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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #270 on: June 26, 2016, 06:50 PM »
@clark_fork as have some others, correctly states that the real issue is market penetration and price.

Price is an international issue that Festool just does not get. In Australia where fixed pricing/retail price maintenance is generally illegal, Festool is the ONLY company, yes only company (not just tool company)  to have been granted permission to fix its prices. This caused much angst down here as readers of the 'One for the Aussies' may recall. And we do not enjoy the same level and amount of after sales services and features enjoyed in NA, the UK and Europe.

However, if you in NA wish Festool USA to continue offering its current level of after sales service and generally higher manufacturing standards how much can the price be reduced before there needs to be a reduced after sales service? How far does the price have to fall before German/European manufacture is considerably replaced by more from Asia or South America?

Apart from not proceeding with this decision, Festool should tighten its margins a little. Perhaps an advertising campaign around no price increases next year. And does Festool US have reps actually visiting work sites like some other companies and dealers do. A big truck outside a dealership is well and good, but reps need to get in amongst the wood dust and chips and show how it does not have to be there on site. Park that truck on some new housing estates, or within industrial estates with high concentrations of joinery and kitchen shops.

Advertise and promote Metric tools as a feature, not a problem.

« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 07:09 PM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline Steve-Rice

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #271 on: June 26, 2016, 07:16 PM »
If I remember correctly, I bought by TS55 REQ about 2 1/2 years ago.  It came with an Imperial sticker which was easily applied over the the metric depth of cut scale.  So effectively, I had the choice of metric or imperial way back then.  Moving to Imperial for the track saws seems like a non-event to me as that option was always there.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #272 on: June 27, 2016, 09:04 AM »
Hi, just joined the forum.

I have been deciding what tools to buy as looking to get into woodworking. And a couple friends/coworkers highly recommend Festool.
I have done a fair amount of research and watched a lot of reviews. When I first thought about the tools I was worried about everything being metric. Then i worked on building a fence for the yard and realized how metric was just simpler to work with.

So I was working on a list of metric measuring tools and of course a bunch of the Festool equipment. (was looking at a CT 36, TS 55, parallel guides, 1400 Router, domino 500 to start. Then a couple tables, sanders and the list never ends.)

So I am on the verge of making a rather substantial purchase. Especially with the Canada dollar.
Then I read about the tools changing to imperial measurement. I can see why and can appreciate the change.

But I wish they would still give us the option to order tools and accessories in both metric and imperial.

For everyone who has metric tools and has adjusted to the metric measurement kinda ends in a poor situation that any new tools or accessories they purchase will not be in the same measurement and will cause difficulties.

I am now on the fence weather I should wait till the imperial tools roll out or buy what I think I'll need now and hope there is a future metric option. I would have been very disappointed if I had purchased a bunch of metric tools and then go to add more tools and the measurement system was changed.

Just adding my opinion and thoughts in hope of retaining metric tools in Canada at least.

Thanks
Daryl

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #273 on: June 27, 2016, 11:00 AM »
Hi, just joined the forum.

I have been deciding what tools to buy as looking to get into woodworking. And a couple friends/coworkers highly recommend Festool.
I have done a fair amount of research and watched a lot of reviews. When I first thought about the tools I was worried about everything being metric. Then i worked on building a fence for the yard and realized how metric was just simpler to work with.

So I was working on a list of metric measuring tools and of course a bunch of the Festool equipment. (was looking at a CT 36, TS 55, parallel guides, 1400 Router, domino 500 to start. Then a couple tables, sanders and the list never ends.)

So I am on the verge of making a rather substantial purchase. Especially with the Canada dollar.
Then I read about the tools changing to imperial measurement. I can see why and can appreciate the change.

But I wish they would still give us the option to order tools and accessories in both metric and imperial.

For everyone who has metric tools and has adjusted to the metric measurement kinda ends in a poor situation that any new tools or accessories they purchase will not be in the same measurement and will cause difficulties.

I am now on the fence weather I should wait till the imperial tools roll out or buy what I think I'll need now and hope there is a future metric option. I would have been very disappointed if I had purchased a bunch of metric tools and then go to add more tools and the measurement system was changed.

Just adding my opinion and thoughts in hope of retaining metric tools in Canada at least.

Thanks
Daryl

I am fairly certain that if Festool does not provide stickers, they would be available from either your favourite retailer, the ekat either in NA, Europe or from a third party accessory provider. I am fairly certain the packaging in Canada will have to be in metric so including a metric sticker shouldn't be that much more of a problem. My understanding is our tools are distributed from Festool US so we will be shipped tools from the US that as of this announcement will be marked in imperial units.
I believe the answer for the end users and for retailers managing currency fluctuations etc. is for Festool Group GmbH & Co. KG to export tools directly from Germany to Canada. This is unlikely to happen as our market is not large enough.
I wonder if this would affect CSA approval, but most tools available here are available in imperial only or metric etc. it's probably not an issue.
At the end of the day for me this decision signals the movement of Festool from an engineering (innovation) driven company to a marketing driven company. Unfortunate, but inevitable. Marketing via research and finance depts (ROI) is now dictating what features products should have. As they grow, this is the curve of most manufacturing companies, and is well documented in several well written business books.
I imagine it will be some time before Festool is managed as a cash cow (finance) and eventual decline in quality but the affects of creative destruction are compressing that time line annually.

Tim

Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #274 on: June 27, 2016, 11:34 AM »
Hi, just joined the forum.

I have been deciding what tools to buy as looking to get into woodworking. And a couple friends/coworkers highly recommend Festool.
I have done a fair amount of research and watched a lot of reviews. When I first thought about the tools I was worried about everything being metric. Then i worked on building a fence for the yard and realized how metric was just simpler to work with.

So I was working on a list of metric measuring tools and of course a bunch of the Festool equipment. (was looking at a CT 36, TS 55, parallel guides, 1400 Router, domino 500 to start. Then a couple tables, sanders and the list never ends.)

So I am on the verge of making a rather substantial purchase. Especially with the Canada dollar.
Then I read about the tools changing to imperial measurement. I can see why and can appreciate the change.

But I wish they would still give us the option to order tools and accessories in both metric and imperial.

For everyone who has metric tools and has adjusted to the metric measurement kinda ends in a poor situation that any new tools or accessories they purchase will not be in the same measurement and will cause difficulties.

I am now on the fence weather I should wait till the imperial tools roll out or buy what I think I'll need now and hope there is a future metric option. I would have been very disappointed if I had purchased a bunch of metric tools and then go to add more tools and the measurement system was changed.

Just adding my opinion and thoughts in hope of retaining metric tools in Canada at least.

Thanks
Daryl

Out of those tools, only the saw, the router, and the parallel guides matter as far as the backwards imperial only march.  I would buy the saw and router now.  I would look to one of the aftermarketer's for parallel guides now or at your leasure.  Some of the aftermarketers use Incra products in their guides which are availble in imperial and metric.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #275 on: June 27, 2016, 11:41 AM »
The ultimate fix ........ no scale at all, and no detents. It's a zen thing  [not worthy]  [smile]

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #276 on: June 27, 2016, 12:27 PM »
Rarely use the scales anyway. When setting router depth, set it to some actual gauge or thickness. Only reason I use the saw gauge is to make sure I don't cut through my MFT. I've adjusted to the Domino metrics, but just know where to set it for certain jobs. So, the gauges aren't really crucial. Don't even know why they would change or why anyone get upset over the possibility of changing them.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #277 on: June 27, 2016, 05:49 PM »
The ultimate fix ........ no scale at all, and no detents. It's a zen thing  [not worthy]  [smile]

Seth

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Offline Throwback7r

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #278 on: June 27, 2016, 07:13 PM »
I guess no one will answer questions about this any more.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #279 on: June 27, 2016, 08:23 PM »
I guess no one will answer questions about this any more.

Tyler is out of town. Read his reply #211 on page 8.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #280 on: June 29, 2016, 02:04 PM »
Well time to throw my 2 cents worth in. This is the dumbest thing yet from Festool. It's all about someone's job justification. The need to come up with so new and great idea that will sell more tools. I bought in to this system a little over a year ago because of watching Eric's video on you tube. I have spent major cash on this system including the woodpecker metric tools to convert over and now you say no more. tell you what  Festool you are not the only show in town. I want metric and if I can't get it with out jumping through your hoops my cash is leaving.  I was wanting to give mafell a try this might be a reason to jump ship. Sorry if I hurt someone's feelings but man open your eyes.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #281 on: June 30, 2016, 10:15 AM »
I guess no one will answer questions about this any more.

Just send a message to Festool via the website.
They will get back to you there.
The answers may not be the ones you want to hear but such is life.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #282 on: July 01, 2016, 08:27 PM »
The ultimate fix ........ no scale at all, and no detents. It's a zen thing  [not worthy]  [smile]

Seth

OH.... like Olivia Newton John so artfully sang "feel your way" [big grin]

If this measurement adjustment is in fact implemented after all of these concerns posted, what chance do you guess a fix is already under way on the Kapex issue?

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #283 on: July 01, 2016, 09:01 PM »
While I agree that festool should offer both scales. I'm certain they will see an increase in sales by offering imperial.


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« Reply #284 on: July 01, 2016, 09:25 PM »
While I agree that festool should offer both scales. I'm certain they will see an increase in sales by offering imperial.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #285 on: July 02, 2016, 12:17 AM »
While I agree that festool should offer both scales. I'm certain they will see an increase in sales by offering imperial.

An increase due to people rushing to get Metric versions while they are still available.....

Actually, I agree with your theory, which is easily validated by seeing how well the imperial version of the ZOBO bit sets sold, which are difficult to find now, as compared to the readily available metric set.

The fact dealers were offered additional discounts for placing larger orders for the existing metric product, in order to clear the warehouse inventory prior to the Imperial transition, certainly increased sales at the wholesale level.

I would have rather seen them offer existing customers who started their Festool collection in metric, a coupon to purchase metric tools they still needed, rather than providing additional discounts to dealers willing to increase their orders, but not passing on the savings to the customers themselves.

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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #286 on: July 02, 2016, 01:37 AM »
I'm Canadian living in Scandinavia, when I grew up the Metric system was being implemented. I Talk to my bro about projects and use metric dimensions, and he wants me to covert it to Imperial, so I guess it's still pretty prevalent also in Canada. I like Imperial too in a way it seems easier to visualise dimensions in a system based on human dimensions . The numbers group together in bunches 3/16, 3/8, 3/4. The Main sport Football, uses yards, the 50 yard dash,,

Being in Scandinavia I have the metric system, but it's fun to work with my old Imperial tape..

I'm sure this is not a bad business idea. Limiting to one or the other reduces the inventory needed, and confusion when ordering. The US market uses imperial and is 10 times greater than the Canadian, so I guess that decides it too..
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #287 on: July 02, 2016, 04:19 AM »
I'm Canadian living in Scandinavia, when I grew up the Metric system was being implemented. I Talk to my bro about projects and use metric dimensions, and he wants me to covert it to Imperial, so I guess it's still pretty prevalent also in Canada. I like Imperial too in a way it seems easier to visualise dimensions in a system based on human dimensions . The numbers group together in bunches 3/16, 3/8, 3/4. The Main sport Football, uses yards, the 50 yard dash,,

Being in Scandinavia I have the metric system, but it's fun to work with my old Imperial tape..

I'm sure this is not a bad business idea. Limiting to one or the other reduces the inventory needed, and confusion when ordering. The US market uses imperial and is 10 times greater than the Canadian, so I guess that decides it too..

Thank you for ordering a Festool track saw sir. Would you like that with imperial or metric scales?

Really confusing ... I'd have to engage a solicitor to help me work out such an amazingly complex issue [blink] [big grin]

Festool NA have made a massive blunder and need to fix it before they become a laughing stock. Competitors will get a lot of milage out of this! ... it's probably already being written into their anti Festool marketing material.

Festool in the UK deal with the same tools in 240V and 110V and these are REAL differences, not just a label. The UK seem to cope and it's a much smaller market than the US and it deals with many, many, many more tools in the range. But wait, there's more ... the service department has to deal with these variations too [eek] [eek] [eek]

I can't wait to see the wave of complaints from people new to Festool, complaining that the detents and adjustments on the saws and routers don't work properly [sad] ... and that all of the accessories and the other tools are "incompatible" [embarassed]





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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #288 on: July 02, 2016, 04:35 AM »
I'm Canadian living in Scandinavia, when I grew up the Metric system was being implemented. I Talk to my bro about projects and use metric dimensions, and he wants me to covert it to Imperial, so I guess it's still pretty prevalent also in Canada. I like Imperial too in a way it seems easier to visualise dimensions in a system based on human dimensions . The numbers group together in bunches 3/16, 3/8, 3/4. The Main sport Football, uses yards, the 50 yard dash,,

Being in Scandinavia I have the metric system, but it's fun to work with my old Imperial tape..

I'm sure this is not a bad business idea. Limiting to one or the other reduces the inventory needed, and confusion when ordering. The US market uses imperial and is 10 times greater than the Canadian, so I guess that decides it too..

Thank you for ordering a Festool track saw sir. Would you like that with imperial or metric scales?

Really confusing ... I'd have to engage a solicitor to help me work out such an amazingly complex issue [blink] [big grin]

Festool NA have made a massive blunder and need to fix it before they become a laughing stock. Competitors will get a lot of milage out of this! ... it's probably already being written into their anti Festool marketing material.

Festool in the UK deal with the same tools in 240V and 110V and these are REAL differences, not just a label. The UK seem to cope and it's a much smaller market than the US and it deals with many, many, many more tools in the range. But wait, there's more ... the service department has to deal with these variations too [eek] [eek] [eek]

I can't wait to see the wave of complaints from people new to Festool, complaining that the detents and adjustments on the saws and routers don't work properly [sad] ... and that all of the accessories and the other tools are "incompatible" [embarassed]
You would be surprised how dumb the world is getting..
I thought the UK 24i0V and 110V system seems really just plain weird but again it's how things are has some logic to it so yes it exists..I note it and get on with my life..
The complaints about the detents? They are mostly fore angles, not for length in millimeters though it's on the Dominos, so yes for that machine it is a problem.The track saw has the indicator for with and without track saw use, this will surely be adjusted for..

Now they have decided on this switch to imperial in North America, I for one thought to offer an olive branch in what seems to have developed into a storm of complaints and company bashing, which always puts me in a bit of an agro state of mind..So I can come with a counter view almost a gut response..Expect it!
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #289 on: July 02, 2016, 04:52 AM »
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I note it and get on with my life..
The complaints about the detents? They are mostly fore angles, not for length in millimeters though it's on the Dominos..
...

Ia vote for a switch from degrees to radians. Pi/4 [smile]

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #290 on: July 02, 2016, 04:59 AM »
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I note it and get on with my life..
The complaints about the detents? They are mostly fore angles, not for length in millimeters though it's on the Dominos..
...

Ia vote for a switch from degrees to radians. Pi/4 [smile]

Get out the slide rules
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #291 on: July 02, 2016, 09:05 AM »

The complaints about the detents? They are mostly fore angles, not for length in millimeters though it's on the Dominos, so yes for that machine it is a problem.The track saw has the indicator for with and without track saw use, this will surely be adjusted for..

Now they have decided on this switch to imperial in North America, I for one thought to offer an olive branch in what seems to have developed into a storm of complaints and company bashing, which always puts me in a bit of an agro state of mind..So I can come with a counter view almost a gut response..Expect it!

As a reasonable fellow that is what you would expect but it is not what Festool is doing. They are simply replacing millimeters scales with 1/16" scales. The track saws have depth adjustment racks of 1 mm spaced teeth. Those same teeth will remain but will be misrepresented by 1/16" markings.

That is the worst example. Next is the router. The metric threaded fine depth adjustment screw will remain, but the overall depth scale will be changed from millimeters to 1/16" marks.

This bastardization of well engineered tools in order to cater to narrow minded carpenters is not what we expect from Festool. But, I guess they did their homework...

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #292 on: July 02, 2016, 09:29 AM »
Exactly! The issue is not the move to imperial (which I am neutral on, even though it does seem a bit backwards), it's the disjointed implementation. Only SOME of the tools will switch and the ones that do will be scale tapes only, nothing mechanical will change. The detents/racks on the track saws and the fine adjustments on the routers will still be in mm. An $800 saw where the pre-sets don't correlate to the scale beneath it...One of the things that really sold me on the saw and router were the fine adjustments (and the correlation of these to actual measurements)

Couldn't agree more Michael, in bringing themselves down to the lowest common denominator Festool has really taken a step backwards into a configuration nightmare. It doesn't make any sense that a company that prides themselves on being a "systems" approach to woodworking tools would bless off on half of the system using a different measurement system while simultaneously breaking the other half with scales that don't match their corresponding mechanical adjustments.

This kind of thing seems completely out of line for a German company in my opinion. I can't help but think some U.S. marketing guy got his way on this one to increase next FY's sales numbers. Who cares about the fact that you have alienated some of your most dedicated customers that switched measurement systems entirely just to better use your tools and created chaos is a fairly harmonious tool system, if sales are up...that is all that matters.

Offline Paul G

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #293 on: July 02, 2016, 09:44 AM »
Most of the angst over this move would be mitigated with dual scales or continuing to also offer the metric counterparts.
+1

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #294 on: July 02, 2016, 09:49 AM »
Well I just checked the cars's speedo and it has two scales. SI (metric) and Imperial.
They had stickers to convert the metric TS55 to Imperial, and I suspect that stickers can comvert them back to Metric.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #295 on: July 02, 2016, 10:13 AM »
Most of the angst over this move would be mitigated with dual scales or continuing to also offer the metric counterparts.

I certainly agree with both your points.  Regarding the "metric counterparts", they are still available for now at least, and I'm certain that they will continue to be for a little while anyway (from those dealers that accepted the additional discount to increase their order quantity for the remaining metric versions). 

Not wanting to risk missing the Metric Parallel Guide set, whose scale is utilized to measure length, I have already purchased that.  I am now getting ready to purchase a track saw and router, once I make a final decision on which model will serve me best.

So, in the short term, the solution to this problem is to get them while you can.  Of course, the financial aspect of accelerating Festool purchases, would never come at a good time.  I certainly have made adjustments to purchase what I need, while it is available.   

One way to mitigate the immediate expense is to postpone purchasing any accessories you would have otherwise purchased at the same time.
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Offline Stoli

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #296 on: July 02, 2016, 10:16 AM »

Ia vote for a switch from degrees to radians. Pi/4 [smile]

Now you've really done it -- we should be arguing how tau is better than pi
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #297 on: July 02, 2016, 10:21 AM »
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Ia vote for a switch from degrees to radians. Pi/4 [smile]

What about calibrating in Shaku and Sun for those of us with a passion for Japanese joinery?


Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #298 on: July 02, 2016, 10:39 AM »
They'd be better off removing the scales and sticking a ruler in with the tools !

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #299 on: July 02, 2016, 10:53 AM »
I have to admit, I've mostly used my version of a story tick, bodyparts, a pencil a stick..scribing in banging it a kick, swearing things in to place...Now I've got new  glasses I'm afraid to check anything I've built..
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