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Offline nero

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2020, 02:12 AM »
240V off the main. 120v into each side (because the saw is designed to be plugged in with either side to hot or neutral, 120v to each side works the same). If you read the tag on the machine it is rated for 230-240v at 50-60hz.
I wanted to have multiple options on how to plug it in so I built one sort of pigtail box that had a euro (cee 7) outlet in it wired to a 30/50 amp plug using a short length of 8/3 cord, and made a second box that could take that 240 at 30 amps and break it down into two 120v sources coming from different sources. The amperage on the table saw is low enough that you don't have to worry about blowing a standard 20amp breaker.
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Offline Dnaupd1

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2021, 07:12 PM »
Hey thanks for writing about your experience. Could you share which country you imported from? I noticed the UK would require you to pay VAT. 

Offline rocky100370

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2021, 03:55 AM »
I live in the states and mine is enroute from Germany. Delivery supposed to be this week.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2021, 01:39 PM »
Hey thanks for writing about your experience. Could you share which country you imported from? I noticed the UK would require you to pay VAT.

Items delivered to addresses in the U.K. or E.U., etc., are charged VAT. If sent to the U.S. there's no VAT/GST, etc.
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2021, 02:09 PM »
Have many folks even in Europe got these saws yet.  I haven't seen much on them, people digging into them, etc.  Nice to see a stream of them getting into the US.

Offline nero

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2021, 02:40 PM »
Hey thanks for writing about your experience. Could you share which country you imported from? I noticed the UK would require you to pay VAT.

Items delivered to addresses in the U.K. or E.U., etc., are charged VAT. If sent to the U.S. there's no VAT/GST, etc.

I can confirm this. Mine came from Deutschland and I did not pay VAT. I did end up getting charged a customs fee via FedEx on import, but if you live outside the country/european union you should not have to pay VAT. If you find someone that you want to buy from who is trying to charge it might be worth explaining the fact that because you are out of the region, and purchasing it from out of the region those taxes don't apply to you—they might be able to wave them, but just don't have a website set up for displaying what it would cost in your situation.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2021, 03:10 PM »
That is correct. Even neighbouring countries like where I live, that are outside EU qualifies an ex vat bill. What happens to most countries is that you pay your country’s tax in regards to billing from the seller you bought from. Ie, no work for the seller, and usually it’s the shipping company that does the vat billing to ie me. When I’m ordering from UK, Denmark or Germany, VAT is usually automatically withdrawn at check out. Countries not having vat or tax would then pay the net price.
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Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2022, 10:14 AM »
Hi,

I'm from Portugal and I'm considering buying my first table saw, and as I already have some Festool tools (and I value my fingers a lot!), I'm wading through as much information as possible about the TKS80, as it's the only one in Europe with a sawstop (do you confirm?).
However, after several reviews, it seems that there are serious flaws in the alignment of the guide for parallel cuts, as well as in the miter gauge for perpendicular cuts.
It seems that they are not well aligned, and the cuts don't come out perfect...
Who already has and uses the TKS80, confirm these problems?
I was very inclined to buy it, but with these flaws (which if confirmed, are unforgivable!), I'll have to look at the competition and have double attention when making the cuts.
It's a shame!
Can anyone confirm that these problems still persist?

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2022, 01:30 PM »
Hi,

I'm from Portugal and I'm considering buying my first table saw, and as I already have some Festool tools (and I value my fingers a lot!), I'm wading through as much information as possible about the TKS80, as it's the only one in Europe with a sawstop (do you confirm?).
However, after several reviews, it seems that there are serious flaws in the alignment of the guide for parallel cuts, as well as in the miter gauge for perpendicular cuts.
It seems that they are not well aligned, and the cuts don't come out perfect...
Who already has and uses the TKS80, confirm these problems?
I was very inclined to buy it, but with these flaws (which if confirmed, are unforgivable!), I'll have to look at the competition and have double attention when making the cuts.
It's a shame!
Can anyone confirm that these problems still persist?


TKS is the only EU compliant sawstop equipped model produced. 


I have one.  Love it.  The TKS 80 EBS-set version.


The fence is perfect, out of the box.  It's also adjustable, so if it goes out of adjustment it can be put back just the way you like it.  I don't see it happening without abuse, but you can do it if ever it's needed.


Same for the miter sled/fence.  Fine as delivered, but fully adjustable if ever necessary.


I thought I was fussy about things, but a friend here also gave up on his cast iron topped cabinet saw in favour of a TKS-80.  He works to ridiculous levels of precision, often on miniatures.  He's equally satisfied with the TKS-80 performance.


If you like the saw specifications, don't hesitate.  It's NOT a cabinet saw, but it's an excellent saw for what it is.  Much better than the jobsite kind of designation it wears in the catalogue.
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Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2022, 06:48 PM »
Thank you.
But that being the case, why are there negative reviews regarding the accuracy of the cuts?
Have some people been unlucky and received faulty units?
Is there a difference for the EBS-set version?
If the alignment for parallel and cross cuts can be fully adjusted, why are there negative reviews regarding these aspects?
Could it be that units with this problem were sold in the beginning, and nowadays it doesn't happen anymore?

I don't understand.
When there are positive and negative reviews regarding the same subject, it keeps making me doubt the precision of the cuts, and not knowing what to do.

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2022, 07:18 PM »
Nobody here can tell you why other people, somewhere on the internet, have had problems.  Not unless they’re the originator of whatever you’ve read elsewhere.


I can however tell you that I see lots of people in various fora complaining about ‘problems’ with all sorts of machines, electronics, hardware devices and so on that are user error at the end of the day.


So take the problems with fence alignment with a pinch of salt. 


I can attest to the condition and accuracy of my saw, purchased at the end of last year, and give first hand feedback that it’s as one would expect. 


A second saw purchased in January by my ‘discerning’ friend also arrived well adjusted out of the box.


The fences are adjustable.  The point being, even if it’s not user error on the part of whoever else you’ve read, it’s super simple to calibrate to your liking.


And respectfully as I can be on this, you should be prepared to do that if you need to, with ANY tablesaw.  So it’s a moot point in the real world.


You asked, I gave an honest answer from first hand experience. 


What some other unknown person says, I can’t say they’re right or wrong, or have the experience or not.  But mine is there to help inform your decision.


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Offline threesixright

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2022, 07:47 AM »
For some people its enough that it is FT, and thats all they need to bitch about it.

There is are no perfect tools. In the end, what counts, IMO is the way the vendor is dealing with issues.

At this price point FT would be slaughtered if all saw's being produced are inaccurate. Yes, that can happen. Then the question is how will FT solve it.


Offline ChuckS

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2022, 08:19 AM »
Snip.

I don't understand.
When there are positive and negative reviews regarding the same subject, it keeps making me doubt the precision of the cuts, and not knowing what to do.

Your concern is valid and genuine. After all, it's not a $200 cordless drill purchase.

New machines can go wrong for so many reasons that you should consider reviews with no negatives ads or promotions. Even the well-established and well-praised SawStop PCS can get a bad review once in a while because not every machine is handled by a faultless robot.

Whatever the machine, if the critical parts are user-adjustable, there is less worry because you have a choice to fix it. Woodworkers are equipped to learn and adjust things. That's one line of defence.

The next line of defence is the vendor. Deal with a reputable one which can help you. I am lucky to have a Lee Valley store here...I know they can help me with any FT or SawStop issues (none so far!).

I don't have a good impression of FT when it comes to repairs, but I trust LV and know that its customer service will look after me. So find a vendor with great customer service for your pricey purchases.

I'll pay top dollars if the above two conditions of sales are met. So far, it has worked out well for me for some 20 years.
 
« Last Edit: July 20, 2022, 09:25 AM by ChuckS »

Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2022, 06:59 PM »
Nobody here can tell you why other people, somewhere on the internet, have had problems.  Not unless they’re the originator of whatever you’ve read elsewhere.


I can however tell you that I see lots of people in various fora complaining about ‘problems’ with all sorts of machines, electronics, hardware devices and so on that are user error at the end of the day.


So take the problems with fence alignment with a pinch of salt. 


I can attest to the condition and accuracy of my saw, purchased at the end of last year, and give first hand feedback that it’s as one would expect. 


A second saw purchased in January by my ‘discerning’ friend also arrived well adjusted out of the box.


The fences are adjustable.  The point being, even if it’s not user error on the part of whoever else you’ve read, it’s super simple to calibrate to your liking.


And respectfully as I can be on this, you should be prepared to do that if you need to, with ANY tablesaw.  So it’s a moot point in the real world.


You asked, I gave an honest answer from first hand experience. 


What some other unknown person says, I can’t say they’re right or wrong, or have the experience or not.  But mine is there to help inform your decision.


All the best.


Thank you for your testimony.
Knowing that it is possible to adjust any of the fences, if the cuts don't come out perfectly parallel or perpendicular, changes a lot in my decision.
I confess I didn't know it was possible to adjust the fences.
Thanks again.

I just don't understand why Festool didn't make t-slots on the table, to use the crosscut sled to be able to make more complex cuts.


Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2022, 07:08 PM »
Snip.

I don't understand.
When there are positive and negative reviews regarding the same subject, it keeps making me doubt the precision of the cuts, and not knowing what to do.

Your concern is valid and genuine. After all, it's not a $200 cordless drill purchase.

New machines can go wrong for so many reasons that you should consider reviews with no negatives ads or promotions. Even the well-established and well-praised SawStop PCS can get a bad review once in a while because not every machine is handled by a faultless robot.

Whatever the machine, if the critical parts are user-adjustable, there is less worry because you have a choice to fix it. Woodworkers are equipped to learn and adjust things. That's one line of defence.

The next line of defence is the vendor. Deal with a reputable one which can help you. I am lucky to have a Lee Valley store here...I know they can help me with any FT or SawStop issues (none so far!).

I don't have a good impression of FT when it comes to repairs, but I trust LV and know that its customer service will look after me. So find a vendor with great customer service for your pricey purchases.

I'll pay top dollars if the above two conditions of sales are met. So far, it has worked out well for me for some 20 years.



True.
I hadn't thought about those points yet.

Do you think it would be better to buy from a physical shop with a reputation, rather than a reputable online shop?

So far I've been buying my Festool tools from reputable online shops, and I've never had any problems.
But I've never spent as much money as I might spend on the TKS-80.
Would it be better to buy it in a physical shop?
Will this saw give any kind of problems that would make it necessary to go to a physical shop?

The price difference is still considerable: if I buy it at Festool, it's about €600 more than if I buy it in an online shop.
Is it worth paying an extra €600 to have some sort of extra guarantee?

(note: online shops are dictum.de or mima.de, for example)

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2022, 07:17 PM »
Reputable online shops are fine as long as they have in place reasonable policy and way of providing service or returns. If a big piece of equipment needs to be returned or serviced, you can drop it off in person at a physical store without prohibitive shipping cost unless it's borne by the merchant.

Many Festool users have had great experience buying online. So you may want to check with the potential online stores about servicing and return arrangements prior to making your big ticket purchase.

Offline antoniomcs

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2022, 07:27 PM »
My workshop space is relatively small... is it possible to disassemble it when not in use, and assemble it only when needed, without having to be tuning it every time it needs to be assembled?
Or at least disassemble the guide extension and the table extension?
I don't plan on using it very often, it will only be for very specific projects, and any space I can save is welcome :)

By the way, can anyone tell me how much space it takes up with all the accessories, more or less?