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Offline TylerC

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Beginning in a few weeks, select Festool tools and accessories will begin featuring imperial scales instead of metric. The imperial versus metric debate here on the FOG has lots of opinions on both sides, but we hope that offering tools in imperial will allow more craftsmen to integrate Festool into their current processes and work habits. This applies to the US and Canada only and will go into effect on July 5, 2016.

We have more details about it at on the Festool USA blog.

Here are the tools that are moving to imperial:

Item #   New Item #   Description
574553   574690      Planer HL 850 E Imp.
574339   574691      Router OF 1010 EQ Imp.
574342   574692      Router OF 1400 EQ Imp.
574354   574689      Router OF 2200 Imp.
561556   574683      Circular Saw TS 55 REQ Imp.
561438   574684      Circular Saw TS 75 EQ Imp.
561730   574685      Circular Saw TSC 55 REB Li
561718   574686      Circular Saw TSC 55REB Li XL
495717   201182      Parallel Side Fence
495718   201183      Parallel Guide Extension
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Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2016, 09:05 AM »
Going back to steam power as well?

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2016, 09:10 AM »

@TylerC, will those tools or any new tools also be available in metric?
Tim

Offline Throwback7r

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2016, 09:11 AM »

@TylerC, will those tools or any new tools also be available in metric?
Tim

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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2016, 09:18 AM »
Going back to steam power as well?

It's OK @Kev , just like Fathers Day is a different month from ours, apparently Fools Day is not on April 1 in NA.  [smile]

I could understand if Festool NA offered both options. Any reading of the FOG should have led to the conclusion that for the NA market both measuring systems have their 'fan' base  and that it would be clever marketing to offer both options.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2016, 09:27 AM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline TylerC

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2016, 09:22 AM »

@TylerC, will those tools or any new tools also be available in metric?
Tim

No. These tools will move to imperial only.
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Offline Paul G

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2016, 09:27 AM »
While I'm glad to be able to get some imperial tools, eliminating their metric counterparts is a big mistake. I'm all for folks having a choice which system they want to use.
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Offline jumpinthefire

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2016, 09:29 AM »
  I almost bought a TS55 last week.

  I much rather have the imperial version. I wonder how long it will take for the average festool retailer to sell all current saws and start selling the new versions.

Offline Bohdan

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2016, 09:30 AM »
Will the 110V tools sold in England be imperial or metric?

Offline TylerC

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2016, 09:31 AM »
Will the 110V tools sold in England be imperial or metric?

This does not affect anything outside of the US and Canada. As far as I know, every other country is remaining 100% metric.
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Offline Bohdan

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2016, 09:34 AM »
So people in NA that want to stay metric will be able to get their tools from England.

Offline TylerC

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2016, 09:34 AM »
  I almost bought a TS55 last week.

  I much rather have the imperial version. I wonder how long it will take for the average festool retailer to sell all current saws and start selling the new versions.

Good question. I'd recommend that you talk to your preferred dealer. If they see that people want the imperial tools, they'll be more apt to stock up quickly.
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Offline andrew.wickes

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2016, 09:37 AM »
Good to know. Also curious when it will start hitting the market. I'm gonna be picking up an OF1400 over the 4th of July weekend but if it's hitting everywhere on the 6th, might wait. Looks like I need to call Woodcraft!
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Offline TylerC

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2016, 09:42 AM »
So people in NA that want to stay metric will be able to get their tools from England.

People are free to buy wherever they want ... with the knowledge that warranties and such won't necessarily apply.

I anticipate that the current stock of metric tools will still be floating around for a while here in NA, so nothing will disappear overnight.
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Offline bobfog

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2016, 09:44 AM »
While I'm glad to be able to get some imperial tools, eliminating their metric counterparts is a big mistake. I'm all for folks having a choice which system they want to use.

Exactly! Especially as they are already made in metric as it stands. This is possibly one of the most stupid and most ignorant thing I have seen Festool do for a while! Feel sorry for those in NA who are denied the choice. Not an imperial vs metric debate, but criticism of Festool forcing a change when it would be so easy to offer imperial as an alternative, not an imposed decision and keep the current metric line-up!
« Last Edit: June 22, 2016, 09:50 AM by bobfog »

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2016, 09:55 AM »

@TylerC, will those tools or any new tools also be available in metric?
Tim

No. These tools will move to imperial only.

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!  [scared]

Why not dual markings, cannot be that hard to implement? I for one work in metric, my addled brain cannot process adding 3/32's to 5/64's but I can manage 2+2.

As a side note, it surprises me that a very progressive company would take a backwards step on such a basic level. Surely your marketing folks have not concluded that there is 0.00245% increase in sales potential by catering to the US Imperial prejudice?

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Offline deepcreek

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2016, 09:55 AM »
This does not affect anything outside of the US and Canada. As far as I know, every other country is remaining 100% metric.

Doesn't Canada use the Metric system?
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Offline TylerC

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2016, 09:58 AM »
Surely your marketing folks have not concluded that there is 0.00245% increase in sales potential by catering to the US Imperial prejudice?

Considering that imperial dominates North America, this move should make Festool more accessible to a much wider group of craftsmen.
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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2016, 09:58 AM »
While I'm glad to be able to get some imperial tools, eliminating their metric counterparts is a big mistake. I'm all for folks having a choice which system they want to use.

Exactly! Especially as they are already made in metric as it stands. This is possibly one of the most stupid and most ignorant thing I have seen Festool do for a while! Feel sorry for those in NA who are denied the choice. Not an imperial vs metric debate, but criticism of Festool forcing a change when it would be so easy to offer imperial as an alternative, not an imposed decision and keep the current metric line-up!

Agree - and it further muddles the market since it is only a partial change with other tools remaining metric. I think this is a major mistake.

My  [2cents] - take it for what it's worth.

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Offline jumpinthefire

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2016, 10:00 AM »
This does not affect anything outside of the US and Canada. As far as I know, every other country is remaining 100% metric.

Doesn't Canada use the Metric system?

yes we use it for speed,distances, Gas Pumps, Temperature

But we still say a pound of sugar, or a 40 ounces bottle of hard liquor

And all construction stuff is still imperial : ex : 2 by 4 studs 4' by 8' plywood, 54'' by 12' drywall sheets etc..
« Last Edit: June 22, 2016, 10:04 AM by jumpinthefire »

Offline jonny round boy

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2016, 10:03 AM »
I also think this is a massive mistake. Offering imperial versions, as an option - yes; Removing the metric versions completely - ridiculous.

I realise that this doesn't affect me in any way, being in the UK, but that doesn't stop me having an opinion [big grin]
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Offline bobfog

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2016, 10:10 AM »
I also think this is a massive mistake. Offering imperial versions, as an option - yes; Removing the metric versions completely - ridiculous.

I realise that this doesn't affect me in any way, being in the UK, but that doesn't stop me having an opinion [big grin]

I'm the same being in the UK. But still this is a forum so all opinions should be equal. I just can't understand the logic of cutting your stock with a tracksaw in imperial then having to switch to metric for the dominos, for example.

Sounds to me that not offering both imperial/metric or at the very least converting all tools to imperial is a half baked job and makes me question the financial stability of Festool USA for settling on such a poor decision that only makes sense if sales are sub-par; but don't have the money to do the necessary work/tooling for changes to be belt and braces and include all the tools in the change.

Offline jamanjeval

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2016, 10:15 AM »
  I almost bought a TS55 last week.

  I much rather have the imperial version. I wonder how long it will take for the average festool retailer to sell all current saws and start selling the new versions.

They include, or once included,  an imperial sticker to go over the metric one that indicates cut depth. All you need to do is peel and stick.

Did something else change that is making you wait? Are the detent depth stops also changing to better align with imperial?

Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2016, 10:15 AM »
Sounds like a decision you'd make after way to long smoking crack cocaine. Stupid to the point of hilarious. I'm so glad I live in Australia.

If this story isn't a joke, Festool US management certainly is a joke.

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2016, 10:17 AM »

@TylerC, will those tools or any new tools also be available in metric?
Tim

No. These tools will move to imperial only.

Thanks for your response Tyler.
I appreciate it.
While I understand the reasons, it's an unfortunate decision.

I am glad I bought my tools when I did.
Not that it matters to Festool, but any future purchases I make if not available locally in metric will be imported from Europe.
Tim

Offline JCLP

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2016, 10:18 AM »
Canadian Wood-Frame House Construction
provides both metric (SI) and imperial units. The National Building Code of Canada
uses metric units and these govern whenever strict interpretations of Code requirements are required. Imperial units of measure
(feet and inches) are still commonly used for wood-framing materials and house construction technology.

Imperial sizes for lumber are nominal sizes (the rough sawn sizes before planing and dimensional changes resulting from drying). For example, a wood member with a nominal size of 2 × 4 in. has a finished size of about
11⁄2 × 31⁄2 in. The metric dimensions for lumber are actual sizes (for example, 38 × 89 mm).
Every reasonable effort has been made to provide accurate conversions of metric dimensions to imperial equivalents; however, it remains the responsibility of designers
and builders to comply with building code requirements.

As an example of the national building code, here is a excerpt from the code.

To agree with the National Building Code,
the metric spacing of wood framing members
is expressed as ‘soft’ conversions from the actual imperial dimensions. For example, spacing of
12, 16 and 24 inches on centre are converted
to 300, 400 and 600 mm on centre, respectively. In order to suit the imperial sizes of common 1220 × 2440 mm (4 × 8 ft.) panel products, such as gypsum board, OSB and plywood, the actual spacing of framing members has been adjusted
to approximately 305, 406 and 610 mm on centre, respectively.

Canada is metric. All stength testing and certification of lumber fabricated and sold in Canada is done using metric units. Try to find a 3/4" thick of plywood made in Canada. Impossible. They are fabricated using metric sizes.

I think Festool is making a big mistake.

Canadian Wood Council

I remember when I did my thesis for my Structural Engineering degree, 25+ years ago, that all lumber, trusses, gusset plates etc, were metric and all findings were published in metric.

I could go on for ever on this topic but I wouldn't. Festool please re-think your decision for Canada. We are not the US.

My 2 cents worth.
Cheers
JC
« Last Edit: June 22, 2016, 10:32 AM by JCLP »

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2016, 10:19 AM »
And all construction stuff is still imperial : ex : 2 by 4 studs 4' by 8' plywood, 54'' by 12' drywall sheets etc..

Not quite true. Many sheet goods are metric sizes but are marketed as imperial. \
Tim

Offline clark_fork

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2016, 10:23 AM »

My LR32 system arrived last week and my parallel guides (both guides) arrive at the end of week. I was working with my Hultafors Talmeter and Swiss measuring rule just last night. I now have 25.4 committed to memory and now......

It is obvious the LR32 system can't be adapted but it does provide the best argument for moving to metric overall which I have essentially done.  Now if I just find 355.6 mm on my Hultafors... and my new parallel guides.

I know I can just shoot my new parallel guides back for a full refund but I have made the decision to move to metric. End of story.

I would like to know if metric will still be available in NA.
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Offline TylerC

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2016, 10:24 AM »
Sounds like a decision you'd make after way to long smoking crack cocaine. Stupid to the point of hilarious. I'm so glad I live in Australia.

If this story isn't a joke, Festool US management certainly is a joke.

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Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2016, 10:31 AM »
...  If this story isn't a joke, Festool US management certainly is a joke.

It's not about doing the smart thing, it's about marketing.  You must know from how effective Festool is at enforcing pricing policies that they are geniuses at marketing.  They are not selling to some theoretical population that loves metric, at least in the US.  It's not -just- marketing, but they have the marketing part down pat.  They are selling what the market will buy.

But if Festool management are geniuses, of course that begs the question - to whom/what does the joke moniker apply?