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Offline Thompmd

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Just curious, I’m a pure hobbyist.

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Actually the first wood store I’ve been in.
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2020, 04:27 PM »
Pure hobbyist.
Only “paid” in real estate value increase. But most importantly; I’m having fun while doing it, I increase my skills and knowledge, not to forget the satisfaction of creating interiors and solutions that fits me, for the price of materials and my time.
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Offline Roseland

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2020, 04:32 PM »
Hobbyist.

I think I remember a similar survey a few years back, and hobbyists were the largest group.

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Offline six-point socket II

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2020, 04:57 PM »
Hobbyist, getting paid in kisses & hugs. ;)

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Oliver
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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2020, 05:22 PM »
Professional working my way towards being a hobbyist.

Peter

Offline hdv

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2020, 05:23 PM »
Hobbyist. For me it is a great stress relief, which is much needed (entrepreneur with several companies that demand too much of my time and attention). There's probably some indirect payment in the form of a reduced medical bill. And, like FestitaMakool, I enjoy improving my home and the things in it. Not sure if that results in a value increase, but it does increase my quality of life.

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2020, 05:33 PM »
Hobbyist.
 I just discovered Festool about two years ago working in a Habitat house.  I used a fellow volunteer's track saw and was hooked.  He showed me how to use it, just laying the track on the wood we were cutting.  I was looking for clamps to keep the track from moving.  I was very impressed.  My opinion before was that most tools were poorly engineered-so many safety features that you have to fight them to even use them.  Festool just feel like they flow with the work, and I appreciate the extra engineering.

I started out on Craftsman in 1970's, then moved to Porter Cable (I truly appreciated their left-hand skilsaw) when they were still good, but saw they were going the same direction as Craftsman.  Now I can barely find Porter Cable   I like buying tools that work with me instead of fighting me all the time. 

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2020, 05:49 PM »
Mostly hobby, but occasional commission work. Got started doing built in bookcases for my then new wife 35 years ago. Justified a Craftsman radial arm saw. Next project was a rocking horse for my 4 year old niece. She’s still got it and she is 38.

I now have an extensive shop with a lot of Festool stuff. Lots of the nice older tools have gone to young friends starting out in the craft.

Woodworking has been a great option during this shutdown period. I’ve been turning exotic wood bracelets for family and friends. Makes them happy and me bust.
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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2020, 06:19 PM »
Professional contractor and woodworker, part time hobbyist
Rick
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Offline rmhinden

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2020, 06:42 PM »
I get paid for my skills in my day job, but I am a hobbyist/DIY woodworker.   I guess the term these days is Maker.

Bob

Offline ChuckM

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2020, 07:13 PM »
Hobbyist with regular income from the hobby that allows me to buy any toys I like (but I don't because I have a small shop, and I also don't like to see tools left hardly used while collecting dust).

Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2020, 07:29 PM »
Professional, background in general remodeling, transitioning to more shop-based work as I get older....
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Offline JimD

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2020, 07:48 PM »
Woodworking is a hobby for me but I occasionally get asked to do it for others for money.  So far I have declined.  I build my furniture and furniture for my kids and grandkids.  So far it has kept me busy enough. 

Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2020, 07:51 PM »
I was primarily a hobbyist woodworker prior to retiring from full time work at the end of October 2017. While I did take a few commissions prior to that, it was pretty much "all for me". After retiring, I bought a CNC machine to add to my arsenal of Euro style machinery and other tools, including a bunch of Festool, and made it a formal corporate business. It was the best way to deal with taxes as well as allow for "separation of church and state" relative to liability. I still do a lot of things for myself including making electric guitars "for fun", but I've also enjoyed doing work for others. I should be clear that most of what I do for money is subcontract work with some exceptions. I much prefer things that way because other makers respect my hourly rates and it's a lot harder to come by end-customers who want the moon and are actually willing to pay for it. BTW, it's rare for me to do work outside of my shop other than on my own home. Again, with minor exceptions to install something that's built-in, etc.
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Offline jcrowe1950

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2020, 08:20 PM »

For me, an interesting question. In terms of what I build typically I am purely a hobbyist, but I also work in a job selling Festool (and other tools). But more importantly I enjoy helping customers to realize the potential of those tools. If I had to live as a woodworker, I'd starve. In my job, as a part time mostly retired, old fart I am exposed to all sorts of customer experiences, exotic woods and exotic projects for which people use those exotic woods.
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Offline kevinculle

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2020, 08:43 PM »
Strictly hobbyist and retired engineer, I work only to satisfy me, my wife and the relatives I often do projects for.

Offline Snoring Bear

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2020, 11:18 PM »
Hobbyist wood worker and  DIY carpenter building sweat equity in home and cottage.
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Offline morts10n

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2020, 11:48 PM »
 Professional....cabinet installer and custom woodworker...heavily invested in Festool for the last 11 years

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2020, 05:44 AM »
As I said above, I am a hobby woodworker who accepts occasional commissions.

I don’t like doing commissions as it usually adds schedule pressure. The other downside is clients who don’t pay.

Most awkward was a couple, friends of my wife, extremely rich, who wanted me to make  something rather unusual for them. They picked the wood, ebony and paduk. Almost $1200. It turned out beautifully. I delivered it early and they were elated with it. After several months and several requests, they paid. They were taken off the “list”.

Other clients have been most gracious and paid on delivery.
Birdhunter

Offline CeeJay

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2020, 05:55 AM »
Hobbyist for now and the last 5 years or so. Building up my skills and the workshop so when I retire from the day job in a few years I can go semi-pro with the furniture making so I don’t go bananas or drive my wife crazy.


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Offline AstroKeith

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2020, 06:38 AM »
Hobbyist, retired engineer/scientist and really enjoying being free to spend time making projects for us and our childrens' families.

Now I'm retired I can take my time and do a better job. Fortunate to have a good pension (and understanding wife) that allows me to acquire and use good tools.
Retired engineer/scientist

Offline MaineShop

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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2020, 06:10 PM »
Professional, small three man shop, doing work directly for customers and mostly directly for contractors and designers.

Offline Jim_in_PA

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2020, 07:40 PM »
As I said above, I am a hobby woodworker who accepts occasional commissions.

I don’t like doing commissions as it usually adds schedule pressure. The other downside is clients who don’t pay.

Most awkward was a couple, friends of my wife, extremely rich, who wanted me to make  something rather unusual for them. They picked the wood, ebony and paduk. Almost $1200. It turned out beautifully. I delivered it early and they were elated with it. After several months and several requests, they paid. They were taken off the “list”.

Other clients have been most gracious and paid on delivery.

I require a 50% non-refundable deposit for any work and final payment before or during delivery. I can count on less than one hand the number of people I would trust without that deposit and they are all very close friends. I invoice for the deposit and it's very clear that it's non-refundable, too. I'm making a commitment to both acquire material and spend time and if someone bails, I at least have covered hard costs for the most part.
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Offline neilc

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2020, 10:04 PM »
Hobbyist for me.  Lots of projects in my home, my kids home, and for friends and family.

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2020, 12:47 AM »
Full hobbyist. Software architect/consultant by day.

But "champagne taste on a beer budget" drove me to start building for myself 30+ years ago.

Add an obsession with guitars and CNC and you get this:

http://ahsbandguitar.blogspot.com

In the early days I would "work for tools", but now I"m like "I have too many of my own projects and don't need the money".

:-)


Offline MaineShop

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2020, 08:13 AM »
Reading Jim's post makes me think if anyone is thinking of charging for your work you may want to check the laws in your state, for example he mentions 50% up front, in Maine for example it is illegal for a contractor to charge more then 30% up front.

Offline ChuckM

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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2020, 08:57 AM »
In my city, a contractor needs to be on the city's registered contractors list in order to collect any deposit or down payment lawfully. It's up to the consumers to check the list before handing over any money...most don't because they aren't aware of the legal requirements.

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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2020, 08:59 AM »
Part-time pro cabinet guy and handyman, part-time hobbyist, part-time real estate photographer, part-time IT project manager.  And in my spare time, rescuer of German Shepherd dogs.   [smile]
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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2020, 09:32 AM »
Hi everyone Profesional finish carpenter and cabinet maker. Part time ranch and cow horse trainer

Offline Jim_in_PA

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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2020, 06:03 PM »

Add an obsession with guitars and CNC and you get this:

http://ahsbandguitar.blogspot.com


Ya...when I created the business I needed "something" to do for fun, so I started building electric guitars last summer, leveraging my CNC. I can't really play them, both because of wrist surgery a few years ago as well as being primarily a keyboard player, but I'm enjoying the building in a huge way.
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Offline David

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2020, 08:27 AM »
Pure hobbyist. It wouldn't be fun (for me) if I did it for a living.
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Offline Mr. Amateur

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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2020, 09:48 AM »
Purely a hobbyist. I really respect a true craftsman.

Offline ceddy

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« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2020, 03:59 PM »
Have a been a hobbyist for 10-12 years, but my business is super slow because of Covid, so I bought a jointer and a proper dust collector to add to my Festool arsenal to be able to sell furniture. Only piece of the puzzle missing is a saw stop. I get by with the TS55 but a table saw would be easier to work with.

Offline ChuckM

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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2020, 12:50 AM »
Snip.
Only piece of the puzzle missing is a saw stop. I get by with the TS55 but a table saw would be easier to work with.

Could you claim tax deduction if you buy the SawStop for your furniture business? My hobby brings me income which is reported as revenue when I file my tax return. My tool purchases are capital expenditures (depreciation).

Offline PaulMarcel

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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2020, 02:18 AM »
Just a hobbyist, though I do a fair number of basically unpaid commissions. These are usually for my broke friends with an entrepreneurial idea I support (and one now has a very well equipped shop with CNC and laser free for my use). Other times, it's for the challenge, and those the people will always, always run the second I ask for an agreed-upon jokingly-small payment.

I'll admit I have more tools than I 'need', but I also love tinkering with them and as most of them have pretty nice resale, I get to play on discount.
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Offline mkasdin

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2020, 03:22 AM »
Glad to see your still around! The circus thing with Covid doesn’t fit into essential business. I think regular table saws like Powermatics are going for cheap, since most people these days are trading I for a sawstop?

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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2020, 03:41 AM »
Glad to see your still around! The circus thing with Covid doesn’t fit into essential business. I think regular table saws like Powermatics are going for cheap, since most people these days are trading I for a sawstop?

Thanks! Yes, my month-long traincations to Las Vegas to train with Cirque performers is kinda done right now. But many have moved on to training via Zoom classes. Thankfully, I converted my living room into an aerial gym 3+ years ago and now it gets used for 15+ hours a week. Best thing ever. (Festools, Vacupress, and SawStop used to build it, btw).

In my case, I pre-ordered the PCS SawStop because I pay for my hobbies typing at a desk job and, as a mentor of mine from Microsoft who lost part of finger in the shop told me, never, ever underestimate how much this affects your life. Fortunately, he made his fortune before having to move away from intense coding (i.e., typing). That was enough for me. Cheap insurance especially considering my private insurance monthly [eek]

I took a long weekend this weekend and next: they are both filled with woodworking and a whole lot of circus aerial  [cool]
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Offline Grakat

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Re: How many of you are hobbyists and how many are paid for your skills
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2020, 06:28 PM »
Hobbyist.

I am a professional Engineer but work in wood for the change, and the opportunity to do one off work.

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