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Offline guybo

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« on: July 09, 2021, 10:05 PM »
333408-0333410-1333412-2333414-3333416-4 [big grin]

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Offline squall_line

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2021, 10:37 PM »
That new "slotted" rail was in the background/hero shots for the new OF 1010.  Now the slot makes a lot more sense.

Offline niky1

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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2021, 06:48 AM »
MFT-HZ 80 577132..... [eek]
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Online DynaGlide

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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2021, 07:44 AM »
If you go here and search by novelty you can see everything with descriptions

=1;]https://www.naradionline.cz/elektricke-naradi/rezani/prislusenstvi/?f[novinka]=1;

The slots on the new rails let you hang them on adhesive clips on the wall or transport over a systainer handle.

There's new self aligning guide rail connectors, a new guide rail angle attachment as well.
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Offline Coen

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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2021, 09:11 AM »
Ahaa. So the smaller holes for storing them and the big hole to have a Systainer handle stick through?

The FS-WA being a new version of the FS-KS? But still no locks at 30/45/60?

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2021, 10:04 AM »

The slots on the new rails let you hang them on adhesive clips on the wall or transport over a systainer handle.

There's new self aligning guide rail connectors, a new guide rail angle attachment as well.

Thanks for that Matt...I saw a photo of the new rails and wondered about the slots. The new rail connector reminds me of the Mafell version.




Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2021, 10:09 AM »
Looks like those new rail connectors would do the job.

What are the green inserts for (for use in the new guide rails)?

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2021, 10:11 AM »
Looks like those new rail connectors would do the job.

What are the green inserts for (for use in the new guide rails)?


Offline wpz

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2021, 10:20 AM »
Also new:

clamping systainer
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phone charger
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wpz

Offline guybo

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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2021, 10:24 AM »
Hi, true however the angle is set by a type of rail dog under the rail ,so 90 degrees etc. is set. guy,p.s uses same system as their pe type rail guide(TSO PE)
« Last Edit: July 10, 2021, 10:26 AM by guybo »

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2021, 10:38 AM »
Nice discoveries guybo and wpz !  [thumbs up]

Seth

Offline wpz

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2021, 10:50 AM »
Nice discoveries guybo and wpz !  [thumbs up]

Seth

I only got there because of @DynaGlide post, so credits to him.

If you go here and search by novelty you can see everything with descriptions

=1;]https://www.naradionline.cz/elektricke-naradi/rezani/prislusenstvi/?f[novinka]=1;




wpz

Offline Coen

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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2021, 11:07 AM »
I don't see the new clamping Systainer there, but it looks like a variant from the previous #201311

New guiderail accesory kit with the new connectors and the FS-WA in #577157, but still the screw clamps.  [sad]

And it comes in a fatter Systainer. How much air can they possible fit in there...   [huh]

I wonder how it looks inside. Tempted to buy it, sell off the empty space waster and transfer it over to a Systainer I T-Loc if possible.

Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2021, 11:22 AM »
MFT-HZ 80 577132..... [eek]


Those hold down clamps are interesting.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2021, 12:29 PM »
Looks like those new rail connectors would do the job.

What are the green inserts for (for use in the new guide rails)?

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So, you don’t know either?  [huh]

Offline squall_line

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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2021, 12:44 PM »
Ahaa. So the smaller holes for storing them and the big hole to have a Systainer handle stick through?

The FS-WA being a new version of the FS-KS? But still no locks at 30/45/60?

The picture of the FS-WA appears to have detents at 30, 45, and 60.

Looks like those new rail connectors would do the job.

What are the green inserts for (for use in the new guide rails)?

(Attachment Link)

So, you don’t know either?  [huh]

Not sure what you mean by that.  He posted a picture in response to the question.  The picture shows the green clips being used to hang the rails on a wall.

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2021, 12:51 PM »
Aha!

The photo could have used a little more depth of field.
It looked to me like a sideways photo of a guide rail sitting on particle board.

Offline wpz

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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2021, 12:52 PM »
They are self stick, but I wonder if you can use them only once to temporarely fix the rail or if you can also use them to hang the rail on the wall and take it on and off.

wpz

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Offline guybo

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2021, 01:09 PM »
fs-wa333463-0333465-1

Offline mino

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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2021, 01:37 PM »
Nice to see the TSO cooperation bear some fruit!

EDIT:
Interesting that the new self-aligning guide rail connectors are different each.

Only one of them is self-aligning while the other one is "traditional". This matches with the observation that the "ribs" are not guaranteed to be same distance, so only one should be used for (self) alignment.

Edit:
Took some time, but looks someone finally listened - a hose guide compatible with FS/2!

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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2021, 02:57 PM »
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Offline TinyShop

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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2021, 03:05 PM »
The adjustable guide rail square is available in a set that includes the improved guide rail connector bars among other items:

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Offline TinyShop

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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2021, 03:14 PM »
Appears to be an extension fence for the adjustable guide rail square featuring a scale and moveable stop:

https://www.naradionline.cz/prodlouzeni-pro-uhlovy-doraz-festool-fs-pa-vl-fs-wa-vl.html
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Offline wpz

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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2021, 04:16 PM »
Appears to be an extension fence for the adjustable guide rail square featuring a scale and moveable stop:

https://www.naradionline.cz/prodlouzeni-pro-uhlovy-doraz-festool-fs-pa-vl-fs-wa-vl.html

Yes, a bit similar in idea as the TSO PGS, but unfortunately no flip stops


wpz

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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2021, 10:22 PM »
I'm unfortunately wondering how many of these items will actually make it to the US shores.  With the TSO exclusivity in the US, the Festool-branded rail square isn't over here, so I wonder if the rail guide with the TSO-esqe connector will make it or if they'll be branded and sold by TSO instead.

Is there any official word on the release of the new OF 1010? 

Curious, too, if they'll discontinue the MFT/3 Set and replace the angle finder.
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Offline mino

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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2021, 07:31 AM »
I'm unfortunately wondering how many of these items will actually make it to the US shores.  With the TSO exclusivity in the US, the Festool-branded rail square isn't over here, so I wonder if the rail guide with the TSO-esqe connector will make it or if they'll be branded and sold by TSO instead.

Is there any official word on the release of the new OF 1010? 

Curious, too, if they'll discontinue the MFT/3 Set and replace the angle finder.
The licensed Festool branded GRS 16 PE is just that. A Festool branded GRS 16 PE. Including the accessory holes for TSO accessories. It is identical to the thousandth of an inch to the TSO branded original.

There a scenario where Festool markets Globally while TSO in US /where they had presence way before/ makes complete sense for TSO and is generally acceptable for Festool.

On the other hand, the new adjustable angle accessory is apparently either a pure Festool design using the licensed TSO connection method or a joint development. There it makes little sense to complicate matters. Further, it is a pretty advanced cast-and-machined thingie which TSO has no way to manufacture at the costs comparable to Festool. A molding set for castings like these goes for some serious $$$.

I can imagine a TSO-branded-but-Festool-made version in the US. But even that would be a stretch. If there is any delay, it is likely to be production capacity related.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2021, 09:57 AM »
They are self stick, but I wonder if you can use them only once to temporarely fix the rail or if you can also use them to hang the rail on the wall and take it on and off.

wpz

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Is there any literature accompanying these green things? It looks like it would be very difficult to lift the guide rail off once the green thing is stuck to a surface, so these are probably meant as another way to secure the rail prior to cutting when neither clamps or the Gecko can be used.

Also, there are many in a package so they seem to to be a sacrificial aid like the outboard splinter shoe.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2021, 10:04 AM »
They are self stick, but I wonder if you can use them only once to temporarely fix the rail or if you can also use them to hang the rail on the wall and take it on and off.

wpz

(Attachment Link)

Is there any literature accompanying these green things? It looks like it would be very difficult to lift the guide rail off once the green thing is stuck to a surface, so these are probably meant as another way to secure the rail prior to cutting when neither clamps or the Gecko can be used.

Also, there are many in a package so they seem to to be a sacrificial aid like the outboard splinter shoe.


  I agree. To me these do not look like they are for rail storage. I think they are for mounting rails on vertical, oddball, or surfaces that can't be clamped.

   Just guessing.


Seth

Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2021, 10:43 AM »
MFT-HZ 80 577132..... [eek]


Those hold down clamps are interesting.

Yes, kinda of a modern take-off on hold-fasts which I find indispensable in my work.
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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2021, 11:07 AM »
I'm thinking those green oblong stickies are 1-time use only for adhering the rails to oddball surfaces like Seth mentioned. I think the OSB wall was chosen to underline how strong/aggressive the PSA is on the back of the oblong item.






Offline tsmi243

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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2021, 11:34 AM »


Edit:
Took some time, but looks someone finally listened - a hose guide compatible with FS/2!

FS/2-AW - part 204787:

Help me out here.  What's new about this one? 

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2021, 11:48 AM »
I'm thinking those green oblong stickies are 1-time use only for adhering the rails to oddball surfaces like Seth mentioned. I think the OSB wall was chosen to underline how strong/aggressive the PSA is on the back of the oblong item.

While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable
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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2021, 12:11 PM »
While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable

I agree, it's probably of limited value for most folks, however maybe it does benefit someone that does a lot of solid surfacing or Corian work. I know I could have used it when I was cutting in a lot of HVAC openings in 3/4" thick wooden strip floors.

It would be interesting to know if Festool gives a load rating for those green rail attachments.  [tongue]

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2021, 12:30 PM »
MFT-HZ 80 577132..... [eek]


Those hold down clamps are interesting.

Yes, kinda of a modern take-off on hold-fasts which I find indispensable in my work.

And these old school cam clamps.


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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2021, 12:43 PM »
I'm thinking those green oblong stickies are 1-time use only for adhering the rails to oddball surfaces like Seth mentioned. I think the OSB wall was chosen to underline how strong/aggressive the PSA is on the back of the oblong item.

While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable

Pocket cuts in walls.

I once had to go to great lengths to secure the guide rail to make precise cuts in a wall on the hot set of a commercial. I had to use batons and sandbags and C-stands (and more sandbags) and use extra long rail to keep the extra stuff out of the way.

These green things would have been a huge help. The painters would have been ticked if the green things pulled the paint off the wall. Maybe a layer of blue tape would solve that.

Offline Peter_C

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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2021, 01:01 PM »
A couple of wood screws hold a rail nicely to the wall for cutouts. A couple of holes in rough construction make no difference.

I won't be buying new rails nor modifying my current rails. I could see the handle cutout being useful for some folks. The Sys-roll carries the rails around nicely after a modification, and moves a stack effortlessly.

Offline squall_line

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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2021, 01:18 PM »
The Sys-roll carries the rails around nicely after a modification, and moves a stack effortlessly.

I own two Sys Rolls, although for the time being I only use them for garage storage.  I was today years old when I learned that they have slots for rails on them (it's not even shown in the assembly manual).

I was also today years old when I learned you can stack systainers on them facing backwards to allow you to open a mid-stack systainer if desired.

Offline Peter_C

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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2021, 02:01 PM »
I own two Sys Rolls, although for the time being I only use them for garage storage.  I was today years old when I learned that they have slots for rails on them (it's not even shown in the assembly manual).
You will need to take a Dremel type tool and cut out the plastic rib that stops the rails from sliding in. I had to do it to both of my Sys-rolls at least.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2021, 02:41 PM »
While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable

I agree, it's probably of limited value for most folks, however maybe it does benefit someone that does a lot of solid surfacing or Corian work. I know I could have used it when I was cutting in a lot of HVAC openings in 3/4" thick wooden strip floors.

It would be interesting to know if Festool gives a load rating for those green rail attachments.  [tongue]
That's why I bought the Geckos. They are great for Corian and laminate countertops too. They even can take the side load of a router without moving. Occasionally I need to cut in a groove for glass tracks.
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2021, 03:00 PM »
I can't believe the thread has gone this far and no "comments" about holy rails here.

Festool clearly miss-understood what was being asked when folks said "make all rails holy".  But it brings up something interesting, as these will require additional manufacturing steps similar to making a rail holy.  So I have to wonder if this will be all rails, or if this will be for select rails, like the current holy ones.

It's a nice addition, might mess things up for folks who make custom length rails. 

Does anyone see anything about this that makes the new rail incompatible with the old, or is it just the old rail with lightness added? I wonder if this will come to N.A. or not, since the N.A. rails are now made in Indiana, they would have to add the machinery for this step.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2021, 03:14 PM »
But it brings up something interesting, as these will require additional manufacturing steps similar to making a rail holy.  So I have to wonder if this will be all rails, or if this will be for select rails, like the current holy ones.

Right now there are only 2 lengths available, a 1400 and a 1900.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2021, 03:32 PM »
But it brings up something interesting, as these will require additional manufacturing steps similar to making a rail holy.  So I have to wonder if this will be all rails, or if this will be for select rails, like the current holy ones.

Right now there are only 2 lengths available, a 1400 and a 1900.
  they also went from fs1400 to ks1400

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2021, 04:13 PM »
I got 'hands on' with most of these new things on Friday morning here in Helsinki.


The green stick fasteners are for temporarily fixing the rail to a surface (typically vertical).  They're not multi-use, but they do have their use.  The new rails are predrilled/countersunk to allow you bang in a few screws if required, to be absolutely certain the rail will go nowhere while doing a cut.  I don't see myself ever having a use for the feature, but I can definitely see it has high utility for those it's intended to suit.


The handle slot on the rail is brilliantly simple.  A good addition for sure for those times you're trying to just get in or out the door without fuss. 


The cam clamps fit into 20mm dog holes and work like a champ.  They're low profile and will clamp down on a rail from behind and let the body of the TS saws pass over them easily.  As a now fairly long time MFT user, they're top of my wish-list.  Simple and well made kit.  Grips like you know what on an army blanket.


The angled rail guide is interesting.  Complicated, more than I'd like to see to be honest, but I guess that's what comes with flexibility in use and lots of design engineering.  Something folks might like to hear is that the sprung latch is the same type as on the TSO/Festool rail square.  Don't rule out their availability in future in the US in some form.


The quick adjust 90 degree chuck for the new drills (also fits the T18+3) is another nice bit of kit.  Depending on street price, I could be tempted to get one also, although not something I'll have regular use for, so it's a maybe purchase.


As for the rail connectors, it's about bloody time.  Well made/designed item and I'll glad I'll be able to get rid of the old ones in the near future.  Does what it's supposed to without any faffing about.


The OF1010 REBQ was mentioned in the thread.  Supposedly available end of this month, but I'd expect August really before they're in stock for retail here in northern Europe.  No idea when it'll turn up in the US/RoW.  It's what we'd all expect at this stage as a tool.  The dual stanchion clamping is welcome, the depth adjuster is like on the OF1400 so that's good too and the dust port will let me move one step closer to ditching the hose ends to suit the old oval connections.  All in all, I'll be pleased to have mine delivered as soon as they stock in hand.  I got to mess around with one and like it.  Very familiar controls and some good improvements on the previous 1000/1010.
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2021, 05:58 PM »
But still no locks at 30/45/60?

Suggest you look again. 
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Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2021, 06:13 PM »


Edit:
Took some time, but looks someone finally listened - a hose guide compatible with FS/2!

FS/2-AW - part 204787:


Help me out here.  What's new about this one?
The current version is a relic from the older style rail system, which had only one rib/channel, it doesn't keep the cable from catching in the channel with the opening at the top. link

Offline Bob D.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2021, 07:03 PM »
I'm thinking those green oblong stickies are 1-time use only for adhering the rails to oddball surfaces like Seth mentioned. I think the OSB wall was chosen to underline how strong/aggressive the PSA is on the back of the oblong item.

While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable

Pocket cuts in walls.

I once had to go to great lengths to secure the guide rail to make precise cuts in a wall on the hot set of a commercial. I had to use batons and sandbags and C-stands (and more sandbags) and use extra long rail to keep the extra stuff out of the way.

These green things would have been a huge help. The painters would have been ticked if the green things pulled the paint off the wall. Maybe a layer of blue tape would solve that.

Or a vacuum clamping accessory. Do they still make the Gecko?
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Offline Coen

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2021, 07:26 PM »
Ahaa. So the smaller holes for storing them and the big hole to have a Systainer handle stick through?

The FS-WA being a new version of the FS-KS? But still no locks at 30/45/60?

The picture of the FS-WA appears to have detents at 30, 45, and 60.

Yup, you are right. I was looking elsewhere. But they are really minimalistic lol.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2021, 07:36 PM »

Or a vacuum clamping accessory. Do they still make the Gecko?

I have had mine about 6 months, so I would assume that they are still available?
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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2021, 08:49 PM »
Yes, I purchased another Gecko about 2 weeks ago.

Offline mino

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2021, 04:13 AM »
Or a vacuum clamping accessory. Do they still make the Gecko?
Gecko will not work on uneven surfaces and will not make the rail "stick" to the wall as it holds it just by the rib.

I see use here for already-finished-wall-needing-a-precise-cut-out. Think your $5M mansion having specially crafted, possibly hand-painted, wall in the living space and wanting to install something inside it like a TV etc.

Screws are a no-go as you would have to re-do the whole wall. Up to now the only option was two helpers holding the rail.
I see this as one of those tools which are an absolute must if you are the target while being mostly useless for 99% of folks. It does not compromise the rail otherwise, so why not. Plus it gives Festool something patent-able for next 20 yrs to brag about ...
[cool]

I can see Festool migrating the 1400/1900 rails to be like this over time and discontinuing the "plain" ones. Finally something why one should consider buying non-holy rails.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2021, 06:49 AM »
"Gecko will not work on uneven surfaces and will not make the rail "stick" to the wall as it holds it just by the rib."
 
I understand how the Gecko works and requires a smooth surface and that it does not make use of a vacuum pump. I was asking if it was still available.

The first part of my post was intended to imply that use of a vacuum powered clamp accessory might work. Depending on the surface of course.

On drywall I have many times cut openings of various sizes using nothing more than a straight edge and a razor knife. Some of those have been big enough to allow a person to crawl through or to install a 24x24" access door in a ceiling. It takes little time and makes little mess if any. Before you could finish thinking about how you would hang a track on the wall you can have the opening cut. And using a track saw on the ceiling does not sound clean, easy, or fun.
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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2021, 09:48 AM »
The first part of my post was intended to imply that use of a vacuum powered clamp accessory might work. Depending on the surface of course.

The best vacuum system for track saws that I'm aware of is the Mafell Aerofix. In one of my earlier posts I was going to cheekily suggest that the green attachments was Festool's answer to the Aerofix.  [smile]

https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-aerofix-f-af-1-suction-clamping-system


Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2021, 05:38 PM »

using a track saw on the ceiling does not sound clean, easy, or fun.
Sounds like some really bad planning and probably an OSHA violation.
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Offline tsmi243

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2021, 05:50 PM »

using a track saw on the ceiling does not sound clean, easy, or fun.
Sounds like some really bad planning and probably an OSHA violation.

I've done it.  It's even worse than you're imagining

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2021, 06:10 PM »

using a track saw on the ceiling does not sound clean, easy, or fun.
Sounds like some really bad planning and probably an OSHA violation.

I've done it.  It's even worse than you're imagining

I'll take your word on that. I don't want any part of it, don't even want to watch....lol
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Offline Peter_C

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2021, 09:14 PM »
Since the Gecko's are of top quality, they tend to stay stuck on when placed on a clean smooth surface. I've found I use my Gecko's for moving glass and other items far more than cutting Corian, which just shows I don't do Corian very often. The Gecko's work perfect for windshields, holding up windows up while replacing regulators, moving mirrors around, glazing shower glass, replacing house windows, etc. So far if everything is clean I have never had one slip, but that is always a fear when moving around expensive windows/sliders.

My favorite tool for cutting drywall in old construction is simply an M12 multi-tool. Apply suction and it can rip a pretty clean cut quickly and easily, but not quietly.

If you must use a track saw and can't attach it to a $5 million mansion wall...well attach it to the part you are cutting out. There are many types of drywall anchors out there, and I would imagine most own a drill bit set for drilling new holes in the rail. Think "inside" the box. LOL

Obviously Mafell wins for the rail clamping system let alone their rails...along with other things.

Offline mino

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2021, 09:35 PM »
The best vacuum system for track saws that I'm aware of is the Mafell Aerofix. In one of my earlier posts I was going to cheekily suggest that the green attachments was Festool's answer to the Aerofix.  [smile]

https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-aerofix-f-af-1-suction-clamping-system
That is a really nice piece of kit!

Only two "issues" with it:
On a horizontal surface, like a floor pictured, I would simply use Festool rail /with three "pad" strips/ which grip way better than the Bosh/Maffel rails do.

On vertical surface, you are missing the "other" suction point at the end of the rail so no luck most of the time. But still way better than normal FS/2. With one end fixed, one can at least hold the rail by one hand while guiding the saw by the other.

Again coming back to my original point:
If you need it, you already know it and have a back-order in place ... If you do not, look elsewhere.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2021, 10:38 PM »
Only two "issues" with it:
1. On a horizontal surface, like a floor pictured, I would simply use Festool rail /with three "pad" strips/ which grip way better than the Bosh/Maffel rails do.

2. On vertical surface, you are missing the "other" suction point at the end of the rail so no luck most of the time. But still way better than normal FS/2. With one end fixed, one can at least hold the rail by one hand while guiding the saw by the other.

1. Ya but with the Mafell Aerofix system, you're not relying on the pad strips for gripping, you're relying on the vacuum created by the dust collector. That's probably 10X the grip exerted by the foam strips. If truth be told, it's probably greater than if the rail was clamped down with traditional clamps as the clamps secure the rail in localized areas whereas the vacuum secures the rail along its entire length.

2. There is no "other suction point" the suction is continuous along the entire length of the Mafell rail. There's no need to hold an end of the rail up.

Offline amcore

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2021, 07:37 AM »
This are new to! Limited ratchet Systainer!  [big grin]
Festool addicted!

Offline mino

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2021, 08:16 AM »
1. Ya but with the Mafell Aerofix system, you're not relying on the pad strips for gripping, you're relying on the vacuum created by the dust collector. That's probably 10X the grip exerted by the foam strips. If truth be told, it's probably greater than if the rail was clamped down with traditional clamps as the clamps secure the rail in localized areas whereas the vacuum secures the rail along its entire length.

2. There is no "other suction point" the suction is continuous along the entire length of the Mafell rail. There's no need to hold an end of the rail up.
Thanks, did not search for videos so /incorrectly/ assumed it is a point system only. Looks really good. Now it makes total sense why they did not really bother with the anti-slip pads that much. Strange is not mentioned anywhere even during the saw reviews.

Maffel (and Bosch) could really do with some proper marketing. I have seen all kinds of reasons why the Maffel track system is "better" yet none was really convincing until this one. A proper "killer" feature.
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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2021, 08:21 AM »
This are new to! Limited ratchet Systainer!  [big grin]

Judging by the shape of the handle these are probably produced by FELO.
FELO, WERA and WIHA have all produced Festool branded bits and hand tools in the past.
Personally I prefer the WIHA handles, but the quality of the tools of all 3 brands is very high I find.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2021, 09:31 AM »
This are new to! Limited ratchet Systainer!  [big grin]


oooooh.

i might have one of them.  in a blue systainer too................................................................

and it looks like i wera handle, which is my prefered grip
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Offline Spandex

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2021, 09:39 AM »
Annoying that the phone charger USB output is limited to 5V@2.4A. My TS80 soldering iron needs QC3.0 with a minimum 9V@2A, but it would have been great to be able to power that from a Festool battery.

I get that for phones, 2.4A is fine for charging, and that's what this is designed for - but it would make it so much more flexible if it had a high powered QC or even PD output.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2021, 04:24 PM »
i found some videos with the new stuff – but i understand no word.






Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2021, 07:12 PM »
This are new to! Limited ratchet Systainer!  [big grin]


oooooh.

i might have one of them.  in a blue systainer too................................................................

and it looks like i wera handle, which is my prefered grip

But, once again, US market?
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Offline jarbroen

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2021, 11:32 AM »
Speaking of US Market - I wonder how long before we'd get the new rail connectors and that hold down(if they are coming here).
Seems like it's several months to a year after we hear about stuff in Europe before it shows up in the US.

I've thought about picking up the new TSC and switching back to Festool for tracks, but the current rail connectors are a big detractor.
Quickly and accurately joining rails is one of the reasons I like the Mafell/Bosch system better.

A few people mentioned the Aerofix.  It's a really cool method for sticking rails to your work, but I don't think it would be a good option for vertical surfaces.  For the rails to stick, the vacuum has to be on.  Plus, you have the saw connected to the Aerofix by a hose.
Sounds a lot more cumbersome than the FS rail with some sticky strips.  Line up the splinter guide and slap the rail on the wall.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2021, 02:46 AM »

The slots on the new rails let you hang them on adhesive clips on the wall or transport over a systainer handle.

There's new self aligning guide rail connectors, a new guide rail angle attachment as well.

Thanks for that Matt...I saw a photo of the new rails and wondered about the slots. The new rail connector reminds me of the Mafell version.

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About those new slots in the racks:   We could also use them to hang our racks on the wall, similar to the FastCap Stabila level rack accessory ( https://www.fastcap.com/product/level-rack )
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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2021, 01:32 PM »
This are new to! Limited ratchet Systainer!  [big grin]

Limited to boost sales?  [wink]

Not buying btw. It's also missing the T-handle in both sizes.

Offline Coen

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #68 on: July 15, 2021, 01:39 PM »


He never shows how to adjust the angle  [sad]

Offline JimH2

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #69 on: July 15, 2021, 04:39 PM »
Mafell has a different target customer and not one who wants one with 1000's of accessories. Plus those taken aback with Festool prices will be taken farther aback with Mafell pricing. I have several of their tools and am happy with all of them. For US customers there is only one distributor and they do not honor the 3-year warranty offered by Mafell in the UK/EU.  I do not have the Aerofix, but have eyed it up. There is no question that the Mafell rail design is superior to Festool with regard to the connector. I realize there are aftermarket gadgets that make connecting less hit or miss, however they will never match Mafell's unless they are redesigned.

I'd encourage anyone to try out their saws and rail system.


1. Ya but with the Mafell Aerofix system, you're not relying on the pad strips for gripping, you're relying on the vacuum created by the dust collector. That's probably 10X the grip exerted by the foam strips. If truth be told, it's probably greater than if the rail was clamped down with traditional clamps as the clamps secure the rail in localized areas whereas the vacuum secures the rail along its entire length.

2. There is no "other suction point" the suction is continuous along the entire length of the Mafell rail. There's no need to hold an end of the rail up.
Thanks, did not search for videos so /incorrectly/ assumed it is a point system only. Looks really good. Now it makes total sense why they did not really bother with the anti-slip pads that much. Strange is not mentioned anywhere even during the saw reviews.

Maffel (and Bosch) could really do with some proper marketing. I have seen all kinds of reasons why the Maffel track system is "better" yet none was really convincing until this one. A proper "killer" feature.

Offline Coen

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #70 on: July 15, 2021, 05:19 PM »
Well, some grass might always be greener somewhere else, but at what cost? I'm not gonna buy a Mafell saw and rails and then having to carry around two different types of rail. My jigsaw, my track saw, my routers, the LR-32 set; all use the same Festool rail. I don't see Mafell offering anything to compete with the OF 1010 or OF 1400, so their saw be damned.

Same went in reverse for me with the battery powered stuff. Festool had nothing to offer like Bosch had with the GSR 18v-60 and it's anti-kickback function. Using the hole saw above your head in ceilings... that function is awesome.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #71 on: July 23, 2021, 11:31 AM »
Also new:

clamping systainer
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phone charger
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wpz

Woo.. I wonder when the clamping systainer will be available in NA.