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Offline Intex

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Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« on: May 18, 2020, 04:23 PM »
If so, are you happy with it?  I forgot that the table does not have any slots for runners, so conventional sleds or parts that use the runner slots will not work on this table.  I would like to purchase one, but can not see it here in North America, and it looks like European trips are a Negative this year.

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Offline Maestronus

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2020, 04:40 PM »
They are not available for purchase yet. Last I heard it is expected to hit the German/European market in June/July.
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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2020, 04:41 PM »
It is not currently slated for North America.  Buying from overseas could possibly / probably lead to warranty issues.

Peter

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2020, 06:21 PM »
in addition to what Peter said, also consider consumables.  I would expect the saw stop module thing (I don't know what they call it), to be unique to this saw as it probably was a big change from the US based stuff.  So there may be an issue of getting these in N.A. if they are unique. Granted when/if you ever trigger one, the hassle of getting a new one won't be your first concern/thought, but it won't take long for it to be.

So until they ship, and people can verify if it's a new PN or interchangeable with what is used in current N.A. saw stops this should be kept in mind. If they are the same as the US stuff, great, but I would assume no until proven otherwise.

Also, not sure what the blade specs are and if you can get blades in the US. 


Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2020, 12:26 AM »
June release so was thinking about it. Then considered an Erica 80. But since I was in that price range I also searched for any other deals. Since I already have a CMS TS75 I was looking for a better saw. Now trying to order a Hammer K3!

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2020, 09:17 AM »
I have one on order, the full set. Received an update yesterday from the dealer. The expected shipping date is June 10. Mind you — that’s the date the dealer got from Festool. It may take a week or so for it to land on my doorstep.  :)

I think the safety cartridge is a different design from the original SawStop one, but can not confirm this. I did order a spare (and all of the saw blades to go with the TKS 80).

An image I found:

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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2020, 09:20 AM »
Also, not sure what the blade specs are and if you can get blades in the US.


The saw blades are (mm’s!) 254 x 2,4 x 30
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Offline Intex

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2020, 11:38 AM »
I've never had a warranty issue with my European Spec Festools, so I'm not going to worry about that. As for the Sawstop brake, I'll just order a spare. In the years I had my SawStop , I only had one time it triggered, and that was when it hit a STAPLE on a HomeDepot price tag sticker

Ever since I sold my Sawstop Ive been looking for a smaller and precise saw. The Sawstop worksite saw is NOT that small and DEFINATELY not precise.

Last year I spoke with some Festool reps and they assured me that the TKS-80 was going to be available her in the US, so much for Reps knowing what is going to happen, so I'll just order from Europe.  Since I'll have to buy it sight unseen, I was just wondering what user comments were.
Thanks for the replies!






It is not currently slated for North America.  Buying from overseas could possibly / probably lead to warranty issues.

Peter

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2020, 07:48 PM »
The Erika 85ce is a superb portable table saw, maybe even the best in class, however, it doesn’t have safety peace of mind that the SawStop tech offers.

The other side of the coin is, the TKS-80 does not have the pull push facility, which is a game changer, and also has slightly shallower cut than the Erika 85ce.

If I lived in the states, I wouldn’t bother with the TKS-80, I’d just buy a SawStop saw.

Offline chayu

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2020, 09:05 AM »
I've never had a warranty issue with my European Spec Festools, so I'm not going to worry about that. As for the Sawstop brake, I'll just order a spare. In the years I had my SawStop , I only had one time it triggered, and that was when it hit a STAPLE on a HomeDepot price tag sticker

Ever since I sold my Sawstop Ive been looking for a smaller and precise saw. The Sawstop worksite saw is NOT that small and DEFINATELY not precise.

Last year I spoke with some Festool reps and they assured me that the TKS-80 was going to be available her in the US, so much for Reps knowing what is going to happen, so I'll just order from Europe.  Since I'll have to buy it sight unseen, I was just wondering what user comments were.
Thanks for the replies!

How does one order from Europe?





It is not currently slated for North America.  Buying from overseas could possibly / probably lead to warranty issues.

Peter

Offline threesixright

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2020, 09:22 AM »
I pre-ordered one.

When you expect yours @Bert Vanderveen, they gave you any ETA?

I still hope it will be next month [tongue]

Online RKA

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2020, 10:20 AM »
@chayu Essentially, you don't.  Festool will not allow dealers to sell most items in NA from other areas of the world.  Very very few do, but they do so at their own risk (losing Festool).   You could smuggle one in if you were making a trip abroad or had a friend or relative overseas that was willing to facilitate the delivery to you.
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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2020, 11:04 AM »
I pre-ordered one.

When you expect yours @Bert Vanderveen, they gave you any ETA?

I still hope it will be next month [tongue]


Latest update from last Monday. It is leaving the factory on June 10. Should take maybe a week before it lands on my doorstep.
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Offline Intex

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2020, 01:22 PM »
The Erika 85ce is a superb portable table saw, maybe even the best in class, however, it doesn’t have safety peace of mind that the SawStop tech offers.

The other side of the coin is, the TKS-80 does not have the pull push facility, which is a game changer, and also has slightly shallower cut than the Erika 85ce.

If I lived in the states, I wouldn’t bother with the TKS-80, I’d just buy a SawStop saw.


Evidently you have not worked with the SawStop portable saw. It is not an elegant machine by any means, and is not either well built or precise. Just trying it out with the salesman at a dealer here, we could not get a precise lockdown  on the fence, and after moving it back and forth a few times, it actually broke, and that was the end of the test. The engineering of the stop mechanism of the blade is perfect, it does work when you need it, but unfortunately the jobsite saw is designed for cutting dimensional lumber at a construction site, not for furniture making - Sorry but that's a fact, Their larger table saws are MUCH better, I had one for years, solid and precise and SAFE, but downsized garage and now need something COMPACT  I do like the Erika, but I value my fingers more.

Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2020, 08:52 AM »
I would not call the CMS and CS70 precision saws. So I doubt the TKS will be any different. But we will see. A dewalt 7492 is more precise and repeatable than CS and CMS. JMO

Offline Gregor

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2020, 06:11 PM »
Just ordered a TKS 80 EBS-Set to replace my CMS-TS 75 (-Set, effectively).

Offline BiBi WET

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2020, 05:26 PM »
I would not call the CMS and CS70 precision saws. So I doubt the TKS will be any different. But we will see. A dewalt 7492 is more precise and repeatable than CS and CMS. JMO

Could you please explain the reason why CS70 is not a precision saw?

And also what makes a DeWalt DWE 7492 more precise?

Thx.

Offline threesixright

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2020, 07:07 AM »
I would not call the CMS and CS70 precision saws. So I doubt the TKS will be any different. But we will see. A dewalt 7492 is more precise and repeatable than CS and CMS. JMO
The DeWalt’s fence looks flimsy to me.

Curious why (or what) you think its more precise about it?


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Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2020, 10:59 AM »
The fence is spot on and easily adjustable. The table is flat and the blade is exactly at 90 degrees. The feet keep the saw stationary. Easy tool less riving knife changes. Miter slots and the dust collection is similar to the CMS CS saws. All for about a 3rd the price.
The 98db noise sucks though.

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Offline threesixright

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2020, 12:46 PM »
The fence is spot on and easily adjustable. The table is flat and the blade is exactly at 90 degrees. The feet keep the saw stationary. Easy tool less riving knife changes. Miter slots and the dust collection is similar to the CMS CS saws. All for about a 3rd the price.
The 98db noise sucks though.

Not my video. Remove space after :

https: //youtu.be/uCe5MRVMwzI

And why does that make the FT less precise [blink]?

With regard to price, your on the wrong forum ;) Countless times discussed, FT is expensive. Period.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2020, 01:29 PM »
The fence is spot on and easily adjustable. The table is flat and the blade is exactly at 90 degrees. The feet keep the saw stationary. Easy tool less riving knife changes. Miter slots and the dust collection is similar to the CMS CS saws. All for about a 3rd the price.
The 98db noise sucks though.

Not my video. Remove space after :

https: //youtu.be/uCe5MRVMwzI

I don’t consider this type of video a “review” or “test”, at all. It’s an ad for DeWalt. I like DeWalt, they have made many very fine tools, so don’t get me wrong. Festool’s Precisio saws are quite different in many areas compared to others. The sliding table with the protractor goes way beyond any of the common contractor table saws out there. Mafell Erika is the only competitor with pull saw function. There’s many details you could argue to be different or better on the Precisio saws, but there’s also likewise many unique features.

Edit: I do not see a reason to fiddle or remove the riving knife either, as the blade guard and dust shroud removes very easy (the new EBG version) and the riving knife can be pushed down to a “hidden cut position” without tools. It goes up again with same ease as soon as you’re finished doing your cuts, and back on with the blade guard.

These guys I trust more, if you’re looking into a test of saws. And they show their face in full public. Another clue is that they document their findings, they document how they perform their tests, they do repeatability to confirm their findings. And in the end, if you watch the whole video, there’s no clear conclusion. It’s up to you, and your priorities what makes the saw work for you and your kind of work.

Have a look:

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2020, 02:03 PM »
I would not call the CMS and CS70 precision saws. So I doubt the TKS will be any different. But we will see. A dewalt 7492 is more precise and repeatable than CS and CMS. JMO
The DeWalt’s fence looks flimsy to me.

Curious why (or what) you think its more precise about it?


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The Dewalt fence is unique (I think, could be wrong) in that it is attached on both ends to rack/track, both of which are moved simultaneously when the knob (pinion) is cranked. This results in the fence remaining parallel to the blade. Not sure if the rear of the fence is locked down when front is but the rack and pinion system should help resist racking even if the rear does not lock.

There are some pictures in this review that illustrate.

Offline Svar

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2020, 02:35 PM »
The DeWalt’s fence looks flimsy to me.
The Dewalt fence is unique (I think, could be wrong) in that it is attached on both ends to rack/track, both of which are moved simultaneously when the knob (pinion) is cranked.
Dewalt fence is the best among portable saws. The patent might have expired or it has been licenced off. The same fence appears now on the latest Milwaukee and Metabo cordless table saws.

Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2020, 02:40 PM »
Nope I am in the correct forum with all my 22 systainer tool boxes as the CMS with an incra setup and a CS70. The issue is I get more work done in shorter time and with better results with a cheaper tool. JMO

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2020, 05:33 PM »
Nope I am in the correct forum with all my 22 systainer tool boxes as the CMS with an incra setup and a CS70. The issue is I get more work done in shorter time and with better results with a cheaper tool. JMO

@infer
I just wonder; do you have the CS 70 PRECISIO pull saw, or CMS with CMS-TS 75 module?
As CS 70 Precisio is NOT a CMS unit. It’s a stand alone portable table saw.

I can agree with you, a geared fence ala DeWalt, and now later both Metabo and Hitachi/Hikoki has the same is easy to work with. The beauty of Festool’s system is that they in fact (if they bother or want) can add such fence as an aftermarket accessory. Which would be nice.
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Offline infer

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Re: Has anyone purchased a TKS-80 ?
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 01:22 PM »
I am lucky enough to own both saws. The CMS and the CS70. I am keeping the CMS for my 1400 router but I will let the CS70 go. I like the pull action a lot but need to finance another saw.