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Offline Scrit

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« Reply #120 on: April 24, 2008, 05:03 AM »
The MFK 700 main purpose is as a trim router for laminate counter top, however there seems to be no provision to trim the backspash to the wall such as the Porter Cable trim router kit with its offset base. Will Festool come out with an offset base?
Possibly not. There are currently no European routers offered with such an attachment, the Porter-Cable isn't offered here, the deWalt offset base isn't offered and Bosch don't offer it on either the older trimmer or the European version of the Colt. The use of laminate trimmers here is often confined to trimming the applied ends of post-formed laminate work tops (few here would ever consider making a top on site). Laminate upstands (backsplashes) are a relatively new introduction and the manufacturers tend to urge installers like me to install square the walls up by using battening, construction adhesive, etc which avoids the issue of scribing entirely

My last countertop install saw the walls close to an inch out of square over about six feet.
My last one was 3in out over 10 feet. We just built-out the wall with battens and sealed the edges of the upstands with coloured silicone.

Scrit

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Re: MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« Reply #121 on: April 24, 2008, 01:56 PM »
Built out the wall, 3 inches?

I need to see that, doesn't sound to nice to look at. Sounds like a shelf or huge lip. Am I missing something?

Did you build out the wall the entire height of the wall?

Do you have a picture of the finished results?

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« Last Edit: April 24, 2008, 01:57 PM by nickao »
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« Reply #122 on: April 24, 2008, 04:25 PM »
Built out the wall, 3 inches?
I meant "out" as in out of alignment. The plasterer had finished the wall so that when a 3 metre (10ft) worktop (counter top) was positioned on the units it touched at each end but in the middle there was a three inch gap between the wall and the back edge of the worktop. As there is only about 3/8 to 1/2in to spare in the width of the worktop I packed-out the middle of the wall with battening before applying the laminate upstand. This is a fairly common problem with wet plastered masonry walls, althopugh rarely as bad as this on a new house (and it was brand spanking new)

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Re: MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« Reply #123 on: April 24, 2008, 05:42 PM »
I seen someone have to do that to his baseboards after a remodel. He filled in the middle with drywall mud and tapered it into the wall to hide the gap he seen after placing the baseboard against the wall.

p.s. he didn't do the remodel, he just had to fix some of the mistakes left behind.
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Offline Jerry Work

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« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2008, 02:32 PM »
Hi all,

I just posted a tutorial on my web site jerrywork.com > tutorials that describes how to build a guide rail sled or stop for the MFK700 router and how to mount it to the side of either the MFT or the MFT3 tables for use as a horizontal router.  I think you might enjoy the read.

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« Reply #125 on: April 28, 2008, 08:25 PM »
Hi all,

I just updated the tutorial on my web site that describes how to mount the MFK700 to the side of either the MFT or the MFT3 and how to build a guide rail sled to use that router with a guide rail.  What I added was information on how to make a micro-adjuster from the Fine Adjustment piece from the 1010 router (488-754).  With this adjuster in place the height the bit tip sticks up above the surface of the table can be easily set in 0.05mm increments (about .002").  No modifications are required to the table, the router or to the Fine Adjustment piece.  The downloadable .pdf is located at:

http://jerrywork.com > tutorials

Hope it is helpful.

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Offline neilc

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« Reply #126 on: April 30, 2008, 01:22 AM »
Jerry -

In reviewing the specifications and your earlier comments, looks like there is only 20mm or 9/16" vertical bit (depth of cut) adjustment.  This would seem to be a limitation for any kind of dado or rabbeting cuts with most bits.  With a Porter Cable laminate trimmer, I believe I have over an inch of adjustment. 

I certainly can see the edge routing and trimming.  But it sounds like this unit has become a "go-to" tool for you.

Can you or anyone else elaborate on the vertical bit adjustment and whether you have found this to be a limitation when routing grooves or rabbets? 

Neil
« Last Edit: April 30, 2008, 01:38 AM by Neil Clemmons »

Offline greg mann

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« Reply #127 on: April 30, 2008, 10:11 AM »
Neil,

20mm is a little over 3/4 inch, which is a lot more than 9/16. Also, it appears to me that the 20mm length limitation only comes into play on the horizontal base. That is to say that when the horizontal base is used, more than 20mm extension will cause the bit to interfere with the base. I do not really see any situations where this would be a limitation. In the vertical base orientation you still only have 20mm adjustment but that does not stop you from extending the bit a little more from the collet, thereby pre-adjusting the bit before using your 20mm adjustment window to tune in your exact length, which could be more than 20mm if needed. These observations are my recollections from a 5 minute examination of the tool at the dealer. I could be all wet but I don't think I am.
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Offline Jerry Work

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« Reply #128 on: April 30, 2008, 10:52 AM »
Greg is correct.  The amount of bit travel you have with the fine adjuster is around 20mm or 3/4".  That is more than enough for most grooving operations and nearly all sliding DT operations but it is certainly not an all around router.  There are many times you will want greater bit tip movement range and that is where the plunge routers come in. The 1010, 1400 and 2200 area all plunge routers.  For all fixed base router use all that matters is how close the bit tip is to the base of the router when first mounted with the adjustment all the way "up" and the bit shank is at manufacturers recommended depth into the collet, and then how far the bit tip extends below the base of the router with the adjustment all the way "down".

The 700 is very useful for the way I work building fine furniture as many of my router operations are for grooving, edge profiling (ie: chamfering and such), inlay work and cutting male SDs.  All of those things take place inside a range of bit tip movement of 10mm given my standards.  Hence, the 700 now comes into my hands often.  The other six routers in my studio (1000, 1010, 1400, 2200 an old Bosch beater and a PC under a table) still get plenty of use, too, but the 700 I prefer where it is appropriate because of the light weight. 

I still use the table mounted router a lot for all kinds of things where the work piece is small enough to move safely across the top of the router table.  I grab the 1000 or 1010 for shelf hole work and routing dovetailed boxes and drawers on jigs for which I do not have guide bushings that fit the 700 (like the VS600) or where the jig holds the router so far off of the work piece that the bit mounted into the 700 won't reach proper depth.  I am doing tests with a number of different jigs now and will post results when I get time between customer projects.

The 1400 is faster than the 700 if I have really long straight routs to make in really dense woods or when using the saddle jig (now called something like acrylic router fixture) or for fitting onto a large router trammel.  The 1400 or the 2200 get the nod for long or large bits like cutting the edges, creating the tension rod pockets and recessing the electrical popups on that large conference table shown in the tutorial section of my web site.

Bottom line for me is there is no one "ideal" router for all seasons.  The closest is the 1400, but I prefer the smaller, lighter 700, 1000 and 1010 when they will do the job.  Hope this helps.

Jerry
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Offline neilc

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« Reply #129 on: April 30, 2008, 08:13 PM »
Jerry & Greg -

Thank you both for the clarification.  The router specs on the microsite say 9/16" is the "column stroke" while Jerry said 20mm was the depth adjustment.  Thanks for making it clear that 20mm is the real vertical bit adjustment. 

Shane - you might verify what the "column stroke" refers to because I had assumed depth adjustment.  It may be the wrong number or I may just be misinterpreting what it means.

Neil

Offline greg mann

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« Reply #130 on: May 04, 2008, 10:31 AM »
I got a chance to play around with my new MFK700 yesterday and I have decided that I am really going to like this router. Regarding the length of cut issue; I set up one of Festool's inserted bit tools (#491081 16mm dia and about 25mm long)using Jerry's horizontal set-up on the MFT3 (Did I mention getting the MFT3 too?  ;D).

At any rate, I positioned the router to make a 3/16 rabbet at maximum depth possible without the bit end touching the rail. I am recounting this from a remote location so I can't tell you how long that was but I believe it was at least 3/4". The router made this cut without any hesitation and the dust collection was excellent, even without blocking off the top of the rail. This tool has a lot of power and a very rigid spindle.  I think it is safe to say that good work can be done with an inch or more extension from the base. I think it is really easy to overlook the 8mm collet capacity. This alone separates the MFK700 from all the other trim routers. Add in the ability to change bases, dust control, easy bit changes, use as a horizontal router, and you have a great small router system. FWIW, I also think it would be very easy to adapt this router to a plunge base. It may just be a matter of time before Richard at Micro-Fence builds a MFK specific base.

 As an aside, to mount to the MFT I used a 5/16" toilet bowl with a nut and washer on the outside. The washer is important because there is a hex head impression recessed in the base that should be covered by the washer so that it is not damaged when tightening the nut. Festool's intentions for this hole are as yet unknown but I would strongly recommend not damaging this seat area.
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« Reply #131 on: May 04, 2008, 10:24 PM »
Thanks for the update on depth of cut Greg.

Neil

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Re: MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« Reply #132 on: May 05, 2008, 06:00 AM »
3 questions: 1) I do a fair amount of hot-melt edge banding on melamine panels and hate manual trimming. Would the MFK700 with the 1.5 deg. base work well to do the trimming? 2) Which bit would you use? 3) In a totally different field, for what kind of operations would the 0 deg. horizontal base be well suited?
Lou

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« Reply #133 on: May 05, 2008, 02:41 PM »

I think it is really easy to overlook the 8mm collet capacity. This alone separates the MFK700 from all the other trim routers. Add in the ability to change bases, dust control, easy bit changes, use as a horizontal router, and you have a great small router system. FWIW, I also think it would be very easy to adapt this router to a plunge base. It may just be a matter of time before Richard at Micro-Fence builds a MFK specific base.


Great point! At 8mm this trim router is in a class by itself in NA.

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Re: MFK 700 Modular Router: Member Feedback
« Reply #134 on: May 05, 2008, 05:31 PM »
3 questions: 1) I do a fair amount of hot-melt edge banding on melamine panels and hate manual trimming. Would the MFK700 with the 1.5 deg. base work well to do the trimming? 2) Which bit would you use? 3) In a totally different field, for what kind of operations would the 0 deg. horizontal base be well suited?

 
  Lat, trimming edge banding is the perfect application for the MFK 700, almost any straight bit will work, so will Festool's Chamfer/edge trimming bit. The 0 degree base could be used to rout the male portion of sliding dovetail joints.
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Offline lat

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« Reply #135 on: May 05, 2008, 11:13 PM »
Thanks, Brice, you helped me make a decision, MFK700 on order.

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« Reply #136 on: May 06, 2008, 03:01 PM »
Thanks, Brice, you helped me make a decision, MFK700 on order.

Louis

Me too, should get it to tomorrow. I've got a job next week that it is perfect for, a ton a edge banding to trim.

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« Reply #137 on: May 07, 2008, 07:55 PM »
Me too, should get it to tomorrow. I've got a job next week that it is perfect for, a ton a edge banding to trim.

Well the MFK made its way to my door steep today, I'll be giving it one of the professional money making test in the morning, I'll report back.
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Offline neilc

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« Reply #138 on: May 07, 2008, 11:28 PM »
I also received mine and put it to work tonight.  It's a really excellent router.  Love the variable speed and handling.   I did determine that the adjustability of the bit height is 9/16" as the spec sheet said, not the 24MM that Jerry and Greg had suggested.  That's with the vertical base using the adjustment green adjustment screw.

Neil

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« Reply #139 on: May 08, 2008, 09:23 AM »
Not to nitpick, Neil, but I never stated a figure for adjustment. Someone mentioned a 20mm limitation on bit extension and I pointed out that this was only true for the horizontal base. I also pointed out that in the vertical base it was possible to use a bit with 25mm length beyond the base without complaint from the router. My point was this is territory a typical trim router can't handle well. I don't think I commented on finite adjustment other than to imply that coarse adjustment by how the bit was inserted in the collet was possible to increase the range of extension well beyond any 20mm (or 9/16 inch, for that matter) limitation. You are probably very correct that fine adjustment is in the rage of 9/16, or 15mm, but I don't see this as a problem. One thing is certainly true. The ease of adjustment on this tool blows away most trim router designs. 
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« Reply #140 on: May 08, 2008, 10:09 AM »
Thanks for the clarification. 

It's a very interesting tool and has enough adjustment to do a lot more than edge trimming.  It does that and other routing with amazing control and accuracy.

Last night I was routing inlay at 1/32 inch depth with excellent control.  Size, weight, and balance are excellent.

Neil


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« Reply #141 on: May 08, 2008, 10:25 AM »
Neil, I can confirm your measurement of 9/16" of travel, actually, its 15 mm, not the 20 mm Jerry posted.
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« Reply #142 on: May 08, 2008, 11:50 AM »
Brice

Are you planning a detailed review of the MFK 700 on your site? ;)

Edward
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« Reply #143 on: May 08, 2008, 12:00 PM »
Brice

Are you planning a detailed review of the MFK 700 on your site? ;)

Edward


Well, do you think the members here really want to see me do a detailed review?
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« Reply #144 on: May 08, 2008, 12:01 PM »
Any idea why router bits such as the HSS Groove/Slot Cutters (490-941,942,943) are listed in the catalogue as not being compatible with the MFK700?

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« Reply #145 on: May 08, 2008, 12:14 PM »
Brice

Are you planning a detailed review of the MFK 700 on your site? ;)

Edward


Well, do you think the members here really want to see me do a detailed review?

Don't go to all that bother Brice.
Just pack it back in the box and send it around so everyone can try it out for themselves.  ;D

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« Reply #146 on: May 08, 2008, 12:17 PM »
Any idea why router bits such as the HSS Groove/Slot Cutters (490-941,942,943) are listed in the catalogue as not being compatible with the MFK700?

Steve, good question, seems very few bits are "compatible" with the MFK700.


Well, do you think the members here really want to see me do a detailed review?

Don't go to all that bother Brice.
Just pack it back in the box and send it around so everyone can try it out for themselves.  ;D

Well, that would save me a lot of time!  ;)
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« Reply #147 on: May 08, 2008, 12:34 PM »
Brice

Are you planning a detailed review of the MFK 700 on your site? ;)

Edward


Well, do you think the members here really want to see me do a detailed review?

Actually I'd like to know why you bought this router.
 
I seem to remember several weeks ago you did a nice description of the edge following stuff for the 1000/1100 routers and you seemed to suggest that it did such a good job that you didn't see the need for a very expensive trim router.

Subsequently, you went to Los Vegas...

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« Reply #148 on: May 08, 2008, 12:42 PM »
Any idea why router bits such as the HSS Groove/Slot Cutters (490-941,942,943) are listed in the catalogue as not being compatible with the MFK700?

Steve, good question, seems very few bits are "compatible" with the MFK700.



It seems like this router would be a perfect application for the groove cutters.  Anyone from Festool care to clear this up?  Is this just a typo or my ignorance?  ???

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« Reply #149 on: May 08, 2008, 01:19 PM »
Actually I'd like to know why you bought this router.
 
I seem to remember several weeks ago you did a nice description of the edge following stuff for the 1000/1100 routers and you seemed to suggest that it did such a good job that you didn't see the need for a very expensive trim router.

Subsequently, you went to Los Vegas...


  Michael, in Henderson I saw just how easy it is to use the MFK, that is appealing to me for one very big reason. It has to do with the "professional money making test" comment I made yesterday. I got a call over the weekend form the client of about a upcoming job, The job was about 150 linear feet of plywood veneer shelving with edge banding for the show room of a furniture store. That job has grown to over 600 linear feet.

  First thing this morning I tried out the "professional money making test" with the MFK. The test is, can I show the kid on the crew how to use the tool and let him have at, without worrying he'll screw something up!? It worked out, the MFK is so easy to use, with only a few minutes of instruction (and I set the MFK), he is trimming edge banding without worry of cutting into plywood face. Now, I'm able to go make money someplace else (or post on the internet). Thats why I picked up the MFK, its a "professional money maker".
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