Author Topic: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe) (Read 7229 times)

xedos · « **Reply #30 on:** October 22, 2019, 11:11 PM »

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if Festool is producing these in house?

Or, have they partnered with someone as with the vecturo ?

Alex · « **Reply #31 on:** October 23, 2019, 03:04 AM »

Quote from: greg mann on October 22, 2019, 05:58 PM

It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters. If this is indeed the case I think it will have a negative impact on acceptance of this tool this side of the pond.

A 14 mm arbor is indeed the standard for grinders here. As for acceptance in the USA, Festool's marketing department will have probably had some good brainstorms about that before launging the tool. But face it, if the USA wants international products, they're sooner or later gonna have to face the fact they can't be the last 5% who use imperial while the other 95% of the world uses metric.

Quote from: Cheese on October 22, 2019, 07:40 PM

Greg the AGC 15 utilizes a 5/8" diameter arbor.

I would not put my trust in a single website. For the shaft of the AGC 18, EKAT gives the exact same part number 10202093 for European models as for the American model, so it is the same part, and you can be very sure the size of the arbor is M14 over here and not 5/8th.

Quote from: xedos on October 22, 2019, 08:12 PM

Could be the artwork wasn't ready yet, but it's more likely that Festool is playing fast and loose with nomenclature. It'd be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes beside graphics.

Yes, it would be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes, but it is a bit negative to say Festool would be playing fast and loose with nomenclature. More likely the author of the website filled in a missing value himself, not knowing there might be a difference.

Brice Burrell · « **Reply #32 on:** October 23, 2019, 11:38 AM »

Quote from: Alex on October 22, 2019, 01:53 PM

@Brice Burrell

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size.

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.

I just checked my Metabo grinder (with 50mm collar) and it wouldn't mount in a Protool version of the DCC-AG 125. It wasn't so much the diameter of the collar, but there wasn't enough collar depth, and lack of indexing pins to make a connection to the DCC-AG 125.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #33 on:** October 23, 2019, 03:15 PM »

Another data point, all Metabo 18v drills have chuck spindles that are threaded 1/2”-20tpi

xedos · « **Reply #34 on:** October 23, 2019, 03:21 PM »

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Quote from: xedos on Yesterday at 08:12 PM

Could be the artwork wasn't ready yet, but it's more likely that Festool is playing fast and loose with nomenclature. It'd be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes beside graphics.

Yes, it would be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes, but it is a bit negative to say Festool would be playing fast and loose with nomenclature. More likely the author of the website filled in a missing value himself, not knowing there might be a difference.

Neither a negative or a positive. I'm referring to how Festool all of a sudden has SAE scale tools now in the USA , yet the adjustments themselves still remain in millimeters. Festool's own USA site that lists the Keyless Flange Nut QRN-AGC 18 as 5/8" and shows the picture of it with M14 clearly marked on it.

A re-seller that has an error like this on their page for an unreleased tool is understandable. The manufacturer's

I'd liken it to the TS55 stating it has a 3/4" arbor on Festool's website when it launched.

Of course , I've got copious amounts of egg on my face if these things really do show up with 5/8"-11 arbors. I'm pretty sure adapters already exist for converting M14 to 5/8"-11.

Cheese · « **Reply #35 on:** October 24, 2019, 09:46 AM »

Quote from: PeterJJames13 on October 22, 2019, 09:37 PM

I just picked one up. 99.9% sure it's 5/8"-11. I can check tomorrow am if you'd like.

Hey @PeterJJames13 , did you have a chance to check the grinder yesterday? And if it is a 5/8"-11 arbor, does it also have M14 laser engraved on the flange nut?

PeterJJames13 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 24, 2019, 10:25 AM »

@Cheese nobody seemed to take me up on the offer, but I'll check tonight/tomorrow and report back. I'm pretty sure it's 5/8"-11. Would be weird if they engraved M14 on there lol. I'll find out.

Cheese · « **Reply #37 on:** October 24, 2019, 10:48 AM »

Quote from: PeterJJames13 on October 24, 2019, 10:25 AM

@Cheese nobody seemed to take me up on the offer, but I'll check tonight/tomorrow and report back. I'm pretty sure it's 5/8"-11. Would be weird if they engraved M14 on there lol. I'll find out.

Thanks Peter...

I'm curious because while the Festool Operators Manual stipulates a M14 spindle, the distributors below offer a different spin and they had to get this information from somewhere.

ACME: "Arbor Size (in) 5/8"

Highland Hardware: "It accepts 4-1/2" & 5" cutting and grinding wheels for 5/8" arbor. The wheels mount and change easily with the Keyless Flange Nut."

Toolnut: "Accepts any brand of 4-1/2" diameter discs with standard 5/8" arbor"

Woodcraft: "Spindle thread/flange: 5/8"

PeterJJames13 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 24, 2019, 12:14 PM »

@Cheese - I'll check it out tonight/tomorrow am and report back. If the flanges will fit on a DeWalt grinder, we'll know for sure it's a 5/8"-11.....

ScotF · « **Reply #39 on:** October 24, 2019, 10:16 PM »

I thought it was 5/8 in North America. I believe you can get the toolless nut to work with any grinder with a 5/8 inch arbor.

Bob D. · « **Reply #40 on:** October 25, 2019, 07:15 AM »

"But face it, if the USA wants international products, they're sooner or later gonna have to face the fact they can't be the last 5% who use imperial while the other 95% of the world uses metric."

I wish we had moved away from imperial measurement system decades ago as was promised. I went through grade school being told the metric system is right around the corner, better learn it now so you'll be prepared. Well, it's 50+ years later and it ain't happened yet, maybe my grandson will see it happen but I'm running out of time.

PeterJJames13 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 25, 2019, 08:40 AM »

@Cheese and everyone else - my apologies for the super blurry pic (it was taken while trying to get three kids ready for school this am), but the nut is marked 5/8"-11. While I agree about everything said of the metric system, I'm glad this particular tool was "Americanized" so consumables are readily available.

Cheese · « **Reply #42 on:** October 25, 2019, 10:34 AM »

Thanks 🙏🙏 for that @PeterJJames13 ,

now I can try a couple of different dry cut porcelain blades. Braxton Bragg have a few I want to try.

Festool also offers one 769162.

PeterJJames13 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 25, 2019, 10:50 AM »

@Cheese that's an interesting looking rim on the diamond blade - not quite like the turbo rims I've seen. My only concern is will it fit the USA versions....

xedos · « **Reply #44 on:** October 25, 2019, 01:14 PM »

Face, meet egg.

Peter beat me to the post , but I was in my local dealer this morn and had a go with their display. I just happened to have a 5/8-11 nut from a Dewalt to try out. The display’s nut didn’t have any labeling on it as I recall.

I’m flabbergasted and impressed the Festool took this route.

PeterJJames13 · « **Reply #45 on:** October 25, 2019, 01:18 PM »

@xedos I'm glad it's a 5/8"-11. Makes finding wheels much easier and not being locked into a proprietary or hard to find consumable market is what pushed me over the edge to get one. I can take clearer pics. In my morning shuffle and no coffee, I took a blurry pic, but also threw the nut in my jacket pocket so it's with me at work. Now thinking about how easily I did that, I should probably pick up an extra nut for when I will do that again in the future lol.

alain.coste.3@orange.fr · « **Reply #46 on:** December 18, 2019, 06:20 PM »

Hello
I am about to buy a festool grinder/cutting system, and the cordless models seem very interesting. After reading this topic, I thought that the AGC18 or the DSC-AGC18 can be mounted on the DCC-AG 125 (769075) to use it with Festools rails. To choose between the AGC and the DSC-AGC I phoned Festool technical service (in France) and got very bad news; according to the technician :
- neither the AGC18 nor the DSC-AGC18 can be mounted on the DCC-AG125 (while having the same diameter the collar is not compatible).
- also the AGC18 cannot be mounted on the DCC-AG 125 FH (the hood sold with the DSC-AGC18)
- and the DSC-AGC18 cannot be used for grinding as the SH-AGC18 (sold with the AGC18) cannot be mounted on it.
So if you want to grind and cut cordless you must buy TWO machines (and even then you cannot use the rail !).

On the other hand, always according to the technician, the corded version (DSC-AG125) is compatible with all the hoods (for grinding, cutting, included with the rail).

I do not know what to think anymore. I can hardly believe that Festool create such incompatibilities. But this was confirmed by a Festool technician ... I am really disappointed, and about to buy another brand.

If somebody who owns a AGC18 could confirm which hoods this machine can really be mounted on, many thanks to him.

Simon O · « **Reply #47 on:** April 03, 2020, 01:05 PM »

Hi Alain, out of interest what did you end up deciding to do?

grobkuschelig · « **Reply #48 on:** April 03, 2020, 05:01 PM »

I was always under the impression that the difference between the two grinders is just a rotation of the head...

Would be glad to learn more details.

mino · « **Reply #49 on:** April 21, 2020, 06:50 PM »

Quote from: Cheese on October 19, 2019, 02:54 PM

I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

The DCC-AG 125 (769075) is a dust extraction attachment that also allows the grinder to be used on a Festool guide rail.

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/769075---dcc-ag-125

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The AGC 18 series will NOT accept any of the AGC125 series accessories without a modification or a shim.

The AGC/DSC 18 series use a 50mm diameter keyless system for guard/fence/etc. attachment.
The AGC/DSC/DCG 125 series use a 54mm diameter "screw/pressure" attachment system. I guess a new release of the corded versions will migrate to the 50mm keyless system eventually.

I ended up buying all three fences along with the AGC 18 .. as expected them to fit ... only to find out they do not.
The "FH" dusct collection piece for the DSC 18 is a separate item from the DSC 125 FH and is not available as retail, only as a spare part.

I guess Festool figured most people did not buy into the grinder "system" so they dropped the concept with the cordless version.
Come to think of it, Festool inherited the AGC125 line from Protool and probably never really liked the "value" appeal.

The DCG-AG shroud (makes the RG 130 redundant for a non-pro user) was now discontinued too. Good I got it while still was in shops.
With a DIA-HARD disc it is a godsend for the occasional wall job at a masonry/concrete home.

eljub · « **Reply #50 on:** May 14, 2020, 01:21 PM »

Quote from: Cheese on October 19, 2019, 02:54 PM

I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

The DCC-AG 125 (769075) is a dust extraction attachment that also allows the grinder to be used on a Festool guide rail.

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/769075---dcc-ag-125

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Hello,

I bought the DSC-AGC 18 then I though this DCC-AG 125 (769075) guide was compatible but this is not working

I cannot return it, my fault so I will buy the DSC-AG 125 FH so the dust extraction will be also working for this model

yetihunter · « **Reply #51 on:** May 25, 2020, 01:51 AM »

Quote from: xedos on October 22, 2019, 11:11 PM

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if Festool is producing these in house?

Or, have they partnered with someone as with the vecturo ?

Sorry for being late to the party. It’s the same form factor as the newer cordless Fein grinders but with a sliding switch and the head turned and it has the identical encapsulated motor found in those Fein grinders, so, all speculation is Fein by me.

ach_78 · « **Reply #52 on:** May 29, 2020, 11:21 AM »

Hi,
I've got the AGC 18-125

Good :
- runs smooth
- tool-less disk attachment
- tool-less guard adjustment
- seems powerful enough although I haven't challenged it's grunt yet
- active brake
- fit and finish as usual (very good)
- did I mention it runs smooth ?

Cons :
- proprietary guard attachment system, any aftermarket accessory/guard with smooth collar won't fit
- body section where you place your hand is ridiculously thick (think Rotex 150 thick), even large hands won't get a good full grip on it. I consider this to be a safety hasard on such a tool that can snap a disc, kickback, etc.
- active brake could/should be stronger and faster to stop the disk
- no dead-man switch, no kickback or fall detection
- cutoff cover attachment not included, Festool's Ripoff-Fu as strong as usual on accessories
- handle needs to be removed for storage in the systainer

Like some other green-button tools, it's a tool that most will buy out of practicality (existing batteries/charger and systainer platform) more than for the actual value of that particular piece.

It's a smooth and fine tool, not arguing about that, but it is by no mean perfect or technically superior than other options on the market that can be acquired for less.

ach_78 · « **Reply #53 on:** May 29, 2020, 12:34 PM »

Forgot to post some RPM measurements I made, 5.2Ah 18V fully charged battery + 6mm grinding disk on :

power position : measured RPM
1 : 4530
2 : 5115
3 : 5800
4 : 6380
5 : 7100
6 : 7560

Pretty linear, just level 6 a tad short.

FWIW.

Maestronus · « **Reply #54 on:** January 01, 2021, 11:09 AM »

Quote from: mino on April 21, 2020, 06:50 PM

The AGC 18 series will NOT accept any of the AGC125 series accessories without a modification or a shim.

The DCG-AG shroud (makes the RG 130 redundant for a non-pro user) was now discontinued too. Good I got it while still was in shops.

Are you using the DCG-AG dust shroud with your AGC 18? Does it fit?

Also could you perhaps give some more details about the modification or shim that allows you to use the AG 125 accessories with your AGC 18?

mino · « **Reply #55 on:** January 07, 2021, 01:45 PM »

Quote from: Maestronus on January 01, 2021, 11:09 AM

Are you using the DCG-AG dust shroud with your AGC 18? Does it fit?

Also could you perhaps give some more details about the modification or shim that allows you to use the AG 125 accessories with your AGC 18?

It does not fit ... without the shim + some grinding here and there.
Making the shim was not too hard with a lathe on hand and a bit of creativity, but without it could be a real pain to get the right shape.
Probably can be simplified though. A cut 2 mm thick aluminum tube may be all needed, skipping the "rib" which registers with the groove on the AGC18 in my version. I use this also with the DCC-AG 125 so wanted as tight and secure fit as possible, so maybe overdid it a bit.

AGC-18 + DCG-AG + DIA HARD-D130 PREMIUM Disc installed:

DCG-AG modification:

Shim (for AGP-125 attachments to fit AGC-18):

DIA HARD-D130 PREMIUM Disc - these (and other types) come in a set with two washers and a safety screw - the washer is REQUIRED for using the DCG-AG as else there is not enough clearance.
https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/768017---dia-hard-d130-premium
I believe the "Innen-Ø 25/22,2 mm" line in the description means you will get the washer(s)
(I got two of them actually, one for 25mm + one for 22mm + a shim for mounting the 25mm disc on the 22mm washer):

AGC-18 + DCG-AG + example off-the-shelf sandpaper carrier (works but dust collection is limited):