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Offline Matthew Schenker

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MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« on: March 02, 2008, 09:03 AM »
Good Morning,
Following up on the success of the MFT3 discussion, I realized it would be a good idea to post an open-ended thread on each new tool release, where we can collect member opinions, questions, and feedback in one place.  This does not have to be the only place we discuss the tool, but it can help bring our thoughts together.  After the tool is released, these discussions can make future searches on the forum more productive.

This discussion is for the MFK 700 Modular Router.  View Festool's MFK 700 Micro Website.

So, what are your questions, interests, opinions, and suggestions on the MFK 700?

Festool is listening!

Matthew
« Last Edit: March 02, 2008, 06:58 PM by Matthew Schenker »
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Re: MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2008, 10:29 AM »
I'd like to know if there is a way to use the MFK 700 with the guide rail adapter for the OF 1100, or another adapter.

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Re: MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2008, 10:38 AM »
I didn't fully understand a couple of the features mentioned in the micro site.  What is the advantage of the 1.5 degree offset?  Not sure I fully understand what the 'sensor bearing' does.  Looks like a very interesting tool!

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Re: MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2008, 10:49 AM »
It seems that the MFK 700 is a direct descendant of a NAINA router, the OFK 700, which has been around for a while.

I found an interesting thread comparing these two routers on an Australian forum. I couldn't get a link to work, so I just took an excerpt from it:



Spent a bit of time with the OFK today and had a chance to speak with some Festool reps about the differences between the two models.

I will start with a simplified description of the key difference between the two routers, then go onto the minor functional differences. And finally, a simplified selection guide.


Simple explanation of key differences:

The OFK700 comes with a single table that can positioned for horizontal routing, then repositioned for vertical routing - this table is 1.5 degrees. An optional table is available providing for 0 degree horizontal or vertical routing.

The MFK700 comes with two tables, one for horizontal routing, and another for vertical routing. Both tables are 0 degrees. An optional table is available providing for 1.5 degree horizontal routing.

Apart from the minor functional differences (below), the OFK and MFK are generally designed to perform the same functions, but some users will like the single table arrangement of the OFK and some users will prefer the two table arrangement of the MFK. It's nice to have this level of choice but it can be mean you need to spend a little more time making your purchasing decision. And spend a little time thinking over the minor differences mentioned below and which would best suit your needs. So what are these other differences....


More functional differences:

In addition to a bearing guide, the OFK700 also has a 'ski' foot. Useful for particle board which when tracked with a guide bearing directly transfers the particle board imperfections to the trimmed edge. The ski foot smoothes out the imperfections so they are not reproduced on the edge. Particle board edge is an example requiring the ski foot over the bearing guide, but any textured/rippled/dimpled edging is also a time where the ski foot proves useful.

The MFK700 comes with a parallel side fence just like a regular workshop router. This fence can also be used to avoid problems with edge roughness using the bearing, but I am not sure it would be effective like the OFK700's ski foot arrangement on curves. I have not tried this yet. Most importantly, the parallel side fence make this trimmer more of a regular router.


My thoughts which may help making a selection between the OFK700 and the MFK700 a bit easier:

If laminate/edge trimming is the highest priority - it's what you do all the time - the OFK700 is the way to go.

If you do laminate/edge trimming but are also looking for a small easily managed router for round over, chamfering, routing trenches, etc. The MFK700 is probably better suited to your needs.


Other comments:

The MFK700 is not a direct replacement of the OFK700 - so both available.



« Last Edit: March 02, 2008, 11:29 AM by joraft »
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Re: MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2008, 10:52 AM »
Joraft, it is probably just my desktop but I can't access the link you stuck in there. I am getting a "Database Error" Fred
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2008, 10:59 AM »
Joraft, it is probably just my desktop but I can't access the link you stuck in there. I am getting a "Database Error" Fred

It's not you, Fred, I had the same problem. That forum may just block linking. I took out the link and placed an excerpt of what I thought was most relevant to us.

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2008, 11:02 AM »
John, Thank you very much. That was very helpful. Fred P.S. I am probably hiding it but I have a bit of a hankering for the MFK 700.  ;D :D ;)
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2008, 11:28 AM »
I didn't fully understand a couple of the features mentioned in the micro site.  What is the advantage of the 1.5 degree offset?  Not sure I fully understand what the 'sensor bearing' does.  Looks like a very interesting tool!

Jesse, the sensor bearing keeps the router from plunging into the work piece.  Check out the attachment.  Pictures speak a thousand words.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2008, 11:45 AM »
What is the advantage of the 1.5 degree offset?  Not sure I fully understand what the 'sensor bearing' does.


The 1.5 deg. inclination of the table would make it less likely to damage the surface of the material while edge trimming.

The sensor bearing will follow the edge of the material or a template attached to it.


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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2008, 01:23 PM »
Timmy C & John, thank you as with Jesse I too was unsure as to the benefit of the 1.5 degree but now am enlightened. Timmy you are quite obviously a talented artist and belong somewhere say with John Madden.  ;) :D ::) :o Fred
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2008, 01:33 PM »
Timmy C & John, thank you as with Jesse I too was unsure as to the benefit of the 1.5 degree but now am enlightened. Timmy you are quite obviously a talented artist and belong somewhere say with John Madden.  ;) :D ::) :o Fred

LOL....I thought the very thing....."then the bearing butts up against the wood over here....the 1.5 offset fits on top over here...and boom, your ripping off edging in no time.  I love those little guys that pack a punch....."  (Doing my best rendition of John Madden)

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2008, 02:44 PM »
I'd like to know if there is a way to use the MFK 700 with the guide rail adapter for the OF 1100, or another adapter.


The answer is no.  The spacing for the rods on the MFK are different.

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2008, 02:46 PM »
I didn't fully understand a couple of the features mentioned in the micro site.  What is the advantage of the 1.5 degree offset?  Not sure I fully understand what the 'sensor bearing' does.  Looks like a very interesting tool!

Jesse, the sensor bearing keeps the router from plunging into the work piece.  Check out the attachment.  Pictures speak a thousand words.

Another important thing to regarding the sensor bearing... By removing it from the bit itself, you increase the life of the bearing because it is not spinning at 20K rpm.

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2008, 03:31 PM »
Timmy, EXCELLENT rendition of Mssr. Madden.  :D I am thinking football meets Festool meets televison for you.  ::) ;) Fred
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Re: MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2008, 05:13 PM »
What will the pricing be on the MFK 700 with both bases?

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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2008, 06:35 PM »
Jim,

Do you mean all three bases?

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2008, 07:16 PM »
Dan, what is the third base? I am only seeing the 0 and 1.5 degree bases. Are you speaking about the parallel edge guide? Fred
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2008, 07:45 PM »
Dan, what is the third base? I am only seeing the 0 and 1.5 degree bases. Are you speaking about the parallel edge guide? Fred


Fred, the MFK 700 set (574 288) comes with the 0 deg. vertical base and the 1.5 deg. horizontal base. The third base is a 0 deg. horizontal base, and is an option. The parallel edge guide is also an option.

Hopefully they all fit in one systainer.


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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2008, 07:51 PM »
Here are the two included bases side-by-side if it helps.  As John said, there is a third base that is sold as an option which is the zero degree horizontal.  The 1.5 degree is designed to protect the surface of the workpiece.

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2008, 07:53 PM »
Dan, what is the third base? I am only seeing the 0 and 1.5 degree bases. Are you speaking about the parallel edge guide? Fred


Fred, the MFK 700 set (574 288) comes with the 0 deg. vertical base and the 1.5 deg. horizontal base. The third base is a 0 deg. horizontal base, and is an option. The parallel edge guide is also an option.

Hopefully they all fit in one systainer.


John

The Festool #495165 is the third base set....If I read it right  :).  T he Set (495165) is $145.00.  That would make the full-meal-deal; MFK 700 Set (574288) $510.00, add the additional base set (495165) $145.00, and the edge guide (495182) $46.50.  The MFK 700 Full Meal Deal Is A Steal at $701.50  Details on these items are still coming out.  I think we will see more definitive answers over the next several days.  I already have a page or so myself.


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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2008, 08:08 PM »
Thank you all for making me see past my nose at the whole vertical and horizontal situation. ;D  ;) Now as to $701 being a steal well then Timmy I have a deal for you. I will buy you at Full Meal deal at the Fast Food joint of your liking and you can send me the MFK 700 Full Meal Deal as EQUAL compensation.  ;) :D ;D ::) 8) Fred PS How can you pass on this? ;D
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2008, 08:12 PM »
Thank you all for making me see past my nose at the whole vertical and horizontal situation. ;D  ;) Now as to $701 being a steal well then Timmy I have a deal for you. I will buy you at Full Meal deal at the Fast Food joint of your liking and you can send me the MFK 700 Full Meal Deal as EQUAL compensation.  ;) :D ;D ::) 8) Fred PS How can you pass on this? ;D

Golden Arches vs. Green Letters Hmmm???  Let me think about that one Fred  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2008, 08:16 PM »
Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, what is there to think of? You get GOLDEN Arches I only get Moldy Green Letters.  ;D :D ;) :o ::) Should I start looking closely at my deliveries in May?  :D Fred
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2008, 08:37 PM »
Just don't accept the green fries at the drive through window :P :D
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2008, 08:46 PM »
The MFK 700 Full Meal Deal Is A Steal at $701.50 ...


Timmy


Oh geez, my wife is gonna love to hear about why I need this one.

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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2008, 08:50 PM »
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The Festool #495165 is the third base set....If I read it right  :).  T he Set (495165) is $145.00.  That would make the full-meal-deal; MFK 700 Set (574288) $510.00, add the additional base set (495165) $145.00, and the edge guide (495182) $46.50.  The MFK 700 Full Meal Deal Is A Steal at $701.50 
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Timmy
Timmy,

Awesome router?  Uhmmm... Check!  Incredible flexibility?  Uhmmm... Check!  Extremely high quality?  Uhmmm... Check!  "Steal?"  Whoa!

Duuuuude...  "Steal???"  Timmy, you been sniffin' the CT22 exhaust again?!?  Uh huh... I knew it!!!  ;D

I'm going to buy that router.  I'd call it a good long term investment that will save me time and give me better quality with less work than I could otherwise.   However, "steal"...  Nah. 8)

Regards,

Dan.

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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2008, 08:51 PM »
The MFK 700 Full Meal Deal Is A Steal at $701.50 ...


Timmy


Oh geez, my wife is gonna love to hear about why I need this one.

John

Just tell her it is "Modular".  Dude, that word just sounds highly specialized.  Hence, worth every penny.  Then take her to the Golden Arches for dinner.....She let's you have the Festool Full Meal Deal, and buy her her own Full Meal Deal.  I would suggest something a little more fancy....Like............................... Applebee's... ;D ;)   

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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2008, 08:59 PM »
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The Festool #495165 is the third base set....If I read it right  :).  T he Set (495165) is $145.00.  That would make the full-meal-deal; MFK 700 Set (574288) $510.00, add the additional base set (495165) $145.00, and the edge guide (495182) $46.50.  The MFK 700 Full Meal Deal Is A Steal at $701.50 
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Timmy
Timmy,

Awesome router?  Uhmmm... Check!  Incredible flexibility?  Uhmmm... Check!  Extremely high quality?  Uhmmm... Check!  "Steal?"  Whoa!

Duuuuude...  "Steal???"  Timmy, you been sniffin' the CT22 exhaust again?!?  Uh huh... I knew it!!!  ;D

I'm going to buy that router.  I'd call it a good long term investment that will save me time and give me better quality with less work than I could otherwise.   However, "steal"...  Nah. 8)

Regards,

Dan.

Pehaps I should put "Squeal" intsted of "Steal"  I just couldn't find the appropriate rhyme fast enough.  My rapping days are long gone dude!  I agree that the router is an awesome investment.

Thanks for checking me up on that one Dan,

Cheers,

Timmy

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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2008, 09:33 PM »
"Squeal"???   Yep, that works for me!  ;D

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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2008, 09:54 PM »
This makes the 1010 look practically free @ $330.