Author Topic: Festool Sander Guide (Read 103525 times)

SRSemenza · « **on:** March 12, 2017, 01:55 PM »

Here is a link to a well done guide to help choose the right Festool sander.

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/03/which-festool-sander/

Seth

Scott Burt · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2017, 03:31 PM »

Quote from: SRSemenza on March 12, 2017, 01:55 PM

Here is a link to a well done guide to help choose the right Festool sander.

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/03/which-festool-sander/

Seth

Wow, thanks for sharing, Seth.

I am happy to help people figure them out. And there are many users here who also know a great deal about the sanders.

Brian Livingstone · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2017, 02:44 PM »

Hi Scott,

I really found this to be helpful. I bought the LS130 last week for a stair refinish project.

Took me a good thirty minutes to figure out how to change the pads. Doh !

Thanks for the good work.

Brian

Scott Burt · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2017, 07:00 PM »

Quote from: Brian Livingstone on March 13, 2017, 02:44 PM

Hi Scott,

I really found this to be helpful. I bought the LS130 last week for a stair refinish project.

Took me a good thirty minutes to figure out how to change the pads. Doh !

Thanks for the good work.

Brian

Glad to hear it, Brian. Yes, the LS130 IS the stair master!!

ben_r_ · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2017, 03:59 PM »

Excellent. Ill be directing some folks to this.

jtwood · « **Reply #5 on:** March 22, 2017, 12:04 AM »

A terrific reference. Thanks for posting.

Steve

Midnight Man · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2017, 08:21 AM »

Thank you for sharing this guide!

I've recently come back to setting up a workshop (life got in the way the past 12 months), and have just started kitting out with Festool equipment, sanders were on my list to research tonight.

As it happens, this guide opened my eyes to the RTS400, which I believe will actually suit me better than the RTS300 I was looking at - so my heartfelt thanks for a very timely post

Scott Burt · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2017, 11:40 AM »

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I am glad to hear that you are finding the information helpful.

jdw101 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2017, 09:05 AM »

Quote from: Scott Burt on March 27, 2017, 11:40 AM

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I am glad to hear that you are finding the information helpful.

Thank you for the guide, it was very enjoyable to read! I ended up buying a Rotex Ro 125 before I read this guide about two weeks ago (already have an older ETS 150/5 EQ) and I probably would not have purchased it had I read your guide first and gone for something else. I mainly do woodworking interior like cabinets and furniture. My 5/50 was a used hand-me-down from my brother who has every festool made x 2 or 3 and so I never really even learned how to purchase a Festool sander.

It bums me out, I love the 125, the idea of it, I won't be doing any exterior sanding, none. I hope that it works for me but I'll still keep it and just buy another one, the idea of giving it up now bothers me :| Can't I just pretend it's great for cabinets and furniture? I guess the 90 would have been a smart one to get, that's next if so!

Scott Burt · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2017, 09:08 PM »

Quote from: jdw101 on April 26, 2017, 09:05 AM

Quote from: Scott Burt on March 27, 2017, 11:40 AM
Thanks for the feedback, guys. I am glad to hear that you are finding the information helpful.

Thank you for the guide, it was very enjoyable to read! I ended up buying a Rotex Ro 125 before I read this guide about two weeks ago (already have an older ETS 150/5 EQ) and I probably would not have purchased it had I read your guide first and gone for something else. I mainly do woodworking interior like cabinets and furniture. My 5/50 was a used hand-me-down from my brother who has every festool made x 2 or 3 and so I never really even learned how to purchase a Festool sander.

It bums me out, I love the 125, the idea of it, I won't be doing any exterior sanding, none. I hope that it works for me but I'll still keep it and just buy another one, the idea of giving it up now bothers me :| Can't I just pretend it's great for cabinets and furniture? I guess the 90 would have been a smart one to get, that's next if so!

I love the RO125 as a tool, and it can do a lot for you in the finish realm, albeit bulky and requiring some technique to balance. It will excel on horizontals for you.

I see a DTS400 in your future.

Holmz · « **Reply #10 on:** October 26, 2017, 03:32 AM »

I did not see the BS series in there...

Peter Halle · « **Reply #11 on:** October 26, 2017, 06:35 AM »

Quote from: Holmz on October 26, 2017, 03:32 AM

I did not see the BS series in there...

Scott is based in North America. The BS series of sanders are not offered by Festool here.

Peter

Holmz · « **Reply #12 on:** October 26, 2017, 06:50 AM »

Quote from: Peter Halle on October 26, 2017, 06:35 AM

Quote from: Holmz on October 26, 2017, 03:32 AM
I did not see the BS series in there...

Scott is based in North America. The BS series of sanders are not offered by Festool here.

Peter

That makes sense now.

Naildrivingman · « **Reply #13 on:** December 21, 2017, 08:44 PM »

So I read the link. I’m really drawn to the RO90, but the cost seems high for the need I have to fill (delta pad work). I’m tempted to go the DTS 400, but I’ve read that the point wears outs much quicker than the rest of the paper. I have a Fein multimaster and the detail work I’ve done with it is acceptable, but not great. I’m currently running a Pro5 and RO150. I use the 150 for 80 grit cut on new material to remove mill marks and I finish with the Pro5 to 120 or finer.

Ultimately, I think the RO90 is overkill simply for detail work. I think the DTS400 will be next and the ETS150/3 will round out my stable. If my Pro5 craps out, I will probably replace it with an ETS125 REQ

I am open to other suggestions.

SRSemenza · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2017, 11:56 PM »

Quote from: Naildrivingman on December 21, 2017, 08:44 PM

So I read the link. I’m really drawn to the RO90, but the cost seems high for the need I have to fill (delta pad work). I’m tempted to go the DTS 400, but I’ve read that the point wears outs much quicker than the rest of the paper. I have a Fein multimaster and the detail work I’ve done with it is acceptable, but not great. I’m currently running a Pro5 and RO150. I use the 150 for 80 grit cut on new material to remove mill marks and I finish with the Pro5 to 120 or finer.

Ultimately, I think the RO90 is overkill simply for detail work. I think the DTS400 will be next and the ETS150/3 will round out my stable. If my Pro5 craps out, I will probably replace it with an ETS125 REQ

I am open to other suggestions.

I have an RO90. I use it as a "jack of all trades" site work sander. The fact that it is small, random orbit, aggressive and delta makes it so I can just take one sander for most things. I keep a selection of delta and disk abrasives in the RO90 Sys which makes a handy single Sys - II package. If the job is a real sanding job or I know there is some particular or significant sanding, then I prefer others for non- delta sanding tasks and take additional sanders.

Things I personally don't like about the RO90 (round) ......... can be hard to keep flat (need to be paying attention), I find it hard to keep the right pressure on the pad on narrow edges , and also harder to keep flat on edges than a larger pad.

I don't have a DTS but I am pretty sure the RO90 (delta) has better reach than the DTS. And the extended reach pad for the RO90 (delta) is significant compared to the DTS. So that may be a consideration. I find the delta mode to be excellent.

However the things that I both like and dislike are also exactly what allows it to do just about any sanding job .......... jack of all trades.

Yes, the abrasive point does wear fast (er) which can be somewhat remedied by rotating the abrasive.

Seth

Naildrivingman · « **Reply #15 on:** December 22, 2017, 10:53 AM »

Quote from: SRSemenza on December 21, 2017, 11:56 PM

Quote from: Naildrivingman on December 21, 2017, 08:44 PM
So I read the link. I’m really drawn to the RO90, but the cost seems high for the need I have to fill (delta pad work). I’m tempted to go the DTS 400, but I’ve read that the point wears outs much quicker than the rest of the paper. I have a Fein multimaster and the detail work I’ve done with it is acceptable, but not great. I’m currently running a Pro5 and RO150. I use the 150 for 80 grit cut on new material to remove mill marks and I finish with the Pro5 to 120 or finer.

Ultimately, I think the RO90 is overkill simply for detail work. I think the DTS400 will be next and the ETS150/3 will round out my stable. If my Pro5 craps out, I will probably replace it with an ETS125 REQ

I am open to other suggestions.

I have an RO90. I use it as a "jack of all trades" site work sander. The fact that it is small, random orbit, aggressive and delta makes it so I can just take one sander for most things. I keep a selection of delta and disk abrasives in the RO90 Sys which makes a handy single Sys - II package. If the job is a real sanding job or I know there is some particular or significant sanding, then I prefer others for non- delta sanding tasks and take additional sanders.

Things I personally don't like about the RO90 (round) ......... can be hard to keep flat (need to be paying attention), I find it hard to keep the right pressure on the pad on narrow edges , and also harder to keep flat on edges than a larger pad.

I don't have a DTS but I am pretty sure the RO90 (delta) has better reach than the DTS. And the extended reach pad for the RO90 (delta) is significant compared to the DTS. So that may be a consideration. I find the delta mode to be excellent.

However the things that I both like and dislike are also exactly what allows it to do just about any sanding job .......... jack of all trades.

Yes, the abrasive point does wear fast (er) which can be somewhat remedied by rotating the abrasive.

Seth

Quote from: Naildrivingman on December 21, 2017, 08:44 PM

So I read the link. I’m really drawn to the RO90, but the cost seems high for the need I have to fill (delta pad work). I’m tempted to go the DTS 400, but I’ve read that the point wears outs much quicker than the rest of the paper. I have a Fein multimaster and the detail work I’ve done with it is acceptable, but not great. I’m currently running a Pro5 and RO150. I use the 150 for 80 grit cut on new material to remove mill marks and I finish with the Pro5 to 120 or finer.

Ultimately, I think the RO90 is overkill simply for detail work. I think the DTS400 will be next and the ETS150/3 will round out my stable. If my Pro5 craps out, I will probably replace it with an ETS125 REQ

I am open to other suggestions.

Thanks @SRSemenza

I have steered away from the RO90 because I don’t see myself using the round pad as much as the Delta for the tipsy reason. You mention that you think the 90 gets into tighter spots than the 400 because of its reach. I get that. Do you find that the overall length of the tool gets in the way ever? That may be another reason for me to consider the 400. From a leverage standpoint, I can see the tip of the 90 delta digging in faster and easier than the 400.

All in all, I really like the RO150 as my general go to sander. My need for detail work is not great, but when I need a detail tool...I REALLY need one. My Fein MM works ok, but it can really dig in fast. I have to be Uber careful with it.

Does anyone have a condensed description of what the functions are for the various accessory pads? I typically use what came on the tool. The standard pad has served me well, but I should have knowledge on what the others do.

Thanks so far for advice.

Edit> fixed quote box for clarity

SRSemenza · « **Reply #16 on:** December 22, 2017, 11:23 AM »

Quote from: Naildrivingman on December 22, 2017, 10:53 AM

Thanks @SRSemenza

I have steered away from the RO90 because I don’t see myself using the round pad as much as the Delta for the tipsy reason. You mention that you think the 90 gets into tighter spots than the 400 because of its reach. I get that. Do you find that the overall length of the tool gets in the way ever? That may be another reason for me to consider the 400. From a leverage standpoint, I can see the tip of the 90 delta digging in faster and easier than the 400.

All in all, I really like the RO150 as my general go to sander. My need for detail work is not great, but when I need a detail tool...I REALLY need one. My Fein MM works ok, but it can really dig in fast. I have to be Uber careful with it.

Does anyone have a condensed description of what the functions are for the various accessory pads? I typically use what came on the tool. The standard pad has served me well, but I should have knowledge on what the others do.

Thanks so far for advice.

Yes, I have had the length get in the way a couple times, not prevent use completely but get in the way. It certainly could prevent use. On the other hand the length is useful when trying to smooth out some inside corner or harder to reach spot (both length / style of tool and length of pad). I find that I get very good control using it on details. Easy to poke the tip into something, hold , maneuver in places where I think a palm grip could be difficult.

I haven't had a problem with the tip digging in too much. Tool shape makes it easy to control in that respect. And I think visibility might be better than the DTS when reaching into a detail spot.

It really comes down to specifics of the sanding situation as to whether the DTS or RO90 is the right/best tool for the job.

BTW, it isn't that the round pad isn't generally good it just depends the task coupled with personal preference.

Seth

MrToolJunkie · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2017, 05:22 PM »

I have them both and they both excel at different things. The DTS shines when sanding next to an edge as the pad is rounded and the sander does not skitter away where as the RO does not work as well. The RO has a hard and soft option and an extended option, so it can get into tighter areas - it is lower profile than the DTS, but the DTS is much shorter in length - both have advantages/disadvantages.

I prefer the DTS when sanding on edges of material as the orbital does not tend to want to walk off the edge as easily as with an RO type sander.

I do not have issues with either digging into material - they both work well. The key with the RO I have found is to hold one end by the cord and the other hand on the front and it is easy to control and keep flat. The DTS is very easy to use one-handed.

Both have their place IMHO.

Brian Livingstone · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2017, 06:43 PM »

Hi Scott,

Here is my inventory:

RO150- surprised how much I use it.
RS2 - use it a lot.
LS130- I don’t use it a lot, but when I use it, I love it.
DTS 400 REQ- use it a lot.

Thinking about the RTS400 REQ. Does it make sense with the DTS ?
Definitely want the ETS EC150/3

Might get the RO125.

Sold my RO90. Don’t miss it.

Cabinetmaker, furniture maker, generalist.

Thanks.

Scott Burt · « **Reply #19 on:** December 23, 2017, 11:28 AM »

Quote from: Brian Livingstone on December 22, 2017, 06:43 PM

Hi Scott,

Here is my inventory:

RO150- surprised how much I use it.
RS2 - use it a lot.
LS130- I don’t use it a lot, but when I use it, I love it.
DTS 400 REQ- use it a lot.

Thinking about the RTS400 REQ. Does it make sense with the DTS ?
Definitely want the ETS EC150/3

Might get the RO125.

Sold my RO90. Don’t miss it.

Cabinetmaker, furniture maker, generalist.

Thanks.

Hi Brian

You have a good stable for your work, it sounds like. I too love Rotex, and mostly when I need power. I rarely use any of the Rotex in orbital mode (with the exception of the 90 delta). I find them to be a bit cumbersome compared to the sportier 3mm and 5mm stroke ec tec lines. The 150/5 is one of my most frequent grabs.

I totally agree on the LS130. Don't need it often, but when you need it, nothing else will do. I have found more uses than I thought, such as sanding crown on exteriors (which I know you don't probably do).

RS2 is a sweetheart for tops and large surfaces, for sure. The gentle giant.

Now, in my work (which is a variety of everything from serious cabinet grade to rough exterior work), the DTS400 is usually in my stack and I usually try to work with just two sanders a day (hard sometimes), so I am always looking for the right two, and the DTS is usually one of the two.

In my opinion, the RTS400 is a great little sander, but perhaps somewhat redundant since you have the DTS. The DTS can do most everything that the RTS can do, while there are many things the DTS can do that the RTS can't. DTS is more versatile.

It always boils down to knowing what type of work you do and HOW you want to work, when selecting your ideal fleet.

I do use the RTS alot but mostly when it is specific to face frames or square stock that is exactly the size of the RTS pad. You can take it into corners, but not with the finesse of the DTS. However, you do already have the LS, so it would share abrasives with that, and not require to stock a new abrasive line, that is convenient.

So to make a short answer long, I would check out other useful options before pulling the trigger on a RTS. Check out the ec tecs, and you may also appreciate the extractable blocks. I use those things all the time at super high grits. There are some final sands (especially on clear finishes), that I just don't want to put a power sander on at all.

Hope this helps.

Scott Burt · « **Reply #20 on:** December 23, 2017, 11:40 AM »

Quote from: SRSemenza on December 21, 2017, 11:56 PM

Quote from: Naildrivingman on December 21, 2017, 08:44 PM
So I read the link. I’m really drawn to the RO90, but the cost seems high for the need I have to fill (delta pad work). I’m tempted to go the DTS 400, but I’ve read that the point wears outs much quicker than the rest of the paper. I have a Fein multimaster and the detail work I’ve done with it is acceptable, but not great. I’m currently running a Pro5 and RO150. I use the 150 for 80 grit cut on new material to remove mill marks and I finish with the Pro5 to 120 or finer.

Ultimately, I think the RO90 is overkill simply for detail work. I think the DTS400 will be next and the ETS150/3 will round out my stable. If my Pro5 craps out, I will probably replace it with an ETS125 REQ

I am open to other suggestions.

I have an RO90. I use it as a "jack of all trades" site work sander. The fact that it is small, random orbit, aggressive and delta makes it so I can just take one sander for most things. I keep a selection of delta and disk abrasives in the RO90 Sys which makes a handy single Sys - II package. If the job is a real sanding job or I know there is some particular or significant sanding, then I prefer others for non- delta sanding tasks and take additional sanders.

Things I personally don't like about the RO90 (round) ......... can be hard to keep flat (need to be paying attention), I find it hard to keep the right pressure on the pad on narrow edges , and also harder to keep flat on edges than a larger pad.

I don't have a DTS but I am pretty sure the RO90 (delta) has better reach than the DTS. And the extended reach pad for the RO90 (delta) is significant compared to the DTS. So that may be a consideration. I find the delta mode to be excellent.

However the things that I both like and dislike are also exactly what allows it to do just about any sanding job .......... jack of all trades.

Yes, the abrasive point does wear fast (er) which can be somewhat remedied by rotating the abrasive.

Seth

Interesting discussion about Delta options. To me the RO90 delta is something I really only use in very low grits for removal in corners. I rarely think of it as a finish sanding best option. The BIGGEST issue with the RO90 in delta is that there is little to no extraction, so I refer to that set up as the dirty dog. I am willing to pull the hose and suck up the mess as I go, without turning off the sander.

From that standpoint, the DTS far exceeds the 90delta mode as a delta option. There are times I wish the DTS pad could be smaller. But overall, it is more than just a delta sander, its a great orbital, and I completely agree with you about the challenge of doing finesse work with the 90. That isn't it's strength. But it is a little beast that I would find hard to not have. I also do like the extended delta option on the 90, that is quite handy for those hard to reach but visible places.

The tip of the DTS abrasive does wear, because that tends to be the functionality that everyone goes after the most. We have to rely on the thickness of the abrasive backing (which varies by abrasive line and even grit), and really keep an eye on it. When heated up for extended periods, the base pad feels it. When it wears, the tip of the abrasive has no hook and loop super power, so it can float and wrinkle a bit, which then causes the dreaded swirls.

While the abrasive can't be rotated, I have trained myself to use the two points on the back end as tips to go into corners where they will fit. That is one work around to maximize abrasive life.

To me, these are good things. Tools are meant to be used. And parts, while at times pricy, can easily be replaced. For that matter, I also wear out round pads after a couple of seasons of hard use. Again, it is usually related to heat. Working outdoors in the summer creates hot friction on the hook and loop.

It is a good idea for all sander owners to ask for a spare backing pad for your #1 as a stocking stuffer.

MrToolJunkie · « **Reply #21 on:** December 23, 2017, 03:20 PM »

Quote from: Brian Livingstone on December 22, 2017, 06:43 PM

Hi Scott,

Here is my inventory:

RO150- surprised how much I use it.
RS2 - use it a lot.
LS130- I don’t use it a lot, but when I use it, I love it.
DTS 400 REQ- use it a lot.

Thinking about the RTS400 REQ. Does it make sense with the DTS ?
Definitely want the ETS EC150/3

Might get the RO125.

Sold my RO90. Don’t miss it.

Cabinetmaker, furniture maker, generalist.

Thanks.

One thing I really like with the RTS is being able to add foam backing pads to it for contoured sanding. This is not an option on the DTS (I wish it were). But, this was a great way for me to sand 4 sets of dining chair legs and the RTS really earned its keep in this application. The round sanders would sometimes fly off the edge if I was not careful.

RobBob · « **Reply #22 on:** December 23, 2017, 03:28 PM »

Quote from: ScotF on December 23, 2017, 03:20 PM

Quote from: Brian Livingstone on December 22, 2017, 06:43 PM
Hi Scott,

Here is my inventory:

RO150- surprised how much I use it.
RS2 - use it a lot.
LS130- I don’t use it a lot, but when I use it, I love it.
DTS 400 REQ- use it a lot.

Thinking about the RTS400 REQ. Does it make sense with the DTS ?
Definitely want the ETS EC150/3

Might get the RO125.

Sold my RO90. Don’t miss it.

Cabinetmaker, furniture maker, generalist.

Thanks.

One thing I really like with the RTS is being able to add foam backing pads to it for contoured sanding. This is not an option on the DTS (I wish it were). But, this was a great way for me to sand 4 sets of dining chair legs and the RTS really earned its keep in this application. The round sanders would sometimes fly off the edge if I was not careful.

Can't you easily trim the RTS backing pads to match the DTS delta shape?

MrToolJunkie · « **Reply #23 on:** December 23, 2017, 03:38 PM »

I am not sure the base matches exactly and the DC holes would not line up - I suppose you could in theory do it since it is just foam and H&L backing.

Bob D. · « **Reply #24 on:** December 26, 2017, 04:52 AM »

Quote from: Holmz on October 26, 2017, 06:50 AM

Quote from: Peter Halle on October 26, 2017, 06:35 AM
Quote from: Holmz on October 26, 2017, 03:32 AM
I did not see the BS series in there...

Scott is based in North America. The BS series of sanders are not offered by Festool here.

Peter

That makes sense now.

Yes, that explains why it is not included in the guide,
but why are the BS 75 and BS 105 NAINA?

Were they ever and just not enough sales to justify keeping them in the lineup?

Naildrivingman · « **Reply #25 on:** December 27, 2017, 11:04 PM »

I started with the DTS 400. Purchased it yesterday, used it today. Something was wrong with it. Regardless of speed of tool or intensity of suction, the sander jumped all over. Figuring it was a similar issue to the Pro 5, I brought it back for exchange only to find they had no more 400s in stock and to order would take 2-3 weeks. I opted for the RO90.

Lotsa sander for detail work, but I absolutely love my RO150,so I think the 90 will grow on me.

Interesting note, the local FT rep recommends Granat first and always for the 90, but prefers Rubin for the Pro5 and RO150 for bare wood sanding. I’ve been a Rubin fan since day 1. I hope Granat does not grow on me...the cost and quantity/box offered can be daunting.

SRSemenza · « **Reply #26 on:** December 27, 2017, 11:09 PM »

Quote from: Naildrivingman on December 27, 2017, 11:04 PM

I started with the DTS 400. Purchased it yesterday, used it today. Something was wrong with it. Regardless of speed of tool or intensity of suction, the sander jumped all over. Figuring it was a similar issue to the Pro 5, I brought it back for exchange only to find they had no more 400s in stock and to order would take 2-3 weeks. I opted for the RO90.

Lotsa sander for detail work, but I absolutely love my RO150,so I think the 90 will grow on me.

Interesting note, the local FT rep recommends Granat first and always for the 90, but prefers Rubin for the Pro5 and RO150 for bare wood sanding. I’ve been a Rubin fan since day 1. I hope Granat does not grow on me...the cost and quantity/box offered can be daunting.

Though I have used both Granat and Rubin on the RO90 delta. I haven't exactly tested this , but I think the Granat may have more durability on the points. I like Rubin for bare wood better than Granat most of the time. I like Granat for some things too but I am not a Granat is good / best for everything guy.

Seth

Cheese · « **Reply #27 on:** December 28, 2017, 08:59 AM »

Quote from: Naildrivingman on December 27, 2017, 11:10 PM

Bought DTS 400 yesterday...didn’t perform well...brought it back today and exchanged for RO90. SHEESH!!

If you need the acute angle feature, look for a DX 93. I have all 3 of the detail sanders and I like using the DX 93 the most. With some coarse grit paper on it, it can become quite aggressive. The DTS 400 is a nice finish sander while the RO 90 with the delta pad is kind of cumbersome to use for extended periods of time.

Scott Burt · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2018, 07:40 PM »

Hope everyone is having a great summer. I am working on an update to this guide to include sanders that have been introduced since its original publication.

In the meantime feel free to post up questions!

WickedShamrock · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2018, 11:34 AM »

A number of folks here referred to the LS130 as a stair master. I bought of for the same project. Which stock pad do you use for the tread bullnose or do you recommend the "do it yourself" pad to custom match it?

Scott Burt · « **Reply #30 on:** December 08, 2018, 10:46 PM »

Quote from: WickedShamrock on December 03, 2018, 11:34 AM

A number of folks here referred to the LS130 as a stair master. I bought of for the same project. Which stock pad do you use for the tread bullnose or do you recommend the "do it yourself" pad to custom match it?

The 18 or 25 mm concave attachments work there. Sometimes it is easier to put an interface pad or two on a RO90 for bullnose (and other shapes) though.

dataz722 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 06, 2019, 04:50 PM »

I recently got a RO150 and CT26 and am loving them. I think I have drank the koolaid on Festool (well my credit card hasn't quite yet), and now want to get a finish sander to go the the RO. Right now i'm most likely looking at the ETS EC 150/3 eq-plus, but have started to think about either the DTS or RTS 400 as they look like they could be more versatile and get into places the round sanders can't. I do all sorts of projects from remodeling (not professionally) to woodworking and all kinds from small "craft show projects" to larger cabinets and furniture.

I know in a perfect world I would just get all three of them, but I can't quite swing that. Which would be best for me to go with now?

Thanks!

Bob D. · « **Reply #32 on:** May 06, 2019, 05:30 PM »

On the DTS and RTS 400; I wish these two were combined into one sander with interchangeable pads, maybe even more than the two pad shapes like a quarter sheet pad and a square one too.

ColossusX · « **Reply #33 on:** May 06, 2019, 06:35 PM »

Quote from: Bob D. on May 06, 2019, 05:30 PM

On the DTS and RTS 400; I wish these two were combined into one sander with interchangeable pads, maybe even more than the two pad shapes like a quarter sheet pad and a square one too.

Completely agree.

kilo · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2019, 06:21 PM »

I am new to this forum and to Festool tools. I have a CT26 and a previously owned Bosch 6" sander. I would like a complimentary smaller sander for details, edges, corners etc. I am a hobbyist do cabinets, furniture pieces, old floor reviving, etc. I have been drawn to the Rotex 90 for it's versatility. Is that a good choice? I feel my final detail sanding can be done with a block.

Chris Rogers · « **Reply #35 on:** January 30, 2020, 03:13 PM »

I would also just like to add what a valuable resource this is and has been. Thank you for sharing.

VirTERM · « **Reply #36 on:** January 30, 2020, 03:32 PM »

Quote from: kilo on May 23, 2019, 06:21 PM

I am new to this forum and to Festool tools. I have a CT26 and a previously owned Bosch 6" sander. I would like a complimentary smaller sander for details, edges, corners etc. I am a hobbyist do cabinets, furniture pieces, old floor reviving, etc. I have been drawn to the Rotex 90 for it's versatility. Is that a good choice? I feel my final detail sanding can be done with a block.

DTS400 would be better if you also need finishing, but I am sure that RO90 will work almost equally well

Stan Tillinghast · « **Reply #37 on:** June 13, 2020, 11:45 PM »

I’m sort of a dilettante woodworker, but I’ll put in my two cents worth. I have a Rotex 125, and judging from the comments on FOG I should have bought a 150.
I have a DTS 400 and will probably sell it, as it always vibrates too much.
I have an RO90 and it is my most used sander; for remodel work, and drywall corners, etc.
I have the older ETS 125; it’s good for finishing; but I’m really tempted by the new brushless model, will give it a try at the local dealer. I don’t really need the cordless feature as the dust collection will always be needed.
Since I don’t need production speed, for the most part I’m fine with the 5 inch sanders, but the Rotex 150 for external siding prep sounds good.

SonOfMI · « **Reply #38 on:** June 28, 2020, 07:45 PM »

The 150 (6") sander pads fit and work perfectly on the ETS EC 125/3. Right now buying the ETS EC 125/3 and the 150 soft sander pad gives you the 150 sander while saving about $60 US dollars. I purchased the ETS EC 125/3 last week along with the 150 soft pad. To compare dust collection I compared it with my ETS 150 by sprinkling the same amount of sanding dust on a board and running the ETS then the ETS EC. Both sanders cleaned up the board while giving great sanding. I did this several times with the same results. The brake on the ETS EC 125/3 still works with the 150 pad installed on it.

The ETS EC is lighter than the ETS - even comparing my friends ETS EC 150/3. To both myself and my friend the ETS EC gives better performance. By that I mean it gave the sanded finish desired faster than the ETS. The ETS gave the same sanded finish but it took a couple more passes.

With a 150 pad attached to the ETS EC 125/3, the sander no longer fits nicely in the plastic tool tray in the Systainer. The 150 sandpaper also does not fit in the cutout provided in the tray for sandpaper. The insert tray is sized for 125. I just used some
1.5" thick Kaizen foam from FastCap. I cut a piece to size and shape by using the insert tray as a template then cut spots for the sander, sandpaper, and wrench.

The ETS EC 125/3 I bought is Festool # 576340. This is with the new Systainer 3. It's the same sander as the previous # though. The 150 soft pad I bought is Festool # 202458. I previously bought the 150 hard pad which is Festool # 202460. That pad also fits works perfectly on the ETS EC 125/3 I bought.

I didn't see this info posted in this thread and since this thread is pinned it may help others without forcing them to weed through a bunch of search results. Some of this info is posted elsewhere in FOG, but some people said the 150 pads caused the brake on the ETS EC 125 sander to not function. I saw that to not be the case. The brake works great. I also did not see anyone state what exact pads they tried.

Anyway. Hope this helps someone in the future.

Wood_Slice · « **Reply #39 on:** January 05, 2021, 03:13 PM »

For first sander I chose the ETS EC 125/3 for interior woodworking type stuff. I figure if I ever need another I will either get the RO 150 or the ETS EC 150/5.

To increase efficiency I might also get the Multi-stream 150 pad for my ETS EC 125/3 (I hear pads are compatible).

avogra · « **Reply #40 on:** June 17, 2021, 07:38 AM »

Sadly the guide says nothing about the other RTS sanders. I currently have the RTS 300 as my only sander (hobbyist) and I'm wondering if it makes sense to replace it with something else. I only work indoor and make cabinets or smaller stuff. The reason for the RTS300 was, that I found it for 50€ at a fleamarket :-P Any opinions on the RTS 300?

Random Orbital Bob · « **Reply #41 on:** July 20, 2021, 12:06 PM »

I've a question re the sanding universe as currently don't own a single Festool sander. Just an older 150mm Bosch random orbit.

I want to buy just one if possible and I have the posh hose and CT26 so DX handled. My use is weekend warrior and I use a fair bit of rough sawn for furniture projects, lots of hardwoods but on the flipside, I will usually finish to 240g.

What I do like about the Bosch is it finishes quite fine but what I don't like is the slow heavy lifting wen removing bandsaw marks from rough sawn. So I like the notion of the RO 150 for that early heavy lifting but I'm slightly nervous that it wont cope well with the finer end of the puzzle.

Am I overthinking this? Is the RO 150 good enough to do it all with the appropriate setting and the right grit?

Its just that some folk categorise it as primarily for exterior paint removal and that's clearly not in my scope. My need is all wood working from rough to fine.

Thanks in advance for help

Best
Rob

squall_line · « **Reply #42 on:** July 20, 2021, 12:42 PM »

Rob-

The RO150, like the RO125 and RO90 have both the "aggressive" rotary mode as well as a random orbital.

The RO150's orbit on random is a 5mm stroke. Not sure what the stroke size is on your Bosch, so I can't say how it would compare.

I think the prevailing wisdom is to pair a RO150 with an ETS EC 125/3 and put a 150mm/6" pad from the ETS EC 150 on the 125. Still not a cheap solution, of course.

But if your Bosch is a 5mm stroke, the RO150 would add the aggressive mode and match the sanding/polishing that you already have.

The RO150 may or may not be as comfortable to maneuver during sanding/polishing, too, so that's something to consider as well.

Alex · « **Reply #43 on:** July 20, 2021, 12:43 PM »

If your need is all wood working from rough to fine, the RO150 can be a great help to you I think. It is great with bandsaw marks, and if you use the sander in fine mode with a fine grit, 240 and up, you can create a very fine finish. Some other sanders can do the fine spectre easier than the RO150, but use the proper grit and technique, and the RO will get you there too, no problem.

Random Orbital Bob · « **Reply #44 on:** July 20, 2021, 01:14 PM »

Thanks chaps

Is it fair to say then that the ets range and obviously the finer 3 orbit over the 5, is just easier to operate than the RO which is clearly a bigger beast?

If I asked you top plump for JUST one tool would you opt for the RO150 or either of ets/c models oe the 5 or 3 and if you say yes to the ets models would it be 150 or 125?

Many thanks

Alex · « **Reply #45 on:** July 20, 2021, 01:37 PM »

Yes, the ETS sanders (any type) are all easier to operate than the RO150.

If I could only get one sander, I would do what I did originally, and get the RO150. That one was my first and only Festool sander for over a year until I added the DX93 to get into corners. Took maybe 3 years to add my next sander, the DTS400.

If I needed an ETS sander, I would always get the 125 model, be it ETS125 (which I have)

or the ETS EC 125, which I don't have.

I also had the ETS 150, but it didn't do anything for me, so I sold it off. I think the ETS 125 is great for certain finer work like on doors. Never tried the ETS EC 125 yet, but I guess it is very nice also, with the added benefit that you can fit a 150 mm pad on it too.

FestitaMakool · « **Reply #46 on:** July 20, 2021, 07:23 PM »

I can only second what Alex says here.
Being an RO 150 Bosch equivalent owner for some years now, and I hate sanding.. this is THE machine I wished I had before. My belt sander is more or less out of work because of this. And I use it comfortably for fine sanding just as much.

I’d only pick a lighter one if I’d work above shoulder level for longer periods.
I’ll exchange my Bosch for a RO 150 when back in stock (sold out for months now..) due to that I have accessories that are for RO 150 and that I can get a 120 polishing pad that accepts standard polishing accessories. Otherwise the Bosch is just as good.

The ETS EC are ergonomically way better, but they are not a Rotex. So if only one or two machines, a dual action or Rotex would be my first choice.

Random Orbital Bob · « **Reply #47 on:** July 21, 2021, 05:33 AM »

Interesting responses. I think thats nailed it then chaps and thanks for the input.

it was the "belt sander now redundant" comment that clinched it because thats exactly what I currently use to go from rough sawn and waney to ready to start the finishing process. The belt sander is a right pain in the wotsit to control and once false move and you leave major marks that take ages to remove. Thats where I'm hoping the Rotex in geared mode will replace the belt sander, add brilliant extraction and easier control. Then in random orbit mode, I can still finish. So I guess its the breadth and scale of its capacity to deal with rough to smooth, while keeping DX managed that I'm hoping is the holy grail.

Having said all this, there will be nothing to stop adding something from the finer end of the range at a later date...when I've come out of spending therapy from this first dive!!

But I'm not seeing the RO150 being out of stock in many places, it seems a heck of a lot more available than the Kapex 120 was at least. That took me months to source.

Alex · « **Reply #48 on:** July 21, 2021, 07:17 AM »

Quote from: Random Orbital Bob on July 21, 2021, 05:33 AM

Thats where I'm hoping the Rotex in geared mode will replace the belt sander, add brilliant extraction and easier control.

But I'm not seeing the RO150 being out of stock in many places, it seems a heck of a lot more available than the Kapex 120 was at least. That took me months to source.

Yes, the Rotex can replace the belt sander for removing saw and planer marks just fine. Don't expect the Rotex to do all the belt sander can do, in the end a belt sander is a lot more powerful.

I think the RO150 is still in stock because you can clearly see Festool gives priority to keep production of their best sellers alive, while toning down the rest.

LPSteinmetz · « **Reply #49 on:** August 05, 2021, 10:18 AM »

I am setting up a sanding cart (already purchased the dust extractor and boom set) and was wondering what sander most people that have this set-up use? My use will be daily and will be for mostly hardwood items--small cabinets, smaller furniture items, sign making, some whiskey barrel work, etc. Like many that have posted, I would like to initially get what will do most things well in one sander and then purchase others if/when the need arises. Is the RO150 a good choice for my situation? Thanks.

jbarr · « **Reply #50 on:** August 27, 2021, 09:54 PM »

Quote from: SonOfMI on June 28, 2020, 07:45 PM

The 150 (6") sander pads fit and work perfectly on the ETS EC 125/3.

Some of this info is posted elsewhere in FOG, but some people said the 150 pads caused the brake on the ETS EC 125 sander to not function. I saw that to not be the case. The brake works great. I also did not see anyone state what exact pads they tried.

A great post which has helped me make up my mind on the ETS EC125/3 but its a few years old now and interested to find out whether long term users haven't had any issues using the 6" pad. I think around 90% of my sanding would be adequate with the 5" but its a bonus if I have that option to go bigger

leakyroof · « **Reply #51 on:** August 28, 2021, 09:02 PM »

Quote from: LPSteinmetz on August 05, 2021, 10:18 AM

I am setting up a sanding cart (already purchased the dust extractor and boom set) and was wondering what sander most people that have this set-up use? My use will be daily and will be for mostly hardwood items--small cabinets, smaller furniture items, sign making, some whiskey barrel work, etc. Like many that have posted, I would like to initially get what will do most things well in one sander and then purchase others if/when the need arises. Is the RO150 a good choice for my situation? Thanks.

. Unless you need the extra power of Rotex mode, the ETS EC sanders will handle pretty much anything and be lighter and smaller than the large RO 150.
I’ve actually stripped old stain and varnish with my EC 125/3 sander off some interior doors even though my larger EC 150/5 was probably better suited for the task if it hadn’t been too large of a pad size to get between panels on those doors.
If possible, try both the Rotex Sanders and the EC sanders at a dealer to make up your mind.
I have both the RO150 and the versatile RO90, but so much of my sanding needs are handled by my two EC sanders that I rarely use the Rotex Sanders as this point.

svitalsa · « **Reply #52 on:** September 25, 2021, 04:41 AM »

Excellent! Super helpful information

rst · « **Reply #53 on:** September 25, 2021, 11:25 AM »

I'm with Leakyroof, I use my ETS ECs much more than my ROs, probably depends on tasks at hand more than anything.

rt002k · « **Reply #54 on:** November 19, 2021, 11:45 AM »

I've decided recently to put a lot more into my woodworking. I'm going from few and far between hobbyist to wanting to take my game up to side hustle. I'm trying to take the dive into my first Festool, however since I've been doing a lot of shop upgrades this year (jointer, table saw, planer) my budget is pretty strapped at this point, plus nothing's in stock.

For years, my sanding was limited to a Makita 1/3 sheet sander. I recently added the DeWalt XR cordless random orbital. It's OK. I like the portability of being able to grab it for something quick, but it doesn't stack up to a big job like the dining table I just finished, is very loud when connected to dust extraction, and loses power as the battery gets lower. I came across some ETS 125 REQ's and almost pulled the trigger, but am wondering if I should hold out for an ETS EC 125. Is it worth twice the price? Given what I'm coming from, will the REQ seem amazing and what I don't know won't hurt me? A dining table is the biggest thing I'll do, everything else will be smaller furniture or cabinets. I am shying away from the rotex because of the comments about it being maybe a bit unwieldy for my applications, but I frequently come across them on the used market.

squall_line · « **Reply #55 on:** November 19, 2021, 12:18 PM »

Quote from: rt002k on November 19, 2021, 11:45 AM

I've decided recently to put a lot more into my woodworking. I'm going from few and far between hobbyist to wanting to take my game up to side hustle. I'm trying to take the dive into my first Festool, however since I've been doing a lot of shop upgrades this year (jointer, table saw, planer) my budget is pretty strapped at this point, plus nothing's in stock.

For years, my sanding was limited to a Makita 1/3 sheet sander. I recently added the DeWalt XR cordless sander. It's OK. I like the portability of being able to grab it for something quick, but it doesn't stack up to a big job like the dining table I just finished and is very loud when connected to dust extraction. I came across some ETS 125 REQ's and almost pulled the trigger, but am wondering if I should hold out for an ETS EC 125. Is it worth twice the price? Given what I'm coming from, will the REQ seem amazing and what I don't know won't hurt me? A dining table is the biggest thing I'll do, everything else will be smaller furniture or cabinets. I am shying away from the rotex because of the comments about it being maybe a bit unwieldy for my applications, but I frequently come across them on the used market.

For projects like a dining table, a 6" sander seems like a better option, but like all things, your mileage may vary. I've seen dining tables in the 2 1/2' x 5' range, all the way up to 3 1/2' x 9'+. On a smaller table, a 5" sander would probably suffice but if you're talking large slab-like tables, the 6" would be so much better.

The ETS 125 is a perfectly fine sander, and at a low entry point.

Which means that I, like many, would probably recommend an ETS EC 125, and then buy a 150 pad (6") to use with 6" paper. Then you have two sanders with two sizes and not too much extra storage hassle.

Honestly, the cost of getting paper for both sizes will eventually be what does you in.

rt002k · « **Reply #56 on:** November 19, 2021, 12:23 PM »

Quote from: squall_line on November 19, 2021, 12:18 PM

Quote from: rt002k on November 19, 2021, 11:45 AM
I've decided recently to put a lot more into my woodworking. I'm going from few and far between hobbyist to wanting to take my game up to side hustle. I'm trying to take the dive into my first Festool, however since I've been doing a lot of shop upgrades this year (jointer, table saw, planer) my budget is pretty strapped at this point, plus nothing's in stock.

For years, my sanding was limited to a Makita 1/3 sheet sander. I recently added the DeWalt XR cordless sander. It's OK. I like the portability of being able to grab it for something quick, but it doesn't stack up to a big job like the dining table I just finished and is very loud when connected to dust extraction. I came across some ETS 125 REQ's and almost pulled the trigger, but am wondering if I should hold out for an ETS EC 125. Is it worth twice the price? Given what I'm coming from, will the REQ seem amazing and what I don't know won't hurt me? A dining table is the biggest thing I'll do, everything else will be smaller furniture or cabinets. I am shying away from the rotex because of the comments about it being maybe a bit unwieldy for my applications, but I frequently come across them on the used market.

For projects like a dining table, a 6" sander seems like a better option, but like all things, your mileage may vary. I've seen dining tables in the 2 1/2' x 5' range, all the way up to 3 1/2' x 9'+. On a smaller table, a 5" sander would probably suffice but if you're talking large slab-like tables, the 6" would be so much better.

The ETS 125 is a perfectly fine sander, and at a low entry point.

Which means that I, like many, would probably recommend an ETS EC 125, and then buy a 150 pad (6") to use with 6" paper. Then you have two sanders with two sizes and not too much extra storage hassle.

Honestly, the cost of getting paper for both sizes will eventually be what does you in.

Thank you. This was a 3 1/2' x 6 1/2' live edge slab, it did take quite a while with the 5". I'll have to decide if the cost of adding the 6" backer + separate supply of paper will be worth the time that I would actually need the 6". Sounds like I should "buy once cry once" and go for the EC instead of doing what I just did and get a stepping stone solution.