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Offline Phil Beckley

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Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« on: July 08, 2019, 04:13 PM »
Hi
Available beginning September
https://www.festool.co.uk/products/cutting/cordless-angle-grinder/575345---agc-18-125li5,2eb-plusgb

Any questions will get back to you
Rg
Phil
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 01:24 PM »
Phil, is the DSC-AGC 18 FH also coming out at the same time, or is that just the AGC-18 with some accessories for improved dust collection and depth of cut control



And more importantly (to me anyway), when will it be available in the North America, if ever. I could use this tool right now.

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/cutting/cordless-freehand-cutting-system/575347---agc-18-125-li5,2eb-setgb
« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 01:28 PM by Bob D. »
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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2019, 02:52 PM »
Phil, is the DSC-AGC 18 FH also coming out at the same time, or is that just the AGC-18 with some accessories for improved dust collection and depth of cut control



And more importantly (to me anyway), when will it be available in the North America, if ever. I could use this tool right now.

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/cutting/cordless-freehand-cutting-system/575347---agc-18-125-li5,2eb-setgb

Bob, if you need something comparable in cordless in North America, Hilti and Metabo both have powerful cordless grinders and effective dust shrouds. I am in both the Metabo and Hilti battery platforms, but will likely be purchasing the Hilti 5” cordless grinder and their dust-collecting shroud. Either setup will lack the flip-up feature of the Festool, but will likely have better collection due to more fully shrouding the blade. 8.0ah batteries available in both platforms....

« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 02:58 PM by Tom Gensmer »
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2019, 03:10 PM »
Thanks, I like Hilti and Metabo but I can't justify starting in on another battery platform, I've
got four going now (Festool 18v & 15v, Bosch 12v, DeWalt 20v & 8v, RIDGID 18v & 12v) not
counting yard tools (Ryobi 40v and EGO 56v).
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Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 03:48 PM »
Phil, is the DSC-AGC 18 FH also coming out at the same time, or is that just the AGC-18 with some accessories for improved dust collection and depth of cut control



And more importantly (to me anyway), when will it be available in the North America, if ever. I could use this tool right now.

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/cutting/cordless-freehand-cutting-system/575347---agc-18-125-li5,2eb-setgb

Hi
The DS AGC 18 will be available also in September for diamond cutting applications with extraction. As for North America this is for my US colleagues to give information on
Rg
Phil
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Offline Elliott Day

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2019, 10:54 AM »
hi, is the attachment the same as on the corded model?

Offline mbrusso

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2019, 08:25 AM »
I   think this is a good question. It appears the AGC 18 FH in Europe is available with a dust collecting shroud and the one in US/CANADA is not.   Can we not purchase this shroud in order to use it for tile cutting applications?

Offline mbrusso

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2019, 08:59 AM »
Another question , are the tool bodies from Europe compatible with the 18 volt batteries that come with the Canadian tools ? Ie my BPC 18 Battery that works on my BHC 18 hammer drill and PDC 18 Cordless?

On close inspection, it appears they would.

Offline Gregor

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2019, 06:36 PM »
Another question , are the tool bodies from Europe compatible with the 18 volt batteries that come with the Canadian tools ? Ie my BPC 18 Battery that works on my BHC 18 hammer drill and PDC 18 Cordless?

On close inspection, it appears they would.
The batteries are the same, the only difference in the cordless tools in the chargers (and possibly scales not being in sane measurement units - depending on who you ask).


Regarding the AGC 18 LI and the DSC-AGC 18 FH LI there is one thing that makes me not wanting to buy either - and that is that according to EKAT are both identical, except that

the DSC-AGC 18 having
36   10040397   Absaughaube   1   92,61 €   110,21 €   EUR
19   10042693   Winkelanschlag   1   23,21 €   27,62 €   EUR

and the AGC 18 having
17   10202104   Scheibe   1   1,43 €   1,70 €   EUR
18   10202107   Feder   1   1,43 €   1,70 €   EUR
19   10202105   Hebel   1   11,11 €   13,22 €   EUR
(and the blade guard that isn't listed)

and the gearbox being mounted 180° rotated as the difference between these 'two' machines.

That's it.

Festool once made versatile tools that were, while expensive, worth the premium - simply because they could be used as a system. But now, instead of making it one machine that can be used for both applications (by designing the grip incl. power switch position in a way that would have allowed to use the machine with the disc/blade on either side - so both pulling and pushing cuts are possible, which is the sole distinction between in operation of these 'two machines'), they seem to have decided to say 'goodbye' to the system idea and instead to embrace a 'goodbuy' approach (well, good for them) of making the user buy the basically identical machine twice in case he wants to perform both functions.

Which, from a perspective of customer and putting it very mildly, is a design decision that IMHO dosn't deserve any of my money.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2019, 06:03 PM »

and the gearbox being mounted 180° rotated as the difference between these 'two' machines.

That's it.

Like with most (any?) of the grinders, the 180 degree rotation, or 90 degree rotation can be achieved by unscrewing the 4 screws that secure the gearhousing, rotating as needed, and fastening again.

Would be very strange if it was not „the same machine“ in the end.
But Festool is usually „packaging“ for use-cases which might obscure cross-uses, if you do not look closely...

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2019, 02:54 PM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

The DCC-AG 125 (769075) is a dust extraction attachment that also allows the grinder to be used on a Festool guide rail.

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/769075---dcc-ag-125






Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2019, 03:16 PM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm 50 mm!! necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2019, 01:57 PM by Alex »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2019, 10:30 PM »
It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.

Thanks for that @Alex ...I then may need to purchase one for some porcelain tile installation.

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2019, 11:14 AM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.

Alex, you generally know the the tools pretty well, but I have to ask if you know this will fit from first hand knowledge or are you assuming it works?  I ask because Festool tends to use proprietary connections to prevent compatibility with other brands, and even other models of their tools.  Also, I thought I saw people mentioning that the DCC-AG 125 attachment doesn't fit other grinders??
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Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2019, 12:50 PM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.

Alex, you generally know the the tools pretty well, but I have to ask if you know this will fit from first hand knowledge or are you assuming it works?  I ask because Festool tends to use proprietary connections to prevent compatibility with other brands, and even other models of their tools.  Also, I thought I saw people mentioning that the DCC-AG 125 attachment doesn't fit other grinders??

Hiya Brice, long time no see, where have you been? Nice to see you contributing again.

Alright, I have not used the DCC-AG 125 hood myself. But I do know for a fact all Festool grinders have a standard 43 mm neck and a standard shaped body so I see no reason why it should not fit.

As for proprietary connections, I don't see them so much. In my experience Festool generally follows the standards all other German tool manufacturers use. It is sort of an unwritten rule in the German design and engineering world. Especially the grinder has a standard neck because there are so many different attachments for it.

But you are right to question me, I am wrong so many times. To keep everybody happy I'll pop in a dealer tomorrow and see if I can have a closer look to find out for sure.   [smile]
 

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2019, 01:20 PM »
Hiya Brice, long time no see, where have you been? Nice to see you contributing again.
I've been here, but I've just been lurking.
...But you are right to question me, I am wrong so many times. To keep everybody happy I'll pop in a dealer tomorrow and see if I can have a closer look to find out for sure.   [smile]
 

That would be great. [thumbs up]
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2019, 03:37 PM »
@Alex. I have ordered a Metabo 150 grinder. Do you think the neck is still 43mm on a 150 grinder?

Metabo WPB 18 LTX BL 150 18V 6" Cordless Angle Grinder

Looks like I bought the last one from this supplier.

Offline mrB

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2019, 04:22 PM »
I thought the rotation on that specific Festool grinder was the other way round so that the blade isn’t pulling though you the cut, but rather pushing through like a circular saw. ?
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline mrB

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2019, 06:40 PM »
Realised I’m thinking of a different grinder Festool make. Sorry. A regular angle grinder will rotate fine for this accessory. If it does indeed fit of course. .
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2019, 02:43 AM »
@Alex. I have ordered a Metabo 150 grinder. Do you think the neck is still 43mm on a 150 grinder?

Well, I already made a mistake. 43 mm is the standard for the collar of drills and straight grinders. [huh]

For angle grinders of the size 100, 115, 125 and 150 mm the collar size is 50 mm. That's because it is all the same size tool with just a different size disc & hood attached. From 180 mm discs and up you get a different size machine with a bigger collar.

So yes, I'm not infallable, but if you whip me into place once in a while I'll get you there eventually.  [tongue]

Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2019, 01:53 PM »
@Brice Burrell

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size.   

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.

Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2019, 01:55 PM »
@Cheese

It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.

Thanks for that @Alex ...I then may need to purchase one for some porcelain tile installation.

Be adviced that I initially said 43 mm collar size, it should be 50 mm, sorry for that.

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2019, 04:30 PM »
@Brice Burrell

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size.   

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.
Thanks for taking the time to check into this Alex. [thumbs up]
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Offline greg mann

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2019, 05:58 PM »
@Brice Burrell

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size.   

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.



@Alex

It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters. If this is indeed the case I think it will have a negative impact on acceptance of this tool this side of the pond.
 
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2019, 07:08 PM »
@Cheese
Be adviced that I initially said 43 mm collar size, it should be 50 mm, sorry for that.

@Alex , thanks a ton for chasing down this information.  [big grin]  Knowing that the AGC 18 will fit in the DCC AG 125 housing/sled is a big deal for me.  [smile]

Offline xedos

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2019, 07:20 PM »
Quote
It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters. If this is indeed the case I think it will have a negative impact on acceptance of this tool this side of the pond.
 

You're right from a theoretical standpoint. 

However, I doubt Festool thinks they are going to capture much of the "grinder" market.  They'll pitch these as a specialized tool to a niche contractor and the faithful.  Festool will supply all the necessary blades, pads and discs this thing will need just like they do with their sanders and 160mm TS55 saw.

The fact you're somewhat beholden to them for accessories and consumables is what they've set out to accomplish.  Amazon will be happy to deliver you a lot of M14 grinder accessories.  They aren't that difficult to source.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (US Version)
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2019, 07:40 PM »

@Alex

It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters.

Greg the AGC 15 utilizes a 5/8" diameter arbor.   [cool]

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Offline xedos

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2019, 08:12 PM »
Cheese - I'm just not sure I'd trust that matrix.

No USA owners manual is available online, Festool USA website is mum on the arbor size, ACME doesn't even have one in stock.  The accessories show a keyless nut saying it's 5/8"  yet it's clearly stamped M14.

Could be the artwork wasn't ready yet, but it's more likely that Festool is playing fast and loose with nomenclature.  It'd be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes beside graphics.

Offline greg mann

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2019, 08:59 PM »
I am not personally fretting about 14mm versus 5/8. I have an ras115 already and am aware that festool used to have a pretty neat accessory line for it in Europe. It is possible some of that may be resurrected with the intro of this tool. Also, I find festool’s perishable offerings very satisfactory  from a price perspective as well as comprehensive. Being ‘locked in’ is not an issue for me but a 14mm will probably be bemoaned as nauseum similarly to centrotec.

Remember where you first read that.  [big grin]
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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2019, 09:37 PM »
I just picked one up. 99.9% sure it's 5/8"-11. I can check tomorrow am if you'd like.