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Offline CeeJay

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2020, 04:20 AM »
Cheers all. Been pondering better extraction on my (Makita) mitre saw. Just ordered that Bosch 36mm hose. A sweet $200 less than the Festool one.


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Offline HiCal

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2020, 09:35 AM »
In case you’re going for a 50mm hose. Don’t choose the Festool antistatic, it’s heavy and rigid.
The standard 50mm Festool or similar would be a lot lighter and more flexible.

I bought an extra AS 50mm 2m hose as a part of a deal on a pre-owned boom arm, with intention to use it with the Kapex. But no, unless you find a way to support it and make it follow the saws movement. That would quickly equal stationary use. Just an observation.

Thanks FestitaMakool! That is a very useful bit of info.

Offline Medickep

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2020, 09:14 PM »
Thanks for all of the help.  I wanted to follow up with what I ended up doing in case someone else runs into the same thing. 

I ended up buying this 35mm hose:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AV78B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The smaller end fits into the Kapex and the larger end fits right into my CT36.  I bought an adaptor that threaded right onto the hose for $15 dollars and had some other adaptors lying around that I used, so I could shorten up the hose. 

Offline CeeJay

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2020, 09:17 PM »
Great thanks for following up. I ordered the same hose. Should get it next week.


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Offline Medickep

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2020, 09:27 PM »
I had a more detailed follow up with pictures, but after do the post three times, I gave up.  Unless I have different rules because I'm new, this site seems to have a lot of quirks!


Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2020, 10:21 PM »
Thanks for all of the help.  I wanted to follow up with what I ended up doing in case someone else runs into the same thing. 

I ended up buying this 35mm hose:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AV78B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The smaller end fits into the Kapex and the larger end fits right into my CT36.  I bought an adaptor that threaded right onto the hose for $15 dollars and had some other adaptors lying around that I used, so I could shorten up the hose.

I bought the same hose 2 months ago.  Its a great hose.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2020, 11:23 PM »
I had a more detailed follow up with pictures, but after do the post three times, I gave up.  Unless I have different rules because I'm new, this site seems to have a lot of quirks!

You need to compress the size of the images. Make them each smaller than 1MB....Mine are usually 350k or so.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2020, 11:38 PM by ChuckM »

Offline CeeJay

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Kapex Question
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2020, 12:27 AM »
Received the Bosch 35mm hose today.  Came from Bosch in Kentucky to Brisbane Australia via Amazon in 6 days. Great service.

What a difference it makes! Cut the hose down to about 1300mm and the fittings are a perfect fit into the CT Midi and the Makita at the other end.





Dust collection is probably twice as good now. Happy days!


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« Last Edit: May 19, 2020, 12:31 AM by CeeJay »

Offline Medickep

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2020, 03:09 PM »
So I’m at the disadvantage of not using my kapex much without the dust deputy or a fence attached much.  I noticed the saw was shooting little pieces of wood across my garage like rockets, so I added the fence to prevent that.  I’ve noticed the dust collection has diminished and was looking for ways to prevent that! The easier option I suppose is to remove the dust deputy, but I would think that’s causing much restriction!

Thanks!

Offline Cheese

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2020, 10:46 AM »
I noticed the saw was shooting little pieces of wood across my garage like rockets, so I added the fence to prevent that. 

The first thing I'd do is to shim the zero clearance insert in the table to be flush with the table top. Insert some thin washers and shim it up flush but do not go higher than flush. That alone should make a difference in the amount of projectiles. It should look similar to this.




Then make sure the blade is adequately recessed in the ZCI. There should be no space between the blade and the back of the vertical fence.

Here a straightedge is placed against the fence and the blade is lowered and pushed completely rearward to the fence. This is how I received the Kapex. This produces a lot of little projectiles.




Here the blade has been lowered so that it's completely inside the ZCI and there is no daylight between the blade and the fence.


Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2020, 11:00 AM »
Then make sure the blade is adequately recessed in the ZCI. There should be no space between the blade and the back of the vertical fence.

Is this meant to 'make sure you push the blade all the way down before finishing the cut', or are you suggesting some calibration to get to this point?  I am still on the fence about ordering my Kapex so this information is very helpful to me.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2020, 11:48 AM »
Is this meant to 'make sure you push the blade all the way down before finishing the cut', or are you suggesting some calibration to get to this point?  I am still on the fence about ordering my Kapex so this information is very helpful to me.

Rick, there's a blade height adjustment on the Kapex. The photo of the blade being above the ZCI is how the Kapex was delivered with the saw head fully depressed and moved fully rearwards to the fence. Because of that, I was experiencing a lot of small projectiles being bounced around the shop. I've owned several miter saws but never experienced the projectile issue before.

Once the blade height was adjusted the issue went away. A combination of the "prop wash" moving the off cut around while the teeth on the blade are still exposed and they can catch an edge.

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2020, 11:55 AM »
Rick, there's a blade height adjustment on the Kapex. The photo of the blade being above the ZCI is how the Kapex was delivered with the saw head fully depressed and moved fully rearwards to the fence. Because of that, I was experiencing a lot of small projectiles being bounced around the shop. I've owned several miter saws but never experienced the projectile issue before.

Once the blade height was adjusted the issue went away. A combination of the "prop wash" moving the off cut around while the teeth on the blade are still exposed and they can catch an edge.
Thanks Cheese, very good info for us Kapex rookies. Going to check my Bosch now to see if I have that issue.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2020, 11:59 AM »
The blade height adjustment is set by a human, the one who assembles the saw or QC it before it leaves the factory. My Kapex didn't have the problem illustrated by Cheese when received. Simply follow Cheese's good advice and check on the height adjustment knob (i.e. lower the blade if it isn't already set to the bottom in the factory). Remember to reset it if you have changed it, say, to make some dado (trench) cuts.

Also, wait for the blade coasting to stop because lifting up the sawhead/blade.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2020, 12:02 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Medickep

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2020, 11:26 PM »
I noticed the saw was shooting little pieces of wood across my garage like rockets, so I added the fence to prevent that. 

The first thing I'd do is to shim the zero clearance insert in the table to be flush with the table top. Insert some thin washers and shim it up flush but do not go higher than flush. That alone should make a difference in the amount of projectiles. It should look similar to this.

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Then make sure the blade is adequately recessed in the ZCI. There should be no space between the blade and the back of the vertical fence.

Here a straightedge is placed against the fence and the blade is lowered and pushed completely rearward to the fence. This is how I received the Kapex. This produces a lot of little projectiles.

(Attachment Link)


Here the blade has been lowered so that it's completely inside the ZCI and there is no daylight between the blade and the fence.

(Attachment Link)

Thank you for the tips!! I will take a look at this ASAP!!  For the money, I would have hope it came setup right!  As far as the dust collection is concerned, I realized I had inserted the hoses wrong after I redid my work bench when I got the saw!!😂😂

I will also do the shim suggestion! Get reaquated to the metric system😂

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2020, 09:16 AM »
My Kapex is still not here, even though I was told it was in stock... I sold my Bosch is 2 days so I hope the Kapex gets here soon.

Concerning electrical.  My garage still only has 1-15a circuit.  I have had many issues with this.  On my Bosch, I had a smaller 4hp Ridgid and and IVac.  I never tripped the breaker.  But wondering now about the Kapex.  I am assuming that the Kapex with the CT26 will trip the 15a?  I may get another smaller Ridgid (I sold the one with the Bosch) and see if that will work until I can figure out adding some circuits.

Offline Medickep

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2020, 01:08 PM »

Here the blade has been lowered so that it's completely inside the ZCI and there is no daylight between the blade and the fence.

Cheese-

I pulled the lever forward and lowered the blade as much as possible and than raised it back up. The following image shows how it looks now. Does this look right?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2020, 03:05 PM »

Here the blade has been lowered so that it's completely inside the ZCI and there is no daylight between the blade and the fence.

Cheese-

I pulled the lever forward and lowered the blade as much as possible and than raised it back up. The following image shows how it looks now. Does this look right?

Ya it looks good...don't forget to shim up your ZCI. Cut up some scrap and compare the before & after.

Offline Medickep

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #48 on: October 15, 2020, 08:26 PM »
Thank you sir!  Will be raising the throat plate soon!

Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #49 on: October 15, 2020, 10:52 PM »
Is it better to buy a ZCI or make your own?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #50 on: October 15, 2020, 11:49 PM »
Is it better to buy a ZCI or make your own?

It depends upon how much time you have to ignore other items that are on your list of things to do.


Offline ChuckM

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Re: Kapex Question
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2020, 01:09 AM »
Is it better to buy a ZCI or make your own?

Buy. A ZCI is a consumable. Fastcap's is about $1 a piece. I'm using my second one and my saw is 5 years old.

Aluminum ones use replaceable inserts, but are more pricey.