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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2007, 09:27 AM »
Storage of anything that doesn't fit in a Systainer is an issue. Are the extrusions drilled so that I might hang them like the guide rails? If not, would it be possible to drill them in a manner that wouldn't harm them or their functionality?

Mike

        I don't know much about the MFS, but maybe it would be possible to hang them from a clamp or connector that fits into them. Or leave them connected in the rectangle use form and just hang the whole rectangle unit.

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2007, 11:38 PM »

  i don't have a mfs yet but it is on the wish list... having said that, i think the mfs 400 would easily fit in a systainer. If and when i do get an mfs i would keep it low to the ground so if it did fall, it wouldn't fall far, and i don't think i'd drill any   holes in it.dan

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2007, 11:40 PM »
Mike,

There are no hanging holes drilled in the extrusions.  If you have only 4 of them, leave them assembled the way you used them last, hanging on the wall like all those templates the MFS replaced.  They also stack up neatly.

If you insist on drilling hanging holes:  I've got a 200mm profile in front of me.  Looks like you could drill through the area identified as the clamp slot in the first image above.  The worst that could happen if you drilled straight down in the clamp slot is that you could hit the label (not the graduations).  The hole could be as large as 8mm (5/16").

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« Last Edit: July 31, 2007, 11:41 PM by Ned Young »

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2007, 07:59 AM »
Today, Elena and I will be making some faux raised panel doors for the Cabinetmaking DVD. I used the MFS  for this application a year or more ago  (Beth was here) and it worked very well. Actually today, Elena and I will make one of the faux doors and one with standard rail and stile using the new router table built-in to one of my MFT's. Will have that story up by the weekend.

The rounded corner of the faux raised panel doors...


Beth sets MFS frame in place...


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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2007, 08:02 AM »
John-
How do you weigh in as to best config for MFS. Sounds like many consider the 700 plus a pair of 1000 rails the best starter. What's in the demos shop?




And how many rails do we have to buy before we can start pulling in assistants like yours? ;D
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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2007, 10:03 AM »
John-
How do you weigh in as to best config for MFS. Sounds like many consider the 700 plus a pair of 1000 rails the best starter. What's in the demos shop?




And how many rails do we have to buy before we can start pulling in assistants like yours? ;D

You have to buy one each of everything in Festool catalog.

MFS:  one 400 and 0ne 700
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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2007, 10:26 AM »
Good morning Ned,

It sounds as if drilling a hole wouldn't be the best option. Once I make the jump, I suppose I'll figure a way to store them. I always have.

Okay to start off with the MFS 400? or is the best bang for the buck the 700?

Mike

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2007, 10:26 AM »
You have to buy one each of everything in Festool catalog.

MFS:  one 400 and 0ne 700

While you can never have too many "profiles", you can save a bit by buying one of the kits (say, the MFS 400) and the profiles not included in that kit (MFS-VP 700, 492724).

And you'll need some things not in the catalog...

As soon as you have more than 4 MFS profiles, you need to get a set of 4 MFS "joiners" (493235, a spare part, ~25USD).  Two joiners are used to link the profiles end-to-end.  If you have both MFS 400 and MFS 700 sets, you can join the pairs of 400mm profiles to make two 800mm units.  Those in a rectangle with the 700s allow squares over 600mm (~24 inches).

The joiners could also be used for large circles or arcs.  Joining each 700 to a 400 gives you two 1100mm units.  Make a circle cutting jig with these and your 200mm's, and you've got the ability to do a 1m (39 inch) radius.

When you compare the cost of the joiners with the 1m profiles, they seem cheap...but you'll want to get the meter-length profiles anyway.   :)

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2007, 10:33 AM »
Okay to start off with the MFS 400? or is the best bang for the buck the 700?

Morning Mike,

What size templates do you want to start out with?  That determines whether a 400 or a 700 kit would be better.

Please see the second point in the first post.

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2007, 09:03 AM »
Howdy,

Truth be told, I have no idea which templates would be handier for me at this point. I this point I'm only a woodworker wannabe, who does projects around the house. Once caught up (does that ever happen?) I'd love to build a few cabinets and smaller projects (small boxes). I'm assuming that I should start with the small set, which would allow me to experiment at less cost. On the other hand, perhaps that would impose limits too quickly. I have a problem visualizing much of what's been written since I've not physically seen the templates. The dealers I've been to haven't carried them. Thanks for the help.

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2007, 02:55 PM »
  • 1/4 inch square nuts are a good fit in the clamp slots; 1/4 hex nuts will also work.  5/16 nuts will not fit.

Added to the head of this thread.

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2008, 01:35 PM »
Added extrusion dimensions to the Notes at the head of the thread.

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2008, 09:11 AM »
Added link to Brice's thread to the first post here.

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2008, 01:21 PM »
Modified earlier post in this thread.

Quote from: this used to say
4.  In Europe, 200, 400, and 700 rails are sold separately.  We should encourage Festool USA to make them available in NA.

4.  [As of 4/1/2008] Festool USA lists all rails (properly, Extension Profiles) as standard stock items, sold in pairs.

Self-explanatory.

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2008, 10:41 PM »
Modified earlier post in this thread.

Quote from: this used to say
4.  In Europe, 200, 400, and 700 rails are sold separately.  We should encourage Festool USA to make them available in NA.

4.  [As of 4/1/2008] Festool USA lists all rails (properly, Extension Profiles) as standard stock items, sold in pairs.

Self-explanatory.

Good.  But they were available that way earlier.  After reading Brice B's tutorial and Jerry Work's MFS manual I "vowed" I would not buy an MFS until the extra V-nuts and pairs of MFS extrusions were available separately.  I ordered the special nuts first, and after they came ordered the MFS 400 and a pair of 700 mm extrusions from Bob. M. and they were quickly delivered, as usual.

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« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2008, 08:41 PM »
Okay, I raised this issue once before, but back then I didn't have the MFS. Finally bought the MFS 400, and intend to add the 700 and 1000 profiles soon. I still haven't figure a way to store them securely and nicely. Since the original thread, has anyone come up with something innovative? I can see that if you're not careful, you could rub the markings right off with them kicking around and being vibrated in the truck.

Looking for ideas............

Mike

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2008, 04:23 PM »
I made a simple storage box with a hinged lid.
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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2008, 02:54 AM »
Since the beginning of thread I got the smaller set and the 1000's. I keep the 1k's in their original cardboard box, and all the other stuff in an Anvil Case briefcase I had. I'm thinking pretty soon I'll be getting a pelican rifle case for the 1k's and the Kapex fence extrusions, maybe the CMS fence if I can fit it in.
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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2008, 09:47 AM »
Eli,

That's an excellent thought. With no shop, everything needs to be portable and storable (is that even a word?). I've been pondering the fences for both my 1080 and now my MFT/3, but never even thought of them in the same vein as the MFS. I suspect that if I already had the 1k, I'd have thought differently.  I'll have to do some measuring and find a good dealer. Thanks for the heads up.

Mike

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2008, 05:21 PM »
My shop is very small, and everything has to go to site. I use a few anvil cases and a large rolling pelican already. I might have stayed in cardboard with everything, but I had some cases already.
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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2008, 06:31 PM »


Mine get hung up as they stay in the shop,

but if I were to travel with them,  I'd be looking at something like these.

http://www.fishingwadersocks.com/gun-socks.htm

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2008, 11:05 PM »
My shop is very small, and everything has to go to site. I use a few anvil cases and a large rolling pelican already. I might have stayed in cardboard with everything, but I had some cases already.

I'm guessing that you picked up your knowledge of these things in your business? I hadn't been exposed to them except for the small Pelican cases I see at REI. Pretty cool stuff. I find myself in the weird position of living in two different homes right now, and they're 500 miles apart. Everytime I need something, it's at the other place. I don't know if we're going to be to figure this life out or not, but it is what it is for now.


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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2008, 05:41 AM »
My shop is very small, and everything has to go to site. I use a few anvil cases and a large rolling pelican already. I might have stayed in cardboard with everything, but I had some cases already.

I'm guessing that you picked up your knowledge of these things in your business?

True. Very common to pack small expensive lights, cameras, etc. in them. Mine don't have foam but you can get it for any of them. The Anvil cases I've had for years, cheap at Showbiz Expo Convention special pricing. The Pelicans I have are 1650's I think? Large rolling cases. The CMS accessories, table inserts, hoses, extension tables all go in one, I haven't pirated the other one yet for Festool but I probably will soon.

I used to get mine from  http://www.cases4less.com/  , but there are many sites and they might not have the best prices anymore. I think Anvil is out of business, but That place TCH we've been talking to has all the bits to make custom cases. I guess I've got to find an Australian distributor that doesn't want my firstborn in terms of price, unless I can get someone in the states to send them like russian nesting dolls!
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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2008, 11:58 AM »
Eli,

Thanks for the link. I checked them out. They're in El Cajon which isn't too far from Oceanside. I'll check them out when we're there next.

Thanks.

Mike

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2019, 09:12 PM »
Resurrecting this thread to add some photos snagged from the Geat website:

Some nifty clamping elements which were available as accessories:









Modern equivalents could be milled out of aluminium or stainless with the appropriate Acme threaded hole or threaded stainless steel insert for this Bessey spare part:

308886-4

Using a pivot point (I'm guessing something like a hex bolt, fender washer and star knob) installed in a t-slot in conjunction with the router slide, one can easily mill teardrop shapes:

308888-5

Using two fixed points and the router slide, one can easily mill triangular shapes.



Another simple pivot point fixture for circle milling:





A simple fixture for drilling evenly spaced holes (in conjunction, I would assume, with an inverted drill bit or steel dowl/pin for marching the drill along):



What I'm guessing are steel strengthening plates intended for use with the aforementioned clamping elements for positioning the MFS atop of a narrow piece of material (parts of the plates are visible to the discerning eye in the second photo (the reason for the area circled in red):





Plastic end caps for protecting the cut ends of the MFS profiles (one is installed in the above photo):



A router table insert (which built upon the concept that one could use the MFS as a mobile worktop and clamping surface, etc.):





And, finally, an ingenious fixture for milling ellipses:





For posterity....
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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2019, 09:44 PM »
It's a darn shame the MFS is NAINA anymore.  Thanks for resurrecting the thread.  I forgot about Jerry Work.  Good stuff!

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2019, 04:21 AM »
The MFS400 looks remarkably like:

https://www.virutex.es/productes/?accio=producte&id=145

The only difference I can see is that the rails do not have scales on them.

Virutex claim to sell in 5 continents, so I guess there is a good chance they sell in the USA.

Incidentally, the MFS is one of my most used tools; I use it on just about every project I do.

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2019, 09:44 AM »
I messaged Virutex sometime ago asking about NA availability and never received a response.  If anyone has any luck please post an update.
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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2019, 10:32 AM »
It's a darn shame the MFS is NAINA anymore.
Today it's not a problem. Woodpeckers Variable Router Jig is even better option.

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Re: MFS: Notes on the MFS
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2019, 10:32 AM »
It's a darn shame the MFS is NAINA anymore. 

The MFS is still available from the UK.  [big grin]