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Offline TrackPack83

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Left Blade Track Saw?
« on: April 22, 2016, 01:59 PM »
I've been thinking about something for some time now.........why are all track saws right-hand blade?  Why not make a left-blade design so us "rightys" can have our dominate hand on the trigger grip and have a clear view of the blade?  Thoughts?

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Offline Svar

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2016, 02:15 PM »
I hear you loud and clear. Another benefit is when mounted under the table the blade will tilt right, away from the sliding table, as it should. While at it, upgrade trunions on TS75 to at least that of 55REQ. The current ones are flimsy to say the least.

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2016, 03:00 PM »
I have read that over 2/3 of humans are right handed. The decision to make products that are right handed is probably cost versus market size.
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Offline TrackPack83

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2016, 03:33 PM »
I have read that over 2/3 of humans are right handed. The decision to make products that are right handed is probably cost versus market size.

I hear you on the majority of people being right-handed.  I think left-handers make up about 10% of the population.  A left-blade saw would be tailored for a right-hand user, in my opinion.

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2016, 12:11 PM »
  I've often wished for the opposite tilt on festool's track saw.  When I frame right-handed with a skilsaw (blade on left), I have become accustomed to watching the blade follow my cut-line; most times my 'waste' is on the right which allows me to pull measurements left to right.  By pulling measurements that direction my tape is oriented with the numbers/writing/divisions progressing the same way as any other thing I'm generally going to read, and feel I'll make less errors that way.  That being said, I know they make tape measures that have writing oriented both ways (not readily available in the brand of tape I prefer), and having the track eliminates the need for watching your cut-line during the cut.  I suppose my 'waste' would then fall on the left, and I'd have to pull measurements the 'wrong' way for myself.  Either way, having the option would be nice.  Then we would all need to double up on tracks so the sacrificial strip would be correct for each saw, some for left tilting and some for right tilting. [smile]

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2016, 12:00 AM »
SUFFER YOU PATHETIC RIGHT HANDED PEOPLE!!! [mad] [mad] [mad] [big grin]

Hope you're miserable as all heck.

Not often us lefties score a beneficial win. The number of times I've heard some idiot say "... why don't you just use your right hand?" [huh]

Funny how left handed people tend to be more ambidextrous and right handed people can border on "spare limb" with their left hands.

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2016, 12:07 AM »
@Kev the left hand is handy for a shifting in a RHD car, but what do you do for giving the bird?

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2016, 12:14 AM »
@Kev the left hand is handy for a shifting in a RHD car, but what do you do for giving the bird?

@Holmz left/right for driving are paddle shift down/up .. windows stay up. Pacifist that I am, I would support head removal as a suitable punishment for people that go round sticking their fingers up in response to other motorists calling them on their discourteous driving [wink]

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2016, 02:42 AM »
I've been thinking about something for some time now.........why are all track saws right-hand blade?  Why not make a left-blade design so us "rightys" can have our dominate hand on the trigger grip and have a clear view of the blade?  Thoughts?

Tracksaws are already optimised for right hand users. They just follow the design of standard circular saws which have been designed with right hand users in mind, since they make up 90% of the population.

And on which side of the saw you stand depends on what you're cutting.

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2016, 03:20 AM »
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I would support head removal as a suitable punishment for people that go round sticking their fingers up in response to other motorists calling them on their discourteous driving [wink]

^This^ why when people ask for a recommendation on a car, I suggest any form of vapid transit [embarassed] in order to retain one's head.
Usually the bus, the ferry, or a bicycle, or a HANS.

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Offline Svar

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2016, 08:19 AM »
Tracksaws are already optimised for right hand users. They just follow the design of standard circular saws which have been designed with right hand users in mind, since they make up 90% of the population.
By your logic worm drive saws and nearly all cordless saws have been designed with left hand users in mind since they have left blade setup.
The first circular saw was worm drive by Mitchel (Skilsaw) with left blade, because it is easier to use when held in the right hand. To overcome patents Porter Cable came up with right bladed "sidewinder" which is more common today.  Cordless saws broke up with sidewinder tradition by having left mounted blade. Worm drives popular among framers in US have always been left bladed.
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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2016, 08:35 AM »
Personally as a right handed person (but still having a left hand with all its parts) I prefer circular saws not intended for use with a rail to have their blades on the left.  But when using a rail and a saw intended for rail usage I don't care that the blade is on the right.  I don't have to worry about the cut line because my rail dictates that.  When making long rips I will use my  [eek] left hand for guiding the saw  [eek] [eek].

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2016, 10:48 AM »
I've been thinking about something for some time now.........why are all track saws right-hand blade?  Why not make a left-blade design so us "rightys" can have our dominate hand on the trigger grip and have a clear view of the blade?  Thoughts?

Tracksaws are already optimised for right hand users. They just follow the design of standard circular saws which have been designed with right hand users in mind, since they make up 90% of the population.

And on which side of the saw you stand depends on what you're cutting.

Err, have you ever had a go with a standard circ saw that has a left side blade?  Nice and easy, good line of sight for the blade against the line you are cutting to.

I'm right handed and find left side blades better on a normal circular saw.

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2016, 12:49 PM »
Tracksaws are already optimised for right hand users. They just follow the design of standard circular saws which have been designed with right hand users in mind, since they make up 90% of the population.
By your logic worm drive saws and nearly all cordless saws have been designed with left hand users in mind since they have left blade setup.
The first circular saw was worm drive by Mitchel (Skilsaw) with left blade, because it is easier to use when held in the right hand. To overcome patents Porter Cable came up with right bladed "sidewinder" which is more common today.  Cordless saws broke up with sidewinder tradition by having left mounted blade. Worm drives popular among framers in US have always been left bladed.
Worm drive saws are designed for cutting straight down cutting rafter tails and the like.

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2016, 01:37 PM »

Worm drive saws are designed for cutting straight down cutting rafter tails and the like.
They were designed to cut sugar cane. Good read here, including why sidewinder has right blade: http://www.asktooltalk.com/articles/toolhistory/divide.php
« Last Edit: April 24, 2016, 01:40 PM by Svar »

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2016, 04:19 PM »

Worm drive saws are designed for cutting straight down cutting rafter tails and the like.
They were designed to cut sugar cane. Good read here, including why sidewinder has right blade: http://www.asktooltalk.com/articles/toolhistory/divide.php
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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2016, 11:26 AM »
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Offline Job and Knock

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2016, 05:59 PM »
I've been thinking about something for some time now.........why are all track saws right-hand blade?  Why not make a left-blade design so us "rightys" can have our dominate hand on the trigger grip and have a clear view of the blade?  Thoughts?
"Clear view of the blade"? On a plunging rail saw?  [eek]
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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2016, 04:17 PM »
I've been thinking about something for some time now.........why are all track saws right-hand blade?  Why not make a left-blade design so us "rightys" can have our dominate hand on the trigger grip and have a clear view of the blade?  Thoughts?
"Clear view of the blade"? On a plunging rail saw?  [eek]

That was my first reaction as well...the whole reason i use a track saw is so that I do NOT have to stare at cut line and know it will be straight.

Offline Svar

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2016, 04:48 PM »
I've been thinking about something for some time now.........why are all track saws right-hand blade?  Why not make a left-blade design so us "rightys" can have our dominate hand on the trigger grip and have a clear view of the blade?  Thoughts?
"Clear view of the blade"? On a plunging rail saw?  [eek]
That was my first reaction as well...the whole reason i use a track saw is so that I do NOT have to stare at cut line and know it will be straight.
I use my left hand doing long rips on a table. However, most of right handed people I see do it with their right hand, which looks really uncomfortable:
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Besides, left blade saw would work better mounted into CMS unit, namely, tilting away from the sliding table.

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2016, 09:54 PM »
I've been thinking about something for some time now.........why are all track saws right-hand blade?  Why not make a left-blade design so us "rightys" can have our dominate hand on the trigger grip and have a clear view of the blade?  Thoughts?
"Clear view of the blade"? On a plunging rail saw?  [eek]
That was my first reaction as well...the whole reason i use a track saw is so that I do NOT have to stare at cut line and know it will be straight.
I use my left hand doing long rips on a table. However, most of right handed people I see do it with their right hand, which looks really uncomfortable:
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Besides, left blade saw would work better mounted into CMS unit, namely, tilting away from the sliding table.

It looks uncomfortable because the person in the photo is standing on the wrong side of the track. He is looking at the cut and there is no reason to.

Offline Svar

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2016, 03:15 AM »
It looks uncomfortable because the person in the photo is standing on the wrong side of the track. He is looking at the cut and there is no reason to.
If you are trimming a large piece this is the only option.

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2016, 05:49 AM »
It looks uncomfortable because the person in the photo is standing on the wrong side of the track. He is looking at the cut and there is no reason to.
If you are trimming a large piece this is the only option.
I don't know - at times I have been seen to climb on top of the sheet material and work on my knees. But I do use DW heavy duty trestles!
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Offline sheperd80

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2016, 08:57 AM »
Ive used and greatly prefered blade-left circ saws for years and wondered the same thing about tracksaws. But after using a ts55 for awhile, i get it. A blade left tracksaw would be extremely awkward to use. If you were clamping the track with every cut then blade-left might work, but i usually just throw the track down and hold it with my left hand at the start of the cut because it can move a little as you first enter the cut. If it was blade-left youd be crossing your arms up all the time, and you would have to do bevel cuts left handed. I know it seems counter intuitive, believe me i felt the same way. But ive come to realize that they kind of have to be blade-right for right-handed users. If i could swap it i wouldn't, but still only use blade-left regular circular saws.

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Offline Svar

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2016, 10:08 AM »
If you were clamping the track with every cut then blade-left might work, but i usually just throw the track down and hold it with my left hand at the start of the cut because it can move a little as you first enter the cut. If it was blade-left youd be crossing your arms up all the time, and you would have to do bevel cuts left handed.
All good points there.

Offline MisterMephisto

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2022, 03:11 AM »
Let me get this out of the way, Festool finally gave up in their explanations, and simply told me "Never." on my most recent query of "Will a left blade track saw ever exist?"
 
Now  as a former Lefty, and now a full-time Righty, I have spent 4 years trying to get a (good) left blade track saw.
 
As a lefty, the Right blade track saws were great. They were always used to my left, and ripping or beveled rips were a breeze. But upon losing use of my left arm/leg to a viral reaction, I lost the ability to use a lot of tools. And with it, the nightmare of having a 1 day task, now take 2 weeks to do.
 
So ripping lumber and panels straight became impossible without a table saw, bandsaw, and a track saw.
 
Now, as a righty, when you rip sheet goods, which side of your body is the saw and your lumber on?  If it's a 4x8 or 5x5, odds are, it's on your left side. It does work (if you have 2 hands) but has a great number of drawbacks that righties don't seem to realize while using one of the dozens of right blades track saws out there.
 
First off... it's on your left. You're now using your secondary hand, and for many, twisting, crossing arms, etc.
 
Now try doing a beveled rip at 45° (like making a wall length French cleat.
 
I could go on for days showing, and giving details, but the truth of the matter is that a left blade would be more beneficial for righties. And it would lose nothing in return. In fact, it could gain strength and durability being worm driven.
 
But at the end of the day, Festool refuses. Personally I think it's because they can't make one. I mean, why would you NOT want to sell more saws?
 
I mean, are people buying the (absolutely horrible) Kreg, because they think "Power tool quality, must be a Kreg"? Lol. I mean how many power tools does Kreg have? I can count on one nose how many.
 
So, while righties might claim "a left blade is not ____!" or whatnot, the truth is, they don't know because their only chance is using a knock-off Triton, with WEN quality, at a Makita price.
 
As a former lefty, I wish you all could try a left blade track saw for a while. It's completely different than the things a normal circ saw might have pro/con with.
 
So until then, after spending, and wasting thousands of dollars on jig, and gimmicks, the best option is still the Makita XSH03Z with adapter and Makita guide rail. (Think of all those adapters sold for $50? That's snother saw Festool didn't sell.). And even though the XSH03Z snd track adapter are the best, they're far from good, and far from an actual track saw... I have to replace the blade strip several times a year, and I reuse each strip 3 time before tossing it.
 
Festool... I assume you can't make one. Not making one just "because" is either a cop-out, or a bad business strategy. I know I'd happily slap down $1500 for a left blade TS 75 (even thought it's still 2x what the price should be).
 
So hopefully, as a long time lurker here, maybe Festool can consider being actually innovative, and make something no one else does... a GOOD left blade track saw. That's thousands of sales you're just choosing not to bank on. Weird.
 
And to righty track saw users. Imagine ripping with the saw and board to your right side.
 
It may not mean a lot for many... but for myself... it would be life-changing!

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2022, 10:47 AM »
It's true that nearly all current track saws have the blade on the right rather than the left. The "normal/common" configuration generally puts the off-cut to the right. The one exception I know about it Kreg, but it's not compelling enough for me to consider it over my Festool track saw and middle of sheet cuts still require stretching. :) I do know a lot of building trades folks like the left-side blade configuration so they can use their (usually dominate) right hand on the tool and catch the off0cut with their left hand, however.
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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2022, 02:52 PM »
SUFFER YOU PATHETIC RIGHT HANDED PEOPLE!!! [mad] [mad] [mad] [big grin]

Hope you're miserable as all heck.

Not often us lefties score a beneficial win. The number of times I've heard some idiot say "... why don't you just use your right hand?" [huh]

Funny how left handed people tend to be more ambidextrous and right handed people can border on "spare limb" with their left hands.

This is one of the very few times though.
We lefties have to stick together, there seem to be fewer of us all the time?
Left handers learn to use both because the whole world is right handed and everything is geared toward them, so we adapt. The few things that are engineered for us are usually hard to find, cost more or both.
Can you even imagine a right handed person trying to start a car with the ignition switch on the left side of the column? or shifting a manual transmission with their left? (You Brits can ignore and/or laugh at that one)
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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2022, 02:17 PM »
I am partially ambidextrous...I am left hand dominant for almost everything, except for writing. I prefer a left blade saw and use my right hand on it comfortably. I cannot operate a right bladed saw off of a track, and feel comfortable at all.

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Re: Left Blade Track Saw?
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2022, 03:59 PM »
I am partially ambidextrous...I am left hand dominant for almost everything, except for writing. I prefer a left blade saw and use my right hand on it comfortably. I cannot operate a right bladed saw off of a track, and feel comfortable at all.

I’m exactly the opposite, write and draw left. Hammer and throw right. Ambi at the dinner table.

It does seem to me that the track saws are suited to lefties, at least when trimming an edge, but when cutting through a wide field I use my right hand to push the saw.