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Offline Thompmd

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How many Sanders do you have & why
« on: May 12, 2020, 07:29 AM »
I have a RO150 only and was curious what some of the smaller or even another unit would benefit me? I’m new and curious if I’m missing something ?

I was thinking about having to stock all the necessary grits, extra space, cost etc and was just wondering if they do a better job?

I’m mostly happy with my current unit(other than some swirl marks at the extremely low end of grits get a lot of swirl marks I have to work at removing, btw: I have the suction set low and don’t adjust through rough-finish) and realize I’m kind of answering my own question just wondering?
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Offline rst

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2020, 07:51 AM »
I own virtually all the sanders but if I had only the rotex, I would add the ETSEC 150 as the sandpaper would overlap.  Then I would add the RO 90 for small areas and for the pointed triangle.  The alternative to the 90 would be the DTSEC 400 which I probably use more than any.

Offline Chris Cianci

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2020, 08:29 AM »
My first was RO 150. It covers a lot of area plus it’s two sanders in one, as a hobbyist I could do most things w it as production speed isn't an issue. Sanding edges w it would require care of handling so as to not round an edge if you didn’t want to.
You didn’t mention having oscillating spindle/belt sander.....so maybe edge sanding for you  is covered w that unit ?That’s a great tool addition if you primarily operate out of a shop you will find a ton of uses for that unit.
I found a used RO 90 and bought it for narrower stock plus I have done some wood shaping with it. plus the Delta pad is nice.

The RO 150 is heavy for overhead use so I talked myself into an ETS 125 although it’s a different sander than the Rotex models.  I have a RS 2E that is great for flat panel sanding and covers a ton of surface area. I wanted to do some wood shaping on a modern chair project and again found an RAS 115  new and cheap and it came w a ton of paper.

I think you are smart to ask others what their motivations are for different sanders as most of us try to cover the most applications with a specific tool.
All decisions should be based on your choice of projects I hope the above info is of use to you as they are what works for me. To be truthful like most people I only sand with one sander at a time and I have to admit a lot of people might say I have too many sanders as a hobbyist but I love good tools. I’ve never regretted any of my Festool purchases
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Offline aloysius

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2020, 09:13 AM »
Used to have heaps of sanders: 
Elu 1/3 sheet & Festo RS3E & RS1C 1/3 & 1/2 sheet Orbitals, plus an old 1/3 sheet B&D "linear action" sander that wasn't really.  Plus a Festo RS4 & Bosch GSS16A Palm sanders.

Couple of Bobbie Bosch(small) Deltas & a Festo Deltex

Couple of Festool LS130 Duplex Linear sanders, plus a swag of custom & OEM profiled bases.

Bobbie Bosch PBS 75AE, Kango Wolf 2424 & Festool BS105E kit belt sanders.

Mafell/Kress UX150 & Festo RO 150E 150mm dual action ROT(ary)/EX(zenter) gear driven sanders

Mirka DEROS ROS in 2.5, 5.0 & 8.0 diameters.

Mirka DEOS Orbitals in small, large & delta configurations.

Metabo SXE400 detail RO Sanders (70mm dia.) - no less than FOUR!!

Triton Random Orbital Sander attachment (for an Angle Grinder).  Super fast, super messy!

Fein FSC 500 QSL sanding attachments.  Absolutely useless as a sander!

As to what you want, need or (dare I say it) should get, well that all depends....  Time will tell.

I've refined my own collection down from the rather ridiculous 2 dozen odd to a much more rational 10 for my own SPECIFIC NEEDS.

The old Festo orbitals were good, but also fairly slow: a common characteristic of all orbitals.  The Elu eventually wore out.  Orbitals are useful for fine flattening, & especially good at fine denibbing between paint & lacquer coats. 

My small Mirka DEOS serves this purpose well, & takes the same size paper as the Festool Duplex & RS400 & the Bosch GSS16.  My only orbitals are now the small DEOS 80x133 & Delta.  Probably the Delta only would suffice at a pinch. The Mirkas are simply a better sander, having a larger (faster) 3mm orbit, lighter weight & superior balance to all others.  The larger DEOS with a plasterer's shaped & sized pad eventually just became surplus to requirements.

Detail work is undertaken by the 2 Bosch Deltas (PDA240 & GDA280), which I prefer due to their system of extra sanding fingers, custom profiles that I've made & louvre extensions, which is why I still use 2.  The tiny Metabo SXe400s are gems, allowing fairly fine concavities & complex mouldings to be smoothed & polished (i.e car headlights etc) in places any other sander can't.  Which is why I keep one only spare.  These were also ideal tools for the tiny hands of my young children, which is why I only retain a couple now.

The Festool Duplex LS130s proved utterly hopeless.  Worst tools (with the possible exception of Festo/ol's execrable cordless drills) that I've ever owned.  Despite dual counter-rotating counterweights, they're simply too vibratory for extended use, clog papers like a mo-fo, & their profiled bases literally crumble into uselessness with alarming & expensive rapidity.  Just....don't.  A hand block is actually faster!

Belt sanders have been reduced to the one big Festool BS105E.  With its fine belts & its fabulous sanding frame fitted, it's uncharacteristically smooth & fine, or as aggressive & rapid abrading in coarser grits as anything other than a dedicated floor sander.  I'd probably still have the small Bosch too, but for the fact that it was nicked.  A belt sander will do everything & more that any Rotex sander can do, but much smoother, easier & faster.  Provided the sanding frame is fitted.

As you've undoubtedly noticed the Rotex tools can become a bit of a handful at times, & must be firmly gripped & carefully guided.  A belt sander doesn't:  its own mass & inertia does the work, requiring the lightest restraint but no pressure, but its speed & power means that it, too, must be kept in perpetual smooth motion over the substrate.

As far as random orbitals are concerned, I've found that the Mafell/Kress & Festool Rotexes are just a bit too big, heavy & rough for my ageing hands.  As you've already noted, they're a bit too rough to provide a fine finish.  The Mafell was rubbish (too much power for the relatively weak geartrain), & when I "found" the Mirka sanders, everything else simply pales in comparison.  Less than HALF the weight of the Festool (maybe 1/3 of the Mafell!), smoother running and far superior results to any other I've tried.  So good, in fact that I've personally found the 2.5mm diameter DEROS to be redundant.

I think the difference is in the papers:  Mirka's Abranet mesh abrasives are just fantastic.  To be fair, though, maybe a but too susceptible to tearing on sharp or hard edges.  But so are paper-backed abrasives too.  The Abranet ACE & HD abrasives are super long lasting & (incomparison to Festool's range) fairly inexpensive.  Dust extraction through Abranet abrasives is in my opinion unequalled.  Plus the huge number of holes in Mirka's sanding pads means that just about any other rogue abrasive will work & extract well too.

Don't think that I'm unneccessarily down on Festo'ol's sanders here.  They're all (with the exception of those stupid LS130s) good tools, but the world has moved on a bit in the past 40-50 odd years since they were originally designed.  Whilst Festools are good, Mirkas are great.  Where Festool's products often prevent anybody else's pads & papers being used, most others use common mountings, hole patterns & readily available sizes.  If Mirka's sanders seem a bit too expensive, then one of their licensed clones (Indasa, Rupes, Carsystem, Metabo, Delmeq or Sumaki) which use the same hardware will possibly save you a bit.

My single remaining Festool sander is the BS105E, mainly by virtue of its sanding frame & commonly available belt sizes (for which I actually had to shorten the distance between the rollers).  It even takes Abranet Ace belts.  Since Festool Australia sacked my 2 preferred local agents & repairman & gutted the retail network, it's near impossible to access regular consumables, spares & parts in a timely fashion.  The last straw for me was an over 3 month wait-time for a basic delivery of some abrasives & a replacement pad for one of my Duplexes.  My nearest Festo "retailer" doesn't even stock the flamin' products: thety just order 'em in as required/prepaid.  Blow that for a joke!

So the 4 Mirkas, 2 Bosch Deltas, a brace of Metabo detail randoms & the big Festo/Holz Her belt sander now comprehensively serve just about each & every one of my (unique) sanding needs.

You will undoubtedly require a different suite of abrasive tools.


P.S.  Just remembered that I also (shortly) owned a RO90 DX kit from Festool too.  This ridiculous excuse for a sander probably ties with Metabo's Porsche Multihammer as one of the worst designed power tools of all time.  It was just terrible, & more than any other has probably turned me away from "modern" Festool designs for life.

 




« Last Edit: May 12, 2020, 10:04 AM by aloysius »
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2020, 09:52 AM »
RTS 400- FINISHING CLEANING UP SURFACES AFTER STRIPPING FOR REFINISHING
RO 90- FOR SMALL NARROW THINGS LIKE FACE FRAMES
RO 150- USE THE HARD PAD BETTER THAN A BELT SANDER
ETS 150/3 GREAT TO USE BEFORE FINISHING

Offline Jeff Zanin

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2020, 10:00 AM »
It wasn't until I rounded them up for the family photo that I realized the sanders are as bad as the routers for auto-proliferation.  The Craftsman belt sander was the first one I bought, for a project that involved scribing 2x lumber 30 years ago.  As time went by various others were added to help with specific projects and now... here we are.

By far the most used now is the ETS EC/150/3, mainly for sheet goods, but I am happy to have the others for specialized tasks such as corners and edges, and if I were scribing 2x lumber today I would reach for the RAS.

Jeff


Offline Alex

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2020, 10:16 AM »
I used to have 13 different Festool sanders at one point. Plus one Metabo. I just bought any Festool I could get my hands on in the used market and try it out. If I liked it, I kept it, if not, I sold it off with a profit.

Eventually my use of these sanders crystalised into what I really needed and only 6 were left over. Lately I've added 2 more for my convenience so I'm at 8 now.

  • DS 400 - most used sander, usefull for practically anything that's not big sheets. Mostly windows and door trim.
  • DTS 400 - I use the DS so much I got a second one for when I need to do another job somewhere else in between.
  • DS 400 converted to an RS 400 - For those places where the DTS 400 is too wide.
  • RO 150 - the big boy for the powerful jobs. Couldn't live without it.
  • ETS 125 - My door specialist. Or for other larger surfaces that require a very fine finish. Also nice on walls.
  • ETS 150 - Big overlap with ETS 125 and RO 150. I think I'm going to sell it again, too little use lately.
  • RAS 115 - When the paint absolutely, positively has to come off in seconds. Only used for the really tough jobs.
  • DX93 - Very little used lately, but with the extended pad it can reach places no other sander can, so I'm keeping it.

But only 3 of them I use most, the DTS 400, RO 150 and the ETS 125. These 3 cover 98% of my sanding needs. I just use my sanders a lot for many different things, painting, woodworking, plastering, the rest I have for my convenience because I hate to muddle around.
 

Offline Cheese

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2020, 10:19 AM »
It wasn't until I rounded them up for the family photo...

Love the family photo...I'm tempted.  [smile]

Offline Thompmd

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2020, 10:42 AM »
OMG, does Festool have weekly meetings where each of you stand up... then everyone claps and says hi


They are cheaper than therapy, possibly

Do you get Xmas cards from your “dealer”
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Offline rst

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2020, 11:00 AM »
Thompmd, our meetings are dailey, although not everyone chimes in

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2020, 11:14 AM »
Hi, my name is Uli and I am slightly addicted to Sanders. ;)

Similar to jobsworth I have:
- RTSC 400
- Rotex 150
- ETSEC 150/5
- Rotex 90
- Bosch Beltsander
And the Fein SuperCut that can also do some sanding if needed.

In addition to the Rotex I would propose something with a smaller stroke.
Maybe the ETSEC 150/3 or a DTS/RTS.

Offline Jeff Zanin

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2020, 11:40 AM »
It wasn't until I rounded them up for the family photo...

Love the family photo...I'm tempted.  [smile]
Bring it...  [smile]

Offline fignewton

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2020, 12:15 PM »
I started with the RO125 after a demo of the rotex cutting power at a Woodcraft store.  Love it!  Also got a RO90 for doing small things, and it is perfect for the face frames and rails and stiles of the 27 cabinet doors I'm currently building.  The triangle pad is very handy for getting into corners of flat panels too.  Don't know which of the two I like better--they're both great at what they do.
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Offline Don T

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2020, 02:30 PM »
RTS 400- FINISHING CLEANING UP SURFACES AFTER STRIPPING FOR REFINISHING
RO 90- FOR SMALL NARROW THINGS LIKE FACE FRAMES
RO 150- USE THE HARD PAD BETTER THAN A BELT SANDER
ETS 150/3 GREAT TO USE BEFORE FINISHING
This is exactly what I have also.  Nice combination of sanders. I have always wanted the RS2E but have not had a project that made it necessarily.
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Offline ear3

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2020, 03:04 PM »
The RO150 was the first Festool sander I got, but ironically is among my least used sanders at this point (except for the specialized LS130 and the ETS-EC 150/3, which I got on the secondary market despite not having a pressing need because of a great price on a barely used model).  The ETS-EC 150/5 performs most of the work that I used to demand of the Rotex, and if I were ever forced to liquidate my tools would be the last sander I would part with.

Most of the reason I don't lean on the RO150 much anymore is because I don't do much rehab or renovation work (though when I have in the past it has been invaluable), and the furniture I build is generally with new lumber, which coming out of the thickness planer is already primed for a medium grit.  When I do work with reclaimed material I now use the Makita Brush Sander, which preserves the look and color of the grain much better than hitting it with the Rotex.

I do wish Festool would make their belt sander available here in the states though.
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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2020, 07:27 PM »
I started out with the RO-150.  Better all around sander than anything else I owed prior.  Aggressive mode was a plus.  Introduced me to dust collection.

Next was the RAS.  Stripping paint.

Next was the ETS150/3.  Sometimes the Rotex was just too heavy especially when sanding ceilings.

Last was the DTS 400.  Angled pad for doing corners sold me.

Peter

Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2020, 08:30 PM »
I have a 150/3 and a Rotex 150. (older one) The 150/3 gets 99% of the work. The Rotex only comes out when it's the right tool for the job. Rotex is a two-handed tool and that's not productive for me for general sanding. I love my 150/3...zero vibration (the major reason I originally moved to Festool sanders)...and it does a great job. I may pick up one of the 125mm sanders at some point as it would be better for some of the guitar work I'm now doing.
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Offline Alanbach

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2020, 09:18 PM »
Hello, My name is Alan. It’s been six months since I bought my last Festool sander. I suppose that you could call that, being in “recovery”.

But seriously, my Festool journey started with an ETS EC 125/3 and a CT 36. I make a few end grain cutting boards and the ETS EC was great but I was having to work pretty hard to get the scratch marks from my thickness sander off my cutting boards. So I learned about the recon site and bought a RO 125. It fits that bill perfectly and although I don’t pick it up super often, when I do it is super valuable. Then I made a barn door project for my daughter and had a major finishing debacle when the finish she chose turned the pine door into a big orange Cheeto. It had a lot of Decorative x bracing and so I went and grabbed a DTS400. I was so impressed with its performance that it became so much more than a corner sander for me. I don’t use it quite as often an the ETS EC but I would say second most. It really exceeded my expectations.

After that a couple of bargains came my way and off the wagon I went. I like the DTS400 so much that when I saw an RTS400 on the recon site I got it. Not unlike the DTS it is a very good, very smooth, very easy to use sander. Then they discontinued the RAS and the prices got so low that I had to have one. Along the way I also picked up a used RS2E and an LS130. I have not used those much but I did do a table top and that RS2E was awesome.

Certainly they are luxuries for me but there is just not much in the shop that is better than having just the right tool for a particular job!

Also please note that my joking is not intended to make fun of anyone with any addiction or that is in recovery as I have the greatest respect imaginable for those in recovery (as well as for those suffering an addiction). I just know that I and many others do participate in self deprecating humor when it comes to the excesses that I engage in around tool purchases. My wife says that Woodworking is the cover story for the real addiction that is tool buying.😊

Offline Thompmd

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2020, 07:17 AM »
This is probably an obvious question but what does the difference in stroke do for you or what does it prevent?

What application?

Advantage and disadvantages
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Offline ear3

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2020, 07:59 AM »
@Thompmd  The basic difference is just the aggressiveness of the cut taken by the sander.  The 150/5 is a faster sander than the 150/3.  Faster is usually better when it comes to sanding.  But there are a couple of situations where the smaller stroke is actually desirable in my experience.  The first is when you are working with veneered products.  I have occasionally burned through the top layer of veneered plywood using the 150/5.  Theoretically this shouldn't happen as long as you are being careful by marking the surface with a pencil to not oversand.  But the veneer is sometimes overly thin, to the point where the normal caution is not enough.  So I tend to just use the 150/3 as my default sander for veneer.

The second is high grit sanding.  I have found that from around 400 grit and above, the 150/3 will produce a better finished surface than the 5mm.  It's difficult to spot those differences while sanding, and they only get revealed once you apply whatever finish you end up using.  It's not that the 5mm does a bad job north of 400 grit, but the 3mm is just superior in my experience.

So I don't view the 150/3 as a necessity for the work I do, but it is good to have for the above stated reasons.

 


This is probably an obvious question but what does the difference in stroke do for you or what does it prevent?

What application?

Advantage and disadvantages
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Offline Thompmd

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2020, 09:58 AM »
Ear3, Thank You for that! That might explain some of my learning curve w/ro150. I’ve had some questions when I’ve went back and removed swirls in smaller areas and then when I finish I’ve noticed if you catch the light right you can see a difference once the finish is applied and I’ve wondered if it was me or the wood but I believe it’s me and maybe a shorter stroked 150/3 would help w that?
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Offline Cochese

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2020, 10:40 AM »
ETS 150/3 - first one, best one. I was sold on it when my beloved Porter Cable was discontinued.
DTS - don't use that often, but nice in the corners. Hate that the pad isn't equilateral, and the front point on the pad is just about ruined.
Pro 5 - don't use it that often, I bought it because it was cheap. Better on smaller pieces than the 150, though.

Been considering getting the RO150, but it feels stupid to spend that much on an aggressive sander and not have much of a use case for it. Same with the RO90, but that has the option of using the delta pad (equilateral!). I could probably pay for it completely by selling the DTS and Pro 5, but I'm unsure of the ergonomics compared to those two. Would be great for rails and stiles.

I also have a drum sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, and belt sander. I'd probably sell the belt sander if I got any of the Rotexes.

Offline leakyroof

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2020, 04:48 PM »
Not including a Metabo, a Porter Cable that I almost never use, a monster 8" Fein model that's NLA, a Makita Belt Sander that I forgot about, Fein MM with the Sanding Profile Kit,  i think my high total of Festool was 11, but might be a bit under that now since I sold off and traded a bit with them[ in other words, I haven't taken a tally in while.... [embarassed]]

Now for what I use them for?....
 Smaller sanders to fit in the places my larger ETS EC sanders won't go, like corners.
 Rough Sanding, I grab either the RO 90 or the RO 150, or, the RAS 115- it depends on the work since the EC sanders ,fitted with coarse abrasives will rough sand as well, just won't match the material removal rate of the usual Rough Sanders
 Medium sanding to fine sanding, EC 125 or 150/5, or the RS 2 for larger flat work.  As an all around Sander, both my EC sanders are great, the larger orbit of the 150/5 is more agggressive than the 3mm of the 125.
Wall/ceiling sanding if it requires the really large pad, original Planex
 Tight spots and corners, DX 93, DTS 400, or Delta Mode on the RO 90
 Linear Sanding, like handrails, LS 130
The Fein Sander is sort of a cross between a larger ETS sander and the ergonomics of the RAS 115, with a Random Orbit of 8mm, so it has the surface area of that 8" pad, and a rougher removal pattern than either of the older ETS sanders. But it's noisy and a bit weird to get used to...
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Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

Offline Wooden Skye

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2020, 05:17 PM »
RO150, Ets 150/3, RO90 and RTS 400.  For me I actually prefer the RO150 over the 150/3.  I also have the hand sanding blocks which take the 150 paper and they are great as well. 
Bryan

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2020, 07:14 PM »
I’m not a woodworker, so most of my sanding tasks are either house renovations or fibreglass repairs
  • Bosch GEX150 -  Cheaper alternative to the Rotex, my go to sander, use it for everything that doesn’t need fine sanding.
  • Bosch GD280 Delta – All the small stuff, mainly fibreglass repairs
  • AEG HBSE75 belt sander with linisher stands and Festool sanding frame – sits on the bench as a linisher most of the time, but is awesome with the sanding frame for large flat surfaces
  • Festool RS300 – finish sanding of flat surfaces
  • Festool 150/3- rarely use it, picked it up cheap at an auction.
  • Rupes 400mm * 70mm long board sander – picked it up cheap at auction, have used it once, but if I ever need to fair a yacht I’m ready
  • Arbortech 50mm Contour sander attachment – Had a job shaping some internal curves and didn’t want to do it by hand. 




« Last Edit: May 13, 2020, 07:41 PM by ggc »

Offline Coen

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2020, 11:08 AM »
I used to have 13 different Festool sanders at one point. Plus one Metabo. I just bought any Festool I could get my hands on in the used market and try it out. If I liked it, I kept it, if not, I sold it off with a profit.

Eventually my use of these sanders crystalised into what I really needed and only 6 were left over. Lately I've added 2 more for my convenience so I'm at 8 now.

  • DS 400 - most used sander, usefull for practically anything that's not big sheets. Mostly windows and door trim.
  • DTS 400 - I use the DS so much I got a second one for when I need to do another job somewhere else in between.
  • DS 400 converted to an RS 400 - For those places where the DTS 400 is too wide.
  • RO 150 - the big boy for the powerful jobs. Couldn't live without it.
  • ETS 125 - My door specialist. Or for other larger surfaces that require a very fine finish. Also nice on walls.
  • ETS 150 - Big overlap with ETS 125 and RO 150. I think I'm going to sell it again, too little use lately.
  • RAS 115 - When the paint absolutely, positively has to come off in seconds. Only used for the really tough jobs.
  • DX93 - Very little used lately, but with the extended pad it can reach places no other sander can, so I'm keeping it.

But only 3 of them I use most, the DTS 400, RO 150 and the ETS 125. These 3 cover 98% of my sanding needs. I just use my sanders a lot for many different things, painting, woodworking, plastering, the rest I have for my convenience because I hate to muddle around.

The Deltex isn't produced anymore, replaced by RO 90 with 93V pad. Did you try the LS-130 too?

Offline Alex

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2020, 12:18 PM »
Did you try the LS-130 too?

Yes, I did. It did not suit me. The linear stroke makes it a very weak sander, which bores me. And I have too little real profile work for this thing, whenever I encounter that, I manage by hand.

I tried almost every Festool sander out there, except for the two belt sanders, the big RAS 180, and the newest EC sanders. And the air sanders. 

Offline ScotF

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2020, 08:33 PM »
I have a sander problem.

Rotext 150 - first sander and great for all the rough and medium finishing tasks
Rotex 125 - right size for many sculpted furniture sanding applications
RO 90 - versatile and interchangeable heads are key

DTS400 - actually have 2 of them - my most used sander, probably
RTS400 - like it for some applications and the foam pad is useful
ETS - great finish sander

ETS 150/3 - my first finish sander. Very smooth and I like the handle and balance. I could see adding a 150/5 for the form factor.
ETS EC 150/5 - great 5mm orbit - super lightweight and fast finisher
ETS EC 125/3 - same reason as above, just smaller pad and useful for certain sizes

DX93 - fits where others don't go and good for corners and certain applications
RAS115 - I have two of them - my go-to for sculpted work or rough paint removal - bought a second one since discontinued
RS2E - I am on my second one - first one died. The sander for larger surfaces like tables - so bummed discontinued recently
LS-130 - least used, but works great for profiles and certain applications. When you need it, it is nice to have in the arsenal.

Offline xedos

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2020, 04:37 PM »
Thomp - I hate you.

Because now I have to admit to myself that, like Scot, I also have a sander problem.   I was fine until I actually thought about it.

I could never do with only a Rotex - it's just too big and unruly for a finish sander.  I'd suggest looking into a finish sander.  ETS 125 is a gem at 200 bucks.

Porter Cable pc333  x2
Porter Cable pc121 splndle sander
Makita  GV5010 angled disc
Makita 9911 belt sander
B&D professional 4011 - 1/4 sheet gem that's 35 years old and still smooth.  Changing paper is still a PIA though.
Fein MultiMaster set up as a profile sander with their accessory
Bosch 3283 - the Swiss version
Bosch ps50 dedicated with a narrow finger sanding pad.
Festool ETS125
Festool Pro5  x2
Festool ETS EC125  plus the ec150 conversion pad
Festool rotex125
Festool rotex 90  - would probably face the death penalty if you tried to make me part with it.
Festool RAS115
Ridgid 2610 - metabo's german made 6" ETS competitor that cost me 35 bucks on clearance
Ridgid 4424 - combo belt sander that I got on a lark, but use a lot more than I though I would.
3m  D/F 70x115 hookit block - the vac hookup hand sander that is a clone of mirka and festool's
Metabo frankensander - an old 4 1/2" grinder with a flap sanding disc that get played with once a decade or so.


If you start a router thread , there's really gonna be trouble.   

Offline Thompmd

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Re: How many Sanders do you have & why
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2020, 01:00 PM »
Festoholics!!!

Is your wife named Sandy/Sandra or if I do start a Router thread is her name Rowdy!?

BTW, I’ll buy any/all tools for what you told your wives you paid for this stuff!!

I can’t imagine what your shops look like.

I should only have a Jr membership or Read-only privileges

I can’t honestly imagine what I would need them all for?


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