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Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #90 on: November 02, 2022, 04:24 PM »
@guybo Thanks mate. I tried a couple of Stehle blades for my TS55, but I hated them. The edge goes off them so, so quickly. The same happened with the Freud ones I tried - which was strange, because their 305mm x 100-tooth blades which I use on my DWS780 are fabulous. The cheap Trend ones referred to in my post above (irrespective of what Mr. Coen says) are absolutely stellar for the ridiculously low price. So the steel isn't as fancy and they're not polished with unicorn tears. Maybe so - but after 32 years on the tools as a pro, I know exactly when an aftermarket blade is doing an identical job to OEM and when it's not.

Edit = and oh, putting a 160mm blade on a TS60 somewhat defeats the object of buying a saw with a deeper cut, don't you think?

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« Last Edit: November 02, 2022, 04:33 PM by woodbutcherbower »

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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #91 on: November 02, 2022, 05:00 PM »
Why isn’t anyone thinking of 165mm blades?
In Europe it’s almost everywhere with nearly any manufacturer.

You loose 1,5mm depth.
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #92 on: November 02, 2022, 05:22 PM »
I don't go through blades anyway near the rate that @woodbutcherbower does, but all of my spares are either actual Festool or Leitz. We have a Leitz rep that comes into the shop every week though, so it is really handy. It takes 2 weeks to get them back, so I have to keep a couple of good ones on hand at all times. I switch back and forth between the 48 tooth ATB and a triple-chip (TCG) for cutting solid surface.
The only "aftermarket" blade I have is the ripping blade for the TS75. It was all they had at the local dealer when I needed one quickly. It seems to work fine, but I have never tried the actual Panther one.
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Offline kifi

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #93 on: November 10, 2022, 03:41 PM »
I take back everything I said about the TS60. Think that just those few mm makes no difference? I jumped in with both feet, thinking "The number of times a TS55 doesn't cut deep enough only happens once or twice a year, and I can finish the cut using a Japanese saw as usual. If I need to cut much thicker material, I'll either use the shop bandsaw or out onsite - my P1CC with a 150mm or 200mm Bosch blade hung on the end of it''. Well - right enough 99.9% of the time, but today I was fitting new 38mm laminate countertops for a customer's kitchen makeover;

Customer - "Can you do me a waterfall on the end of the countertop run so that it folds over and then continues down to the floor?"

Me - "Sure I can ........" (knowing that these are always tricky because the 45-degree countertop bevels have to be super-square, super-accurate and super-clean, and the cheap laminate the customer had bought chips out alarmingly easily). 

But - the countertops weren't 38mm, were they? They were an oddball 43mm (which I've never, ever encountered before in over 300 kitchen jobs), and the TS55's 45-degree bevel cuts at maximum plunge weren't deep enough. Absolute nightmare. I fixed it and got it done, but it took forever. My TS55 is ancient, so when it's 'either spend some money or pay more tax' time at the end of the year, I'll be upgrading. I'll even modify the racking in my van to take the looney-tunes new Systainer3 size for it.

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FWIW - I don't care about the lack of a riving knife either, the only kickback I ever had was caused by a combination of tiredness, complacency and my own stupidity. Even using saws with one, if I'm in any doubt whatsoever about the tail-end of a cut closing up on me, I'll always pop a wedge in there just to be sure. My humble apologies to Festool's design team for instantly dismissing their splendid new machine. I feel like a bit of a chump [crying]

That waterfall edge is impressive. Aside from the saw limitations, How do you achieve such a nice edge? I’m sure it’s more than “set bevel to 45 and with a sharp blade, cut!” ?

Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #94 on: November 10, 2022, 06:12 PM »
@kifi Thankyou. But there's no magic. As you say - a sharp (preferably new) blade, set bevel to 45, and cut the horizontal piece slowly in one pass, with your guide rail set at bang-on 90 degrees using a TSO GRS-16 guide rail square. Since the other end of this piece was going to have a butt & scribe joint, this bevel cut was done first, the piece of worktop was then cut to length before the far end was routed into a masons mitre with a jig, including the three 'dogbone' apertures underneath for the butterfly jointing bolts. I use an OF2200 with a 30mm guide bush, a Unika jig, and a 12.7mm x 50.8mm half-inch cutter - a new one for every joint since laminate blunts cutters very quickly. The sharpest cutters give the tightest, most invisible joints.

The vertical bevel cut was done next - using the offcut end of the worktop I'd just bevelled. This provided the closest possible match to the grain pattern on the laminate. Similarly - the bevel cut was done first, the piece was then measured accurately and cut to the correct height. To align the two halves of the joint, each bevel cut was then splined using a Makita plate jointer set at 45 degrees - six biscuits for the joint at approximately 75mm intervals.

The vertical section was then clamped accurately and fixed to the outside of the cabinet by screwing through from the inside of the cabinet. Both bevel faces were flooded with Titebond II, and the horizontal piece was then placed on the cabinet top, and tapped across towards the vertical bevel using a rubber mallet until the joint splines locked together. The tiny gap between the upper edges of the joint were filled using a colour-matched Unika Colorfill compound and 'wiped' to invisibility using acetone whilst it was still wet. Once set, the horizontal section of worktop was screwed to the cabinet top from underneath, and the far-end masons mitre joint was then bolted up.

Sounds complex but wasn't. It's a just a process to be done in a certain order. Hope that helps.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2022, 06:23 PM by woodbutcherbower »

Offline kifi

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #95 on: November 10, 2022, 06:32 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed reply. Much appreciated

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #96 on: November 10, 2022, 08:16 PM »
Yes, very thorough, but what is a “mason’s mitre”?

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #97 on: November 10, 2022, 09:14 PM »
Yes, very thorough, but what is a “mason’s mitre”?

45º miter at the front edge into a straight cut.

Normally cut with a router and template.

Tom
« Last Edit: November 10, 2022, 09:17 PM by tjbnwi »

Offline Coen

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #98 on: November 11, 2022, 01:43 PM »
I still wonder about those... what happens when you bump into that edge with a heavy pot? Won't crack? And if creating this costs you multiple cutters... why even do it with cheap laminate?

Of if you just walk into it... must be painful. It looks like a rather sharp edge.
I once hit my head on a countertop edge during my way down when I lost consciousness... I am rather happy it wasn't such an edge  [tongue]

Yes, very thorough, but what is a “mason’s mitre”?

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Offline Oilers

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #99 on: November 14, 2022, 09:54 PM »
Has anyone actually had their hands on one of these yet?

Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2022, 10:17 PM »
Has anyone actually had their hands on one of these yet?

I’ve had mine for two weeks. It’s a truly lovely saw with several advantages over the TS55 - such as the fact that you can lay it on its side whilst changing the blade. All I need now are sensibly-priced aftermarket blades.

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #101 on: November 15, 2022, 03:39 AM »
I had a play with one at a woodworking show last weekend.  I only used it on the crosscut rail, but it felt like a nice machine with plenty of power. A little plasticky compared to my Mafell. I think if I was in the market for a new track saw I'd jump for it as a nice middle ground does it all.
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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #102 on: November 15, 2022, 04:54 AM »
Has anyone actually had their hands on one of these yet?
its been a while but ive wandered back on here..

Yes i've had access to one for a while, I'd say at first i couldn't figure its place in the lineup.
After a few days of use its my go to track saw. Hard to say exactly why but its just simply so smooth and powerful.
Done side to side comparison with TS55 F and its Noticeably quicker.
Balance is brilliant but the thing i love is the actual drop action itself, so smooth and easy. Big Thumbs up from me.👍

Ive been meaning to do a Youtube on it but running out of hours in the day...🙄

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Offline Coen

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #103 on: November 15, 2022, 11:31 AM »
Now all they need to do is make one with a riving knife  [tongue]

Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #104 on: November 15, 2022, 01:27 PM »
Now all they need to do is make one with a riving knife  [tongue]

Literally the first thing I did was to take the new saw out of its case and test the anti-kickback function. It's superb, and is triggered by the slightest upwards lift. I was also initially dubious, but it convinced me in 10 seconds flat.

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #105 on: November 16, 2022, 12:20 AM »
Now all they need to do is make one with a riving knife  [tongue]
Literally the first thing I did was to take the new saw out of its case and test the anti-kickback function. It's superb, and is triggered by the slightest upwards lift. I was also initially dubious, but it convinced me in 10 seconds flat.
It's not just that. No riving knife = gouging the surface of the cut when the kerf closes.

Offline Coen

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #106 on: November 16, 2022, 11:19 AM »
Now all they need to do is make one with a riving knife  [tongue]

Literally the first thing I did was to take the new saw out of its case and test the anti-kickback function. It's superb, and is triggered by the slightest upwards lift. I was also initially dubious, but it convinced me in 10 seconds flat.

I don't give a flying [...] about the anti-kickback. I want that on my drills, but Festool doesn't offer it there. The riving knife prevents the cut from closing on the back of the saw and thus prevents horrible cut quality in that case. Something the sensor can't do anything about.

It's like taking out the flares from a fighter jet and adding a better cushion in the ejector seat....

Offline squall_line

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #107 on: November 16, 2022, 11:40 AM »
the anti-kickback. I want that on my drills, but Festool doesn't offer it there.

I thought the TPC and TDC had anti-kickback now?

I agree with the rest of the statement about the riving knife with regards to affecting cut quality.

Offline Coen

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Re: Festool TS60 K ?
« Reply #108 on: November 16, 2022, 12:42 PM »
the anti-kickback. I want that on my drills, but Festool doesn't offer it there.

I thought the TPC and TDC had anti-kickback now?


I stand corrected. But by that time my Bosch was already past it's return window.