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Offline Sourwould

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MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« on: November 08, 2019, 03:28 PM »
Bought an MFT/3 yesterday and have a quick question for y'all. Are the stop nuts that go into the t track for the hinge and front supports optional extras? My MFT either did not come with them, or they are very well hidden. Seems like an essential part for repeated set up.

Thanks!

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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 04:23 PM »
Both my MFTs came with the stop nuts already installed in the side tracks.

By the way, I suggest buying the Slop Stop gadget. It's cheap and eliminates the side-to-side slop in the saw rail.
Birdhunter

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 04:28 PM »
Should be a lozenge shaped silver nut in the front and rear channels about 8-10” from the corner of the side opposite the surface label.

Offline Sourwould

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2019, 04:59 PM »
Hm. Mine are mia. Looks like another 45 minute drive to woodcraft.

Offline vkumar

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2019, 06:31 PM »
Both my MFTs came with the stop nuts already installed in the side tracks.

By the way, I suggest buying the Slop Stop gadget. It's cheap and eliminates the side-to-side slop in the saw rail.
What is the Slop Stop gadget?  Details and links appreciated.
Vijay Kumar

Offline neilc

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2019, 07:20 PM »
Vijay -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tune-your-Festool-MFT-rail-with-Slop-Stop/283665937657?hash=item420bceb4f9:g:LnoAAOSwaNBUeiNw

It essentially removes the slop in the rail when it drops on the front peg.

Well worth it in my view -



Offline Sparktrician

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2019, 08:48 AM »
They're called feather keys, P/N 437377.  $4.07 each.  This is from Festool's EKAT.
 
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2019, 10:52 AM »
@Sourwould

They are located in the channel where the MFT hinge slides on the side of the MFT extrusion.
They look like a football. If they are missing,  Id take that MFT back to where you bought it. Since you only bought it a couple of days ago, and NOT second hand.

 Those keys are set by the factory for the alignment of the MFT guide rail. All MFTs should have them installed by the factory whether you bought the basic MFT or the one that comes with the guide rail
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 10:55 AM by jobsworth »

Offline Sourwould

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2019, 02:49 PM »
I don't know if that's really worth doing. Is there something special about the way the factory sets them?

Called Woodcraft, they told me to call Festool (no surprise there). I'm going to call Festool monday and see if they'll send me the stop nuts/feather keys/whatever. I bought the last (maybe only) MFT at Woodcraft, so it isn't like I can just go trade it out for another. I've got the table set up to cut square, I just want to be able to repeat the set up. We'll see. I'm already thinking I should have got the kapex MFT and bought the rail hinge and fence separately.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 03:08 PM by Sourwould »

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2019, 03:08 PM »
I think these stop nuts are critical to the operation on the flip down rail. Thr store where you bought the MFT should make the correction.
Birdhunter

Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2019, 03:30 PM »
I don't know if that's really worth doing. Is there something special about the way the factory sets them?

Called Woodcraft, they told me to call Festool (no surprise there). I'm going to call Festool monday and see if they'll send me the stop nuts/feather keys/whatever. I bought the last (maybe only) MFT at Woodcraft, so it isn't like I can just go trade it out for another. I've got the table set up to cut square, I just want to be able to repeat the set up. We'll see. I'm already thinking I should have got the kapex MFT and bought the rail hinge and fence separately.

That's a crappy answer from Woodcraft.  Extremely poor customer service.

As far as the way the factory sets the feather keys up, mine were out of alignment to begin with, so my first kerf into the top was not square.  After I set the table up for proper squareness, I reset the feather keys to insure repeatable future squareness.  Personally I would not leave them out.  I would contact Festool and they should make it right.

Offline Sourwould

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2019, 04:09 PM »
Yeah, I'm not that disappointed in woodcraft because I didn't expect much.

I figured the stop nuts weren't set by Nasa scientists at the festool factory, I;m sure I can set them better myself. I'd like to get a set of dogs for the holes in the table to set up the fence and rail. I saw a video on youtube (I think made by a member here) demonstrating the set up process with the dogs. Looked pretty fool proof.

Won't be my last kerf line on the table anyway, as I plan on ditching the protractor head for a permanent 90 degree fence.

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2019, 06:32 PM »
I figured the stop nuts weren't set by Nasa scientists at the festool factory, I;m sure I can set them better myself. I'd like to get a set of dogs for the holes in the table to set up the fence and rail. I saw a video on youtube (I think made by a member here) demonstrating the set up process with the dogs. Looked pretty fool proof.

The stock feather key positions are 223mm from the right end of the front extrusion and 189mm from the left end of the rear extrusion.  I've always had to slightly adjust the front feather key when aligning the fence to the hole pattern and the rail to the fence. 
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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2019, 06:45 PM »
I use an extremely simple method of squaring the rail.

I put two dogs along the top of the MFT. I butt a Woodpecker framing square (big and very true) against the two dogs. I set the rail against the framing square. I make any needed adjustments. The only time I have needed to make an adjustment is when a bolt on the rail hinge came loose.

I butt the top edge of the wood against the two dogs, drop the rail, and cut. I always cut a square cut.
Birdhunter

Offline Sourwould

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2019, 06:59 PM »
Thanks for those positions spark.

Birdhunter,

The method I saw used the dogs to set the fence parallel to the rows holes and the rail parallel to the columns of holes. Looked fast. I set mine with a known good regular framing square. Would be nice to quickly have the fence and rail square to each other and square to the table. I'm not sure how well this works when the protractor head is replaced by another fence clamp.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2019, 07:09 PM »
Since you only bought yesterday I hope you havent cut into it yet.

I would take it back to Woodcraft get yer money back, buy it from Beavertools or Anderson ply get another.

You have a 30 day no questions axed return policy on festool tools.

I think it counts as a tool as it has a P/N.

Free shipping on festool products.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 07:15 PM by jobsworth »

Offline tallgrass

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2019, 08:00 PM »
I vote for return and buy from Anderson if you can. Fantastic place with a great staff.

Offline Sourwould

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2019, 08:12 PM »
I've cut into it.

I don't really understand why y'all think I should return it. I'll get the parts from festool or woodcraft.

Woodcraft is the only local store (that I know of) where I could walk in and buy one of these. I didn't want to deal with shipping, waiting, damaged goods, or ups delivering to the wrong house (has been a problem, ups blows). Getting the parts from fedtool or wood craft or even buying them myself doesn't seem like as big a hassle as boxing this thing up, driving 45 minutes to woodcraft, returning, waiting for the refund, buying one online, waiting for it to arrive.

Offline tallgrass

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2019, 08:24 PM »
If there is shipping involved than I think you are right.

Offline jcrowe1950

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2019, 10:48 AM »
If there is shipping involved than I think you are right.
Hey Sourwould,

     As a local Woodcraft employee, I definitely think you should return this to Woodcraft. Especially if you paid $720 for the full MFT 3. The stops are factory set to allow you to set your rail up consistently with the protractor head and attached fence. BTW, for whatever reason, buying the full kit from Festool is the only way to get the supports, protractor head and fence with the various pieces. If we had the same situation at our Woodcraft there would be no questions asked.....a refund, or a return would be immediate and unquestioned, and that is also Festool USA's position. The primary reason to frequent local Festool dealers is the support you get and should expect and the knowledge that the tools and equipment you purchase are new, functional, complete and undamaged. Where are you located?

P.S. - the design of the rail supports is such that once you have a tool on the rail, there is no slop whatsoever. Setup is not difficult, but not intuitively obvious either. You can find several videos on festooltv.com for proper MFT setup.
Festool Specialist at Woodcraft, Chattanooga, TN

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2019, 12:53 PM »
I would politely disagree with the “no slop” comment. Granted, with the saw on the rail, there isn’t a lot of slop. But, on my MFT, there was enough to miss a perfect 90 degree cut. With the SlopStop gadget, I have no slop at all.
Birdhunter

Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2019, 01:41 PM »
I would politely disagree with the “no slop” comment. Granted, with the saw on the rail, there isn’t a lot of slop. But, on my MFT, there was enough to miss a perfect 90 degree cut. With the SlopStop gadget, I have no slop at all.

Yes that has been my experience as well. Slop stop has been a noticeable improvement.

The only way I could set it otherwise is to set the engagement of the tab into the slot to favor one side for registration, but that was starting to wear a grove in the rail slot which I didn't like.


Offline Sourwould

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2019, 01:59 PM »
If there is shipping involved than I think you are right.
Hey Sourwould,

     As a local Woodcraft employee, I definitely think you should return this to Woodcraft. Especially if you paid $720 for the full MFT 3. The stops are factory set to allow you to set your rail up consistently with the protractor head and attached fence. BTW, for whatever reason, buying the full kit from Festool is the only way to get the supports, protractor head and fence with the various pieces. If we had the same situation at our Woodcraft there would be no questions asked.....a refund, or a return would be immediate and unquestioned, and that is also Festool USA's position. The primary reason to frequent local Festool dealers is the support you get and should expect and the knowledge that the tools and equipment you purchase are new, functional, complete and undamaged. Where are you located?

P.S. - the design of the rail supports is such that once you have a tool on the rail, there is no slop whatsoever. Setup is not difficult, but not intuitively obvious either. You can find several videos on festooltv.com for proper MFT setup.

I'm in Durham NC.

I bought the full MFT/3. I've set it up already. Just got to get those stop nuts so I can repeat my set up.

Offline Sourwould

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 12:18 PM »
Loooooooooooool festool says they can't send me the parts directly.

Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 12:45 PM »
Loooooooooooool festool says they can't send me the parts directly.

So Woodcraft can't help you, now Festool can't either ??  I'd check with Festool to see if the 30 day return applies and give it back to Woodcraft.  Even though you have cut into the top, if the 30 day return applies, I'd go that way and repurchase from a reliable supplier.

Offline Sourwould

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Re: MFT/3 Stop Nuts
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 12:48 PM »
I called woodcraft back. The employee I got was on point. He called me back like ten minutes later and said festool was mailing them to the store and I could pick them up or they could mail them to me. Probably just got the wrong dude on the phone last time.