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Offline Phil Beckley

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Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« on: July 08, 2019, 04:13 PM »
Hi
Available beginning September
https://www.festool.co.uk/products/cutting/cordless-angle-grinder/575345---agc-18-125li5,2eb-plusgb

Any questions will get back to you
Rg
Phil
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 01:24 PM »
Phil, is the DSC-AGC 18 FH also coming out at the same time, or is that just the AGC-18 with some accessories for improved dust collection and depth of cut control



And more importantly (to me anyway), when will it be available in the North America, if ever. I could use this tool right now.

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/cutting/cordless-freehand-cutting-system/575347---agc-18-125-li5,2eb-setgb
« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 01:28 PM by Bob D. »
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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2019, 02:52 PM »
Phil, is the DSC-AGC 18 FH also coming out at the same time, or is that just the AGC-18 with some accessories for improved dust collection and depth of cut control



And more importantly (to me anyway), when will it be available in the North America, if ever. I could use this tool right now.

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/cutting/cordless-freehand-cutting-system/575347---agc-18-125-li5,2eb-setgb

Bob, if you need something comparable in cordless in North America, Hilti and Metabo both have powerful cordless grinders and effective dust shrouds. I am in both the Metabo and Hilti battery platforms, but will likely be purchasing the Hilti 5” cordless grinder and their dust-collecting shroud. Either setup will lack the flip-up feature of the Festool, but will likely have better collection due to more fully shrouding the blade. 8.0ah batteries available in both platforms....

« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 02:58 PM by Tom Gensmer »
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2019, 03:10 PM »
Thanks, I like Hilti and Metabo but I can't justify starting in on another battery platform, I've
got four going now (Festool 18v & 15v, Bosch 12v, DeWalt 20v & 8v, RIDGID 18v & 12v) not
counting yard tools (Ryobi 40v and EGO 56v).
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Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 03:48 PM »
Phil, is the DSC-AGC 18 FH also coming out at the same time, or is that just the AGC-18 with some accessories for improved dust collection and depth of cut control



And more importantly (to me anyway), when will it be available in the North America, if ever. I could use this tool right now.

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/cutting/cordless-freehand-cutting-system/575347---agc-18-125-li5,2eb-setgb

Hi
The DS AGC 18 will be available also in September for diamond cutting applications with extraction. As for North America this is for my US colleagues to give information on
Rg
Phil
Festool U.K.

Offline Elliott Day

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2019, 10:54 AM »
hi, is the attachment the same as on the corded model?

Offline mbrusso

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2019, 08:25 AM »
I   think this is a good question. It appears the AGC 18 FH in Europe is available with a dust collecting shroud and the one in US/CANADA is not.   Can we not purchase this shroud in order to use it for tile cutting applications?

Offline mbrusso

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2019, 08:59 AM »
Another question , are the tool bodies from Europe compatible with the 18 volt batteries that come with the Canadian tools ? Ie my BPC 18 Battery that works on my BHC 18 hammer drill and PDC 18 Cordless?

On close inspection, it appears they would.

Offline Gregor

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2019, 06:36 PM »
Another question , are the tool bodies from Europe compatible with the 18 volt batteries that come with the Canadian tools ? Ie my BPC 18 Battery that works on my BHC 18 hammer drill and PDC 18 Cordless?

On close inspection, it appears they would.
The batteries are the same, the only difference in the cordless tools in the chargers (and possibly scales not being in sane measurement units - depending on who you ask).


Regarding the AGC 18 LI and the DSC-AGC 18 FH LI there is one thing that makes me not wanting to buy either - and that is that according to EKAT are both identical, except that

the DSC-AGC 18 having
36   10040397   Absaughaube   1   92,61 €   110,21 €   EUR
19   10042693   Winkelanschlag   1   23,21 €   27,62 €   EUR

and the AGC 18 having
17   10202104   Scheibe   1   1,43 €   1,70 €   EUR
18   10202107   Feder   1   1,43 €   1,70 €   EUR
19   10202105   Hebel   1   11,11 €   13,22 €   EUR
(and the blade guard that isn't listed)

and the gearbox being mounted 180° rotated as the difference between these 'two' machines.

That's it.

Festool once made versatile tools that were, while expensive, worth the premium - simply because they could be used as a system. But now, instead of making it one machine that can be used for both applications (by designing the grip incl. power switch position in a way that would have allowed to use the machine with the disc/blade on either side - so both pulling and pushing cuts are possible, which is the sole distinction between in operation of these 'two machines'), they seem to have decided to say 'goodbye' to the system idea and instead to embrace a 'goodbuy' approach (well, good for them) of making the user buy the basically identical machine twice in case he wants to perform both functions.

Which, from a perspective of customer and putting it very mildly, is a design decision that IMHO dosn't deserve any of my money.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2019, 06:03 PM »

and the gearbox being mounted 180° rotated as the difference between these 'two' machines.

That's it.

Like with most (any?) of the grinders, the 180 degree rotation, or 90 degree rotation can be achieved by unscrewing the 4 screws that secure the gearhousing, rotating as needed, and fastening again.

Would be very strange if it was not „the same machine“ in the end.
But Festool is usually „packaging“ for use-cases which might obscure cross-uses, if you do not look closely...

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2019, 02:54 PM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

The DCC-AG 125 (769075) is a dust extraction attachment that also allows the grinder to be used on a Festool guide rail.

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/769075---dcc-ag-125






Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2019, 03:16 PM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm 50 mm!! necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2019, 01:57 PM by Alex »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2019, 10:30 PM »
It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.

Thanks for that @Alex ...I then may need to purchase one for some porcelain tile installation.

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2019, 11:14 AM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.

Alex, you generally know the the tools pretty well, but I have to ask if you know this will fit from first hand knowledge or are you assuming it works?  I ask because Festool tends to use proprietary connections to prevent compatibility with other brands, and even other models of their tools.  Also, I thought I saw people mentioning that the DCC-AG 125 attachment doesn't fit other grinders??

Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2019, 12:50 PM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.

Alex, you generally know the the tools pretty well, but I have to ask if you know this will fit from first hand knowledge or are you assuming it works?  I ask because Festool tends to use proprietary connections to prevent compatibility with other brands, and even other models of their tools.  Also, I thought I saw people mentioning that the DCC-AG 125 attachment doesn't fit other grinders??

Hiya Brice, long time no see, where have you been? Nice to see you contributing again.

Alright, I have not used the DCC-AG 125 hood myself. But I do know for a fact all Festool grinders have a standard 43 mm neck and a standard shaped body so I see no reason why it should not fit.

As for proprietary connections, I don't see them so much. In my experience Festool generally follows the standards all other German tool manufacturers use. It is sort of an unwritten rule in the German design and engineering world. Especially the grinder has a standard neck because there are so many different attachments for it.

But you are right to question me, I am wrong so many times. To keep everybody happy I'll pop in a dealer tomorrow and see if I can have a closer look to find out for sure.   [smile]
 

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2019, 01:20 PM »
Hiya Brice, long time no see, where have you been? Nice to see you contributing again.
I've been here, but I've just been lurking.
...But you are right to question me, I am wrong so many times. To keep everybody happy I'll pop in a dealer tomorrow and see if I can have a closer look to find out for sure.   [smile]
 

That would be great. [thumbs up]

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2019, 03:37 PM »
@Alex. I have ordered a Metabo 150 grinder. Do you think the neck is still 43mm on a 150 grinder?

Metabo WPB 18 LTX BL 150 18V 6" Cordless Angle Grinder

Looks like I bought the last one from this supplier.

Offline mrB

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2019, 04:22 PM »
I thought the rotation on that specific Festool grinder was the other way round so that the blade isn’t pulling though you the cut, but rather pushing through like a circular saw. ?
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline mrB

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2019, 06:40 PM »
Realised I’m thinking of a different grinder Festool make. Sorry. A regular angle grinder will rotate fine for this accessory. If it does indeed fit of course. .
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2019, 02:43 AM »
@Alex. I have ordered a Metabo 150 grinder. Do you think the neck is still 43mm on a 150 grinder?

Well, I already made a mistake. 43 mm is the standard for the collar of drills and straight grinders. [huh]

For angle grinders of the size 100, 115, 125 and 150 mm the collar size is 50 mm. That's because it is all the same size tool with just a different size disc & hood attached. From 180 mm discs and up you get a different size machine with a bigger collar.

So yes, I'm not infallable, but if you whip me into place once in a while I'll get you there eventually.  [tongue]

Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2019, 01:53 PM »
@Brice Burrell

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size.   

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.

Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2019, 01:55 PM »
@Cheese

It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.

Thanks for that @Alex ...I then may need to purchase one for some porcelain tile installation.

Be adviced that I initially said 43 mm collar size, it should be 50 mm, sorry for that.

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2019, 04:30 PM »
@Brice Burrell

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size.   

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.
Thanks for taking the time to check into this Alex. [thumbs up]

Offline greg mann

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2019, 05:58 PM »
@Brice Burrell

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size.   

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.



@Alex

It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters. If this is indeed the case I think it will have a negative impact on acceptance of this tool this side of the pond.
 
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2019, 07:08 PM »
@Cheese
Be adviced that I initially said 43 mm collar size, it should be 50 mm, sorry for that.

@Alex , thanks a ton for chasing down this information.  [big grin]  Knowing that the AGC 18 will fit in the DCC AG 125 housing/sled is a big deal for me.  [smile]

Offline xedos

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2019, 07:20 PM »
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It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters. If this is indeed the case I think it will have a negative impact on acceptance of this tool this side of the pond.
 

You're right from a theoretical standpoint. 

However, I doubt Festool thinks they are going to capture much of the "grinder" market.  They'll pitch these as a specialized tool to a niche contractor and the faithful.  Festool will supply all the necessary blades, pads and discs this thing will need just like they do with their sanders and 160mm TS55 saw.

The fact you're somewhat beholden to them for accessories and consumables is what they've set out to accomplish.  Amazon will be happy to deliver you a lot of M14 grinder accessories.  They aren't that difficult to source.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (US Version)
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2019, 07:40 PM »

@Alex

It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters.

Greg the AGC 15 utilizes a 5/8" diameter arbor.   [cool]

https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/festool-575348?sscid=a1k3_it96z&cm_mmc=Affiliate--SaS--2067333-_-985908008&affsource=1&utm_campaign=2067333&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=sas

Offline xedos

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2019, 08:12 PM »
Cheese - I'm just not sure I'd trust that matrix.

No USA owners manual is available online, Festool USA website is mum on the arbor size, ACME doesn't even have one in stock.  The accessories show a keyless nut saying it's 5/8"  yet it's clearly stamped M14.

Could be the artwork wasn't ready yet, but it's more likely that Festool is playing fast and loose with nomenclature.  It'd be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes beside graphics.

Offline greg mann

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2019, 08:59 PM »
I am not personally fretting about 14mm versus 5/8. I have an ras115 already and am aware that festool used to have a pretty neat accessory line for it in Europe. It is possible some of that may be resurrected with the intro of this tool. Also, I find festool’s perishable offerings very satisfactory  from a price perspective as well as comprehensive. Being ‘locked in’ is not an issue for me but a 14mm will probably be bemoaned as nauseum similarly to centrotec.

Remember where you first read that.  [big grin]
Greg Mann
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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2019, 09:37 PM »
I just picked one up. 99.9% sure it's 5/8"-11. I can check tomorrow am if you'd like.

Offline xedos

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2019, 11:11 PM »
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if Festool is producing these in house?

Or, have they partnered with someone as with the vecturo ?

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Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2019, 03:04 AM »
It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters. If this is indeed the case I think it will have a negative impact on acceptance of this tool this side of the pond.

A 14 mm arbor is indeed the standard for grinders here. As for acceptance in the USA, Festool's marketing department will have probably had some good brainstorms about that before launging the tool. But face it, if the USA wants international products, they're sooner or later gonna have to face the fact they can't be the last 5% who use imperial while the other 95% of the world uses metric.

Greg the AGC 15 utilizes a 5/8" diameter arbor.   [cool]

I would not put my trust in a single website. For the shaft of the AGC 18, EKAT gives the exact same part number 10202093 for European models as for the American model, so it is the same part, and you can be very sure the size of the arbor is M14 over here and not 5/8th.

Could be the artwork wasn't ready yet, but it's more likely that Festool is playing fast and loose with nomenclature.  It'd be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes beside graphics.

Yes, it would be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes, but it is a bit negative to say Festool would be playing fast and loose with nomenclature. More likely the author of the website filled in a missing value himself, not knowing there might be a difference.

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2019, 11:38 AM »
@Brice Burrell

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size.   

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.

I just checked my Metabo grinder (with 50mm collar) and it wouldn't mount in a Protool version of the DCC-AG 125.  It wasn't so much the diameter of the collar, but there wasn't enough collar depth, and lack of indexing pins to make a connection to the DCC-AG 125.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2019, 03:15 PM »
Another data point, all Metabo 18v drills have chuck spindles that are threaded 1/2”-20tpi

Offline xedos

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2019, 03:21 PM »
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Quote from: xedos on Yesterday at 08:12 PM

    Could be the artwork wasn't ready yet, but it's more likely that Festool is playing fast and loose with nomenclature.  It'd be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes beside graphics.


Yes, it would be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes, but it is a bit negative to say Festool would be playing fast and loose with nomenclature. More likely the author of the website filled in a missing value himself, not knowing there might be a difference.

Neither a negative or a positive.  I'm referring to how Festool all of a sudden has SAE scale tools now in the USA , yet the adjustments themselves still remain in millimeters. Festool's own USA site that lists the Keyless Flange Nut QRN-AGC 18 as 5/8" and shows the picture of it with M14 clearly marked on it. 

A re-seller that has an error like this on their page for an unreleased tool is understandable. The manufacturer's ???  I'd liken it to the TS55 stating it has a 3/4" arbor on Festool's website when it launched.

Of course , I've got copious amounts of egg on my face if these things really do show up with 5/8"-11 arbors.   I'm pretty sure adapters already exist for converting M14 to  5/8"-11.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2019, 09:46 AM »
I just picked one up. 99.9% sure it's 5/8"-11. I can check tomorrow am if you'd like.

Hey @PeterJJames13 , did you have a chance to check the grinder yesterday? And if it is a 5/8"-11 arbor, does it also have M14 laser engraved on the flange nut?


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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2019, 10:25 AM »
@Cheese nobody seemed to take me up on the offer, but I'll check tonight/tomorrow and report back. I'm pretty sure it's 5/8"-11. Would be weird if they engraved M14 on there lol. I'll find out.

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2019, 10:48 AM »
@Cheese nobody seemed to take me up on the offer, but I'll check tonight/tomorrow and report back. I'm pretty sure it's 5/8"-11. Would be weird if they engraved M14 on there lol. I'll find out.

Thanks Peter...

I'm curious because while the Festool Operators Manual stipulates a M14 spindle, the distributors below offer a different spin and they had to get this information from somewhere.  [smile]

ACME: "Arbor Size (in) 5/8"

Highland Hardware: "It accepts 4-1/2" & 5" cutting and grinding wheels for 5/8" arbor. The wheels mount and change easily with the Keyless Flange Nut."

Toolnut: "Accepts any brand of 4-1/2" diameter discs with standard 5/8" arbor"

Woodcraft: "Spindle thread/flange: 5/8"
« Last Edit: October 24, 2019, 10:50 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2019, 12:14 PM »
@Cheese - I'll check it out tonight/tomorrow am and report back. If the flanges will fit on a DeWalt grinder, we'll know for sure it's a 5/8"-11.....

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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2019, 10:16 PM »
I thought it was 5/8 in North America. I believe you can get the toolless nut to work with any grinder with a 5/8 inch arbor.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2019, 07:15 AM »
"But face it, if the USA wants international products, they're sooner or later gonna have to face the fact they can't be the last 5% who use imperial while the other 95% of the world uses metric."

I wish we had moved away from imperial measurement system decades ago as was promised. I went through grade school being told the metric system is right around the corner, better learn it now so you'll be prepared. Well, it's 50+ years later and it ain't happened yet, maybe my grandson will see it happen but I'm running out of time.  [sad]
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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2019, 08:40 AM »
@Cheese  and everyone else - my apologies for the super blurry pic (it was taken while trying to get three kids ready for school this am), but the nut is marked 5/8"-11. While I agree about everything said of the metric system, I'm glad this particular tool was "Americanized" so consumables are readily available.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2019, 08:43 AM by PeterJJames13 »

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2019, 10:34 AM »
Thanks 🙏🙏 for that @PeterJJames13[thumbs up]  now I can try a couple of different dry cut porcelain blades. Braxton Bragg have a few I want to try.

Festool also offers one 769162.


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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2019, 10:50 AM »
@Cheese that's an interesting looking rim on the diamond blade - not quite like the turbo rims I've seen. My only concern is will it fit the USA versions....

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2019, 01:14 PM »
Face, meet egg.

Peter beat me to the post , but I was in my local dealer this morn and had a go with their display. I just happened to have a 5/8-11 nut from a Dewalt to try out.  The display’s nut didn’t have any labeling on it as I recall.

I’m flabbergasted and impressed the Festool took this route.


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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2019, 01:18 PM »
@xedos I'm glad it's a 5/8"-11. Makes finding wheels much easier and not being locked into a proprietary or hard to find consumable market is what pushed me over the edge to get one. I can take clearer pics. In my morning shuffle and no coffee, I took a blurry pic, but also threw the nut in my jacket pocket so it's with me at work. Now thinking about how easily I did that, I should probably pick up an extra nut for when I will do that again in the future lol.

Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2019, 06:20 PM »
Hello
I am about to buy a festool grinder/cutting system, and the cordless models seem very interesting. After reading this topic, I thought that the AGC18 or the DSC-AGC18 can be mounted on the DCC-AG 125 (769075) to use it with Festools rails. To choose between the AGC and the DSC-AGC I phoned Festool technical service (in France) and got very bad news; according to the technician :
   - neither the AGC18 nor the DSC-AGC18 can be mounted on the DCC-AG125 (while having the same diameter the collar is not compatible).
   - also the AGC18 cannot be mounted on the DCC-AG 125 FH (the hood sold with the DSC-AGC18)
   - and the DSC-AGC18 cannot be used for grinding as the SH-AGC18 (sold with the AGC18) cannot be mounted on it.
So if you want to grind and cut cordless you must buy TWO machines (and even then you cannot use the rail !).

On the other hand, always according to the technician, the corded version (DSC-AG125) is compatible with all the hoods (for grinding, cutting, included with the rail).
 
I do not know what to think anymore. I can hardly believe that Festool create such incompatibilities. But this was confirmed by a Festool technician ... I am really disappointed, and about to buy another brand.

If somebody who owns a AGC18 could confirm which hoods this machine can really be mounted on, many thanks to him.

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2020, 01:05 PM »
Hi Alain, out of interest what did you end up deciding to do?

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2020, 05:01 PM »
I was always under the impression that the difference between the two grinders is just a rotation of the head...

Would be glad to learn more details. :)

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2020, 06:50 PM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

The DCC-AG 125 (769075) is a dust extraction attachment that also allows the grinder to be used on a Festool guide rail.

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/769075---dcc-ag-125

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The AGC 18 series will NOT accept any of the AGC125 series accessories without a modification or a shim.

The AGC/DSC 18 series use a 50mm diameter keyless system for guard/fence/etc. attachment.
The AGC/DSC/DCG 125 series use a 54mm diameter "screw/pressure" attachment system. I guess a new release of the corded versions will migrate to the 50mm keyless system eventually.



I ended up buying all three fences along with the AGC 18 .. as expected them to fit ... only to find out they do not.
The "FH" dusct collection piece for the DSC 18 is a separate item from the DSC 125 FH and is not available as retail, only as a spare part.

I guess Festool figured most people did not buy into the grinder "system" so they dropped the concept with the cordless version.
Come to think of it, Festool inherited the AGC125 line from Protool and probably never really liked the "value" appeal.

The DCG-AG shroud (makes the RG 130 redundant for a non-pro user) was now discontinued too. Good I got it while still was in shops.
With a DIA-HARD disc it is a godsend for the occasional wall job at a masonry/concrete home.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2020, 01:34 PM by mino »
C 12, TSC 55, BHC 18, DRC 18/4, PSC 420, AGC 18 (mod@AGC 125), CTM 36
Narex: EFH 36@LR32, EBV 230 (RS200), EDH 82, EVP 13 H-2CA
My Precious: FS 376/2, FS 376/2, FS 376/2 LR32, FS 632, FS 1016/2 LR32, FS 2500/2, 2x GRS 16 PE, GECKO DOSH

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2020, 01:21 PM »
I'm curious if anyone knows if the new AGC 18 grinder will fit the DCC-AG 125.

The DCC-AG 125 (769075) is a dust extraction attachment that also allows the grinder to be used on a Festool guide rail.

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/769075---dcc-ag-125

(Attachment Link)

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Hello,

I bought the DSC-AGC 18 then I though this DCC-AG 125 (769075) guide was compatible but this is not working

I cannot return it, my fault so I will buy the DSC-AG 125 FH so the dust extraction will be also working for this model
Don't be nervous, stay cool !

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2020, 01:51 AM »
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if Festool is producing these in house?

Or, have they partnered with someone as with the vecturo ?

Sorry for being late to the party.  It’s the same form factor as the newer cordless Fein grinders but with a sliding switch and the head turned and it has the identical encapsulated motor found in those Fein grinders, so, all speculation is Fein by me.

Offline ach_78

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2020, 11:21 AM »
Hi,
I've got the AGC 18-125

Good :
- runs smooth
- tool-less disk attachment
- tool-less guard adjustment
- seems powerful enough although I haven't challenged it's grunt yet
- active brake
- fit and finish as usual (very good)
- did I mention it runs smooth ?

Cons :
- proprietary guard attachment system, any aftermarket accessory/guard with smooth collar won't fit
- body section where you place your hand is ridiculously thick (think Rotex 150 thick), even large hands won't get a good full grip on it. I consider this to be a safety hasard on such a tool that can snap a disc, kickback, etc.
- active brake could/should be stronger and faster to stop the disk
- no dead-man switch, no kickback or fall detection
- cutoff cover attachment not included, Festool's Ripoff-Fu as strong as usual on accessories
- handle needs to be removed for storage in the systainer

Like some other green-button tools, it's a tool that most will buy out of practicality (existing batteries/charger and systainer platform) more than for the actual value of that particular piece.

It's a smooth and fine tool, not arguing about that, but it is by no mean perfect or technically superior than other options on the market that can be acquired for less.

Offline ach_78

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2020, 12:34 PM »
Forgot to post some RPM measurements I made, 5.2Ah 18V fully charged battery + 6mm grinding disk on :

power position : measured RPM
1 : 4530
2 : 5115
3 : 5800
4 : 6380
5 : 7100
6 : 7560

Pretty linear, just level 6 a tad short.

FWIW.

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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #54 on: January 01, 2021, 11:09 AM »
The AGC 18 series will NOT accept any of the AGC125 series accessories without a modification or a shim.

The DCG-AG shroud (makes the RG 130 redundant for a non-pro user) was now discontinued too. Good I got it while still was in shops.

Are you using the DCG-AG dust shroud with your AGC 18? Does it fit?

Also could you perhaps give some more details about the modification or shim that allows you to use the AG 125 accessories with your AGC 18?
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Re: Festool Grinder AGC 18V (US Version)
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2021, 01:45 PM »
Are you using the DCG-AG dust shroud with your AGC 18? Does it fit?

Also could you perhaps give some more details about the modification or shim that allows you to use the AG 125 accessories with your AGC 18?
It does not fit ... without the shim + some grinding here and there.
Making the shim was not too hard with a lathe on hand and a bit of creativity, but without it could be a real pain to get the right shape.
Probably can be simplified though. A cut 2 mm thick aluminum tube may be all needed, skipping the "rib" which registers with the groove on the AGC18 in my version. I use this also with the DCC-AG 125 so wanted as tight and secure fit as possible, so maybe overdid it a bit.  [cool]


AGC-18 + DCG-AG + DIA HARD-D130 PREMIUM Disc installed:
325490-0325492-1325494-2325496-3
325498-4325500-5325502-6325506-7

DCG-AG modification:
325512-8325508-9325510-10325514-11325516-12

Shim (for AGP-125 attachments to fit AGC-18):
325518-13325520-14325522-15325524-16

DIA HARD-D130 PREMIUM Disc - these (and other types) come in a set with two washers and a safety screw - the washer is REQUIRED for using the DCG-AG as else there is not enough clearance.
https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/768017---dia-hard-d130-premium
I believe the "Innen-Ø  25/22,2 mm" line in the description means you will get the washer(s)
(I got two of them actually, one for 25mm + one for 22mm + a shim for mounting the 25mm disc on the 22mm washer):
325504-17325526-18

AGC-18 + DCG-AG + example off-the-shelf sandpaper carrier (works but dust collection is limited):
325528-19325530-20
« Last Edit: January 11, 2021, 07:09 PM by mino »
C 12, TSC 55, BHC 18, DRC 18/4, PSC 420, AGC 18 (mod@AGC 125), CTM 36
Narex: EFH 36@LR32, EBV 230 (RS200), EDH 82, EVP 13 H-2CA
My Precious: FS 376/2, FS 376/2, FS 376/2 LR32, FS 632, FS 1016/2 LR32, FS 2500/2, 2x GRS 16 PE, GECKO DOSH