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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #120 on: June 22, 2016, 09:25 PM »
@TylerC

Get some sleep.  [smile]

There sure is a lot of ire coming from people who won't be effected about a sticker on a track saw and a knob on a router.

I'll bet you can get yourself a sticker and knob from England for pretty cheap, warranty intact.

You might get the knob, but from my FOG experience UK tools like in Australia already have a metric guide.

I doubt @TylerC made the decision and was probably hoping for a positive response.

Of course this decision was made higher up @Kev  and signed off by German HQ. I put in my comment because @TylerC said around 10 posts ago he was going to sleep, and obviously he is awake again. In the end his sleepless night will not make this thread any better.

I'm also curious when Australia and the U.K. are going to start driving on the right so we can stop producing cars in right hand drive?


@Mort
Why change the subject. As a FOG member I am entitled to express my thoughts in this subject and, as I said in a previous post, I am just as surprised by the NA reaction here as I am of the decision.

As to driving on the right or left. I have driven in Europe, Canada and the US. My last trip to Europe covered 20,000 Kms. I actually prefer driving on the right hand side of the road and want it adopted here.
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Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #121 on: June 22, 2016, 09:26 PM »
There sure is a lot of ire coming from people who won't be effected about a sticker on a track saw and a knob on a router.

I'll bet you can get yourself a sticker and knob from England for pretty cheap, warranty intact.

A crash and burn trying to expand in NA will have a dramatic impact on a company's international business. To you it's a sticker and a knob .. to me it's a fundamental floor in understanding the market and how customers will react.

When Australia went metric you could get stickers for you speedo for a wide range of cars .. fortunately that evolved.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #122 on: June 22, 2016, 09:27 PM »
I'm also curious when Australia and the U.K. are going to start driving on the right so we can stop producing cars in right hand drive?

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Offline Don T

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #123 on: June 22, 2016, 09:44 PM »
@TylerC Will there be ways to retrofit with imperial measurements those tools that are switching over from metric, like what is available, for example, on the track saw?

Yes (assuming that I understand your question correctly). We will have options for you to retrofit your metric tools to imperial. Details on that will be coming in the near future.
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Offline jumpinthefire

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #124 on: June 22, 2016, 09:46 PM »
When you order your cabinet hardware you will be working in metric, no way around that and I think a lot of the Festool lineup is directed towards cabinet construction. Trying to build cabinets in standard with metric based hardware is a PIA!

 I agree. Im ordering a tracksaw for future furniture & cabinet making. But I also want to use it for plywood underlayment & other rough stuff, like cutting doors and building a nice deck and maybe a set of stairs. I do have a worm drive saw, but i like the track system to keep everything straight when working alone. Plus, it makes the cost of the saw easier to swallow, And im impressed by the dust collection on my new festool sander. I plan to use the TS55  in very different work situations, with different goals. I think for most festool users, high end precision work is the norm & im surprised festool is changing part of their ecosystem to please framers, carpenters, and maybe hobbyist with deep pockets and no clue, instead of focusing on the core of their customer base,dedicated wood workers.

 But I do think the metric system is a PITA for general construction. 

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #125 on: June 22, 2016, 09:50 PM »
As an existing customer, I'm trying to understand what this means for all the related accessories for the NA market.  They will eventually go imperial with the tools?  Related tools like a CMS?  Other tools and consumables will follow? (Domino). I wouldn't give this a second thought, but because they will no longer be making metric available, I'm concerned about this vision.  Having to switch back and forth across tools and accessories is a non-starter. 
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Offline GhostFist

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #126 on: June 22, 2016, 09:54 PM »
Hmm I'd be interested in the imperial scales for my 2200 and 1010 when available. Already have a 1/2 collet for the 2200 and a 1/4" for the 1010 (prefer 8mm shank bits for the 1010 but in this case it's nice to have both.)

Offline rizzoa13

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #127 on: June 22, 2016, 09:56 PM »
A good fix for this situation would be to still make the conversion to imperial for future tools but make every 110v metric tool from the UK (that is currently available, none of the Naina stuff)
 available for order through US dealers. Festool as a company already has UL listing for those products so there's no hang up there.

If the metric items could be ordered from the UK then dealers wouldn't need a stockpile of both imperial and metric available. It would obviously take longer than current transit times to get those items but they'd be available and the customer who is ordering it would do so knowing it would take longer to recieve the item.

If festool backed this and still offered the 3 year warranty on those UK ordered items then everyone would be happy and you could go on introducing your imperial line in an effort to appeal to a broader US customer base. Win/win if you ask me.

Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #128 on: June 22, 2016, 09:59 PM »
A good fix for this situation would be to still make the conversion to imperial for future tools but make every 110v metric tool from the UK (that is currently available, none of the Naina stuff)
 available for order through US dealers. Festool as a company already has UL listing for those products so there's no hang up there.

If the metric items could be ordered from the UK then dealers wouldn't need a stockpile of both imperial and metric available. It would obviously take longer than current transit times to get those items but they'd be available and the customer who is ordering it would do so knowing it would take longer to recieve the item.

If festool backed this and still offered the 3 year warranty on those UK ordered items then everyone would be happy and you could go on introducing your imperial line in an effort to appeal to a broader US customer base. Win/win if you ask me.

A very good point .. you could take this further and introduce the concept of an international warranty. That'd put a cat amongst the pigeons [big grin]

Offline bkharman

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #129 on: June 22, 2016, 10:31 PM »
Here is my take.

I love my metric tools. I don't think they make me a better woodworker, but I don't sweat it when doing everything in mm. Am I chaffed about this move to Imperial?  Maybe a little but I am also a business owner and you go where the money is. I get thousands of ideas from my current customers a month and we take most of them very seriously, but it is about where the potential customer base is. That is business 101.

For example, we target Amazon customers (AWS... Not shopping) and have turned down a lot of customers that solely run Google or Azure. It sucks to tell them we don't have a good offering for them but then when I look at the pool of 30-40 thousand new AWS customers per month, those concerns go away real quick!

As long as my MFS and domino and Incra fence don't change overnight...  I am fine with this. Those are my precision items and won't be impacted. Everything else is set by blocks, calipers and just plain old thickness of the wood.

If you choose to move on from buying Festool because of this, the large pool of potential new customers excited about imperial Festools will gladly take your place.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #130 on: June 22, 2016, 10:33 PM »
There sure is a lot of ire coming from people who won't be effected about a sticker on a track saw and a knob on a router.

I'll bet you can get yourself a sticker and knob from England for pretty cheap, warranty intact.

A crash and burn trying to expand in NA will have a dramatic impact on a company's international business. To you it's a sticker and a knob .. to me it's a fundamental floor in understanding the market and how customers will react.

When Australia went metric you could get stickers for you speedo for a wide range of cars .. fortunately that evolved.

I hardly think offering six tools in imperial will put Festool out of business.
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Offline Mort

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #131 on: June 22, 2016, 10:44 PM »


I'm also curious when Australia and the U.K. are going to start driving on the right so we can stop producing cars in right hand drive?


@Mort
Why change the subject. As a FOG member I am entitled to express my thoughts in this subject and, as I said in a previous post, I am just as surprised by the NA reaction here as I am of the decision.

As to driving on the right or left. I have driven in Europe, Canada and the US. My last trip to Europe covered 20,000 Kms. I actually prefer driving on the right hand side of the road and want it adopted here.

It's not changing the subject, it's an analogy. As someone who drives professionally on the right side of the road, I care very little what you do in Australia. It'd be cool to get one of those Holden Maloos here but other than that...

Strong opinions are fine, and I respect yours, I just don't get it. It's just a sticker and a knob. And it's not like you're putting a sticker over an etched or embossed label, it's over another sticker.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #132 on: June 22, 2016, 10:54 PM »
it's not like you're putting a sticker over an etched or embossed label, it's over another sticker.

I think that this actually explains why the MFS has been dropped in NA.

Offline sprior

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #133 on: June 22, 2016, 10:54 PM »
Well here's a response from a craftsman in an imperial dominant country is responding - after buying a decent selection of Festool tools and converting my process to metric despite the obvious issues with availability of metric hardware in the US I feel downright betrayed by Festool deciding not to continue to make their tools available in metric.  It makes no sense whatsoever to work in imperial and then switch to metric when using the LR-32 system.  Since making most of my Festool purchases I've also bought a 3D printer and a CNC and found that even in the US those things are almost exclusively metric so at the moment things are largely consistent in my shop.


4. It's interesting that many of the harshest responses have come from people outside of NA. Obviously, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but it will be interesting to see how the majority of craftsmen in imperial-dominant countries respond. The non-FOG response to this so far as been largely positive.

Offline Christopher Fitch

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #134 on: June 22, 2016, 11:04 PM »
My 2 cents (as a US customer) though I'm somewhat certain it won't matter.

I'm surprised and somewhat dismayed at the approach Festool has taken in this matter. Ignoring the meaningless debate over Metric vs Imperial...

- Selling Metric-only scaled tools in the US has not been ideal for some given the differences. I can't say it's been great for me but the system is consistent.
- Selling Imperial-only scaled tools might be great for new US customers but now the system becomes extremely inconsistent for current customers and potentially makes additional outlays questionable. Furthermore, if Festool's plan is to add new customers who otherwise would not have bought in to the system due to Metric vs Imperial, then this is even more short-sighted because those new customers will still be faced with buying metric tools down the road and running in to all the potential issues this approach may trigger. This would add confusion etc. If the plan is to add more Imperial tools in the US over time then it might make more sense but it still seems problematic for all the same reasons. It's just strung out over time.
- Selling some solution allowing for ease of switching is better than the current approach.
- Continuing to sell metric tools along-side the new Imperial tools would be even better. This gives people real choice.
- Selling hybrid tools that combine both scales would have been the best approach . In addition, there is no extra work involved in this because you already have metric and merely adding an imperial scale along side would not cost anymore from a tooling standpoint since you already have committed to changing the tools for the US market.

As a final comment, this just seems to be a bizarre and not well-thought out decision. There were better ways to handle this and still achieve increasing market share.


Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #135 on: June 22, 2016, 11:21 PM »
I have yet to have anything I work on know whether I'm cutting, planeing, routing, Domino'ing using metric or imperial measurements.

Never understood the scale/measurement issues.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #136 on: June 22, 2016, 11:35 PM »
A good fix for this situation would be to still make the conversion to imperial for future tools but make every 110v metric tool from the UK (that is currently available, none of the Naina stuff)
 available for order through US dealers. Festool as a company already has UL listing for those products so there's no hang up there.

If the metric items could be ordered from the UK then dealers wouldn't need a stockpile of both imperial and metric available. It would obviously take longer than current transit times to get those items but they'd be available and the customer who is ordering it would do so knowing it would take longer to recieve the item.

If festool backed this and still offered the 3 year warranty on those UK ordered items then everyone would be happy and you could go on introducing your imperial line in an effort to appeal to a broader US customer base. Win/win if you ask me.

I've pretty much converted to metric after getting into Festool.  Converted over my Incra and added Woodpecker rules and metric rules for my combination squares.  I don't want to be forced to purchase Imperial.  Make available metric and 110V to those of us here in NA that prefer them.  And provide the warranty for the premium tool line that we are paying a premium price for. 

Imperial is fine for those who wish them, just don't cut off those of us who've bought in to the system and want them in Metric.

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Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #137 on: June 22, 2016, 11:41 PM »
I hardly think offering six tools in imperial will put Festool out of business.

I have direct experience of what can bring a organisation unstuck and you'd be very surprised how insignificant the cause can seem.

... and to be clear, they are taking tools from their core range and converting all future local products to imperial while the rest of their range that is sold as a system is metric.

Look at the situation from a more than a "it doesn't bother me" perspective and ask why it's happening. Realistically there is concern in a hot track saw marketplace and this is a reaction. Companies (like people) make mistakes when they react. Instead of leading and innovating, Festool are following. Sometimes changing course and following while you get your house in order can be appropriate.

Consider a few points ...

1. It's already obvious that several existing NA customers are not happy - that's a negative.
2. There's no certainty that switching a few tools to imperial will have a significant impact on sales - that's a concern.
3. People appraising the imperial track saw may look at the rest of the system and go "hang on - this is supposed to be a system" - that's a risk.
4. Regardless of how insignificant you think a "label and a knob" are, it's obviously more significant than just offering both to the customer - so there's a cost.

Just to bend the subject back round to cars, realistically we'll have self drive way before we could effect an infrastructure change .. so it really doesn't matter if the steering wheel is absent from the left or the right of the car [wink]

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #138 on: June 23, 2016, 12:42 AM »
SOLUTION:

Buy the items you want (or may want), now before the inventory for metric is exhausted:


Item #   New Item #   Description
574553   574690      Planer HL 850 E Imp.
574339   574691      Router OF 1010 EQ Imp.
574342   574692      Router OF 1400 EQ Imp.
574354   574689      Router OF 2200 Imp.
561556   574683      Circular Saw TS 55 REQ Imp.
561438   574684      Circular Saw TS 75 EQ Imp.
561730   574685      Circular Saw TSC 55 REB Li
561718   574686      Circular Saw TSC 55REB Li XL
495717   201182      Parallel Side Fence
495718   201183      Parallel Guide Extension

For me, that would be:


561438 Circular Saw TS 75 EQ              $780.00
574342       OF 1400 EQ Router             $560.00
57000023    Parallel Guide Set               $335.00
                                                     ____________                                                 
                                                        $1,675.00
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Offline Paul G

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #139 on: June 23, 2016, 01:00 AM »
SOLUTION:

Buy the items you want (or may want), now before the inventory for metric is exhausted:


that approach would exhaust my budget long before the invenory.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #140 on: June 23, 2016, 02:23 AM »
SOLUTION:

Buy the items you want (or may want), now before the inventory for metric is exhausted:


Item #   New Item #   Description
574553   574690      Planer HL 850 E Imp.
574339   574691      Router OF 1010 EQ Imp.
574342   574692      Router OF 1400 EQ Imp.
574354   574689      Router OF 2200 Imp.
561556   574683      Circular Saw TS 55 REQ Imp.
561438   574684      Circular Saw TS 75 EQ Imp.
561730   574685      Circular Saw TSC 55 REB Li
561718   574686      Circular Saw TSC 55REB Li XL
495717   201182      Parallel Side Fence
495718   201183      Parallel Guide Extension

For me, that would be:


561438 Circular Saw TS 75 EQ              $780.00
574342       OF 1400 EQ Router             $560.00
57000023    Parallel Guide Set               $335.00
                                                     ____________                                                 
                                                        $1,675.00

I wish this was an option for me.  Why couldn't the parallel guides be offered in metric still?  I wasn't planning on getting it right this moment and I'm not trying to be dramatic, but I do feel a little bit of stress about getting stuff I want in metric before its gone.

I don't think I checked this forum as much in a day as I did today and it's all because I'm curious what folks think about this move.

I find myself agreeing with nearly all the pro-metric comments and it would please me to no end if Festool USA ends up reconsidering this move.

Like others said, the US is becoming metric in the technical fields.  In the sciences and medicine, it's all metric.  We talk about the size of semiconductors in nanometers.  Camera lenses are always in mm.  Most cars have bolts and nuts in metric. Etc.

I think the metric system is absolutely at home in fine wood working (I'm thinking furniture and cabinets) since we strive for precision and accuracy which is arguably easier with the metric system, but I admit for house builders putting up framing, I don't see it moving to metric.

So I think should the carpentry saws with the cross-cutting rails (HKC 55, HK 55, HK 85) ever come to the US market, those should absolutely have imperial units because it'll be used for house building primarily but perhaps keep the other stuff available in metric.

Thanks for listening.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #141 on: June 23, 2016, 02:57 AM »
I bet you this is an economic decision to grow sales. Probably see them in home depot next. Interesting news.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #142 on: June 23, 2016, 03:00 AM »
Wow.  I can't believe this thread is still going.  I don't know a single person in the US using the metric system in their daily work. 

It's just a unit of measure.  Put a conversion sticker on it if you can't cope.  I have the imperial sticker on my TS55.  I only use it as an initial guess at the thickness I'm cutting, but usually drop the blade to check clearances.  I do the same with other tools.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #143 on: June 23, 2016, 05:13 AM »
Wow.  I can't believe this thread is still going.  I don't know a single person in the US using the metric system in their daily work. 

It's just a unit of measure.  Put a conversion sticker on it if you can't cope.  I have the imperial sticker on my TS55.  I only use it as an initial guess at the thickness I'm cutting, but usually drop the blade to check clearances.  I do the same with other tools.


This is an argument that could go both ways:

"It's just a unit of measure.  Put a conversion sticker on it if you can't cope".

So you have never been to a Pharmacy, Dentist, Doctor, Vet or Hospital?

"I don't know a single person in the US using the metric system in their daily work". 

Ever driven by a farm, and seen a green John Deere tractor out in the field?  Every nut and bolt on that tractor is in Metric.  The tractor can't be serviced without metric tools.

Metric is everywhere, even in this country.  You just need to open your eyes and think.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #144 on: June 23, 2016, 05:35 AM »
I have the imperial sticker on my TS55.  I only use it as an initial guess at the thickness I'm cutting, but usually drop the blade to check clearances.  I do the same with other tools.
with my metric scale, I don't have to guess and then double-check. YMMV

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #145 on: June 23, 2016, 07:46 AM »
Wow.  I can't believe this thread is still going.  I don't know a single person in the US using the metric system in their daily work. 

It's just a unit of measure.  Put a conversion sticker on it if you can't cope.  I have the imperial sticker on my TS55.  I only use it as an initial guess at the thickness I'm cutting, but usually drop the blade to check clearances.  I do the same with other tools.


This is an argument that could go both ways:

"It's just a unit of measure.  Put a conversion sticker on it if you can't cope".

So you have never been to a Pharmacy, Dentist, Doctor, Vet or Hospital?

"I don't know a single person in the US using the metric system in their daily work". 

Ever driven by a farm, and seen a green John Deere tractor out in the field?  Every nut and bolt on that tractor is in Metric.  The tractor can't be serviced without metric tools.

Metric is everywhere, even in this country.  You just need to open your eyes and think.

Sorry.  I work in the aerospace industry.  If we get anything in metric units we convert it to imperial units and go from there.  When I said "I don't know a single person in the US who..." I was limiting that to people who I actually know in engineering.  Come to think of it, my doctor uses imperial units for height and weight.  I don't know what doctors you are visiting.

I do think...I think some of these arguments for "metric or bust" are funny.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #146 on: June 23, 2016, 07:49 AM »
I have the imperial sticker on my TS55.  I only use it as an initial guess at the thickness I'm cutting, but usually drop the blade to check clearances.  I do the same with other tools.
with my metric scale, I don't have to guess and then double-check. YMMV

So when I cut 3/4" or 5/4" boards I working with I should convert that millimeters and use the metric scale on my TS55?

Like I said, I have the imperial sticker on there and use it to get me close.
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Offline Jimdude

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #147 on: June 23, 2016, 08:06 AM »
So when I cut 3/4" or 5/4" boards I working with I should convert that millimeters and use the metric scale on my TS55?

Like I said, I have the imperial sticker on there and use it to get me close.
I have 18mm boards, obviously. Doesn't change the fact I set the plungedepth without having to check with a phantom plunge.

How does that work anyway? You still don't know how deep you'll plunge unless the workpiece is hanging over an edge. But if you'd cut like that, you don't have splinter protection at the bottom. So you have to move the workpiece as well?

Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #148 on: June 23, 2016, 08:18 AM »
I do think...I think some of these arguments for "metric or bust" are funny.

@Ajax

Your are not being nice.

These are serious concerns for people. Maybe you role in aerospace doesn't involve the metric system in ant way. Can't imagine that would be the case - but that's fine with me [smile]


Offline Ajax

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #149 on: June 23, 2016, 08:27 AM »
So when I cut 3/4" or 5/4" boards I working with I should convert that millimeters and use the metric scale on my TS55?

Like I said, I have the imperial sticker on there and use it to get me close.
I have 18mm boards, obviously. Doesn't change the fact I set the plungedepth without having to check with a phantom plunge.

How does that work anyway? You still don't know how deep you'll plunge unless the workpiece is hanging over an edge. But if you'd cut like that, you don't have splinter protection at the bottom. So you have to move the workpiece as well?

I get it done.  All in imperial: plans, stock, layout and measuring tools, etc.

Like I said, the angst over Festool using imperial scales on their tools (which were designed and manufactured in metric units) is quite silly.  Here in NA most folks use imperial units.  That's a fact. 

And to be honest, the metric units on Festool products was a negative for me.  I liked the tools enough that I decided to by them and compensate (make imperial to metric conversions and apply imperial stickers as required).
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