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Offline musik7

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Metric tape measure
« on: September 24, 2018, 03:59 PM »
Hello,

I am looking at getting into building European style custom cabinetry, and buying a number of Festool tools to do it with.  An accessory I would really like, is a fully metric tape measure (metric measurements on both sides of the tape, no inches).  I have a FastCap tape with metric on one side and inches on the other, but the drawback here is I can only take a measurement in metric from one side of the tape, which is sometimes pretty inconvenient.

Has anyone else in the US found a good source for fully metric tape measures with a selection of different styles and options?  Stanley's LeverLock (see link below) in Metric would be my preference, but that will obviously be limited to what's available.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-LeverLock-25-ft-x-1-in-Tape-Measure-with-decimal-scale-STHT33281L/204675408

Thanks in advance for the help.

Andrew

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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2018, 04:07 PM »
Isnt the FastCap True32 what you are looking for? (LINK)

Or the FlatBack verison: (LINK)

Or this one: (LINK)
« Last Edit: September 24, 2018, 04:11 PM by ben_r_ »
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Offline musik7

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2018, 04:23 PM »
To be honest, I wasn't impressed with how well the FastCap retracted.  It seemed sluggish at best, and like I constantly need to feed it back in manually at worst.  I was hoping someone would know where I can get a full metric version of a Stanley, if they make them.  If nothing else, one of the FastCap options could work, just not ideal in my opinion.

Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2018, 04:23 PM »
Isnt the FastCap True32 what you are looking for? (LINK)

Or the FlatBack verison: (LINK)

Or this one: (LINK)

The Fastcap True 32 and flat back tapes are excellent.  I had a True 32 that wouldn't lock well enough and would creep as I used it.  I sent an email to Fast Cap customer service and they immediately sent me a replacement tape and told me to keep the poorly locking one.  Great customer service.

Offline MFond

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2018, 04:26 PM »
Witch one would you liked to have (brand etc.)?

I'll see if I find it here in Sweden and then send it to you

/Mattias

Offline glenn storey

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2018, 04:28 PM »
lee valley has metric tapes, although i think they only go up to 5 metres [16 feet]

Offline musik7

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2018, 04:37 PM »
Witch one would you liked to have (brand etc.)?

I'll see if I find it here in Sweden and then send it to you

/Mattias

If I could have anything, I would buy the following tape in metric.  That said, I care more about the functionality than the brand.
 For example, the auto-locking mechanism on this one works well, it retracts well, and the tape itself seems strong, which helps keep it extended unsupported for a further distance.

https://www.stanleytools.com/products/hand-tools/measuring-layout/leverlock-tape-measure/25-ft-leverlock-tape-measure/stht30825

Thanks,

Andrew

Offline musik7

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2018, 04:39 PM »
Isnt the FastCap True32 what you are looking for? (LINK)

Or the FlatBack verison: (LINK)

Or this one: (LINK)

The Fastcap True 32 and flat back tapes are excellent.  I had a True 32 that wouldn't lock well enough and would creep as I used it.  I sent an email to Fast Cap customer service and they immediately sent me a replacement tape and told me to keep the poorly locking one.  Great customer service.

Thanks, good to know.  It's always reassuring when a company goes out of their way to stand behind their products.  I'll keep the FastCap ones in mind, I know I can get them here in the US.

Offline MFond

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2018, 04:45 PM »

Offline MFond

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2018, 04:47 PM »
...oooops...you'll have to copy the whole thing there...my mistake

Offline RKA

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2018, 04:49 PM »
Komelon makes one (you can get it on amazon in at least an 8m variation, probably more but I haven't looked).  I can't tell you how good the standout is since I typically use it for 6 ft errrr...1828.8mm or less.
-Raj

Offline musik7

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2018, 05:12 PM »
http://www.stanleyworks.se/products/sub4/Produkter/HANDVERKTYG/Mätning+/Måttband+

...in Swedish though  [smile]

This one looks promising, I have the matching one in inches.  I'm going to check out another possible source here in the US though, so I'll let you know what I find out.

http://www.stanleyworks.se/products/detail/Produkter/HANDVERKTYG/M%C3%A4tning+/M%C3%A5ttband+/FatMax+M%C3%A5ttband+Autolock

Thanks,

Andrew

Offline topito

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2018, 05:17 PM »
If you can get them over there, Fisco / Hultafors make excellent metric tapes with a great feel to the locking mechanism and clear metric marks both top and bottom.
http://www.fisco.co.uk/tri-lok.html
The TL3M is great when cutting ply as it has very little curve to the tape, making accurate marking easier.
The TL5M is better for general use as it has better stand off. (Still nothing like a fat Stanley tape, but much nicer to use).

Offline hdv

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2018, 05:48 PM »
I agree on the Hultafors Talmeter. I like and use them a lot without any trouble whatsoever.

See http://www.hultafors.com/hand-tools/talmeter/marking-measure-talmeter-2m3m/  for the 2 or 3 meter versions.

Their site says Big Bear Tools ships in the States: http://bigbeartools.com/


Offline rst

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2018, 06:13 PM »
I buy Hultafors tapes from Ebay, and I like Wiha folding rules, I keep their 1 meter in my carpenter pant side pocket along with two Pental mechanical pencils, a pen, and a Milwaukee marker.  Always ready.

Offline waho6o9

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2018, 06:47 PM »


Another vote for Hultafors Talmeter.

6M
« Last Edit: September 24, 2018, 06:50 PM by waho6o9 »

Offline clark_fork

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2018, 07:05 PM »
Isnt the FastCap True32 what you are looking for? (LINK)

Or the FlatBack verison: (LINK)

Or this one: (LINK)

Readability is the key determinant. I have the Hultafors Talmeter 3M but I find I am mostly using Fastcap True 32. It has wider reading surface and easier to read fonts. It has a mostly open middle line where I can mark a dimension tic as I adapt to metric. However, it is clunky and heavy so as a job tape rather than a shop tape, it is not as stream-lined as the lighter more compact Hultafors. I would not like to carry the Fastcap all day on the job site but it is ok for shop use.
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Offline Charles959

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2018, 07:10 PM »
A review of tape measures linked from Tools of the Trade managed to overlook what for some users is the most essential feature, accuracy. One of the commenters helpfully raised the distinction between EC Class I and EC Class II tape measures. There is a useful comparison of allowable error here:

https://www.thetapestore.co.uk/knowledgebase/Articles/The_Advantages_of_a_Class_1_Tape_Measure.html

Hultaforss Fisco makes a variety of EC Class I tape measures.

Offline thudchkr

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2018, 07:26 PM »
I ended up ordering Stanley Fat Max tapes from the UK.  I got both an 8M and a 5M.  I also use the Fastcap True 32 a lot. It has marks on the tape at each increment of 32mm, which can be convenient.
Clint

Offline musik7

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2018, 09:35 AM »
I ended up ordering Stanley Fat Max tapes from the UK.  I got both an 8M and a 5M.  I also use the Fastcap True 32 a lot. It has marks on the tape at each increment of 32mm, which can be convenient.

Thanks for pointing that out, I think I'm going to buy one of the True 32 tapes.  I intend to start building cabinets based on the 32mm system, so an extra mark on the tape at each 32mm interval will be very useful.  Thanks to everyone that commented, a lot of good suggestions.

Online Cheese

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2018, 10:12 AM »
Starrett has a nice selection and they probably have a better handle (a history) on maintaining tape accuracy across different production runs. I have 2 Starrett metal 12" scales. One was produced in the 50's and one was produced in the 80's and they're exactly the same.  [big grin]  Starrett offers imperial only, metric only and also imperial/metric tapes.

http://www.starrett.com/category/jobsite--shop-tools/tape-measures/310101#currentPage=1&displayMode=grid&itemsPerPage=24&sortBy=wp/asc

I recently ordered a few of their tape measures. Highland has them on sale and they're almost free. They're half price. [smile]

https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/starrett-exact-measuring-tape-sp01.aspx

Offline Kodi Crescent

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 11:20 PM »
Another vote for the Talmeter tape.  It's the only tape I've ever owned where the locking mechanism worked long term.  The last time I tried to buy one, they were fairly expensive and hard to find.

Offline gunnyr

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2018, 10:53 PM »
I have carried @fastcap  tapes on the job site for nearly 3 years.  The last as well as any.  Like @clark_fork I like the ability to write on the tape and use it like a story stick.  I have several of the @fastcap tapes, I keep the True32 version on my bench and prefer to use it when working in the shop.  Their Metric/Standard version has both measurements on it, useful when working in both systems for whatever reason.

I have several FastCap items and have experience great customer service from them as well.
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Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2018, 04:48 PM »
I use the 8m metric tape from Lee Valley.
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Offline acer66

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2020, 08:33 AM »
Old thread but I am in the market and I am torn between the true 32 and a starret  KTXP106-5M-N or are there other players to consider in the US?

A bit off topic but I am also looking for a metric only combination square.

Thank you.

Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2020, 10:26 AM »
Old thread but I am in the market and I am torn between the true 32 and a starret  KTXP106-5M-N or are there other players to consider in the US?

A bit off topic but I am also looking for a metric only combination square.

Thank you.
Lee Valley carries the Starrett combo in metric, both 150mm and 300mm sizes. I actually retrofitted my existing Starrett 12" with a 300mm scale from Lee Valley.
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Offline acer66

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2020, 07:43 PM »
Old thread but I am in the market and I am torn between the true 32 and a starret  KTXP106-5M-N or are there other players to consider in the US?

A bit off topic but I am also looking for a metric only combination square.

Thank you.
Lee Valley carries the Starrett combo in metric, both 150mm and 300mm sizes. I actually retrofitted my existing Starrett 12" with a 300mm scale from Lee Valley.

I was hoping for something price wise between hf and starrett but if not I have to be extra nice to my gf so santa might come through. 😉

Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2020, 09:16 AM »
Old thread but I am in the market and I am torn between the true 32 and a starret  KTXP106-5M-N or are there other players to consider in the US?

A bit off topic but I am also looking for a metric only combination square.

Thank you.

Quality is what's most important for this particular kind of tool...you can sharpen and tune a cheap hand plane, but you can't make a measuring tool more accurate if the scale is off or a square isn't square...
Lee Valley carries the Starrett combo in metric, both 150mm and 300mm sizes. I actually retrofitted my existing Starrett 12" with a 300mm scale from Lee Valley.

I was hoping for something price wise between hf and starrett but if not I have to be extra nice to my gf so santa might come through. 😉
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Offline acer66

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2020, 08:05 AM »
But I can appreciate a well made tool and will see if I can wing a starrett.
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Online Cheese

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2020, 11:36 AM »
Starrett makes blades for their combination squares in 150, 300 & 600 mm lengths. Those blades are available in metric only or metric + inch graduations.

For inch only graduations Starrett also makes blades in 36" & 48" lengths. ALL of these various size/type blades will fit the Starrett 12" combination square.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 11:40 AM by Cheese »

Online DeformedTree

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2020, 01:39 PM »
Something that gets missed in the support for the Talmeter tape is the pain/injury factor.   It's built in scribes mean it has sharp points that dig into you.  It's also a bit tricky to pull the tape out without getting stabbed.  It could be an ok tape, but these issues cause it to be only used when I don't have others handy.

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Offline cfcsdavid

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2020, 03:08 PM »
Stabila makes metric tapes that are very nice

Offline Coen

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2020, 09:06 AM »
I ended up ordering Stanley Fat Max tapes from the UK.  I got both an 8M and a 5M.  I also use the Fastcap True 32 a lot. It has marks on the tape at each increment of 32mm, which can be convenient.

And then they still manage to have the length of the housing only in imperial  ::)

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2020, 10:37 AM »
I ended up ordering Stanley Fat Max tapes from the UK.  I got both an 8M and a 5M.  I also use the Fastcap True 32 a lot. It has marks on the tape at each increment of 32mm, which can be convenient.

And then they still manage to have the length of the housing only in imperial  ::)

So are the Milwaukee 5M as well:
Casing is 8,3cm, that’s not even quite 3 1/4 inch - nice round up🙄
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2020, 10:43 AM »
I like the fast cap tapes. The flat tape makes it very easy to measure flat surfaces especially cabinet widths and lengths. Plus it has marks for 32mm. So cutting sides for the 32mm system is a breeze. Their regular tapes are good to. The ones I get are both metric and imperial

As a bonus they have a pencil sharpener built into the tapes body which we all know no matter what when its time to measure and put yer cut marks on your work piece yer pencil always needs sharpening [big grin] [dead horse] [thumbs up]

Offline mkasdin

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2020, 11:44 AM »
Which fastcap tape do you use, they have about a dozen different tag names ?

Offline Coen

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2020, 03:17 AM »
I ended up ordering Stanley Fat Max tapes from the UK.  I got both an 8M and a 5M.  I also use the Fastcap True 32 a lot. It has marks on the tape at each increment of 32mm, which can be convenient.

And then they still manage to have the length of the housing only in imperial  ::)

So are the Milwaukee 5M as well:
Casing is 8,3cm, that’s not even quite 3 1/4 inch - nice round up🙄

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Offline Roachmill

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2020, 05:08 AM »
I just took delivery of a Hultafors / Fiscars "BT5M" metric tape and I think this may be The Tape for me. At least for trim type work:

  • Class 1 accuracy
  • Quick and easy detachable belt clip
  • Curser for reading measurement from
  • 100mm from the back of the tape to the curser
  • Easy to read all metric markings
  • Good positive lock and release via a big-ole-button up top

They do imperial and mixed variants too as well as an 8m version.


More pics here

Only 2 niggles for me are:
  • the tape is 19mm wide (wider would be nicer)
  • the 100m back to curser measurement utilises a flip down bit at the back (only on the smaller 5m tape)... and I know I'll forget to flip it down at some point [big grin]



Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2020, 09:27 AM »
I just took delivery of a Hultafors / Fiscars "BT5M" metric tape and I think this may be The Tape for me. At least for trim type work:


Looks like a nice product. Unfortunately, there's not much action on that brand here in North America based on a quick peek via Google.
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Online Cheese

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2020, 11:31 AM »
My favorite metric tape is an older Starrett electronic tape measure that you can switch between metric & imperial. At the push of a mode button you can continually scroll between measurement methods.




Front measuring inch mode in fractions




Front measuring tenths of an inch mode




Front measuring hundredths of a foot mode




Front measuring centimeters  mode




Here in the rear measuring mode it's already added in the 3 1/2" width/depth of the tape measure case.




And if there is any time where you are not physically able to read the display you push the red button and it locks in the measurement you just made.

Offline rst

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2020, 04:50 PM »
I have that same Hultafors / Fiscars "BT5M" Roachmill, been using it for some years, great tape for metric work.

Offline wpz

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2020, 07:14 PM »
I just took delivery of a Hultafors / Fiscars "BT5M" metric tape and I think this may be The Tape for me. At least for trim type work:


Looks like a nice product. Unfortunately, there's not much action on that brand here in North America based on a quick peek via Google.

SOLA also sells them: https://www.sola.at/en/products/big-t-me-p202245

so does FISCO: http://www.fisco.co.uk/bigt.html
or https://www.needthattool.com/bigtmeasuringtapes.aspx
or https://www.onepointsurvey.com/products/fisco-big-t-tape-measure

and at some point in the past JOHNSON LEVEL sold them as well: https://toolguyd.com/big-johnson-power-tape-measure/


just google big T tape measure.

I have the 5m SOLA version.
wpz
« Last Edit: November 04, 2020, 07:16 PM by wpz »

Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2020, 09:58 AM »
Thanks. The "big T tape measure" does bring up results, but they tend to have $24 for the tool and $24 for shipping offers. :) I'll stick with my Veritas for now. LOL I don't use the tape much in the shop other than for things longer than about 1000mm. I have steel rules for that and shorter.
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Offline derekcohen

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2020, 09:21 AM »
Festool/BMI make a small tape measure which is very nice for furniture makers.



My other go-to tape measure is this Starrett ...



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Offline jobsworth

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2020, 09:28 AM »
@mkasdin

Which fastcap tape do you use, they have about a dozen different tag names ?

Sorry just saw this
 I use a couple of them,
First what do I like about them is they accurate have tic marks at 32mm which helps me use the LR32 system. Plus the built in pencil sharpener comes in very handy, more than you think it will.

True 32 is one of them
« Last Edit: November 06, 2020, 11:08 PM by jobsworth »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2020, 12:46 PM »


I’d like to find one of those flat stiff rules in the top of the pic. What does BMI call it?

Offline pixelated

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Re: Metric tape measure
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2020, 08:20 PM »
I’d like to find one of those flat stiff rules in the top of the pic. What does BMI call it?
They call it a “BMImeter” https://www.thetapestore.co.uk/tapes-rules/tape-measures/tape-measure-brand/bmi-tape-measures/bmi-bmimeter-2-in-1-tape-measure-ruler-2m-6ft

thetapestore has a few variations of it, if you browse by brand. It looks like it would be very handy.

FWIW, I have one of those Starett electronic tapes, the electronics died years ago on mine, but it was great while it worked.
It’s now one of my semi-retired backups.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2020, 08:24 PM by pixelated »