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Offline six-point socket II

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2021, 10:58 AM »
I guess a few disgruntled/annoyed customers are cheaper on the long haul than keeping an under appreciated, probably not widely understood, product line on the market. Sad but true.

Personally I'm really saddened, because it works like a charm - then again, I stocked up & time will tell how to deal with this in future.

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Oliver
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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2021, 11:53 AM »
All Surfix products are MIA in the 2021 catalogue.

Like Oliver originally stated, the Surfix products didn't make either the UK or German catalogue but they are still listed on both of the websites.  [smile]

Offline Rich Kline

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2021, 02:53 PM »
I guess a few disgruntled/annoyed customers are cheaper on the long haul than keeping an under appreciated, probably not widely understood, product line on the market. Sad but true.

Personally I'm really saddened, because it works like a charm - then again, I stocked up & time will tell how to deal with this in future.

Kind regards,
Oliver

@six-point socket II I'm also a big fan of Surfix thanks to @JoryBrigham.  Any idea what the shelf life is on the heavy duty oil?  In terms of buying extra stock.  I could easily store it in doors.

Thanks,
Rich

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2021, 03:17 PM »
@Rich Kline  Rich, what I keep hearing is +-5 years at least for unopened, original containers. Someone I know, who certainly is not a "story teller", bought one of the 5l containers, after using some of it and keeping it stored in the big container, he noticed the oil started oxidizing. So he distributed all of the remaining oil into smaller containers, less space for air. Seems to work for him, closing in on the 5 years.

So I'd say, original container, unopened and in a cool & dark place. Certainly 5 years. Once open, I'd say the less air it gets, the better.

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2021, 03:21 PM »
What about replacing the oxygen with nitrogen or Bloxygen? The inert gas is heavier than air so it would replace the oxygen and cancel any oxidation

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2021, 04:26 PM »
From Festool for Outdoor & One-Step:
Store in a cool and dry place. Durable for at least 5 years when unopened. Seal broken/open containers. Pack the rest in smaller containers.

From Festool for Heavy Duty:
Store in a cool and dry place. Durable for at least 2 years when unopened. Seal broken/open containers. Pack the rest in smaller containers.
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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2021, 09:21 PM »
I just checked the UK and the German websites and all of Surfix products are still listed. I assume they'll remain listed until the inventory is gone. I'm going to purchase some back-up today from Woodcraft.  [smile]

I have a couple orders in with woodcraft and they are all backordered.
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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2021, 09:39 PM »
What kind of mileage can be expected from a pad?

They are reusable right?
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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2021, 10:29 PM »
They are reusable right?

Kind of...in the past Bob, because they were considered to be a disposable I just used them and tossed them. Now the catch is to find a solvent that will remove the oil from the pad while not destroying its foam structure. After that maybe a soap and water wash may be needed to neutralize the pad.. just another venture for sure and I’m sure that Festool corporate can supply some answers if of course they weren’t so preoccupied with whatever that seems to consume their entire days and evenings. Festool can be so irritating.

So, it was 5 years ago that I suggested to Festool that they give a heads-up to FOG members on what products they were obsoleting so that we could fill in the missing spaces in real time before the products became extinct. Just a friendly, considerate, we appreciate your patronage salute. 

Festool replied that they thought it was a good idea and they would consider it. Well, 5 years later and we’re still at the same point in time that we were 5 years ago...who says time doesn’t stand still.


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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2021, 01:37 AM »
I use lava soap to deep clean fine bristle paint brushes. It was a recommendation on Wooster Brush site video. I think it has lanolin which helps lift oil and grease. I’ve also had good results with a few drops of dawn liquid soap and warm water. So that might work for cleaning the residue. I have no experience with the foam pads, but I’m thinking that it might work.

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2021, 07:29 AM »
Cleaning these pads is a triple nightmare.

1) Environmental: You need tons of water, soap and/or other solvents. Chances are you still won't get the desired result, a pad that is re-usable. And basically, you're not supposed to wash this down the drain in first place. (Especially if you do/use this commercially ...)
2) Cost: You spent a lot of time cleaning the pad and additionally the solvents & water aren't free either.
3) Cursing: When you take out the pad you thought you had cleaned well enough and it is not usable anymore.

All you can do is to wrap it tight before putting it in the metal container, then you can use the same pad for a couple of weeks/ through a bigger project.

From an economical viewpoint trashing it afterwards is the way to go.

I was able to save exactly one pad, the one I used to test the oil on the staircase. It had very little oil on and in it, and I was able to get the oil out with warm water and soap. It took almost 15 minutes, and keep in mind, that was lightly stained with oil ...

Get as many pads as you think you might need while supplies last. It's by far & overall the cheapest option.

The only thing I clean is the adapter plate. And thats hard enough.

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Oliver
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Oliver

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2021, 10:21 AM »
Ya I agree with Oliver, to clean the foam pads is a real bear. Once a pad has been used I keep it in the tin container and it's useable for about a week. If you don't use it for a couple of days, put some more oil on the pad and it will soften up. Make sure to keep it out of the sun and in a cool place.

The large base with hook & loop has a lot of service life in it. I've gone through about 40 sponge pads before I decided to replace the base.

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2021, 11:07 AM »
I'll just rain on your parade by saying that Surfix setup was a gimmick. Wasteful solution in search of a problem. What's wrong with a disposable scrap of foam or cloth.

Offline serge0n

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2021, 12:31 PM »
Got my Zobo bit set yesterday, bought one of the last sets from Amazon for $162. They were shipped from UK even though I placed my order on the Amazon US site. Took 12 days to get here, which is nice.

Quality of cut is outstanding, extremely clean holes. It also cuts very fast. I love Fisch forstner bits, but Zobo is way better.

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2021, 03:05 PM »
Cleaning these pads is a triple nightmare.

1) Environmental: You need tons of water, soap and/or other solvents. Chances are you still won't get the desired result, a pad that is re-usable. And basically, you're not supposed to wash this down the drain in first place. (Especially if you do/use this commercially ...)
2) Cost: You spent a lot of time cleaning the pad and additionally the solvents & water aren't free either.
3) Cursing: When you take out the pad you thought you had cleaned well enough and it is not usable anymore.

All you can do is to wrap it tight before putting it in the metal container, then you can use the same pad for a couple of weeks/ through a bigger project.

From an economical viewpoint trashing it afterwards is the way to go.

I was able to save exactly one pad, the one I used to test the oil on the staircase. It had very little oil on and in it, and I was able to get the oil out with warm water and soap. It took almost 15 minutes, and keep in mind, that was lightly stained with oil ...

Get as many pads as you think you might need while supplies last. It's by far & overall the cheapest option.

The only thing I clean is the adapter plate. And thats hard enough.

Kind regards,
Oliver

There you have it, that’s why it’s going obsolete  [big grin]
Most use polishing sponges and cotton rags, wear gloves and throw it afterwards. Probably much cheaper.
The only things I wash is high quality paint brushes (as these also performs better when run in) and my lamb wool polishing pads for car/boat/caravan use.

Honestly, if it had better re-use value, the concept is great though.
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Offline Abditory

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2021, 10:17 PM »
Just found a metric  Zobo set after checking a dozen retailers.  I‘d like to get the imperial set as well if any are still around.

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Re: Festool Surfix and Swiss Made CE Zobo drill bits discontinued.
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2021, 01:10 PM »
I'll just rain on your parade by saying that Surfix setup was a gimmick. Wasteful solution in search of a problem. What's wrong with a disposable scrap of foam or cloth.
Surfix is a way to use a disposable scrap of (oil-resistant) foam. Just saying.
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