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Offline mino

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #90 on: January 01, 2021, 08:43 AM »
Just because I like to complicate matters I went the other way and changed my order to a CT 26.  I recently bought a Bosch Glide Mitre Saw that I will also use with the new vac.
I would advise to get the Bluetooth control module + remote for it if budget allows for the CT26.

You will only realize how useful and indispensable that little thing is once you have used it ...

CT15 is great value, but with no Bluetooth, no stand, no Systainer stacking and not manual filter clean, etc. it is geared more to the "dedicated static vac for a Mittresaw/worktable/etc." where those features would be wasted. It is a good value as a secondary semi-static vac. But would not go for it for a "do-it-all" main vac role.
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Offline hammy

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2021, 08:38 PM »
It's worse than waiting for Santa to arrive .....  Come on ETS EC 125 and CT 26!

Offline mkasdin

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2021, 08:56 PM »
Just because I like to complicate matters I went the other way and changed my order to a CT 26.  I recently bought a Bosch Glide Mitre Saw that I will also use with the new vac.
I would advise to get the Bluetooth control module + remote for it if budget allows for the CT26.

You will only realize how useful and indispensable that little thing is once you have used it ...

CT15 is great value, but with no Bluetooth, no stand, no Systainer stacking and not manual filter clean, etc. it is geared more to the "dedicated static vac for a Mittresaw/worktable/etc." where those features would be wasted. It is a good value as a secondary semi-static vac. But would not go for it for a "do-it-all" main vac role.
I use that ct-15 vac 95% of the time. The midi is the show horse and lives in a closet. I do remodeling and such so  the brunt of abuse goes to the cheaper vacuum. I would go with the cheaper 15 and putting the $400 savings into a Festool tool. I think it’s money well spent and should serve you well for the next 3-5 years. I basically wanted two vacuums I don’t have to cart vacuums around to two job sites.

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #93 on: January 26, 2021, 09:24 AM »
It's a happy day today at my house!!!

Offline ender

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #94 on: May 22, 2022, 11:30 PM »
I am glad to have read this thread. I am pondering my first foray into festool too and am leaning towards the ETS EC 125/3 myself with the 6" adapter :)


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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #95 on: May 23, 2022, 05:54 AM »
Congrats @hammy on your purchase.

The CT36 and the RO-125 were what got me started with Festool over 10 years ago.

I came for the sander and stuck around once I saw the value of the rest of their great lineup of tools.
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Offline Steve1

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #96 on: May 23, 2022, 07:10 AM »
I am glad to have read this thread. I am pondering my first foray into festool too and am leaning towards the ETS EC 125/3 myself with the 6" adapter

That would be a pretty good general purpose sander.  I have the ETS EC125/3.
More of a finish sander than for doing serious material removal. 
Excellent surface finish results.

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #97 on: May 23, 2022, 07:12 AM »
I am glad to have read this thread. I am pondering my first foray into festool too and am leaning towards the ETS EC 125/3 myself with the 6" adapter

That would be a pretty good general purpose sander.  I have the ETS EC125/3.
More of a finish sander than for doing serious material removal. 
Excellent surface finish results.  But I hope you have a dust extractor to attach to it --- I think that is one of the prime reasons for the nice finish -- the efficient clearing of the dust.

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #98 on: May 23, 2022, 08:06 AM »
Snip. I use that ct-15 vac 95% of the time. The midi is the show horse and lives in a closet. I do remodeling and such so  the brunt of abuse goes to the cheaper vacuum. I would go with the cheaper 15 and putting the $400 savings into a Festool tool. I think it’s money well spent and should serve you well for the next 3-5 years. I basically wanted two vacuums I don’t have to cart vacuums around to two job sites.

$400 difference? I'm glad I got the CT 15 (for my Pro5Ltd sanders, DF500 and general uses, such as cleaning the bench top). I don't need the anti-static hose or the BT (the auto switch is what matters). I was a previous CT 26 (old model) owner, and find the CT 15 (by my workbench so its control is an arm away) a good complement to 4 other shop vacs (with HEPA filters/ dust deputy for 2 of them) in my shop.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2022, 09:24 PM by ChuckS »

Offline hammy

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #99 on: May 23, 2022, 08:23 AM »
Just as an update after over a year of use I love the Festool sander and dust collection.  The dust collection also works with my Bosche mitre saw as well and since I am only using it for sanding and the mitre saw so I am not using many bags.  The dust collection is great and the sander is awesome.  Even on some messy wood it has worked well. I managed to flatten a very large uneven (due to my not great glue up) walnut end grain cutting board, it took a while but I got it perfectly flat. I really don't feel like I need to buy any more sanders, the ETS EC 125 does it all for me!

Offline ender

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #100 on: May 23, 2022, 09:22 AM »
Good to hear it :)

What does the EQ+plus mean for the ETC EC125?

I'm tempted to get that, the 6" adapter, and the CT36.

Offline mino

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #101 on: May 23, 2022, 12:10 PM »
Good to hear it :)

What does the EQ+plus mean for the ETC EC125?

I'm tempted to get that, the 6" adapter, and the CT36.
"Plus" means it ships in a Systainer for most /all?/ Festools.

For ETS EC series, being the high-end offering, I do not believe there is a "non-Plus" packaging option. Other sanders like the ETS 125 do ship as "non-plus" in cardboard in some markets.

ADD:
E - full-wave electronics, means the tool is detecting loads and attemps to maintain constant speed irrespective of load /most Festools today, was a pretty unique feature in the 90s though/
Q - adjustable speed
« Last Edit: May 23, 2022, 12:14 PM by mino »
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Offline ender

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #102 on: May 23, 2022, 04:42 PM »
Awesome! I think I'll be getting of those. Many thanks to @hammy for starting this thread and all you fine folks who participated so I could lurk and just decide base on this thread :)

Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #103 on: May 23, 2022, 05:27 PM »
Mirka 5650CV Deros + Abranet.

That is all.

Next ............
« Last Edit: May 23, 2022, 05:30 PM by woodbutcherbower »

Offline ender

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #104 on: May 23, 2022, 07:49 PM »
What part # is the 6" sanding disc that fits the 5" sander?

I'm trying to decide why not just getting the ETS EC 150/3 instead - it's not that much more by the time you consider the cost of the plate into the 5" one.

But if the plates are the same it'd mean the internals are mostly the same right? I guess I'm confused.

Offline hammy

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #105 on: May 23, 2022, 07:51 PM »
What part # is the 6" sanding disc that fits the 5" sander?

I'm trying to decide why not just getting the ETS EC 150/3 instead - it's not that much more by the time you consider the cost of the plate into the 5" one.

But if the plates are the same it'd mean the internals are mostly the same right? I guess I'm confused.

You can always upsize but you can't downsize is my understanding and I think the 5" is more nimble.  I've never felt like I wanted a bigger disc size.

Offline ender

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #106 on: May 23, 2022, 07:52 PM »
I just really like the 6" mirka discs :)

What have you been using @hammy?

edit: oh I'm retarded. they make 5" versions too ahahhahahahahahahahaha

Offline mino

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #107 on: May 24, 2022, 05:44 AM »
What part # is the 6" sanding disc that fits the 5" sander?
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125mm pads /without "wing" detents/ - work with ETS EC 125/3, WTS 150/7 (EOL)
https://www.festool.de/zubehoer?mainChapter=26431f61-1243-939b-88f0-06207b4a7b41&chapter=b5431f61-f94c-ee2c-5867-5d7858fb81d0&productChapter=82431f61-87e3-af1c-dac5-2835f4464986&excludeInactiveProducts=True&accessoryCategory=Schleifteller

150mm pads /with "wing" detents/ - work with ETS EC 125/3, ETS 150/3, ETS 150/5, WTS 150/7 (EOL), ETS EC 150/3 and ETS EC 150/5
https://www.festool.de/zubehoer?mainChapter=26431f61-1243-939b-88f0-06207b4a7b41&chapter=b5431f61-f94c-ee2c-5867-5d7858fb81d0&productChapter=ce431f61-3a1c-cb0c-5265-956452440bde&excludeInactiveProducts=True&accessoryCategory=Schleifteller


The /newer/ Festool 150 sanders have "wings" on the shaft which additionally fixes the pad. This, in theory, provides for a more secure interface for heavy/rough work. It also prevents installing the respective 125 pads /without detents/ on most of the 150 mm sanders.

The wings are not really necessary - even the "heavy removal" WTS 150/7 does not have them - for "sane" usage of the sander. So it makes sense to get the 125/3 as it gives you the 125 mm pad option. The ETS 125/3 is currently the only Festool sander which works with their "main" series 150mm pads yet accepts its own 125 mm pads for it. From past models the /rare/ WTS150/7 also has no wings and can take those 125 mm pads as well.

Take note the ETS/ETSC 125 series use a completely different pad interface. Above is specific to the ETS EC 125.
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Offline ender

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #108 on: May 25, 2022, 09:56 AM »
This thread convinced me to go pick up the ETS EC 125/3 and a CT26 dust collector yesterday from Rockler.

I didn't get a lot of chance to use it last night but on a 2x4 I sat on a sweatshirt (mainly testing the dust collection) I was amazed at how little dust got onto the sweatshirt.

Going to be a happy festool user!

Thanks again @hammy for starting this thread. It was super useful to me.

Offline hammy

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #109 on: May 25, 2022, 06:14 PM »
This thread convinced me to go pick up the ETS EC 125/3 and a CT26 dust collector yesterday from Rockler.

I didn't get a lot of chance to use it last night but on a 2x4 I sat on a sweatshirt (mainly testing the dust collection) I was amazed at how little dust got onto the sweatshirt.

Going to be a happy festool user!

Thanks again @hammy for starting this thread. It was super useful to me.

That's great to hear, I'm sure you won't be disappointed! I think for the home hobbyist it's all you'll ever need.

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #110 on: June 10, 2022, 10:47 PM »
I was originally going to get the ETS 125 and CT15 as my first sander and extractor combo.  After reading this thread I've decided to get the ETS EC 125 as my first sander.  I had also decided that bluetooth and anti-static hose was important to me and I'm going to  move up to the mini.

What I'm confused about is the amount of guidance to move up to the CT26 and I'm not sure why.   I'm planning to pair the extractor with a separator so I don't think capacity will be an issue.   I don't intend to put a work center on it and we don't really have the same ratings in Canada as they do in the EU.   With that being said am I missing something on why one should go up to the CT26 over the mini or even the midi?

Much appreciated.

Offline hammy

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2022, 07:47 AM »
I was originally going to get the ETS 125 and CT15 as my first sander and extractor combo.  After reading this thread I've decided to get the ETS EC 125 as my first sander.  I had also decided that bluetooth and anti-static hose was important to me and I'm going to  move up to the mini.

What I'm confused about is the amount of guidance to move up to the CT26 and I'm not sure why.   I'm planning to pair the extractor with a separator so I don't think capacity will be an issue.   I don't intend to put a work center on it and we don't really have the same ratings in Canada as they do in the EU.   With that being said am I missing something on why one should go up to the CT26 over the mini or even the midi?

Much appreciated.

Mike I think for me it was just that I was already spending a ridiculous amount of money on dust collection so why not just get the bigger one that I could stack my sander on.  I only use it for my sander and mitre saw so the bag never fills up.

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2022, 09:55 AM »
I was originally going to get the ETS 125 and CT15 as my first sander and extractor combo.  After reading this thread I've decided to get the ETS EC 125 as my first sander.  I had also decided that bluetooth and anti-static hose was important to me and I'm going to  move up to the mini.

What I'm confused about is the amount of guidance to move up to the CT26 and I'm not sure why.   I'm planning to pair the extractor with a separator so I don't think capacity will be an issue.   I don't intend to put a work center on it and we don't really have the same ratings in Canada as they do in the EU.   With that being said am I missing something on why one should go up to the CT26 over the mini or even the midi?

Much appreciated.

Mike I think for me it was just that I was already spending a ridiculous amount of money on dust collection so why not just get the bigger one that I could stack my sander on.  I only use it for my sander and mitre saw so the bag never fills up.

If the desire is for stackability compared to the 15, the MINI-I or MIDI-I are definitely less expensive options than the CT-26.  The newer MINI and MIDI also have a handle set available, and with the integrated Bluetooth make for a nice compact, capable setup for sanding at a significant savings over the CT-26 (since you have to add the BT module separately on the CT-26).

The only reasons I have a CT-26 in addition to my OG MINI and MIDI-I are to stack up a Workcenter (there are workarounds for this with the MINI/MIDI), for my saws, and because I had very little impulse control in 2021 and overbought my needs (I have 3 CTs for crying out loud; and they're all in the garage right now, none are even down in the basement shop area).

I still pull out my MIDI-I first most of the time, and it travels quite nicely.

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Re: Which sander to buy first! - First Post in the Forum
« Reply #113 on: June 11, 2022, 03:15 PM »
With that being said am I missing something on why one should go up to the CT26 over the mini or even the midi?

Much appreciated.
Mini/Midi is easy. The bags are the same (so same cost) but with the Mini their capacity is limited to around 3/5 as it is on the Midi/CT15.

Mini exists for the sole purpose of mobile/installs use where every centimeter of size counts. For shop use it still makes sense when  paired with a CT-VA or or other cyclone and that is about it.

CT26 is the "industrial-industrial" grade thingie. There is and AC version of it, it is a bit better in suction consistency and is a bit better pairing with the CT-VA.

Basically, it is a "better" as in more robust built Midi. If you have a use fot that it is a very good choice. If you do not, then it indeed makes little sense compared to the Midi.

For a hobby user, the CT26 AC is IMO a worthy upgrade if you want to be able to handle a major plaster sanding use case in one vac. The non-AC CT26 is a bit of an overkill.

/A CTM 36 AC hobby+ owner with BT and CT-VA. Only regret the 36 versus 26 choice. With a cyclone in original purchase, the CT36 was not really warranted. Heh./
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