Author Topic: Festool user just sold his festools (26 so far) ands is moving to 100% Milwaukee  (Read 3887 times)

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Offline onevw

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26 Festool power tools sold

I only have 2 sanders, cms router table, Ts55 saw, cms table saw insert, Track saw tracks. I just may keep all this and the 2 MFT tables.
I have always had many Milwaukee, Makita power tools.  Most of my tools are used in abusive situations in very heavy industries.

The Milwaukee power tools outperformed ALL other brands in every way power, durability, design, service, battery life.

We tried Festool and found very poor performance, the tools only lasted months in the tool abusive situations.  So that's how they got to my home. I just took home new Festools on a seniority basis owner privilege. The longer the employment the older the tools you got.

Makitas were purchased on job sites and some were sent back to our shop many others were broken so just trashed. Hard to watch that!

I guess Festool is designed for more powder puff use whats we call soft work.

We are 100% battery now which has caused a problem when we fly to work sites 99% of the time. Those batteries are not liked by the FAA. So we must ship them or buy local.

FYI

Rick






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Offline Svar

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I'm wondering what is it you are doing that you trash tools at this rate.

Offline Vtshopdog

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I'm wondering what is it you are doing that you trash tools at this rate.

I'm retired now, but speaking from experience I'm guessing he has employees .......

Offline six-point socket II

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Thats really great to know, be sure to let everyone on the "Milwaukee Owners Group" know, too. Or the Milwaukee owned/sponsored forum. Oh wait, right ...  [oops]

I'd still like to wish you well and all the best for the future though. Have a great time!

Kind regards,
Oli"hardcore-Festool-apologist"ver
« Last Edit: May 28, 2020, 05:46 PM by six-point socket II »
Kind regards,
Oliver

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Offline Vondawg

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All tools have their place...anyone can post, to “push members buttons“
, like calling other members Fanboys or tool collectors, whether purposeful or other wise
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Offline DeformedTree

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I'm convinced, time to sell.

Offline FestitaMakool

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I'm wondering what is it you are doing that you trash tools at this rate.

I'm retired now, but speaking from experience I'm guessing he has employees .......

Ditto...
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Offline Peter Halle

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I always hope that users find the right tool for them, no matter the brand.  In reading your posts here I am not surprised to read your post.  Godspeed with whatever brand(s) you decide to go with.

Peter

Offline mrB

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I'm not personally interested in how Festool's stand up to being abused by a crew on a building site. I buy them for their delicacy and finesse, as well as the availability of accessories, parts and consumables. . not how many drops off the scaf tower they can handle or what the max load/cut/hole is..

Different people have different ideas of what makes the best tool.
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline James Carriere

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What an interesting company culture to have employees that destroy every tool put into their hands. Maybe it's not the tools that need replacing?

Offline onevw

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Mr. Cheese, you are correct it is the management. I think we justified our policy because we have around 2300 field service people in over 30 countries or we use too have that many and 85% of our work is with official governments.

Every hand tool we buy does not add up to enough money to pay any attention too.

This is what I am told by the equipment managers. We do not account for any hand tool under 2500.00.
So no one cares. I guess we have bigger fish to fry.

But I bet we have a lot more Festool stuff stuffed in storage somewhere.

I did like using the Festools in my home shop and a sorry to see them go.

Being retired now I am not involved in day to day operations.

What I now care about is Beer, cigars, airplanes.

Rick




Offline onevw

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Mr. Cheese, you are correct it is the management. I think we justified our policy because we have around 2300 field service people in over 30 countries or we use too have that many and 85% of our work is with official governments.

Every hand tool we buy does not add up to enough money to pay any attention too.

This is what I am told by the equipment managers. We do not account for any hand tool under 2500.00.
So no one cares. I guess we have bigger fish to fry.

But I bet we have a lot more Festool stuff stuffed in storage somewhere.

I did like using the Festools in my home shop and a sorry to see them go.

Being retired now I am not involved in day to day operations.

What I now care about is Beer, cigars, airplanes.

Rick

and my Dogs.

Offline morts10n

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I think that craftsman who know the names of ALL the little black lines on a tape measure are more likely
Festool users. Those that only know the big lines tend to use other brands.

Offline Cheese

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Mr. Cheese, you are correct it is the management. I think we justified our policy because we have around 2300 field service people in over 30 countries or we use too have that many and 85% of our work is with official governments.

Every hand tool we buy does not add up to enough money to pay any attention too.

This is what I am told by the equipment managers. We do not account for any hand tool under 2500.00.
So no one cares. I guess we have bigger fish to fry.

But I bet we have a lot more Festool stuff stuffed in storage somewhere.

I did like using the Festools in my home shop and a sorry to see them go.

Being retired now I am not involved in day to day operations.

What I now care about is Beer, cigars, airplanes.

Thanks for the reply Rick...at some time it really all gets down to what is the cost to monitor your employees for the proper use of any company owned material be it a raw material or a machine tool, both have some value.

The company I retired from also determined that anything under $1500 was not worth their effort and a simple statement such as "This job position is no longer needed" was a lot easier than going through the courts for an extended review and a potential criminal prosecution. Thus, cutting the employee umbilical cord and writing off a $1500 debt was the easiest way out.

It's a shame that this has become the norm because some of these people are nothing but petty crooks.

However...that doesn't make the Festool tools that are now in your possession damaged goods.  [big grin]

Offline Cheese

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and my Dogs.

Dogs are important...here's a photo of ours. The first is pre Covid-19 and the second photo is a view of the dogs now practicing proper social distancing.   [tongue]




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Beautiful dogs cheese
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Offline DeformedTree

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So does someone have to leave the house so one of them can go into the house as to not exceed covid capacity of the house?

Offline martin felder

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Beautiful dogs cheese  +1

Offline Rob Z

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Oh man Cheese, seeing those dogs of yours makes me miss my beagle and my golden....  :'( :'(

Regarding tools and employee management....I was lucky in that most of my employees and even the subs were good with the tools on site and I suffered very little damage to tools over the years. I could buy Festool, Hilti, Bosch, Stabila etc and not worry about the tools getting abused.

I met a guy years ago who was a fairly high level super for a large commercial construction company that worked all over the US.  I asked what they did to manage the tools and how they got what they needed from job to job. He said they rented the bigger tools and for the smaller power tools, they bought new tools every job. At the end of every job they junked 'em or gave 'em away.  He said the thousands they spent on every job getting tools at HD or Lowes, plus rentals, was way less costly than moving and shipping cost, insurance, storage etc. Apparently it worked for them but at the time I was  [eek]  [scared] having a hard time seeing the wisdom of that method. 

Offline Cochese

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I'm not personally interested in how Festool's stand up to being abused by a crew on a building site. I buy them for their delicacy and finesse, as well as the availability of accessories, parts and consumables. . not how many drops off the scaf tower they can handle or what the max load/cut/hole is..

Different people have different ideas of what makes the best tool.

Reminds me of the teardown people like to point to on YouTube of the TS 55. I don't really care that the inside is plastic, because I don't abuse my tools. I buy them to be accurate, and with how I treat them they will still last for a very long time.

Offline ChuckM

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Snip.
The Milwaukee power tools outperformed ALL other brands in every way power, durability, design, service, battery life.


Rick
Not that I abuse any of my tools, Festool or not, but your observation piques my interest. Next time, when I look for a new power tool, I'll give that brand another look. I settled for my Japanese cars, not because I was planning to abuse their engines or transmission, but because of their well-known reliability. 
« Last Edit: May 29, 2020, 12:02 PM by ChuckM »

Offline jobsworth

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@onevw

Hey where ya selling them at?
They're not in the Classifieds here

plz Provide a link.

Offline harry_

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Sorry guys, I'm not buying in.

I have a T15 that is a decade old. It has taken virtually everything I have thrown at it. I've replaced the cases once a few years back and the batteries last year. The old batteries I kept for use in the radio of syslite. This things sees a 6-1/4 hole saw on a regular basis and usually run it in 'screw mode' when doing so, so as to not abuse my wrist.

It really seems like a facebook-esque post.

Just my  [2cents].
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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It seems in N.A. That Milwaukee tools are reliable and durable but, over here, many I know have had issues, repeated issues too.
To be honest, I had the use of a Milwaukee drill and impact driver for three days, and I was very impressed with them. Awesome torque and power, yet the chap that owned them wasn’t over impressed.

I know for sure, that no matter what brand of power tools are being used, they will not last long, if the user doesn’t respect and look after them.
My employees know my thoughts on respecting tools and looking after them, and they treat them like they paid for them themselves.

A temporary worker we had recently abused a mitre saw, and damaged it, and almost lost a finger.
He was very experienced but, trying to speed up the job. I have no time for these types.

If my regular employees mistreated the company tools, they would either be asked to buy their own, or look for another job.

Offline Alanbach

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I own over a dozen Festool’s and love all of them (except maybe the Carvex). However, I have not bought any Festool cordless Tools. All of my cordless are Milwaukee M18 and M12 and they are great!

Offline Warg

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I’ve found Hilti to be best for industrial/ abusive use and festool for finishing use.

Hilti’s service turnaround times and lifetime warranty is unbeatable in my experience, plus the tools are very well made.

Offline Slider613

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I’ve found Hilti to be best for industrial/ abusive use and festool for finishing use.

Hilti’s service turnaround times and lifetime warranty is unbeatable in my experience, plus the tools are very well made.

I agree,  I would never buy Festool power tools and hand them out to my workers on a Jobsite. I either buy mid range products like Milwaukee, Dewat etc.. or just rent them from Hilti if it’s a specialty need.
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Plus a whole stack of accessories

Offline mino

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Reminds me of the teardown people like to point to on YouTube of the TS 55. I don't really care that the inside is plastic, because I don't abuse my tools.
Seconded.

Still remember the tear-down of a TS55 R where the guy was banishing the brass/friction bearing as something "low quality/cheap". Not understanding that a friction bearing is the most precise type of a bearing one can make - and the most expensive one when it is to be not only precise but also durable.

Combine that with folks using the TS for metal cutting, destroying the sensitive friction bearings in the process ...

Precise tools for precise work.
Power/Performance optimized tools for heavy work.

Buying Festool (Maffell, Fein etc.) for a job a cheaper but high-powered Millwaukee, Devalt or Makita will handle just as well is simply a wrong choice of a tool for a job.

Offline fshanno

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This post means nothing to me.  It's nonsense.
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Offline six-point socket II

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Hey, you're leaving out the amazing pictures of @Cheese 's Goldens . No post/thread can ever be nonsense when it leads to the posting of pictures of Goldens!  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

 [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [not worthy] [not worthy] [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

Kind(est) regards,
Oli'generally-loves-the-Goldens'ver
Kind regards,
Oliver

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