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Offline shed9

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2021, 09:25 AM »
Quick update to the thread and in relation to the original query that started it all; I have just pushed the button and ordered a CS70.

I went with a 240v version as it was only £200 more and I won't need to lug the TX around if I went the 110V route. I haven't gone for the SET version as I don't have use for for the slider at present and will buy it on the future if need be. Admittedly, I'll probably go for the extensions table/s at some point but I'm going to work with the basic saw and see what I want to add on. It already felt wrong spending north of £1.6k ($2.2k) on a portable saw, spending around £2.5k ($3.2k) just felt even more wrong at this stage.

Thank you to everyone on here who took the time to respond, share experience, post pictures and answer mine and others queries, it is appreciated and I do listen.

Have to wait now for the DHL-Santa....

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2021, 10:10 AM »
Hi @shed9

Well done. I really hope that you tell us about the machine and your experiences with it - it will be a great help to me and others who hope to get one at some point.

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2021, 10:49 AM »
Hi @shed9

Well done. I really hope that you tell us about the machine and your experiences with it - it will be a great help to me and others who hope to get one at some point.

Peter
Happy to field any questions Peter and I will certainly be feeding back my experience with it.

Offline shed9

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2021, 05:24 AM »
Slightly related question to the original thread - what size table is the TKS80? Festool's own UK site states 690x500 but nearly all of the dealers here state 850x720.

With that much difference of real estate in actual saw top at the same weight, it's enough to consider in view of the CS saw and influenced my initial decision. I never thought to question Festool's own specs to check them against the dealer when weighing up the two options but checking now, my dealer lists different specs. Where's the recourse in that situation?

Can anyone confirm the actual table dimensions of the TKS80. This seems incredibly unprofessional to have several misleading numbers out there for a pro saw.

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/sawing/table-saw/575784---tks-80-ebs-gb-240-v#TechnicalData

EDIT: I have just emailed Festool UK for a response to confirm the size of the TKS-80 comparative to the CS-70, if the dealers are correct then that's potentially a 77% increase in table top size at the same weight. Have to admit, I'm inclined to believe the specs on Festool's site but it needs checking.
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2021, 06:27 AM »
The manual states 690 x 580 mm as the table size; I'd be inclined to believe this given I can see the rule to the right of the blade ends at 24 cm. I can't explain how all the dealers have the wrong information though; I would guess that dimension is perhaps the overall size rather than specifically the table?

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2021, 06:41 AM »
The manual states 690 x 580 mm as the table size; I'd be inclined to believe this given I can see the rule to the right of the blade ends at 24 cm. I can't explain how all the dealers have the wrong information though; I would guess that dimension is perhaps the overall size rather than specifically the table?
Thanks for this, I tend to think you're right. I actually found two sets of different sizes from different dealers, both of which are different to Festool's stated specs. You'd think everyone would get this right for professional equipment at that end of the spectrum. The Festool info seems to be consistent.

EDIT: Festool just got back to me (just 38 minutes from my original email to a reply!!!). Very much instilled the confidence I had when I pushed the button on the CS and sorry for doubting you Festool, I shall go stand in the corner now.
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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2021, 07:26 AM »
Festool website is usually correct. Dealers mess up VERY often.

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #67 on: January 26, 2021, 07:35 AM »
Festool website is usually correct. Dealers mess up VERY often.
Yeah it was just the fact that every dealer I looked at had table size dimensions over that of Festool's own figures. Can't say I've come across too many mismatches with details from dealers and Festool in the past, nothing as major as actual machine size anyhow.

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2021, 07:15 AM »

Interesting thread, I believe we are in a unique position as a dealer in the UK currently as we can demo virtually every Festool Tool and can provide live working demos via- Whatsapp/zoom etc. if there's anything you want a demo of or to simply look at in close detail in these unusual times please DM me.

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2021, 08:54 AM »
The CS 70 has landed....

That is all.......


Thanks again everyone, and thanks to Festool for their as-always superb customer care.

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2021, 06:38 PM »
Congrats on your purchase!
Looking forward to see your experience with it.
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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2021, 01:34 PM »
Okay, my first dumb question. Trying to change the blade on the Precisio 70 and this thing won't budge. The carriage is in the mid position, blade is fully extended out at 45' and the blade side cover is off. I press the spindle lock, lock the blade and try to rotate the hex clockwise but this is not moving at all. Am I missing something here. am I missing a step? Don't want to force it anymore than needed but this is not moving. Watched the Festool video and read the instructions so head scratching at the moment and wanted to check if this is not uncommon and there is possibly a knack?

I suspect this unit has been sat on a shelf with the blade fitted for some time and it's unlikely to have been removed since fitted by Festool.
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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2021, 02:01 PM »
It is the same with mine, I never use the hex key, you just can not exert enough force with it. I use a big wrench. And always remember, the bolt has a reverse thread.



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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2021, 02:31 PM »
It is the same with mine, I never use the hex key, you just can not exert enough force with it. I use a big wrench. And always remember, the bolt has a reverse thread.

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Thanks for that, I guessed it was just a stuck bolt but it made sense to check.

I remembered the reverse bolt left hand thread thing but reminders are always welcome.

Offline greg mann

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« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2021, 05:33 PM »
It is the same with mine, I never use the hex key, you just can not exert enough force with it. I use a big wrench. And always remember, the bolt has a reverse thread.

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My experience is the same. Don’t know why it takes so much torque but it does.
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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #75 on: January 31, 2021, 06:00 PM »
Be carefull when using a big wrench on the arbornut, I also did this many times, but one time (I think 2 years ago now), instead of the arbornut coming loose, the magnesium housing that houses the pin for the spindle lock cracked. Having that repaired by festool costed me about 500€ if I recall correctly. (Would it be safer to use a hexbit in an impact driver (after tripple checking the rotation direction?)

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« Reply #76 on: February 02, 2021, 12:30 PM »
Ups! That scares me a lot. I have thought it could happen every time I have to change the blade, but having a confirmation hurts! Maybe anti seizing fluid will help. On the other hand we may be changing the risk of breaking the saw by the risk of a blade flying out of the machine...

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« Reply #77 on: February 02, 2021, 12:52 PM »
Same^
Interested to hear what others have done. My CS 50 had the arbor nut really tight. (And it should be able to be loosened by hand.. yeah, well no.) Haven’t tried again, but I was thinking of smearing a thin layer of oil to the flange which catches the blade. To do this is a bit scary, as I don’t want anything loosen other than by me. How about adding a thin layer of oil, let it sit for a while, and then clean all residue off with a cotton rag. Sort of impregnate it a bit.
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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2021, 01:01 PM »
No need to worry, Frank-Jan just doesn't know his own strength.

I don't change blades often, but I've been doing it like this for the last 8 or 9 years because there just was no other way.

Just be gentle, apply the force, but don't go all Hulk on it.


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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2021, 08:18 AM »
My CS70 is 15 years old now and I always use the onboard hex to loosen and fasten the arbornut.  I change my saws often, back and forth between the correct tooth-geometry.  And I have never had any problems.

Don't over tighten!  The reverse tread is there to tighten the nut when the machine is started.  Well not really tighten it, but you get the point.
Spin the nut and when you can't spin it free any further I think another 50-60° is all that's needed.  I never had it come undone.

That being said it's almost time to change the arbornut, the inner hex is starting to get worn.

The flange of mine is coated with some kind of rubber on the blade side, so I would stay away with any oil.


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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2021, 11:46 AM »
It is the same with mine, I never use the hex key, you just can not exert enough force with it. I use a big wrench. And always remember, the bolt has a reverse thread.

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Ooh, then the CS 70 is quite different from the CS 50, where there is only that ring you tighten by hand... and then becomes loose on it's own  [tongue]



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« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2021, 01:24 PM »
Ooh, then the CS 70 is quite different from the CS 50, where there is only that ring you tighten by hand... and then becomes loose on it's own  [tongue]

It does that?

My 70 never has that problem, if anything, the spinning makes it tighten up more. I always tighten the nut gently, no overtightening. And when I come back a month later to change the blade, the nut is very tight.

Maybe Hans Mertens' 70 doesn't do it because he changes blades often.

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2021, 01:42 PM »
Ooh, then the CS 70 is quite different from the CS 50, where there is only that ring you tighten by hand... and then becomes loose on it's own  [tongue]

It does that?

My 70 never has that problem, if anything, the spinning makes it tighten up more. I always tighten the nut gently, no overtightening. And when I come back a month later to change the blade, the nut is very tight.

Maybe Hans Mertens' 70 doesn't do it because he changes blades often.

I have had whobbly blade more than once. Maybe the quickstop loosens it?

But CS 50 and CS 70 seem to have it different.

I never had a loose blade in my TS 55 either for example.

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #83 on: February 04, 2021, 02:56 AM »
I feel a little relieved here that it isn't just me.

Given the saw comes with a hex key and most people seem to find this insufficient including myself on a brand new saw, does Festool have an official response on how to remove the blade in this common situation with the CS saw, especially with the information that possible damage can occur? I'm apprehensive to apply significant pressure to a machine in which its very name is one letter short of the word precision.


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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #84 on: February 04, 2021, 04:39 AM »
If you people have a good way of mounting a blade without using a threaded connector, I am sure the Festool engineers would like to hear it.

But as it is, making a threaded connector like a bolt spin very fast, at 4000 RPM, will have an effect on it. Depending on the direction of the rotation, it will loosen or get tighter, there is no way around it.   

It is a bolt, as you can see, six sided. Any wrench can grab it, as intended.


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« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2021, 07:24 AM »
If you people have a good way of mounting a blade without using a threaded connector, I am sure the Festool engineers would like to hear it.

But as it is, making a threaded connector like a bolt spin very fast, at 4000 RPM, will have an effect on it. Depending on the direction of the rotation, it will loosen or get tighter, there is no way around it.   

It is a bolt, as you can see, six sided. Any wrench can grab it, as intended.

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Not sure anyone is suggesting a different way of mounting a saw blade - just concerns for the forces required on a machine which has the motor, lift and angle-setting mechanics uniquely mounted on sliding rails with the whole assembly built to a set tolerance beyond that of lower spec machines. It's reasonable to question those forces in the context of the machines purpose and price point.

I own several mains tools with circular saw blades of differing sizes, some brand new and some vintage - this is the first saw blade I just can't budge and I'm fairly convinced that if I leverage any more pressure on that bolt it's either going to break something or bend out of alignment. Personally I'm not asking for a redesign just official advice from the manufacturer on how they would advise proceeding? Impact driver and hex adapter, longer wrench, PlusGas?

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2021, 04:36 PM »
I went for the CS 50 full equip

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #87 on: February 10, 2021, 05:02 PM »
I went for the CS 50 full equip

Congrats with the CS 50 set! Have you received it yet?
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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #88 on: February 10, 2021, 05:04 PM »
Nope. Ordered yesterday.
I can´t wait to put my hands on it...

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Re: Festool Precisio saws
« Reply #89 on: February 10, 2021, 05:08 PM »
But as it is, making a threaded connector like a bolt spin very fast, at 4000 RPM, will have an effect on it. Depending on the direction of the rotation, it will loosen or get tighter, there is no way around it.   
I've had multiple saws (hand and stationary) and never had arbor nut/bolt to loosen or tighten from use. This never happens because arbor flange that goes between blade and bolt always has flat spots that match flat spots on the arbor shaft. Hence, the flange can not rotate relative to the arbor, even if blade slips. On its own the momentum of the bolt is too small to rotate it when starting/breaking. Perhaps CS50/70 design is different.
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