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Offline tsmi243

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2021, 11:34 AM »


Edit:
Took some time, but looks someone finally listened - a hose guide compatible with FS/2!

FS/2-AW - part 204787:

Help me out here.  What's new about this one? 

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2021, 11:48 AM »
I'm thinking those green oblong stickies are 1-time use only for adhering the rails to oddball surfaces like Seth mentioned. I think the OSB wall was chosen to underline how strong/aggressive the PSA is on the back of the oblong item.

While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable
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Offline Cheese

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2021, 12:11 PM »
While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable

I agree, it's probably of limited value for most folks, however maybe it does benefit someone that does a lot of solid surfacing or Corian work. I know I could have used it when I was cutting in a lot of HVAC openings in 3/4" thick wooden strip floors.

It would be interesting to know if Festool gives a load rating for those green rail attachments.  [tongue]

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2021, 12:30 PM »
MFT-HZ 80 577132..... [eek]


Those hold down clamps are interesting.

Yes, kinda of a modern take-off on hold-fasts which I find indispensable in my work.

And these old school cam clamps.


Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2021, 12:43 PM »
I'm thinking those green oblong stickies are 1-time use only for adhering the rails to oddball surfaces like Seth mentioned. I think the OSB wall was chosen to underline how strong/aggressive the PSA is on the back of the oblong item.

While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable

Pocket cuts in walls.

I once had to go to great lengths to secure the guide rail to make precise cuts in a wall on the hot set of a commercial. I had to use batons and sandbags and C-stands (and more sandbags) and use extra long rail to keep the extra stuff out of the way.

These green things would have been a huge help. The painters would have been ticked if the green things pulled the paint off the wall. Maybe a layer of blue tape would solve that.

Offline Peter_C

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2021, 01:01 PM »
A couple of wood screws hold a rail nicely to the wall for cutouts. A couple of holes in rough construction make no difference.

I won't be buying new rails nor modifying my current rails. I could see the handle cutout being useful for some folks. The Sys-roll carries the rails around nicely after a modification, and moves a stack effortlessly.

Offline squall_line

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2021, 01:18 PM »
The Sys-roll carries the rails around nicely after a modification, and moves a stack effortlessly.

I own two Sys Rolls, although for the time being I only use them for garage storage.  I was today years old when I learned that they have slots for rails on them (it's not even shown in the assembly manual).

I was also today years old when I learned you can stack systainers on them facing backwards to allow you to open a mid-stack systainer if desired.

Offline Peter_C

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2021, 02:01 PM »
I own two Sys Rolls, although for the time being I only use them for garage storage.  I was today years old when I learned that they have slots for rails on them (it's not even shown in the assembly manual).
You will need to take a Dremel type tool and cut out the plastic rib that stops the rails from sliding in. I had to do it to both of my Sys-rolls at least.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2021, 02:41 PM »
While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable

I agree, it's probably of limited value for most folks, however maybe it does benefit someone that does a lot of solid surfacing or Corian work. I know I could have used it when I was cutting in a lot of HVAC openings in 3/4" thick wooden strip floors.

It would be interesting to know if Festool gives a load rating for those green rail attachments.  [tongue]
That's why I bought the Geckos. They are great for Corian and laminate countertops too. They even can take the side load of a router without moving. Occasionally I need to cut in a groove for glass tracks.
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2021, 03:00 PM »
I can't believe the thread has gone this far and no "comments" about holy rails here.

Festool clearly miss-understood what was being asked when folks said "make all rails holy".  But it brings up something interesting, as these will require additional manufacturing steps similar to making a rail holy.  So I have to wonder if this will be all rails, or if this will be for select rails, like the current holy ones.

It's a nice addition, might mess things up for folks who make custom length rails. 

Does anyone see anything about this that makes the new rail incompatible with the old, or is it just the old rail with lightness added? I wonder if this will come to N.A. or not, since the N.A. rails are now made in Indiana, they would have to add the machinery for this step.

Offline Cheese

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2021, 03:14 PM »
But it brings up something interesting, as these will require additional manufacturing steps similar to making a rail holy.  So I have to wonder if this will be all rails, or if this will be for select rails, like the current holy ones.

Right now there are only 2 lengths available, a 1400 and a 1900.

Offline guybo

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2021, 03:32 PM »
But it brings up something interesting, as these will require additional manufacturing steps similar to making a rail holy.  So I have to wonder if this will be all rails, or if this will be for select rails, like the current holy ones.

Right now there are only 2 lengths available, a 1400 and a 1900.
  they also went from fs1400 to ks1400

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2021, 04:13 PM »
I got 'hands on' with most of these new things on Friday morning here in Helsinki.


The green stick fasteners are for temporarily fixing the rail to a surface (typically vertical).  They're not multi-use, but they do have their use.  The new rails are predrilled/countersunk to allow you bang in a few screws if required, to be absolutely certain the rail will go nowhere while doing a cut.  I don't see myself ever having a use for the feature, but I can definitely see it has high utility for those it's intended to suit.


The handle slot on the rail is brilliantly simple.  A good addition for sure for those times you're trying to just get in or out the door without fuss. 


The cam clamps fit into 20mm dog holes and work like a champ.  They're low profile and will clamp down on a rail from behind and let the body of the TS saws pass over them easily.  As a now fairly long time MFT user, they're top of my wish-list.  Simple and well made kit.  Grips like you know what on an army blanket.


The angled rail guide is interesting.  Complicated, more than I'd like to see to be honest, but I guess that's what comes with flexibility in use and lots of design engineering.  Something folks might like to hear is that the sprung latch is the same type as on the TSO/Festool rail square.  Don't rule out their availability in future in the US in some form.


The quick adjust 90 degree chuck for the new drills (also fits the T18+3) is another nice bit of kit.  Depending on street price, I could be tempted to get one also, although not something I'll have regular use for, so it's a maybe purchase.


As for the rail connectors, it's about bloody time.  Well made/designed item and I'll glad I'll be able to get rid of the old ones in the near future.  Does what it's supposed to without any faffing about.


The OF1010 REBQ was mentioned in the thread.  Supposedly available end of this month, but I'd expect August really before they're in stock for retail here in northern Europe.  No idea when it'll turn up in the US/RoW.  It's what we'd all expect at this stage as a tool.  The dual stanchion clamping is welcome, the depth adjuster is like on the OF1400 so that's good too and the dust port will let me move one step closer to ditching the hose ends to suit the old oval connections.  All in all, I'll be pleased to have mine delivered as soon as they stock in hand.  I got to mess around with one and like it.  Very familiar controls and some good improvements on the previous 1000/1010.
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2021, 05:58 PM »
But still no locks at 30/45/60?

Suggest you look again. 
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Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2021, 06:13 PM »


Edit:
Took some time, but looks someone finally listened - a hose guide compatible with FS/2!

FS/2-AW - part 204787:


Help me out here.  What's new about this one?
The current version is a relic from the older style rail system, which had only one rib/channel, it doesn't keep the cable from catching in the channel with the opening at the top. link

Offline Bob D.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2021, 07:03 PM »
I'm thinking those green oblong stickies are 1-time use only for adhering the rails to oddball surfaces like Seth mentioned. I think the OSB wall was chosen to underline how strong/aggressive the PSA is on the back of the oblong item.

While I like the idea of that, I see it as a very limited use thing. How many times would this really be a thing? Between the under-rail clamps, the end to end pistol-grip clamps and even the Gecko suction cups, I haven't come across a situation were it would be that important, certainly not enough to consider buying new rails to get it. Plus it introduces another consumable

Pocket cuts in walls.

I once had to go to great lengths to secure the guide rail to make precise cuts in a wall on the hot set of a commercial. I had to use batons and sandbags and C-stands (and more sandbags) and use extra long rail to keep the extra stuff out of the way.

These green things would have been a huge help. The painters would have been ticked if the green things pulled the paint off the wall. Maybe a layer of blue tape would solve that.

Or a vacuum clamping accessory. Do they still make the Gecko?
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Offline Coen

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2021, 07:26 PM »
Ahaa. So the smaller holes for storing them and the big hole to have a Systainer handle stick through?

The FS-WA being a new version of the FS-KS? But still no locks at 30/45/60?

The picture of the FS-WA appears to have detents at 30, 45, and 60.

Yup, you are right. I was looking elsewhere. But they are really minimalistic lol.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2021, 07:36 PM »

Or a vacuum clamping accessory. Do they still make the Gecko?

I have had mine about 6 months, so I would assume that they are still available?
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Offline Cheese

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2021, 08:49 PM »
Yes, I purchased another Gecko about 2 weeks ago.

Offline mino

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2021, 04:13 AM »
Or a vacuum clamping accessory. Do they still make the Gecko?
Gecko will not work on uneven surfaces and will not make the rail "stick" to the wall as it holds it just by the rib.

I see use here for already-finished-wall-needing-a-precise-cut-out. Think your $5M mansion having specially crafted, possibly hand-painted, wall in the living space and wanting to install something inside it like a TV etc.

Screws are a no-go as you would have to re-do the whole wall. Up to now the only option was two helpers holding the rail.
I see this as one of those tools which are an absolute must if you are the target while being mostly useless for 99% of folks. It does not compromise the rail otherwise, so why not. Plus it gives Festool something patent-able for next 20 yrs to brag about ...
[cool]

I can see Festool migrating the 1400/1900 rails to be like this over time and discontinuing the "plain" ones. Finally something why one should consider buying non-holy rails.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2021, 06:49 AM »
"Gecko will not work on uneven surfaces and will not make the rail "stick" to the wall as it holds it just by the rib."
 
I understand how the Gecko works and requires a smooth surface and that it does not make use of a vacuum pump. I was asking if it was still available.

The first part of my post was intended to imply that use of a vacuum powered clamp accessory might work. Depending on the surface of course.

On drywall I have many times cut openings of various sizes using nothing more than a straight edge and a razor knife. Some of those have been big enough to allow a person to crawl through or to install a 24x24" access door in a ceiling. It takes little time and makes little mess if any. Before you could finish thinking about how you would hang a track on the wall you can have the opening cut. And using a track saw on the ceiling does not sound clean, easy, or fun.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2021, 09:48 AM »
The first part of my post was intended to imply that use of a vacuum powered clamp accessory might work. Depending on the surface of course.

The best vacuum system for track saws that I'm aware of is the Mafell Aerofix. In one of my earlier posts I was going to cheekily suggest that the green attachments was Festool's answer to the Aerofix.  [smile]

https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-aerofix-f-af-1-suction-clamping-system


Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2021, 05:38 PM »

using a track saw on the ceiling does not sound clean, easy, or fun.
Sounds like some really bad planning and probably an OSHA violation.
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Offline tsmi243

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2021, 05:50 PM »

using a track saw on the ceiling does not sound clean, easy, or fun.
Sounds like some really bad planning and probably an OSHA violation.

I've done it.  It's even worse than you're imagining

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2021, 06:10 PM »

using a track saw on the ceiling does not sound clean, easy, or fun.
Sounds like some really bad planning and probably an OSHA violation.

I've done it.  It's even worse than you're imagining

I'll take your word on that. I don't want any part of it, don't even want to watch....lol
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Offline Peter_C

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2021, 09:14 PM »
Since the Gecko's are of top quality, they tend to stay stuck on when placed on a clean smooth surface. I've found I use my Gecko's for moving glass and other items far more than cutting Corian, which just shows I don't do Corian very often. The Gecko's work perfect for windshields, holding up windows up while replacing regulators, moving mirrors around, glazing shower glass, replacing house windows, etc. So far if everything is clean I have never had one slip, but that is always a fear when moving around expensive windows/sliders.

My favorite tool for cutting drywall in old construction is simply an M12 multi-tool. Apply suction and it can rip a pretty clean cut quickly and easily, but not quietly.

If you must use a track saw and can't attach it to a $5 million mansion wall...well attach it to the part you are cutting out. There are many types of drywall anchors out there, and I would imagine most own a drill bit set for drilling new holes in the rail. Think "inside" the box. LOL

Obviously Mafell wins for the rail clamping system let alone their rails...along with other things.

Offline mino

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2021, 09:35 PM »
The best vacuum system for track saws that I'm aware of is the Mafell Aerofix. In one of my earlier posts I was going to cheekily suggest that the green attachments was Festool's answer to the Aerofix.  [smile]

https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-aerofix-f-af-1-suction-clamping-system
That is a really nice piece of kit!

Only two "issues" with it:
On a horizontal surface, like a floor pictured, I would simply use Festool rail /with three "pad" strips/ which grip way better than the Bosh/Maffel rails do.

On vertical surface, you are missing the "other" suction point at the end of the rail so no luck most of the time. But still way better than normal FS/2. With one end fixed, one can at least hold the rail by one hand while guiding the saw by the other.

Again coming back to my original point:
If you need it, you already know it and have a back-order in place ... If you do not, look elsewhere.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2021, 10:38 PM »
Only two "issues" with it:
1. On a horizontal surface, like a floor pictured, I would simply use Festool rail /with three "pad" strips/ which grip way better than the Bosh/Maffel rails do.

2. On vertical surface, you are missing the "other" suction point at the end of the rail so no luck most of the time. But still way better than normal FS/2. With one end fixed, one can at least hold the rail by one hand while guiding the saw by the other.

1. Ya but with the Mafell Aerofix system, you're not relying on the pad strips for gripping, you're relying on the vacuum created by the dust collector. That's probably 10X the grip exerted by the foam strips. If truth be told, it's probably greater than if the rail was clamped down with traditional clamps as the clamps secure the rail in localized areas whereas the vacuum secures the rail along its entire length.

2. There is no "other suction point" the suction is continuous along the entire length of the Mafell rail. There's no need to hold an end of the rail up.

Offline amcore

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Re: New Festool Stuff discovered !
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2021, 07:37 AM »
This are new to! Limited ratchet Systainer!  [big grin]
Festool addicted!

Offline mino

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« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2021, 08:16 AM »
1. Ya but with the Mafell Aerofix system, you're not relying on the pad strips for gripping, you're relying on the vacuum created by the dust collector. That's probably 10X the grip exerted by the foam strips. If truth be told, it's probably greater than if the rail was clamped down with traditional clamps as the clamps secure the rail in localized areas whereas the vacuum secures the rail along its entire length.

2. There is no "other suction point" the suction is continuous along the entire length of the Mafell rail. There's no need to hold an end of the rail up.
Thanks, did not search for videos so /incorrectly/ assumed it is a point system only. Looks really good. Now it makes total sense why they did not really bother with the anti-slip pads that much. Strange is not mentioned anywhere even during the saw reviews.

Maffel (and Bosch) could really do with some proper marketing. I have seen all kinds of reasons why the Maffel track system is "better" yet none was really convincing until this one. A proper "killer" feature.
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