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Offline Intex

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Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« on: May 18, 2020, 04:23 PM »
If so, are you happy with it?  I forgot that the table does not have any slots for runners, so conventional sleds or parts that use the runner slots will not work on this table.  I would like to purchase one, but can not see it here in North America, and it looks like European trips are a Negative this year.

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Offline Maestronus

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2020, 04:40 PM »
They are not available for purchase yet. Last I heard it is expected to hit the German/European market in June/July.
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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2020, 04:41 PM »
It is not currently slated for North America.  Buying from overseas could possibly / probably lead to warranty issues.

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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2020, 06:21 PM »
in addition to what Peter said, also consider consumables.  I would expect the saw stop module thing (I don't know what they call it), to be unique to this saw as it probably was a big change from the US based stuff.  So there may be an issue of getting these in N.A. if they are unique. Granted when/if you ever trigger one, the hassle of getting a new one won't be your first concern/thought, but it won't take long for it to be.

So until they ship, and people can verify if it's a new PN or interchangeable with what is used in current N.A. saw stops this should be kept in mind. If they are the same as the US stuff, great, but I would assume no until proven otherwise.

Also, not sure what the blade specs are and if you can get blades in the US. 


Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2020, 12:26 AM »
June release so was thinking about it. Then considered an Erica 80. But since I was in that price range I also searched for any other deals. Since I already have a CMS TS75 I was looking for a better saw. Now trying to order a Hammer K3!

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2020, 09:17 AM »
I have one on order, the full set. Received an update yesterday from the dealer. The expected shipping date is June 10. Mind you — that’s the date the dealer got from Festool. It may take a week or so for it to land on my doorstep.  :)

I think the safety cartridge is a different design from the original SawStop one, but can not confirm this. I did order a spare (and all of the saw blades to go with the TKS 80).

An image I found:

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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2020, 09:20 AM »
Also, not sure what the blade specs are and if you can get blades in the US.


The saw blades are (mm’s!) 254 x 2,4 x 30
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Offline Intex

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2020, 11:38 AM »
I've never had a warranty issue with my European Spec Festools, so I'm not going to worry about that. As for the Sawstop brake, I'll just order a spare. In the years I had my SawStop , I only had one time it triggered, and that was when it hit a STAPLE on a HomeDepot price tag sticker

Ever since I sold my Sawstop Ive been looking for a smaller and precise saw. The Sawstop worksite saw is NOT that small and DEFINATELY not precise.

Last year I spoke with some Festool reps and they assured me that the TKS-80 was going to be available her in the US, so much for Reps knowing what is going to happen, so I'll just order from Europe.  Since I'll have to buy it sight unseen, I was just wondering what user comments were.
Thanks for the replies!






It is not currently slated for North America.  Buying from overseas could possibly / probably lead to warranty issues.

Peter

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2020, 07:48 PM »
The Erika 85ce is a superb portable table saw, maybe even the best in class, however, it doesn’t have safety peace of mind that the SawStop tech offers.

The other side of the coin is, the TKS-80 does not have the pull push facility, which is a game changer, and also has slightly shallower cut than the Erika 85ce.

If I lived in the states, I wouldn’t bother with the TKS-80, I’d just buy a SawStop saw.

Offline chayu

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2020, 09:05 AM »
I've never had a warranty issue with my European Spec Festools, so I'm not going to worry about that. As for the Sawstop brake, I'll just order a spare. In the years I had my SawStop , I only had one time it triggered, and that was when it hit a STAPLE on a HomeDepot price tag sticker

Ever since I sold my Sawstop Ive been looking for a smaller and precise saw. The Sawstop worksite saw is NOT that small and DEFINATELY not precise.

Last year I spoke with some Festool reps and they assured me that the TKS-80 was going to be available her in the US, so much for Reps knowing what is going to happen, so I'll just order from Europe.  Since I'll have to buy it sight unseen, I was just wondering what user comments were.
Thanks for the replies!

How does one order from Europe?





It is not currently slated for North America.  Buying from overseas could possibly / probably lead to warranty issues.

Peter

Offline threesixright

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2020, 09:22 AM »
I pre-ordered one.

When you expect yours @Bert Vanderveen, they gave you any ETA?

I still hope it will be next month [tongue]

Offline RKA

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2020, 10:20 AM »
@chayu Essentially, you don't.  Festool will not allow dealers to sell most items in NA from other areas of the world.  Very very few do, but they do so at their own risk (losing Festool).   You could smuggle one in if you were making a trip abroad or had a friend or relative overseas that was willing to facilitate the delivery to you.
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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2020, 11:04 AM »
I pre-ordered one.

When you expect yours @Bert Vanderveen, they gave you any ETA?

I still hope it will be next month [tongue]


Latest update from last Monday. It is leaving the factory on June 10. Should take maybe a week before it lands on my doorstep.
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Offline Intex

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2020, 01:22 PM »
The Erika 85ce is a superb portable table saw, maybe even the best in class, however, it doesn’t have safety peace of mind that the SawStop tech offers.

The other side of the coin is, the TKS-80 does not have the pull push facility, which is a game changer, and also has slightly shallower cut than the Erika 85ce.

If I lived in the states, I wouldn’t bother with the TKS-80, I’d just buy a SawStop saw.


Evidently you have not worked with the SawStop portable saw. It is not an elegant machine by any means, and is not either well built or precise. Just trying it out with the salesman at a dealer here, we could not get a precise lockdown  on the fence, and after moving it back and forth a few times, it actually broke, and that was the end of the test. The engineering of the stop mechanism of the blade is perfect, it does work when you need it, but unfortunately the jobsite saw is designed for cutting dimensional lumber at a construction site, not for furniture making - Sorry but that's a fact, Their larger table saws are MUCH better, I had one for years, solid and precise and SAFE, but downsized garage and now need something COMPACT  I do like the Erika, but I value my fingers more.

Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2020, 08:52 AM »
I would not call the CMS and CS70 precision saws. So I doubt the TKS will be any different. But we will see. A dewalt 7492 is more precise and repeatable than CS and CMS. JMO

Offline Gregor

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2020, 06:11 PM »
Just ordered a TKS 80 EBS-Set to replace my CMS-TS 75 (-Set, effectively).

Offline BiBi WET

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2020, 05:26 PM »
I would not call the CMS and CS70 precision saws. So I doubt the TKS will be any different. But we will see. A dewalt 7492 is more precise and repeatable than CS and CMS. JMO

Could you please explain the reason why CS70 is not a precision saw?

And also what makes a DeWalt DWE 7492 more precise?

Thx.

Offline threesixright

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2020, 07:07 AM »
I would not call the CMS and CS70 precision saws. So I doubt the TKS will be any different. But we will see. A dewalt 7492 is more precise and repeatable than CS and CMS. JMO
The DeWalt’s fence looks flimsy to me.

Curious why (or what) you think its more precise about it?


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Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2020, 10:59 AM »
The fence is spot on and easily adjustable. The table is flat and the blade is exactly at 90 degrees. The feet keep the saw stationary. Easy tool less riving knife changes. Miter slots and the dust collection is similar to the CMS CS saws. All for about a 3rd the price.
The 98db noise sucks though.

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Offline threesixright

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2020, 12:46 PM »
The fence is spot on and easily adjustable. The table is flat and the blade is exactly at 90 degrees. The feet keep the saw stationary. Easy tool less riving knife changes. Miter slots and the dust collection is similar to the CMS CS saws. All for about a 3rd the price.
The 98db noise sucks though.

Not my video. Remove space after :

https: //youtu.be/uCe5MRVMwzI

And why does that make the FT less precise [blink]?

With regard to price, your on the wrong forum ;) Countless times discussed, FT is expensive. Period.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2020, 01:29 PM »
The fence is spot on and easily adjustable. The table is flat and the blade is exactly at 90 degrees. The feet keep the saw stationary. Easy tool less riving knife changes. Miter slots and the dust collection is similar to the CMS CS saws. All for about a 3rd the price.
The 98db noise sucks though.

Not my video. Remove space after :

https: //youtu.be/uCe5MRVMwzI

I don’t consider this type of video a “review” or “test”, at all. It’s an ad for DeWalt. I like DeWalt, they have made many very fine tools, so don’t get me wrong. Festool’s Precisio saws are quite different in many areas compared to others. The sliding table with the protractor goes way beyond any of the common contractor table saws out there. Mafell Erika is the only competitor with pull saw function. There’s many details you could argue to be different or better on the Precisio saws, but there’s also likewise many unique features.

Edit: I do not see a reason to fiddle or remove the riving knife either, as the blade guard and dust shroud removes very easy (the new EBG version) and the riving knife can be pushed down to a “hidden cut position” without tools. It goes up again with same ease as soon as you’re finished doing your cuts, and back on with the blade guard.

These guys I trust more, if you’re looking into a test of saws. And they show their face in full public. Another clue is that they document their findings, they document how they perform their tests, they do repeatability to confirm their findings. And in the end, if you watch the whole video, there’s no clear conclusion. It’s up to you, and your priorities what makes the saw work for you and your kind of work.

Have a look:

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2020, 02:03 PM »
I would not call the CMS and CS70 precision saws. So I doubt the TKS will be any different. But we will see. A dewalt 7492 is more precise and repeatable than CS and CMS. JMO
The DeWalt’s fence looks flimsy to me.

Curious why (or what) you think its more precise about it?


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The Dewalt fence is unique (I think, could be wrong) in that it is attached on both ends to rack/track, both of which are moved simultaneously when the knob (pinion) is cranked. This results in the fence remaining parallel to the blade. Not sure if the rear of the fence is locked down when front is but the rack and pinion system should help resist racking even if the rear does not lock.

There are some pictures in this review that illustrate.

Offline Svar

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2020, 02:35 PM »
The DeWalt’s fence looks flimsy to me.
The Dewalt fence is unique (I think, could be wrong) in that it is attached on both ends to rack/track, both of which are moved simultaneously when the knob (pinion) is cranked.
Dewalt fence is the best among portable saws. The patent might have expired or it has been licenced off. The same fence appears now on the latest Milwaukee and Metabo cordless table saws.

Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2020, 02:40 PM »
Nope I am in the correct forum with all my 22 systainer tool boxes as the CMS with an incra setup and a CS70. The issue is I get more work done in shorter time and with better results with a cheaper tool. JMO

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2020, 05:33 PM »
Nope I am in the correct forum with all my 22 systainer tool boxes as the CMS with an incra setup and a CS70. The issue is I get more work done in shorter time and with better results with a cheaper tool. JMO

@infer
I just wonder; do you have the CS 70 PRECISIO pull saw, or CMS with CMS-TS 75 module?
As CS 70 Precisio is NOT a CMS unit. It’s a stand alone portable table saw.

I can agree with you, a geared fence ala DeWalt, and now later both Metabo and Hitachi/Hikoki has the same is easy to work with. The beauty of Festool’s system is that they in fact (if they bother or want) can add such fence as an aftermarket accessory. Which would be nice.
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Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2020, 01:22 PM »
I am lucky enough to own both saws. The CMS and the CS70. I am keeping the CMS for my 1400 router but I will let the CS70 go. I like the pull action a lot but need to finance another saw.

Offline jimbo51

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2020, 08:55 PM »
I just saw that the Erika 70 is no longer available  in 120 volt. In the Mafell user forum the opinion is that a 230 volt motor is required/better for braking functions and that Mafell chose not to have a different 120 volt saw for the US and other markets (UK jobsite?).

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2020, 09:49 PM »
I just saw that the Erika 70 is no longer available  in 120 volt. In the Mafell user forum the opinion is that a 230 volt motor is required/better for braking functions and that Mafell chose not to have a different 120 volt saw for the US and other markets (UK jobsite?).

Since they sell the Erika 85 as is (it's just the German PN) they probably had sales information from TW to show them that making the US specific 120V Erika 70 wasn't really worth it too them.  The 2 saws cost about the same, the only real reason for the 70 was if you absolutely didn't have 230V as an option to you. They did updates to the 85 recently, maybe they didn't want to bother making a 120V version of the update 70.

Erika's are portable, but just in the sense you can move them if you have to, not that you would want move them every day.  Which looks to be the same as the CS70, you can move it around, but you aren't likely too.  So for that job site market, I would guess there just isn't enough market demand for making 120V versions for the US and jobsite UK.

Offline nero

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2020, 04:29 AM »
I have purchased one and had it shipped to me in California. If people have questions for me, I can probably respond.

No one can seem to give me a straight answer on if the sawstop cartridge sold here works on it or not. Mine out of germany has four small capactiors instead of one large one, one of the two pins on the side is shaped like a minus symbol instead of both being like a plus symbol that guid the comm port on, and the flat mounting area is slightly larger in diamater where it pins onto the saw than on the NA sawstop. Aside from these three things, they appear identical, and it appears it will fit on mine. The picture above, and on the UK festool site show a single large capacitor, so I am debating risking it and just seeing if the standard sawstop will work with my saw or not. I doubt, but don't know if it could cause any feedback that would damage the saw perminatly. Maybe accidentally triggering, or just not working until I swap it back?

Offline objectgroup

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2020, 08:46 PM »
I have purchased one and had it shipped to me in California.

What voltage are you running it on? 220 mains? Transformer?

Offline nero

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2020, 02:12 AM »
240V off the main. 120v into each side (because the saw is designed to be plugged in with either side to hot or neutral, 120v to each side works the same). If you read the tag on the machine it is rated for 230-240v at 50-60hz.
I wanted to have multiple options on how to plug it in so I built one sort of pigtail box that had a euro (cee 7) outlet in it wired to a 30/50 amp plug using a short length of 8/3 cord, and made a second box that could take that 240 at 30 amps and break it down into two 120v sources coming from different sources. The amperage on the table saw is low enough that you don't have to worry about blowing a standard 20amp breaker.
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Offline Dnaupd1

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2021, 07:12 PM »
Hey thanks for writing about your experience. Could you share which country you imported from? I noticed the UK would require you to pay VAT. 

Offline rocky100370

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2021, 03:55 AM »
I live in the states and mine is enroute from Germany. Delivery supposed to be this week.

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2021, 01:39 PM »
Hey thanks for writing about your experience. Could you share which country you imported from? I noticed the UK would require you to pay VAT.

Items delivered to addresses in the U.K. or E.U., etc., are charged VAT. If sent to the U.S. there's no VAT/GST, etc.
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2021, 02:09 PM »
Have many folks even in Europe got these saws yet.  I haven't seen much on them, people digging into them, etc.  Nice to see a stream of them getting into the US.

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2021, 02:40 PM »
Hey thanks for writing about your experience. Could you share which country you imported from? I noticed the UK would require you to pay VAT.

Items delivered to addresses in the U.K. or E.U., etc., are charged VAT. If sent to the U.S. there's no VAT/GST, etc.

I can confirm this. Mine came from Deutschland and I did not pay VAT. I did end up getting charged a customs fee via FedEx on import, but if you live outside the country/european union you should not have to pay VAT. If you find someone that you want to buy from who is trying to charge it might be worth explaining the fact that because you are out of the region, and purchasing it from out of the region those taxes don't apply to you—they might be able to wave them, but just don't have a website set up for displaying what it would cost in your situation.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2021, 03:10 PM »
That is correct. Even neighbouring countries like where I live, that are outside EU qualifies an ex vat bill. What happens to most countries is that you pay your country’s tax in regards to billing from the seller you bought from. Ie, no work for the seller, and usually it’s the shipping company that does the vat billing to ie me. When I’m ordering from UK, Denmark or Germany, VAT is usually automatically withdrawn at check out. Countries not having vat or tax would then pay the net price.
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Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2022, 10:14 AM »
Hi,

I'm from Portugal and I'm considering buying my first table saw, and as I already have some Festool tools (and I value my fingers a lot!), I'm wading through as much information as possible about the TKS80, as it's the only one in Europe with a sawstop (do you confirm?).
However, after several reviews, it seems that there are serious flaws in the alignment of the guide for parallel cuts, as well as in the miter gauge for perpendicular cuts.
It seems that they are not well aligned, and the cuts don't come out perfect...
Who already has and uses the TKS80, confirm these problems?
I was very inclined to buy it, but with these flaws (which if confirmed, are unforgivable!), I'll have to look at the competition and have double attention when making the cuts.
It's a shame!
Can anyone confirm that these problems still persist?

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2022, 01:30 PM »
Hi,

I'm from Portugal and I'm considering buying my first table saw, and as I already have some Festool tools (and I value my fingers a lot!), I'm wading through as much information as possible about the TKS80, as it's the only one in Europe with a sawstop (do you confirm?).
However, after several reviews, it seems that there are serious flaws in the alignment of the guide for parallel cuts, as well as in the miter gauge for perpendicular cuts.
It seems that they are not well aligned, and the cuts don't come out perfect...
Who already has and uses the TKS80, confirm these problems?
I was very inclined to buy it, but with these flaws (which if confirmed, are unforgivable!), I'll have to look at the competition and have double attention when making the cuts.
It's a shame!
Can anyone confirm that these problems still persist?


TKS is the only EU compliant sawstop equipped model produced. 


I have one.  Love it.  The TKS 80 EBS-set version.


The fence is perfect, out of the box.  It's also adjustable, so if it goes out of adjustment it can be put back just the way you like it.  I don't see it happening without abuse, but you can do it if ever it's needed.


Same for the miter sled/fence.  Fine as delivered, but fully adjustable if ever necessary.


I thought I was fussy about things, but a friend here also gave up on his cast iron topped cabinet saw in favour of a TKS-80.  He works to ridiculous levels of precision, often on miniatures.  He's equally satisfied with the TKS-80 performance.


If you like the saw specifications, don't hesitate.  It's NOT a cabinet saw, but it's an excellent saw for what it is.  Much better than the jobsite kind of designation it wears in the catalogue.
TKS 80 EBS-SET, KS 60 E-Set, TSC 55 REBI, TS 75, HKC 55,
DF 500 & DF 700, OF2020, OF1010 REBQ, OF1010 EBQ, OFK 500,
T18+3, C18, PDC 18/4, TID 18,
RO 150, RO 90, RAS 115, RTS 400, ETS 125, ETS 150/5,
EHL 65, HL 850 EB,
CTL 26 E, CTL MIDI I, CTL-SYS, CT-VA-20
VAC SYS w/ SE1 & SE2, MFT/3, SYS PowerHub, DUO SYSLITE, & KAL.

Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2022, 06:48 PM »
Thank you.
But that being the case, why are there negative reviews regarding the accuracy of the cuts?
Have some people been unlucky and received faulty units?
Is there a difference for the EBS-set version?
If the alignment for parallel and cross cuts can be fully adjusted, why are there negative reviews regarding these aspects?
Could it be that units with this problem were sold in the beginning, and nowadays it doesn't happen anymore?

I don't understand.
When there are positive and negative reviews regarding the same subject, it keeps making me doubt the precision of the cuts, and not knowing what to do.

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2022, 07:18 PM »
Nobody here can tell you why other people, somewhere on the internet, have had problems.  Not unless they’re the originator of whatever you’ve read elsewhere.


I can however tell you that I see lots of people in various fora complaining about ‘problems’ with all sorts of machines, electronics, hardware devices and so on that are user error at the end of the day.


So take the problems with fence alignment with a pinch of salt. 


I can attest to the condition and accuracy of my saw, purchased at the end of last year, and give first hand feedback that it’s as one would expect. 


A second saw purchased in January by my ‘discerning’ friend also arrived well adjusted out of the box.


The fences are adjustable.  The point being, even if it’s not user error on the part of whoever else you’ve read, it’s super simple to calibrate to your liking.


And respectfully as I can be on this, you should be prepared to do that if you need to, with ANY tablesaw.  So it’s a moot point in the real world.


You asked, I gave an honest answer from first hand experience. 


What some other unknown person says, I can’t say they’re right or wrong, or have the experience or not.  But mine is there to help inform your decision.


All the best.
TKS 80 EBS-SET, KS 60 E-Set, TSC 55 REBI, TS 75, HKC 55,
DF 500 & DF 700, OF2020, OF1010 REBQ, OF1010 EBQ, OFK 500,
T18+3, C18, PDC 18/4, TID 18,
RO 150, RO 90, RAS 115, RTS 400, ETS 125, ETS 150/5,
EHL 65, HL 850 EB,
CTL 26 E, CTL MIDI I, CTL-SYS, CT-VA-20
VAC SYS w/ SE1 & SE2, MFT/3, SYS PowerHub, DUO SYSLITE, & KAL.

Offline threesixright

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2022, 07:47 AM »
For some people its enough that it is FT, and thats all they need to bitch about it.

There is are no perfect tools. In the end, what counts, IMO is the way the vendor is dealing with issues.

At this price point FT would be slaughtered if all saw's being produced are inaccurate. Yes, that can happen. Then the question is how will FT solve it.


Offline ChuckS

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2022, 08:19 AM »
Snip.

I don't understand.
When there are positive and negative reviews regarding the same subject, it keeps making me doubt the precision of the cuts, and not knowing what to do.

Your concern is valid and genuine. After all, it's not a $200 cordless drill purchase.

New machines can go wrong for so many reasons that you should consider reviews with no negatives ads or promotions. Even the well-established and well-praised SawStop PCS can get a bad review once in a while because not every machine is handled by a faultless robot.

Whatever the machine, if the critical parts are user-adjustable, there is less worry because you have a choice to fix it. Woodworkers are equipped to learn and adjust things. That's one line of defence.

The next line of defence is the vendor. Deal with a reputable one which can help you. I am lucky to have a Lee Valley store here...I know they can help me with any FT or SawStop issues (none so far!).

I don't have a good impression of FT when it comes to repairs, but I trust LV and know that its customer service will look after me. So find a vendor with great customer service for your pricey purchases.

I'll pay top dollars if the above two conditions of sales are met. So far, it has worked out well for me for some 20 years.
 
« Last Edit: July 20, 2022, 09:25 AM by ChuckS »

Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2022, 06:59 PM »
Nobody here can tell you why other people, somewhere on the internet, have had problems.  Not unless they’re the originator of whatever you’ve read elsewhere.


I can however tell you that I see lots of people in various fora complaining about ‘problems’ with all sorts of machines, electronics, hardware devices and so on that are user error at the end of the day.


So take the problems with fence alignment with a pinch of salt. 


I can attest to the condition and accuracy of my saw, purchased at the end of last year, and give first hand feedback that it’s as one would expect. 


A second saw purchased in January by my ‘discerning’ friend also arrived well adjusted out of the box.


The fences are adjustable.  The point being, even if it’s not user error on the part of whoever else you’ve read, it’s super simple to calibrate to your liking.


And respectfully as I can be on this, you should be prepared to do that if you need to, with ANY tablesaw.  So it’s a moot point in the real world.


You asked, I gave an honest answer from first hand experience. 


What some other unknown person says, I can’t say they’re right or wrong, or have the experience or not.  But mine is there to help inform your decision.


All the best.


Thank you for your testimony.
Knowing that it is possible to adjust any of the fences, if the cuts don't come out perfectly parallel or perpendicular, changes a lot in my decision.
I confess I didn't know it was possible to adjust the fences.
Thanks again.

I just don't understand why Festool didn't make t-slots on the table, to use the crosscut sled to be able to make more complex cuts.


Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2022, 07:08 PM »
Snip.

I don't understand.
When there are positive and negative reviews regarding the same subject, it keeps making me doubt the precision of the cuts, and not knowing what to do.

Your concern is valid and genuine. After all, it's not a $200 cordless drill purchase.

New machines can go wrong for so many reasons that you should consider reviews with no negatives ads or promotions. Even the well-established and well-praised SawStop PCS can get a bad review once in a while because not every machine is handled by a faultless robot.

Whatever the machine, if the critical parts are user-adjustable, there is less worry because you have a choice to fix it. Woodworkers are equipped to learn and adjust things. That's one line of defence.

The next line of defence is the vendor. Deal with a reputable one which can help you. I am lucky to have a Lee Valley store here...I know they can help me with any FT or SawStop issues (none so far!).

I don't have a good impression of FT when it comes to repairs, but I trust LV and know that its customer service will look after me. So find a vendor with great customer service for your pricey purchases.

I'll pay top dollars if the above two conditions of sales are met. So far, it has worked out well for me for some 20 years.



True.
I hadn't thought about those points yet.

Do you think it would be better to buy from a physical shop with a reputation, rather than a reputable online shop?

So far I've been buying my Festool tools from reputable online shops, and I've never had any problems.
But I've never spent as much money as I might spend on the TKS-80.
Would it be better to buy it in a physical shop?
Will this saw give any kind of problems that would make it necessary to go to a physical shop?

The price difference is still considerable: if I buy it at Festool, it's about €600 more than if I buy it in an online shop.
Is it worth paying an extra €600 to have some sort of extra guarantee?

(note: online shops are dictum.de or mima.de, for example)

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2022, 07:17 PM »
Reputable online shops are fine as long as they have in place reasonable policy and way of providing service or returns. If a big piece of equipment needs to be returned or serviced, you can drop it off in person at a physical store without prohibitive shipping cost unless it's borne by the merchant.

Many Festool users have had great experience buying online. So you may want to check with the potential online stores about servicing and return arrangements prior to making your big ticket purchase.

Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2022, 07:27 PM »
My workshop space is relatively small... is it possible to disassemble it when not in use, and assemble it only when needed, without having to be tuning it every time it needs to be assembled?
Or at least disassemble the guide extension and the table extension?
I don't plan on using it very often, it will only be for very specific projects, and any space I can save is welcome :)

By the way, can anyone tell me how much space it takes up with all the accessories, more or less?