Author Topic: New 18V Battery Pack: HighPower Akkupack (Battery Pack) BP 18 Li 4,0 HPC-ASI  (Read 837 times)

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Offline six-point socket II

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Hi!

Hope it hasn't been posted before.


English: https://www.festool.com/accessory/205034---bp-18-li-4,0-hpc-asi

German: https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/205034---bp-18-li-4,0-hpc-asi



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Apparently with 21700 cells.

Kind regards,
Oliver
« Last Edit: November 25, 2019, 02:05 PM by six-point socket II »
Kind regards,
Oliver

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Offline demographic

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Seems that the 4Ah new battery is 20% lighter and holds about 23% less power than the 5.2 Ah battery.
Wow, however did they manage it... erm...hang on a bit.

To be fair, it is a lot more compact but for me a downsize in power terms isn't an upgrade.

Offline six-point socket II

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Depends on your definition of power. ;)

If I'm not misinformed, the 21700 cells can deliver higher current more steadily/for a longer time without overheating/ drop of current, especially the new angle grinders, but also TSC and HKC would benefit from that.

But really all I wanted to do, was to spread the news.  [smile]


Kind regards,
Oliver
« Last Edit: November 25, 2019, 06:41 PM by six-point socket II »
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline FestitaMakool

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And not to forget; they make the tools more compact and lighter.  [big grin]
I’ve done so with Makita, running 2Ah on the brushless tools, some have run times with 2Ah batteries as those with brushed motors and 5Ah batteries.. and, they charge faster. All good [cool]

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Depends on your definition of power. ;)

If I'm not misinformed, the 21700 cells can deliver higher current more steadily/for a longer time without overheating/ drop of current, especially the new angle grinders, but also TSC and HKC would benefit from that.

But really all I wanted to do, was to spread the news.  [smile]


Kind regards,
Oliver

I was going by Amp hours but yeah the saws would benefit from that. Ideally with as many Amp hours though.

I understand that a lot of people like the little batteries but I'm often on site quite a distance away from a charger so for me the ones with greater Amp hours are king.
Those working in a workshop can charge up more often without having to walk a distance to the site cabin

Perhaps if festool would sell 110 volt chargers in the UK i would have better choice of power to charge up on (most UK power is 240 volts but most building sites are 110 volts so the chargers Festool sells don't work on the site voltage and I have to charge up at the site cabin.

I could likely get a US spec charger but just not done it yet

Offline yetihunter

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NIIIICE.  Been running Bosch and Metabo 21700 battery packs; and, those two brands ain't got too much on Festool's cordless lineup; believe it or not.    I'm praying that a torque upgrade to the T/C 18 drills will eventually follow suit.

Offline SRSemenza

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It packs a lot of power in the compact size battery. So it  is  an upgrade to the compact size.  Which are currently 3.0ah. It wasn't really that long ago that the compact was 1.5ah.

Seth

Offline six-point socket II

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Maybe we'll see 21700 cells in the larger battery packs as well. Who knows? :)

It's a logical step if they can make it work, size wise. But what do I know ...

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

NIIIICE.  Been running Bosch and Metabo 21700 battery packs; and, those two brands ain't got too much on Festool's cordless lineup; believe it or not.    I'm praying that a torque upgrade to the T/C 18 drills will eventually follow suit.

Not very likely to see a torque upgrade since Festool has said that they are torque limited for wrist strain / ergonomic reasons.
The C18 is limited to 27/45Nm and the T18 is rated at a slightly higher 32/50Nm.

If they cripple the machine with RFC (reaction force control) they will be able to up them numbers but I personally prefer a drill that doesn't stop all the time. Bosch as well as Hikoki has RFC and I admit it works well for some applications but it is also a nuisance at times...

The DRC 18/4 is your best bet with 60NM torque. It comes with the extra handle so is "torque approved" but I almost never use the handle though it is nice for larger hole saws. I still have my DRC and it is plenty strong but I find the third gear a bit weak though useful for drilling. Grip is good and the LED is the best of the Festool drills and you can leave it on.

I use it with 3.1Ah batteries. Not too interested in the 4Ah batt's myself but eventually I might snag one or two. Those newer cells are better for sure though I don't really suffer with the 3.1Ah battery since I use them exclusively for the drills.
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Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

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Very interesting. Learn something new every day.
Depends on your definition of power. ;)

If I'm not misinformed, the 21700 cells can deliver higher current more steadily/for a longer time without overheating/ drop of current, especially the new angle grinders, but also TSC and HKC would benefit from that.

But really all I wanted to do, was to spread the news.  [smile]


Kind regards,
Oliver

I was going by Amp hours but yeah the saws would benefit from that. Ideally with as many Amp hours though.

I understand that a lot of people like the little batteries but I'm often on site quite a distance away from a charger so for me the ones with greater Amp hours are king.
Those working in a workshop can charge up more often without having to walk a distance to the site cabin

Perhaps if festool would sell 110 volt chargers in the UK i would have better choice of power to charge up on (most UK power is 240 volts but most building sites are 110 volts so the chargers Festool sells don't work on the site voltage and I have to charge up at the site cabin.

I could likely get a US spec charger but just not done it yet


Very interesting. I never knew they varied the site voltage. Learned something new today.