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Offline ccmviking

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Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« on: July 15, 2008, 11:06 AM »
Guys,

      Just wanted to start a new thread as the discussion on this started on another topic (sort of).  I'm a little surprised to see no response from Festool on this  issue as it is a known problem and people seem to be out there floundering around trying to get their new $1,300 purchase to work as intended. 

      There are two ways that the miter gauge can scrape and be a problem. 

1)  The Miter lock does not completely release and drags on the BOTTOM of the miter gauge.  Festool's fix is to send out the bottom cam plate with different thickness (depth) of detents.  This appears to open up the clearance on the bottom if this is your issue. 

2) The tab that hangs down from the moving miter table rubs on the top outside edge of the Miter Gauge.  Festools answer for this is the remove the Cam Plate, Miter Handle, and scrape the paint off the tab so that it allows a little more clearance between that tab and the miter gauge.  This fix may have worked in a few cases.

   Either one of these problems can cause some scrape marks and burring on the miter gauge that can just keep causing a user problems.  You will need to sand and smooth out the Miter gauge.

  My saw has now suffered from both of these issues and scraping the paint and several layers of metal off the tab have not solved the rubbing issue.  It still scrapes pretty hard.  I will get my Replacement Kapex tomorrow but don't have my hope that it's going to be ok either.  I thought I just had a bad one but after seeing the other messages I know that's not the case now.

It's time to stop thinking this is just because of the tight tolerances and that taking off some paint will fix it.  I like others didn't have a problem with any contact at first.  Things were working well on the first day until about 11AM and then I couldn't hardly turn the table.  All contact at this point was on the bottom of the Miter Gauge.  I got the replacement plate the next day (Thanks Festool) and it Worked!  That is until about 11AM that day and then the Miter table started locking up again.  I thought it was the same thing but after taking off the miter handle and plate noticed that I now had severe contact at the top of the plate.  I took it all apart and scraped off Paint and metal about 4 times and couldn't get it to stop!  I'm now awaiting a replacement saw.  Something on the Miter Table is moving.  Unless this design is allowing temperature to really change these tolerances something else is amiss.  I don't believe it has anything to do with paint on a tab.  Why does it not rub and then after use start GRINDING and BINDING? 

 
     Christian?  Shane?  Can either of you give us users/customers a little information on this issue?  I am concerned and have invested a lot of time, money, emotion on this. 

Thanks,

Chris...

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 11:27 AM »
Chris, thanks for taking the time to start this thread. I too hope to hear from the Festool staff on this issue. Please report back when you get the new saw and keep us posted on how it works days after initial use. Good luck.
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 12:03 PM »
Anyone know the link to the parts diagram for this saw?
I'd like to see what keeps the miter table level.
The problem could be something on the opposite side from the miter scale.

Hygroscopic nylatron?  ;)

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 12:24 PM »
Anyone know the link to the parts diagram for this saw?
I'd like to see what keeps the miter table level.
The problem could be something on the opposite side from the miter scale.

Hygroscopic nylatron?  ;)


I guess that would almost be an inside joke, very funny.
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 12:40 PM »
No, No joke.

nylatron

Ever wonder what the plastic in all the Festool line is?

per
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 01:01 PM »
No, No joke.
nylatron
Ever wonder what the plastic in all the Festool line is?
per

Good point, but.........

Actually, I was referring more to the hygroscopic part.

and the "joke" reference was in fact the truth,

to an earlier discussion - as to why the table slides on the "Joinmaker Pro",

could be a bit sticky in the first morning's use on a very humid or wet day.

10024-0


Roger


« Last Edit: July 15, 2008, 01:09 PM by Roger Savatteri »
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 01:05 PM »
Sorry, I'am an ass.

P.
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 02:10 PM »

Thank you Rick,

I don't own a Kapex yet.

But your above memo is going into my "Kapex coming folder".

Roger
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 02:30 PM »
Anyone know the link to the parts diagram for this saw?
I'd like to see what keeps the miter table level.

Michael

The Parts Diagram is on the Festool USA website, but isn't obvious!

Go to the Festool USA Parts Catalogue

Note that the Kapex isn't listed under Sawing! Instead, go towards the top of the page, where it says "You can browse our online parts catalog with diagrams" and click the link. This takes you to the US version of the Festool EKAT (Ersatzteilkatalog - Spare Parts Catalog).

On the left-hand side, click the + symbol next to "Sawing" to expand that category, and this will reveal an entry for "Sliding compound mitre saw". Click on the + symbol next to that entry in order to expand it, and you'll get an entry for "495649 - KS 120 EB 120V USA".

Click on that entry, and a parts diagram for the Kapex will appear on the right-hand side, complete with prices of individual parts.

Note that the diagram is spread over two pages - click the orange arrows at the top to navigate between the pages.

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 02:50 PM »
Anyone know the link to the parts diagram for this saw?
I'd like to see what keeps the miter table level.

Michael

The Parts Diagram is on the Festool USA website, but isn't obvious!

Go to the Festool USA Parts Catalogue

Note that the Kapex isn't listed under Sawing! Instead, go towards the top of the page, where it says "You can browse our online parts catalog with diagrams" and click the link. This takes you to the US version of the Festool EKAT (Ersatzteilkatalog - Spare Parts Catalog).

On the left-hand side, click the + symbol next to "Sawing" to expand that category, and this will reveal an entry for "Sliding compound mitre saw". Click on the + symbol next to that entry in order to expand it, and you'll get an entry for "495649 - KS 120 EB 120V USA".
Click on that entry, and a parts diagram for the Kapex will appear on the right-hand side, complete with prices of individual parts.
Note that the diagram is spread over two pages - click the orange arrows at the top to navigate between the pages.
Forrest

So that's where the parts diagram is for the MFT/3!
You're 100% right.
It isn't obvious.

Especially when you look at the page below,
where the MFT 1080 and 800 links are living.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2008, 02:52 PM by Roger Savatteri »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 03:16 PM »
Oh, By the way. If you need to make an emergency repair and do not have time to wait for a plate, you can remove the two mounting screws and add 1-2 pieces of paper under the plate as a shim. On the same note, if your miter lock is too loose, then add a shim under the near end (closest to the operator's position when using the saw).

Thanks Rick, this little bit of advice adds a lot to helping me understand the problem.

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 03:18 PM »
Anyone know the link to the parts diagram for this saw?
I'd like to see what keeps the miter table level.
The problem could be something on the opposite side from the miter scale.

Hygroscopic nylatron?  ;)


I guess that would almost be an inside joke, very funny.

Yep, just for you Roger  :)

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 03:19 PM »
Anyone know the link to the parts diagram for this saw?
I'd like to see what keeps the miter table level.

Michael

The Parts Diagram is on the Festool USA website, but isn't obvious!

Go to the Festool USA Parts Catalogue

Note that the Kapex isn't listed under Sawing! Instead, go towards the top of the page, where it says "You can browse our online parts catalog with diagrams" and click the link. This takes you to the US version of the Festool EKAT (Ersatzteilkatalog - Spare Parts Catalog).

On the left-hand side, click the + symbol next to "Sawing" to expand that category, and this will reveal an entry for "Sliding compound mitre saw". Click on the + symbol next to that entry in order to expand it, and you'll get an entry for "495649 - KS 120 EB 120V USA".

Click on that entry, and a parts diagram for the Kapex will appear on the right-hand side, complete with prices of individual parts.

Note that the diagram is spread over two pages - click the orange arrows at the top to navigate between the pages.

Forrest



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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 03:21 PM »
Anyone know the link to the parts diagram for this saw?
I'd like to see what keeps the miter table level.
The problem could be something on the opposite side from the miter scale.

Hygroscopic nylatron?  ;)


I guess that would almost be an inside joke, very funny.

Yep, just for you Roger  :)


thanks Michael, now could you pass the beer down the bar? 
You know, ..............the Belgium Bud.
 :D


« Last Edit: July 15, 2008, 03:25 PM by Roger Savatteri »
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2008, 03:29 PM »
Oh, By the way. If you need to make an emergency repair and do not have time to wait for a plate, you can remove the two mounting screws and add 1-2 pieces of paper under the plate as a shim. On the same note, if your miter lock is too loose, then add a shim under the near end (closest to the operator's position when using the saw).

Rick's explanation may be Festool official stance on what is causing the scraping it's not what I experienced and it doesn't explain the many people that have NO issue with their saw and then DO have an issue.  Something changed drastically as mine went from not dragging top or bottom to almost stuck on bottom.  It became very hard to turn.  Then after changing the plate It had a lot of clearance on bottom and then started grinding at the top  and became very hard to rotate the table again.  It's not a slight oh it's designed to touch slightly kinda rub.  It had a lot of friction to a point of sticking and scraping the top of the miter gauge.  So it galled and rubbed on bottom after working fine, then after fixing that problem it went from working fine to sticking and grinding at the top.  I tried the removing the paint fix as suggested by Festool and it didn't work. 

So Rick although I really appreciate your response, your making light of the situation when you haven't heard what people have stated isn't helpful.  My saw did not exhibit normal behaviors as you might like everyone to believe and changing out the plate did not fix my saw.  What is the reason the miter gauge goes from NO contact top or bottom (I guess this is when it's abnormal, huh?) to rubbing either top/bottom or both?

So does everyone out there have rubbing at the top of their Miter Guage?  Is it a slight rub or something more?  Do you notice if it is worse sometimes than other times?  Is the noise a slight rub or more of a grinding sound?

Chris...       

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2008, 03:50 PM »
I was mostly kidding about the nylatron but if the guide plate (part #130) is nylatron
(and there is a good chance it is MDS filled nylatron but the parts diagram doesn't identify materials)

then high humidity could raise the whole miter table causing the spring plate (#115)
to rub on the bottom of the bottom of the miter scale.
 
Conversely, low humidity could cause the miter table to sit lower and the clamp tab
would scrape the top of the miter scale.




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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2008, 03:59 PM »
I believe Chris and Michael are on to something. My saw's miter movement was stiff out of the box, I wouldn't say if grinding, after some use in move more freely. I didn't give it another thought until late last week when using the saw outside in the heat some of the stiffness came back.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2008, 04:48 PM »
Brice,


   When I first got mine, I took it out of the perfectly undamaged box and it looked great.  Since I had a lot of company in for the 4th, I decided not to spend too much time with the saw.  Every now and then, I would sneak into the shop (2-car garage) and play with it a bit.  I made several cuts and the miter worked great...  I live in Atlanta where during the day time, the sun can get extremely hot...  On Saturday, I pulled the saw out of the shop for the first time and used it sitting directly on my Deck.  It worked great for a while, but as the day wore on, it got very stiff to adjust the miter position (physically grinding)...  At the end of the day, I put it back in the garage.  Yesterday, the miter could be adjusted freely while sitting in the garage...

   With the first saw that I tried at Woodcraft, the miter was easy to adjust initially...  While playing with it, we tilted the saw up to look at how the base was machined...  Immediately after that, the saw would scrape when adjusting the miter.  I am not suggesting anything specific, but it seems that there might be a correlation to how one handles it or what conditions it is used in...



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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2008, 05:05 PM »
Miter saws have been around for more than 30 years now. There have been a lot of means devised to lock the miter. While most of the other features of miter saws have been improved or exceeded in the Kapex the miter lock isn't one of them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most other miter saws lock onto something other than the miter scale?
And the miter scale is an independently attached reference?

On the Kapex, miter locking depends on three screws fitted though large holes. If those screws loosen you've got a lot of trial and error adjustment to do. (TIP, make a couple of reference miters while it is dead own to aid in recovering the saw setting so you can derive the miter scale setting from that)

Making the miter scale do double duty (critical duty) isn't an improvement IMO.

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2008, 05:11 PM »

I believe Chris and Michael are on to something. My saw's miter movement was stiff out of the box, I wouldn't say if grinding, after some use in move more freely. I didn't give it another thought until late last week when using the saw outside in the heat some of the stiffness came back.
Anyone else have thoughts on this?

(Rick, no problem with your using the picture.)

I made a kidding, but real reference earlier about hygroscopic issues when Michael brought it up.

Here's what John Economaki, from Bridge City Tools said about a similar issue (about the rubbing) on a different piece of equipment, the "Jointmaker Pro".
True, we are talking about two completely different designs, what we should/could be focusing on is the hygroscopic issues with Nylatron......

(If in fact it is a Nylatron made part on the Kapex.)

"The Nylatron ways need to be adjusted over time--it's easy. In addition, this material appears to be slightly hygroscopic--I had a lengthy session on a Saturday, came in Sunday (it was raining) and my tables were snug--it took a couple of minutes to get them working like the puck on an air hockey table. We lube them with Teflon. They are designed to "give way" if somebody tries to do something outside of the scope of the tool--like try to crosscut a 16' plank of hardrock maple after losing a match on American Gladiators... "


Roger





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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2008, 05:45 PM »
Miter saws have been around for more than 30 years now. There have been a lot of means devised to lock the miter. While most of the other features of miter saws have been improved or exceeded in the Kapex the miter lock isn't one of them.

Well, you may be right.

Quote
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most other miter saws lock onto something other than the miter scale?
And the miter scale is an independently attached reference?

There are so many designs out there it's hard to accurately answer this question, for the sake of this discussion I would have to agree.

Quote
On the Kapex, miter locking depends on three screws fitted though large holes. If those screws loosen you've got a lot of trial and error adjustment to do. (TIP, make a couple of reference miters while it is dead own to aid in recovering the saw setting so you can derive the miter scale setting from that)

Making the miter scale do double duty (critical duty) isn't an improvement IMO.

Your statement speaks for itself.


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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2008, 06:18 PM »

Rick's explanation may be Festool official stance on what is causing the scraping it's not what I experienced and it doesn't explain the many people that have NO issue with their saw and then DO have an issue.  Something changed drastically as mine went from not dragging top or bottom to almost stuck on bottom.  It became very hard to turn.  Then after changing the plate It had a lot of clearance on bottom and then started grinding at the top  and became very hard to rotate the table again.  It's not a slight oh it's designed to touch slightly kinda rub.  It had a lot of friction to a point of sticking and scraping the top of the miter gauge.  So it galled and rubbed on bottom after working fine, then after fixing that problem it went from working fine to sticking and grinding at the top.  I tried the removing the paint fix as suggested by Festool and it didn't work. 

So Rick although I really appreciate your response, your making light of the situation when you haven't heard what people have stated isn't helpful.  My saw did not exhibit normal behaviors as you might like everyone to believe and changing out the plate did not fix my saw.  What is the reason the miter gauge goes from NO contact top or bottom (I guess this is when it's abnormal, huh?) to rubbing either top/bottom or both?

So does everyone out there have rubbing at the top of their Miter Guage?  Is it a slight rub or something more?  Do you notice if it is worse sometimes than other times?  Is the noise a slight rub or more of a grinding sound?

Chris...       

Chris do you see any green around my name? I am not a Festool employee, so I really don?t appreciate it when someone is as disrespectful as you just were. I took time out of my morning to look into a problem that I wasn?t even experiencing, and I come back to be greeted by your attitude.

If the solution I presented does not resolve your problem, then you have a different problem and should contact Festool Service yourself. If the problem is as severe as you indicate, then you should have already returned your saw under the full factory warranty instead of whining about it.



Rick,

If you're offended by what I said you need to figure out a way to deal with that yourself.  Your statement of "people discussing this and presenting a lot of speculative repair information" is discounting what others are saying.  In your whole post you did nothing but think you had the silver bullet to solving the issue.  I'm assuming that you've never had this issue or replaced the part on your saw, so how exactly did you think you could say that what others was saying was speculative?  I would say your comments were speculative repair procedures since they didn't fix the issue.  If you read my post again you will see that I will be getting a new Kapex tomorrow.  Like I said it may or may not suffer from the same design or material flaw that my current one does. 



Chris...
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2008, 07:15 PM »
Okay guys let's not get sidetracked here this thread is too important for that.

I've talked to Chris on the phone twice now and I understand frustration he has gone through. He tried to fix the saw in the field (in 100+ degree heat) just to have the problem reoccur. He talked to David McGibbon and followed his advice so it's only fair that we don't dismiss his attempts to resolved this problem. Also keep in mind he is here to complain, he posted this thread to try to help others understand the issues involved and get the correct information to the users.

So if you own a US version Kapex I'd like to hear about how your saw is working. Is setting the miter stiff, is there a grinding sound? I want to hear from all of you even if your saw works perfectly (I especially want to hear from you if your saw works perfectly).
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2008, 07:26 PM »
When you guys post your experiences with the movement of the miter table
it might be helpful to include the climate conditions associated with any change
in how smoothly the table moves.

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2008, 07:37 PM »
Michael,

It's hot where I'm at.  We've been 100+ with around 30% humidity.  I thought it was just a heat related issue and that I was the only one with a problem at first.  It was 110-112
the first day I got it out and used it.  That's why I posted that poll trying to figure out where they are getting used.  I'm not so sure that's it's related to temperature now.


Chris...

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2008, 07:57 PM »
Some materials that are humidity sensitive are not necessarily temperature sensitive.
And some materials (like rubber) respond differently to temperature than you'd expect.

But, 110 degrees is extreme! Even the aluminum will expand significantly in that climate.

I'm just speculating that the guide plate is involved too but there doesn't seem to be a spring included
in the miter table to base connection so that guide plate must be a pliable synthetic low friction material
and there is a good chance that it has some kind of climatic sensitivity which could exceed the tighter tolerance
of the spring plate from the early supply of North American Kapex.

I'd also like to know more about the lever (part #115). In the parts diagram it is a complete assembly of I don't know what. Which way do you move the lever to clamp the spring plate to the miter scale?


I'm kinda butting in here since I don't have a Kapex but I just can't resist a good technical mystery.

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2008, 08:40 PM »
Brice,

My saw is working fine (so far). I haven't used it extensively yet. Just cutting some base, so hopefully it won't become the problem that others are having.

Rick's comment about Festool changing the design must ring true or these issues would have cropped up elsewhere in the world before we got ours. It would be interesting to see the differences in design between the two.

Mike

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2008, 08:44 PM »
I just noticed the scraping on mine.  I used it the other day for the first time to do some casing.  It was indoors, probably mid '70's, and I didn't have any problems.  Today I was outside in my garage (in Phoenix) and it was over 100.  The scraping got worse the more I attempted to swing the saw.
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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2008, 08:44 PM »
Hello Brice,


   For what it is worth, I just went out in my garage and checked the "condition" of my miter saw...  The temperature in there is about 80+-...  At first, the miter angle moved very freely...  I swung it all the way from the leftmost position (50 degrees) to the rightmost position (60 degrees) maybe ten times...  After about the 6th or 7th time, it started to bind again...  I looked at the "spring plate" and other than the fact that it rest on the miter scale, I do not see any obvious signs of it burring into the metal...

   One thing I wanted to point out is that the scraping/grinding on both my machine and the one at Woodcraft was most audible at the leftmost end of the travel (i.e., 50 degrees)...  I am being shipped a new spring plate and hope to have it by Friday...  One thing I do not understand is if it is the spring plate, why is it not binding more-or-less uniformly across the entire length of the miter scale.  It clearly seems to bind the most at the extreme ends of the travel...

   I will install and report back what the results are...



Matt

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Re: Kapex miter table hard to turn or Scraping?
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2008, 09:16 PM »


     I have a goal to have this issue resolved one way or another within 30 Days from my purchase date.  To me that's the worst thing that can happen but I have to leave that option open to myself.  I think the saw has some wonderful features, cuts very well, and would be a pleasure to use if it didn't feel like you're swinging around something cheaply made.  I want the issues resolved.  I paid a lot of money for this as did others.  The Festool fix didn't on this one.  Maybe the other saw won't need it and if it does maybe it's the remedy.  My saw was checked prior to shipment, worked find, fine when I got it, and now doesn't.  I'm concerned that Festool hasn't made any statement on this.  I hope it's that they are feverishly working on a real solution and will let us know shortly.    I've got less than 3 weeks to get everything working well or have them come pick it up. 

Chris...