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Offline bkharman

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Festool Drill Stand
« on: December 05, 2013, 09:38 PM »
Does anyone in the UK have this puppy?  Is it halfway decent?  I am headed back to the UK (Basingstoke, yay) next week for a few days and was thinking of picking up something small but useful.

http://www.festool.com/EN/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=768768&name=Drill-stand-for-carpentry-GD-320

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Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 03:00 AM »
Does anyone in the UK have this puppy?  Is it halfway decent?  I am headed back to the UK (Basingstoke, yay) next week for a few days and was thinking of picking up something small but useful.

Never used one for real, but saw and fondled them when they were still in the store under the Protool name. They're built like a rock, very sturdy. But there's nothing small about them. They are very big. A lot bigger than most of these stands you're used to from other brands. These are meant to drill holes in large construction beams.

Offline jonny round boy

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 03:05 AM »
Does anyone in the UK have this puppy?  Is it halfway decent?  I am headed back to the UK (Basingstoke, yay) next week for a few days and was thinking of picking up something small but useful.

http://www.festool.com/EN/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=768768&name=Drill-stand-for-carpentry-GD-320



I doubt you'll find a Festool dealer who has one of these in stock anywhere in the UK. They could get them, but it would need to be specially ordered beforehand.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 08:48 AM »

I doubt you'll find a Festool dealer who has one of these in stock anywhere in the UK. They could get them, but it would need to be specially ordered beforehand.

I figured as much... I am not sure I have enough time this trip to get ahead of the ordering curve.  Thanks for looking out!

I didn't think that it would be so tall through, guess I should have checked the dimensions.

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Offline GreenGA

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 10:35 AM »
I wonder if something like this is available here in NA...
Never use a 2x4, when a 2x6 will do just as well.

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Offline Svar

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 11:23 AM »
Does anyone in the UK have this puppy?  Is it halfway decent?  I am headed back to the UK (Basingstoke, yay) next week for a few days and was thinking of picking up something small but useful.

http://www.festool.com/EN/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=768768&name=Drill-stand-for-carpentry-GD-320



There is a short video of it when it was still Protool:  http://www.timberwolftools.com/tools/protool/P-GDP.html

And yes, it is available in NA.

Offline GreenGA

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2013, 11:55 AM »
WOW!  I just looked at the pricing on these things. [eek]
Never use a 2x4, when a 2x6 will do just as well.

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Offline bkharman

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2013, 11:59 AM »
WOW!  I just looked at the pricing on these things. [eek]

Totally agree!  I would just spend a bit more towards a DP instead. Looks nice, but about a foot taller than I effectively need.

"Dear Festool, please make a smaller version of this to be used with the CXS and others and price it under a hundred bucks.

Cheers,

Bryan"
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Offline GreenGA

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 12:32 PM »
+1

"Dear Festool, please make a smaller version of this to be used with the CXS and others and price it under a hundred bucks.

Cheers,

Bryan"
Never use a 2x4, when a 2x6 will do just as well.

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Offline Kev

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 04:30 PM »
I'd like the 320A. The 460A is available locally ...

http://www.idealtools.com.au/festool-sanding-discs-stf-d150-16-p50-ru-50-by-festool-14

... maybe [unsure]

Offline land_kel

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 06:48 PM »
Is this one junk?

Google "General Tool 36/37"
Lots of stuff

Offline newinwood

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2013, 07:37 PM »
I have this one - General Tool 36/37 and I think it is a junk. Very clumsy.
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Offline epicxt

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2013, 10:15 PM »
Is this one junk?

Google "General Tool 36/37"
I agree with the junk assessment. I've got one and it's very sloppy. I ended up having more luck drilling angled holes by eyeball than using this.
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Offline Mark Enomoto

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2013, 01:20 AM »
Yeah complete rubbish. I had an old one that was at least cast aluminum but the new ones are plastic. Still think there's a great opportunity for Festool to make a crill press accurate guide for their line of tools...

Offline RL

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2013, 05:42 AM »
Is this one junk?

Google "General Tool 36/37"
I agree with the junk assessment. I've got one and it's very sloppy. I ended up having more luck drilling angled holes by eyeball than using this.

+1. Garbage or worse. Pay the shipping and you can have mine for free. The five years of dust it comes with are free as well.

Offline MahalaHomecraft

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2013, 11:41 AM »
So does anybody know of a halfway decent one that's somewhat affordable?  I have a "portable shop" with no room for a drill press so something like this would be ideal for me, but I'll never spend that much.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2013, 12:30 PM »
So does anybody know of a halfway decent one that's somewhat affordable?  I have a "portable shop" with no room for a drill press so something like this would be ideal for me, but I'll never spend that much.

This one from Garrett Wade looked promising.  I tried to do a little more research on it, but didn't find much.  Anyone have one?  or can speak to it?

http://www.garrettwade.com/portable-drill-guide-jig/p/91G01.05/

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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2013, 12:58 PM »

This one from Garrett Wade looked promising.  I tried to do a little more research on it, but didn't find much.  Anyone have one?  or can speak to it?

http://www.garrettwade.com/portable-drill-guide-jig/p/91G01.05/


This is essentially the same as the General Tool 36/37 maybe a bit better but same mechanisim. I don't have the Garrettwade version but have the General version and it does what it's supposed to do. Yes there is a little play in the shafts and it's not fun to use.  I changed the chuck and attach a base to it to keep it steady as the stock base doesn't offer much support.
You might want to take a look at the Wolfcraft/Rockler version which has some nicer features.
If you want more accuracy you really need to spend more money on a bench top or floor press or a Wabeco or Duss stand like Guido Henn uses.
Tim

Offline epicxt

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2013, 05:16 PM »
So does anybody know of a halfway decent one that's somewhat affordable?  I have a "portable shop" with no room for a drill press so something like this would be ideal for me, but I'll never spend that much.
I'm in the same position as you. Living aboard a sailboat pretty much means all the work I do is on-site and storage unit space is shared with tools and toys (11-12 bicycles and a lot of climbing and skiing gear).
The only thing I've found that meets the Festool-quality standard that's available in NA is Mafell's drill stand. Unfortunately, the price is more than I can swallow until I absolutely need it.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2013, 05:26 PM »
I'm in the same position as you. Living aboard a sailboat pretty much means all the work I do is on-site and storage unit space is shared with tools and toys (11-12 bicycles and a lot of climbing and skiing gear).
The only thing I've found that meets the Festool-quality standard that's available in NA is Mafell's drill stand. Unfortunately, the price is more than I can swallow until I absolutely need it.

So I think there might be some room for one of our lovely 3rd party engineer folks here.  Just this week, I bought the Precision Parallel Guides from Precision Dogs and I have to tell you, the setup is very nice, inexpensive and well made.  I am going to do some stuff with it this weekend and write it up.  Perhaps other vendors on this site could take note on this drill stand thread.  One of them may just have the know how on building one.  It is a few simple parts really.

I am by no means affiliated with any of the vendors.  I have bought quality stuff from Qwas, Precision Dogs, ParfDogs, RTS and others.  I find the time and quality put into these products is very nice and if one of them wants to take a stab, I am sure the market could accommodate.  for now, I will use my "drill blocks" to get 90 deg holes.
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Offline MahalaHomecraft

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2013, 09:16 PM »
this one actually looks pretty nice.  It holds the drill instead of chucking on, so you don't have that extra shaky chuck in between.  Seems like a good middle ground for about $75.

http://www.amazon.com/Wolfcraft-4522-Mobil-Drill-Stand/dp/B0001P19PO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386900876&sr=8-1&keywords=tecmobil
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Offline NYC Tiny Shop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2013, 09:25 PM »
Rockler's drill guide looks identcal for $52.99. Reviews are so-so.

http://www.rockler.com/portable-drill-guide

Offline MahalaHomecraft

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2013, 09:32 PM »
no that one's different… the rocker one chucks onto the drill so you have 2 chucks between the drill and the bit.  The wolf craft one i linked to hold the drill itself
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Offline MahalaHomecraft

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2013, 09:45 PM »
just checked some amazon reviews and debunked my own theory.  This one is just a different kind of crappy.
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Offline es07Eric

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2013, 10:57 AM »
+1 on the "GARBAGE"  It's horrible in any position other than 90, and even drilling at 90 it's got a bit of slop.  

I had hopes of using it to drill out a 3/4 gridded bench top for clamping and just gave up after all of the randomness!

Cheers,
Eric

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Offline bkharman

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2013, 11:03 AM »
but your pics... they make it look like a thing of beauty!!

maybe I should change the title of the thread to "Beauty of the beast"   [wink]
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Offline es07Eric

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2013, 11:18 AM »
but your pics... they make it look like a thing of beauty!!

maybe I should change the title of the thread to "Beauty of the beast"   [wink]

Thanks bkharman!  I wish it performed as well as it photographed! 

As someone else has done, I too added a base to add stability and additional clamping surface.  I also added a drill stop to match the one that it is supplied with (not pictured); it helps maintain it's course as it hits the stop and prevents further deviation.  I found that it helped substantially for drilling perpendicular tasks.
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2013, 11:26 AM »
I had hopes of using it to drill out a 3/4 gridded bench top for clamping and just gave up after all of the randomness!

Ya that's way beyond the uses of this jig. Better to use your router for that "chore".
Those photo's do make that jig look pretty sexy though. [wink]

Tim

Offline Jalvis

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2013, 12:15 PM »
Mafell makes drill stands.  Most commonly used for timber framers.  Put your seat belts on…..its pricey. 

http://www.timberwolftools.com/tools/mafell/MAF-BST.html

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2013, 11:59 AM »
Mafell makes drill stands.  Most commonly used for timber framers.  Put your seat belts on…..its pricey. 

I really like those. I will have to take a closer look at them.
Jarvis, are you using one now?
Tim

Offline fp1337

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2013, 02:54 PM »
I have this one: http://www.amazon.com/Wolfcraft-4525404-Attachment-4-Inch-8-Inch/dp/B000JCIMEA/ref=pd_cp_hi_0

Not the best, but better than most others in this technology. I have yet to find something better to drill 3/4 inch forstner holes straight in the middle of a large piece of wood (does not fit drill press). I can even enlarge an existing forstner hole which is not possible with just a drill. But I'm still interested in more accurate means.

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Offline unclefester

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2014, 02:43 PM »
+1 on the "GARBAGE"  It's horrible in any position other than 90, and even drilling at 90 it's got a bit of slop.  

I had hopes of using it to drill out a 3/4 gridded bench top for clamping and just gave up after all of the randomness!

Cheers,
Eric

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Your photos are great.  Makes me want to get the drill press and I don't even want one or would ever use it [laughing]

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Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2017, 09:41 AM »
Hi,
I'm new to the forum and just converting my shop to Festool.  I've been woodworking for many years using
a variety of tools added over the years.  I will be posting a shop tour and documenting my Festool "tooling up." 
But for now I wanted to offer an idea on this thread of a drill stand.
I own a Swiss Rex vise system (heavy duty version of the old Zyliss vise, which I also own).  It may work for
the Festool drills, though I can't test since I don't own one (yet!).  If its the standard metric collar size at the
drill's working end, it should work.
Watch the video for an idea of how it functions.  The drill stuff is later in the video, but you may like the vise
anyway!  I have a drill which I clamp in mine as an abrasive tool.


Cheers,
Mike
BTW, how do you format these posts (I'm a rookie poster) on a Mac? 
My lines just keep running out to the right!

Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2017, 01:21 PM »
Here's a pic of the setup.



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Offline Holmz

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2017, 03:27 PM »
@mhmcgrath is that 43-mm diameter holed thing that is attached to the Zyliss vice something that comes with the newer Zyliss vices?
or
Was it something that was made and attached to the vice?



I just figured out the the US spelling is 'vise' and the rest of the world is 'vice'.

Offline mike_aa

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2017, 05:58 PM »
@mhmcgrath is that 43-mm diameter holed thing that is attached to the Zyliss vice something that comes with the newer Zyliss vices?
or
Was it something that was made and attached to the vice?



I just figured out the the US spelling is 'vise' and the rest of the world is 'vice'.

@Holmz  when I see the word "vice" is what comes to mind!   [eek]

Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2017, 08:56 PM »
@mhmcgrath is that 43-mm diameter holed thing that is attached to the Zyliss vice something that comes with the newer Zyliss vices?
or
Was it something that was made and attached to the vice?



I just figured out the the US spelling is 'vise' and the rest of the world is 'vice'.
It is integral to both the SwissRex (in my photo) and to the "modern" Zyliss vises - in the latter it is a separate, but rail compatible, fitting that comes with the vise. (several makes nowadays).  You can always check Ebay where these types of vises are up for sale.  They are in varying states of repair and completeness - I have purchased two over the years there that were BARGAINS.

Offline Z48LT1

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2017, 11:41 PM »
I need one of those SwissRex systems but Google is failing me.  Anyone know where I can get one in NA?

Best,

Gary

Offline Holmz

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2017, 06:17 AM »
@mike_aa I think of a CZ70, or a Sphinx, when I think of Miami Vice.

Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2017, 06:27 AM »
I need one of those SwissRex systems but Google is failing me.  Anyone know where I can get one in NA?

Best,

Gary
I can recommend Advanced Machinery, right here in little old Delaware!  https://advanced-machinery.myshopify.com/. Small company, specialized European made equipment, good to work with.  This is where I purchased my SwissRex.


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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2017, 03:13 PM »
I've been seriously considering getting a drill press but don't have a shop as yet, so if I could find a drill stand that at least sturdy enough It might be better for my mobile shop situation and work out fine for most of my uses; metal work, making precise jigs, Model making spindle sander etc.

I found this  at Dieter Schnid - Fine tools https://www.fine-tools.com/bohrstaender.html the last offering on the page  a DUSS Precision Drill Stand KB 43 solid as a rock and you can rotate the head so you can use it to drill in the middle of a piece, I had thought of making an offset bench so you could drill through to 240mm by flipping the stock around normally it comes with 120mm depth of travel which for most uses would be fine. Putting a heavy duty Festool drill in it would be great if you have a lot of centrotec bits.. Unfortunately the collar is 43mm so it wouldn't fit the beefier Festool drill  DR 20 FF https://www.toolstime.de/Festool-Bohrmaschine-DR-20-E-FF-Set-768933 just the smaller Quadrill https://www.toolstime.de/Festool-Bohrmaschinen-QUADRILL-DR-18-4-E-FFP-Set, which is no slouch and would be compatible with the PDC quick fix chucks I already own..
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Offline charley1968

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2017, 01:34 AM »
I'm on the fence for the Mafell BST 460 S. Haven't found much video footage so if anyone knows alink, feel free..
What i like about it is the ability to drill at a repeatable angle, i  can see some creative uses for that.
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Offline neeleman

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2017, 05:28 AM »
Here's a video of the BST 320 which is similar to the 460 model.

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Offline charley1968

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2017, 01:28 PM »
Thank,@neeleman, that's about the only vid i found on google. Though, i believe it's the 46cm or 65 cm version; cuz afaik there's no 32cm version where one can rotate the pillar.
Just for today..

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2018, 09:21 PM »
I just stumbled on the following Made in Germany and very reasonably priced line of drill stands:

https://www.wabeco-remscheid.de/catalog/category/view/s/drill-stands-and-accessories/id/104/

And now commences the oft repeated search for a retailer (maybe the manufacturer?) that is willing to send one across the pond....

Oh, but before I begin the search: all of the drill stands I've found that are marketed on the Atlantic's right coast are designed for drills that have a "43mm neck size". I'm away from my tools at the moment so I can't verify what "neck size" my ~decade-old US-made 1/2" Milwaukee drill has. But, if I had to guess, I'd wager it's not 43mm. I only assume this based on our tendency in the U.S.A. to not adopt standards that the rest of the world uses. Anyways, does anyone know how the neck sizes of our drills compare to the 43mm standard? IOW, are our drills compatible with Euro-drill stands? [EDIT: 12/08/2019 - Turns out that my ~20 year-old Milwaukee 1/2" drill, model #0302-20, does in fact have a 43mm Euro-neck!]

The only English-language video review I can find:



Edit: FWIW there are several eBay sellers that are specifying shipping to the U.S.A. for a selection of these drill stands. That makes it easy.
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2018, 11:57 AM »
I'm away from my tools at the moment so I can't verify what "neck size" my ~decade-old US-made 1/2" Milwaukee drill has. But, if I had to guess, I'd wager it's not 43mm.

I believe it's 46mm because I was also looking at using the Wabeco stand with a 1/2" Milwaukee for simple outdoor projects when you're away from the drill press.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2018, 03:01 PM »
I'm away from my tools at the moment so I can't verify what "neck size" my ~decade-old US-made 1/2" Milwaukee drill has. But, if I had to guess, I'd wager it's not 43mm.

I believe it's 46mm because I was also looking at using the Wabeco stand with a 1/2" Milwaukee for simple outdoor projects when you're away from the drill press.

OK, thanks so much for the info!

And, although you correctly assumed that my drill has a "neck" (I've noticed that many drills nowadays - at least those that don't have an allowance for the installation of a right angle stabilizing handle - go directly from motor housing to the spinning end of the drill, so no "neck" to speak of) I should have stated that my drill features a splined neck that is designed to accept the right-angle stabilizing handle that it originally came with. This uniform "neck" gives me some hope that I can make my corded drill work with a euro-drill stand. Now to contact Wabeco to see if they can assist in devising a workaround to my drill's non-standard neck diameter/design.

I should note that I don't have a shop (only a storage room) which is the primary reason behind my moving in the direction of a drill stand. I don't want (nor do I want or have the dedicated space for) a drill press. Plus, I'm addicted in all areas of my life to tools/devices/spaces/stuff that have multiple uses/functions - like a telephone that is also still camera, video camera, audio recorder, computer, etc., or a TS 75 which is a track saw but also the business-end of my CMS table saw (w/sliding table), the latter of which is also my router table, soon-to-be sanding table and soon-to-be jigsaw table, etc. For my various uses (and owing to the self-imposed limitations demanded by my oath to voluntary simplicity), my mantra is, "Why own a dedicated tool when I can own one that can accomplish multiple functions?" Therefore, a high quality drill stand (which I can also perhaps adapt to my Fein Mulitmaster, which, as its name implies, is also adept at accomplishing numerous tasks) is right up my alley. ;)       
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2018, 03:28 PM »
I just discovered that what I assumed comprised the Fein "drill stand" is actually just an adapter designed to fit "popular" drill stands thus allowing the Fein MM (or, for that matter, the Vecturo) to work in conjunction with what are otherwise "standard" Euro-drill stands. This dovetails nicely with the recent discussion that appears elsewhere on this forum about the compatibility between the Vecturo and the Fein-branded drill stand adapter (and other Fein-branded accessories):

 http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/fein-table-top-and-drill-jigs-support-with-vecturo/msg533533/#msg533533

Should be an easy matter procuring the adapter to allow the Vecturo (or, in my case, the Fein MM) to be used in conjunction with any "standard" drill stand - like those produced by Wabeco - should I encounter the need.

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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2018, 05:37 PM »
Just resurrecting this post to add that the manufacturer of the Festool version is in fact Famag. Check out the relevant pages of Famag's most recent catalog for more:

https://www.famag.com/FileContent/Catalogues/FAMAG_Katalog_BORMAX%202.0_GB.pdf#page=40
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2018, 06:07 PM »
@TinyShop “Festool version” of what?
Does Famag make a drill stand?
No mention of such in the index of that catalog.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2018, 07:01 PM »
Also, just stumbled upon another option, this time from Japan. Behold, the very reasonably priced Kanzawa K-801-4, angle-adjustable portable drill stand:









Kanzawa makes other fixed (i.e. "90-degree") stands as well. Here's the relevant page on their website:

http://www.kanzawa.co.jp/products/attachment01.html#01

As of this writing there are numerous eBay sellers offering these stands to the N.A. public. (examples)

Obviously, a major advantage of the Kanzawa offerings (at least to those of us located in N.A.) - owing to the integrated/onboard Jacobs chuck - is the lack of a need for a drill that features a 43mm collet (the "Euro-standard"). Additionally, both the angle-adjustable version (which should fold into a flat package with the quick-release cam-locks or guide-rods themselves removed) and the fixed 90-degree versions (all of which which are easily disassembled) are ideal for storage/transport. Maybe they would fit nicely into a systainer?

Here's a fixed-angle K-801 in action (showing, among other things, its use as an oversized depth stop):



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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2018, 07:11 PM »
@TinyShop “Festool version” of what?
Does Famag make a drill stand?
No mention of such in the index of that catalog.

My post assumed folks were aware of the Festool product that forms the entire basis for the OP. My apologies for any confusion. So, to clarify, Famag manufactures the Festool GD-320 Drill Stand (768768).

Regarding your other question, I already linked to the relevant page in the catalog (Pages 38-39). But, if you're looking solely at the Table of Contents, then you'll want to refer to "Drill Rig for Auger Bits".   
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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2018, 08:31 PM »
Two things on the original question: the Mafell one is the way to go. 
On either, you need to use really long (aka really expensive) augers. 
These are timberframing tools, and not really practical for woodworking/cabinetry/finish carpentry.






For the follow up comments, the smaller/cheaper designs (like the Wolfcraft) are generally very very very bad.   There are some higher quality products in Europe, but those are more of a makeshift drill press than something that you bring to the work.

The Kanazawa one is new too me, however.  I want to check this out.   It borrows the main themes of the cheapies, but it may possibly be legit where the concept of "actual functional tool" is concerned.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2018, 08:35 PM »
Thanks for the extra links.
When I went to the Famag catalog it just started with the first page.

I was somewhat familiar with the thread but since it had moved beyound the Famag/Protool/Festool drill guide a long time ago I wasn’t sure of the subject of your addition.

The Kanzawa looks pretty robust. Much better than the General I have and haven’t used in decades.

Online Cheese

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2018, 08:56 PM »
UJK from the UK also offers a drill stand that’s machined from aluminum billet, it’s constructed nicely.  TSO Products is the distributor in the US.

https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

Offline yetihunter

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2018, 09:07 PM »
UJK from the UK also offers a drill stand that’s machined from aluminum billet, it’s constructed nicely.  TSO Products is the distributor in the US.

https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

Oh dang, I forgot about seeing that one.  It works with Centrotec and ball detent chucks as a bonus prize!

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2018, 10:07 PM »
UJK from the UK also offers a drill stand that’s machined from aluminum billet, it’s constructed nicely.  TSO Products is the distributor in the US.

https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

We have a winner! :) I just signed up to receive an alert when they become available. [Edit: 12/08/2019 - Thanks to another member's recent find, we now know that the latest version of the UJK drill stand is produced in Taiwan by Fortune Extendables Corp.]

Given it's esteemed provenance, I'm really surprised the forthcoming UJK model has no allowance for dust collection. Maybe the fine people at @TSO Products can nudge the UJK / @AxminsterTools folks in that direction? I'm envisioning a removable clear hood similar to the version that comes with the OF1400 (or equivalent). Even the poorly reviewed sweatshop-made Wolfcraft TecMobil drill stand comes with one:



Anyways, thanks for the heads up! :)

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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2018, 10:47 PM »
I just saw that they took it off of the market (shortly after the first run).
Hopefully they still plan to relaunch.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2018, 01:33 AM »
I just saw that they took it off of the market (shortly after the first run).
Hopefully they still plan to relaunch.

Noooooooooo!
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2018, 07:59 AM »
YES, AXMINSTER is bringing the Drill Jig back in a refined version. As soon as we have an availability date we will notify everyone via our TSO INSIDER newsletter and all who signed up for notification on our product page.
here's the link for the sign up:
https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2018, 11:55 AM »
I’ve been waiting for this too…

Regarding the delay, my understanding is that UJK (or Axminster - not entirely sure on how they are connected) was not satisfied with the quality of one component - the shaft I think it was (presumably that’s the bit with the Centrotec compatible hex).

For me, a plain hex drive would work just as well - if you are using a Festool drill (or other with interchangeable chucks) it’s just as easy to leave the Jacobs chuck attached to the stand and remove the drill (between drillings if necessary) than to disconnect via the chuck.

The ability to attach a Centrotec chuck to the bottom might be more useful; although the bit would need to engage in a hex hole in the shaft - and that might make it too much a Festool-focused product.

Does anyone have experience of this (more economical) version?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dakota-Precision-Drill-Guide/dp/B01F758N0G
a little similar to the Japanese item mentioned previously - though made largely, I believe, from injection-moulded plastics and with a smaller, 3/8” chuck. (And it’s cheaper than Amazon when bought direct from Rutlands’ own site - thought it might be worth a go.)

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2018, 12:03 PM »
YES, AXMINSTER is bringing the Drill Jig back in a refined version. As soon as we have an availability date we will notify everyone via our TSO INSIDER newsletter and all who signed up for notification on our product page.
here's the link for the sign up:
https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

Hans

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2018, 01:33 PM »
Hi all,

First post here. Just thought I should post that I've had the Kanzawa drill guide from Japan for a couple of years (just the regular one, not the one with the adjustable angle).  In terms of the materials used, it's well constructed and better than some of the inexpensive ones I have seen. The chuck seems to be good quality.  However, I've always been a little disappointed with the small amount of play between the guide rods and the slider.

This was my first drill guide so maybe my expectations were unrealistic to imagine that I could centre the bit above a marked point, clamp the drill stand, raise the drill then lower it and hit exactly that same point? There's a good few mm of play. It's still been useful in helping my alignment and I was able to improve things somewhat by using a strip of tape on each guide rod.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the UJK one - it seems they have added some grub screws to allow the user to take out the play - if there is any.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 01:37 PM by JamesUK »

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2018, 03:54 PM »
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the UJK one - it seems they have added some grub screws to allow the user to take out the play - if there is any.

Yup, 1 on the front of the yoke and 2 on each side of the yoke for each rod. They’re 5mm.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2018, 04:03 PM »
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the UJK one - it seems they have added some grub screws to allow the user to take out the play - if there is any.
Yup, 1 on the front of the yoke and 2 on each side of the yoke for each rod. They’re 5mm.
Not a good way to take out play. Grab screws will plow groves in the rods. Better use setup similar to split collar clamp. Or use brass grab screws.

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« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2018, 04:20 PM »
Not a good way to take out play. Grab screws will plow groves in the rods. Better use setup similar to split collar clamp. Or use brass grab screws.

The grub screws are actually nylon with steel lock nuts. Here’s a photo.

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« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 09:47 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2018, 04:35 PM »
Not a good way to take out play. Grab screws will plow groves in the rods. Better use setup similar to split collar clamp. Or use brass grab screws.
The grub screws are actually nylon with steel lock nuts. Here’s a photo.
OK, that will work. Are those original from UJK model stand?

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« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2018, 04:49 PM »
OK, that will work. Are those original from UJK model stand?

Yes they are Svar.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2018, 07:32 PM »
YES, AXMINSTER is bringing the Drill Jig back in a refined version. As soon as we have an availability date we will notify everyone via our TSO INSIDER newsletter and all who signed up for notification on our product page.
here's the link for the sign up:
https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

Hans

hopefully the refined version will include a flat base,mine was not flat and rocked like a boat(sent it back),i recommend checking before putting these on sale.would really have liked to seen a quick on/off chuck preferably centrotec,perhaps there is an opportunity to manufacture a suitable accessory @TSO_Products

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« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2018, 09:53 PM »
@Euclid -  REPLY # 60:  Axminster Tool & Machinery is a company based in Axminster UK (where else) with considerable coverage via a string of well regarded brick-and-mortar stores throughout England. They sell a number of internationally known tool  brands as dealers, including TSO Products. Axminster earns kudos for excellent service from their international customers.
Axminster has also developed a growing line of its own products under its UJK Technology brand including  Peter Parfitt’s Parf Guide System, Super Parf Dog, Chamfer Tool, Long Super Parf Dog and those nifty Dog Rail Clips. All stocked in depth at TSO Products here in the USA.
@TinyShop – REPLY # 61: you and a host of other FOG readers have jumped on the UJK Drill Guide availability notification link we posted on this thread REPPLY # 59. We’re letting AXMINSTER know of the interest and the comments on this post.
@skinee – REPLY # 68: your comment about a “flat Base” is noted and will also be passed along to the UJK product  development team at AXMINSTER. We expect to see a refined product. From experience we know that always takes longer than one wishes.
All: we thank you for your continuing interest in this product and your patience while waiting for it.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2018, 04:35 AM »
YES, AXMINSTER is bringing the Drill Jig back in a refined version. As soon as we have an availability date we will notify everyone via our TSO INSIDER newsletter and all who signed up for notification on our product page.
here's the link for the sign up:
https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/
Add a dust hose holder (so this gets reasonable extraction without being in the way) and I might be interested.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 04:38 AM by Gregor »

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2018, 06:34 AM »
Does anyone have experience of this (more economical) version?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dakota-Precision-Drill-Guide/dp/B01F758N0G
a little similar to the Japanese item mentioned previously - though made largely, I believe, from injection-moulded plastics and with a smaller, 3/8” chuck.

If I may be excused responding to my own post…

I hadn’t realised that the item I was asking about there was - by all appearances - the same as the Garret Wade item referred to and pictured further back in this thread.

I’ve now got one and… well, for the relatively little money it cost it is quite nicely made and well finished, but there is a disconcerting amount of slop between the ‘chuck carriage’ and the rails. The tolerances are not super-fine, but much of this seems to be down to the lack of rigidity in the rails themselves or their mountings.

The situation could be improved a lot by a brace at the top of the rails, This could be a horseshoe shaped brace (to clear the body of the drill), similar in concept to those used on the suspension forks of mountain bikes. I might have a look at making something like that (and make a larger-area base too as others have mentioned - a small sheet of aluminium or acrylic might do the trick).

Still awaiting the UJK device with interest though…

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2018, 06:13 PM »
Reviews in English for the Wabeco drill stands are difficult to find. However, I just stumbled upon this one:



Here are the links to the English translations of the related blog posts that appear in the show notes:

The decision process that lead to choosing a drill stand (in place of a dedicated drill press) and building the DIY table: https://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://holzhandwerk.andreas-kalt.de/bohrtisch-wabeco-bohrstaender/&sl=auto&tl=en

User improvements to the Wabeco stand: https://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://holzhandwerk.andreas-kalt.de/verbesserungen-am-wabeco-bohrstaender/&sl=auto&tl=en

Links to the originals in German: here & here

And, finally, a photo depiction of what I see as the major advantage of a drill stand over a stationary drill press (in a Sortainer but I trust that you get the idea):





 
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2019, 02:06 AM »
@Euclid -  REPLY # 60:  Axminster Tool & Machinery is a company based in Axminster UK (where else) with considerable coverage via a string of well regarded brick-and-mortar stores throughout England. They sell a number of internationally known tool  brands as dealers, including TSO Products. Axminster earns kudos for excellent service from their international customers.
Axminster has also developed a growing line of its own products under its UJK Technology brand including  Peter Parfitt’s Parf Guide System, Super Parf Dog, Chamfer Tool, Long Super Parf Dog and those nifty Dog Rail Clips. All stocked in depth at TSO Products here in the USA.
@TinyShop – REPLY # 61: you and a host of other FOG readers have jumped on the UJK Drill Guide availability notification link we posted on this thread REPPLY # 59. We’re letting AXMINSTER know of the interest and the comments on this post.
@skinee – REPLY # 68: your comment about a “flat Base” is noted and will also be passed along to the UJK product  development team at AXMINSTER. We expect to see a refined product. From experience we know that always takes longer than one wishes.
All: we thank you for your continuing interest in this product and your patience while waiting for it.

Hans

Any feedback on the availibility of this?

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2019, 04:58 AM »

And, finally, a photo depiction of what I see as the major advantage of a drill stand over a stationary drill press (in a Sortainer but I trust that you get the idea):
The Wabeco B1230 that TinyShop included is (was) mine.  I bought the B1230 after spending hundreds of dollars and Euros trying to find a portable drill stand that was durable, accurate, and could be easily transported.  At the time, I installed special locks in doors and containers on military facilities and needed a drill press for some of the custom brackets I had to make during the installation. 

The B1230 was the only portable stand that worked for me, and it quickly replaced an inexpensive, but heavy, table-top drill press I carried.  Since I always had a corded drill with the 43mm collar, the B1230 was the perfect solution.  Unlike the other stands I tried, the B1230 didn't wobble during drilling and the rack and pinion movement was smooth with no noticeable gear lash.

I cut about 30mm from the end of the shaft so it would fit diagonally in the Sortimo L-Boxx.  The rest of the pieces fit well and the final Sortimo case was much easier to carry than the small drill press.  If I was going to make another portable drill stand kit, I would use the B1230, but would buy the Kaizen inserts for the L-Boxx from Brian Way and not bother with the Sotimo inserts.

I used a switched power strip to control power to the drill and a Bessey clamp to hold the trigger on the drill at the correct speed.  I also bought the optional tap handle and fixture for accurate taping of the holes after I drilled the brackets or mounting plates.

Here are more pictures of the B1230:







I didn't take any pictures with the drill installed, but any drill with a 43mm accessory collar will fit this stand.




This shows the optional tap handle.  The tap shaft slides easily in the aluminum bushing and makes it easy to tap the steel or aluminum plates I used.

« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 07:44 AM by MikeGE »

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2019, 06:06 AM »
"Any feedback on the availibility of this?"

I am also interested in the status of the UJK drill guide.

And I agree that a dust collection option would be good to add to the basic kit.

Dust collection is almost a requirement in many situations now-a-days, not an
afterthought, so to me dust collection should not be an accessory but something
that is included with the basic tool.
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« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2019, 12:45 PM »
I used a switched power strip to control power to the drill and a Bessey clamp to hold the trigger on the drill at the correct speed. 
Get Metabo SBE1010 drill (now discontinued) or equivalent (Metabo SBE 1100, Bosch GSB 21-2 RCT). It has speed control dial, trigger lock and constant speed electronics. It will maintain steady speed under load anywhere between about 50 and 2600 rpm. I have it in Proxxon BFB2000 drill/mill stand, and it's awesome.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 05:04 PM by Svar »

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« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2019, 04:06 PM »
Makita HP2050 also has the speed control dial on the trigger and can subsequently be locked, and isn’t yet discontinued. However, I wrote Makita USA to ask the diameter of the collar (I mentioned I needed 43mm) and they replied that it is 1-3/4”. Asked if they could measure with a metric caliper and they said they don’t have one.

The Bosch seems to be only 240v?

I’ve been using a Metabo that doesn’t have a speed control dial and it’s too awkward. Considering the Makita or just using an external router speed control.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 04:18 PM by Michael Kellough »

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2019, 04:39 PM »
Makita HP2050 also has the speed control dial on the trigger and can subsequently be locked, and isn’t yet discontinued. However, I wrote Makita USA to ask the diameter of the collar (I mentioned I needed 43mm) and they replied that it is 1-3/4”. Asked if they could measure with a metric caliper and they said they don’t have one.

The Bosch seems to be only 240v?

I’ve been using a Metabo that doesn’t have a speed control dial and it’s too awkward. Considering the Makita or just using an external router speed control.

The Bosch HD21-2 looks to be more or less equivalent to the GSB 21-2 RCT for the U.S. market
HD21-2

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2019, 04:49 PM »
Makita HP2050 also has the speed control dial on the trigger
But it's not EVS.
Considering the Makita or just using an external router speed control.
External speed control does not maintain it under load. There is no feedback to the controller. So, less than ideal solution.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 04:59 PM by Svar »

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2019, 04:53 PM »
The Bosch HD21-2 looks to be more or less equivalent to the GSB 21-2 RCT for the U.S. market
But no speed dial and EVS.

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« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2019, 05:18 PM »
Makita HP2050 also has the speed control dial on the trigger
But it's not EVS.
Considering the Makita or just using an external router speed control.
External speed control does not maintain it under load. There is no feedback to the controller. So, less than ideal solution.

Good point!  I was working on a commercial operating a small turntable rig with a cordless drill. Worked fine until the battery died. Switched to a heavy duty Milwaukee 1/2” drill and the rpms varied wildly even though it was only a small constant load.

I think my old Metabo drill has evs. Guess I’ll have to make a screw adjustable collar rig for the trigger.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2019, 10:31 AM »
Metabo BEV 1300-2 has two geared speed ranges, a thumb controlled speed pre-selection wheel, and a trigger lock without the un-needed hammer drill function @115v. Seems to be the last of it’s kind available in NA.

The drill at Max Tool

The neck is 43mm to match most all good drill stands although at Metabo’s US web site they say the neck is 1-11/16” while the accessory drill stand they suggest on the same page has a 43mm collar.

« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 10:35 AM by Michael Kellough »

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« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2019, 04:01 PM »
Finally received my WABECO drill stand today for my Metabo drill. I got it set up, installed the tri-handle controls for the two axes and adjusted everything in about 30 minutes. I believe this is the stand I’ve been looking for! I’m selling my old drill press and this WABECO will do everything I need to do - both in the shop and on the job site. Shipping from Germany was expensive and slow but the packaging was perfect - no damage. 234 euros with shipping.


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« Reply #84 on: August 06, 2019, 12:10 PM »
Finally received my WABECO drill stand today for my Metabo drill.

Shipping from Germany was expensive and slow but the packaging was perfect - no damage. 234 euros with shipping.

Nice stuff... [smile]...pretty sweet for outside projects where you're just looking for some vertical holes. Pricing seems pretty reasonable considering it probably weighs at least 30#.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2019, 06:24 PM »
Finally received my WABECO drill stand today for my Metabo drill.

Shipping from Germany was expensive and slow but the packaging was perfect - no damage. 234 euros with shipping.

Nice stuff... [smile]...pretty sweet for outside projects where you're just looking for some vertical holes. Pricing seems pretty reasonable considering it probably weighs at least 30#.
At least 30#! With the Z-axis control can do some deep drilling outboard of the stand - haven’t tested but probably upwards of 400mm - looking to drill 6x6s! Been playing with it in the shop and it is very accurate. Also, horizontal boring is feasible - which may come in handy.


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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2019, 06:02 PM »
Never used one for real, but saw and fondled them when they were still in the store under the Protool name. They're built like a rock, very sturdy. But there's nothing small about them. They are very big. A lot bigger than most of these stands you're used to from other brands. These are meant to drill holes in large construction beams.

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« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2019, 08:23 AM »
For me replaced a 200# drill press that was overkill for carpentry and woodwork and was anything but portable! Will fill the bill with accuracy, portability, and power. Plus, Metabo drill is on its own many times - versatility.

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« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2019, 09:13 AM »
I'm still waiting for Bridge City Tools to come out with the DJ-2 system again.  They were bought by Harvey tools and they are slowly bringing out most of the original line of tools.  Not a drill press, but lightweight and will fit in a systainer.  That should handle most of my drilling needs.  It's the tool I wish I had and I should have bought years ago but balked at the price.  Now I think the price is OK, for what it does.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2019, 01:40 PM »
Looks like the UJK stand is finally back (well, sort of - not in stock at Axminster yet):

https://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-drill-guide-with-10mm-chuck-106072

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #91 on: December 08, 2019, 03:13 PM »
I've stumbled upon a stand that looks similar to UJK's:
https://www.sautershop.com/drill-stand-pivotable-with-drill-chuck-fo-scd3
https://korean.alibaba.com/product-detail/Drill-Stand-with-Guide-for-Hand-60543980874.html

That's a bummer - I had hoped that the latest UJK version was being produced in-house in Axminster (or wherever the U.K.-made UJK items are being produced). That changes my perception of the UJK version.

Since you've pointed out that the UJK version is a Taiwanese product this fact likely explains the long hiatus between Version 1 and Version 2 - they were relying on a third party half a world away to produce the product (with all the attendant problems this kind of reliance often creates).

It bears pointing out that the current UJK version has some unique features not evident in the no-frills version that you stumbled upon. Anodizing color choice aside, the current UJK version appears to have a much more thought-out interface (even from Version 1's) between the frame that holds the chuck and the guide rods it slides up and down on. The UJK-version utilizes "Oilite bronze bushes" (or "bushings" for those of us on the other side of the Atlantic) while, at least from what is evident in the images and description, the no-frills version does not:





I would pass on the no-frills version for this reason alone. The lack of precision in this area is what plagues most drill stands of this type (and what likely makes the UJK version stand out from all the rest) - and based on another forum member's disappointing review I include the Kanzawa offerings in this category also.

Meanwhile, while both versions feature what appears to be the same "rubberised high friction pad" on the underside of the stand, their respective chuck capacity is different. The no-frills version features a 9.5mm chuck while the UJK version features a full 10mm chuck. That said, they both feature a Centrotec-compatible hex shank (which is the feature that confirmed for me at least the Tawianese provenance of the UJK-branded stand).

Speaking of which, here's the page on the manufacturer's (Fortune Extendables Corp.'s) website that details the no-frills version. Their description for the two versions they sell under their own name (one shorter, one taller) mentions the availability of different sized chucks which might explain why the UJK version has one size chuck and the no-frills version (at least the stock version) has another.

Other notable differences include the rubber protective guide rod covers (which the UJK sports while the no-frills does not) and, most curiously, the fact that the UJK version features four mounting slots designed to accept mounting of the UJK "Self Centring [sic] Vice [sic] for Drill Guide", a potentially game-changing accessory that, before now, I was totally unaware of:





A quick scan of the Fortune website produces what is no doubt the inspiration behind the UJK drill stand vise (which I'm going to guess is also being produced for UJK by Fortune).

As an aside, I also note that Fortune makes another cheaper-looking drill stand.

Wrapping it up, that the current UJK-branded drill-stand has no allowance for dust collection likely results from the fact that Axminster is relying on an existing design produced by a third party (who really missed the boat on this aspect). Too bad, really, especially since - as I've pointed out elsewhere in this thread - if the cheapest of the cheap can feature integrated dust collection:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5dUZmma8Q4&feature=youtu.be

...then why can't what might arguably be 'the best of the best' also feature it?

@AxminsterTools are you listening?

Finally, since the current version of the UJK drill stand is now available for sale on the Axminster site, I guess that means that it should be any day now that TSO gets them in stock. I wonder, @TSO Products, have you elected to offer the vise as well?

If the bushings work as advertised (to vastly improve this stand's precision over all other's in the marketplace) I might have to take the plunge and pick up both of these items. Having myself long considered a Wabeco drill stand I've decided recently (based upon a far-too-long term examination what I tend to require) that I will be best served by a far more portable and store'able 'mini' drill stand (the UJK-branded version being specifically what I'm after).
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #92 on: December 08, 2019, 05:37 PM »
Wow, somebody has done their homework @TinyShop! I was after the UJK one and tried to order one but was told they were only shipping them to UK mainland addresses as they were still under a 9 to 12 month quality review and was unable to pull the trigger due to living on a remote UK island. That sounded quite disparaging given the long wait for the version 2 guide.

On a whim I tried ordering again at the end of last week and it went through. Hopefully the sales person I was in touch with in the first instance had out of date info and they are actually happy with the V2 unit. If there's anything in particular you want to know about it let me know. It should be in my hands by mid week at the latest... hopefully!

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #93 on: December 08, 2019, 05:45 PM »
@Roachmill - Thanks for the offer! I'm mostly wanting honest feedback on the precision aspect. If that area is addressed then I think my biggest concern will be allayed. Fingers crossed.....
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #94 on: December 08, 2019, 05:54 PM »
@Roachmill - Thanks for the offer! I'm mostly wanting honest feedback on the precision aspect. If that area is addressed then I think my biggest concern will be allayed. Fingers crossed.....
I'm hoping the self centring feature will be good enough for hogging out mortices. That'll be the first test but not entirely indicative of exact precision. Will update here once I've had a chance to play with it. I'll have a think about a way of proving how precise it actually is while I wait for those three magic words: "out", "for" and "delivery" ;)

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #95 on: December 08, 2019, 06:18 PM »
I've stumbled upon a stand that looks similar to UJK's:
https://www.sautershop.com/drill-stand-pivotable-with-drill-chuck-fo-scd3
https://korean.alibaba.com/product-detail/Drill-Stand-with-Guide-for-Hand-60543980874.html

Similar looking drill stands have been manufactured all over the world for several decades. This one is only vaguely similar to the Axminster version which is the best I’ve seen so far. I found no indication of where the Axminster stand is made. Even so, the Axminster is still not in the same league as the Wabeco or Duss drill stands.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #96 on: December 08, 2019, 06:30 PM »
I've stumbled upon a stand that looks similar to UJK's:
https://www.sautershop.com/drill-stand-pivotable-with-drill-chuck-fo-scd3
https://korean.alibaba.com/product-detail/Drill-Stand-with-Guide-for-Hand-60543980874.html

Similar looking drill stands have been manufactured all over the world for several decades. This one is only vaguely similar to the Axminster version which is the best I’ve seen so far. I found no indication of where the Axminster stand is made. Even so, the Axminster is still not in the same league as the Wabeco or Duss drill stands.

Michael - I think that based solely on the fact that both stands feature a Centrotec-compatible hex shank, a wildly specific and unique feature, it's obvious that the UJK stand is produced by the manufacturer I specified. Of course, the identical castings give this away too. And, I think we all agree as well that these, what I'm calling 'mini' drill stands, are not in the same category as a benchtop stand from Wabeco, etc. That's not in debate. But for those of us seeking an easily transportable and store'able solution to common tasks that might be met by the UJK-version, I think we're all hoping that it's all its cracked up to be.   
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #97 on: December 08, 2019, 06:52 PM »
Missed the fact that the cheap version and the UJK version both have Centrotec shanks but I did see indications that Fortune is a Korean company. Consumer Reports gives the Korean made Genesis car it’s highest ratings. On the other hand, the base castings look quite different to me and you noted the difference in the yokes.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #98 on: December 08, 2019, 07:34 PM »
Quoting @Tiny Shop  :
Finally, since the current version of the UJK drill stand is now available for sale on the Axminster site, I guess that means that it should be any day now that TSO gets them in stock. I wonder, @TSO Products, have you elected to offer the vise as well?

TSO has more than "elected" - we have been in regular contact on this Drill Guide project ever since AXMINSTER pulled the earlier version off the market. We worked with them on some market research for this design and see they have taken the US feedback into account.. We should give Axminster credit for electing on a slow roll-out on a regional (UK) scale for starters until the tool has shown it is up to expectation and justifies ramping up production once proven in the field.

AXMINSTER has known from the beginning of this second generation Drill Guide project that TSO will stock in depth. Our website has a signup provisions for th Drill Guide to be notified when in stock:
       https://tsoproducts.com/tools-equipment/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

The product page image shows the old version and old price - will update when price is available.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #99 on: December 08, 2019, 10:21 PM »
@TSO_Products - I think you may have misunderstood. Please reread the quote of mine that you posted. I was asking specifically about the self-centering vise that is designed to fit the drill guide/stand. Obviously, you're going to stock the drill guide/stand (I've been signed up on that list forever). I just want to know about the vise. :)
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #100 on: December 10, 2019, 03:29 PM »
The guide arrived today and just in time as we're getting battered with the first named storm of the year "Atiyah" which has cancelled all freight ferries for the next 2 days. Yay!

Packaging was top notch. Included were two spanners presumably for working with the chuck fixings. They were duly cast aside. There's a parts diagram and a fluffy manual of sorts with lots of photos. They joined the spanners.

After wiping it down to remove protective oil the only thing left to do was attach the handle and tightening knob. The fit and finish is pretty good. Very little slop in the bushings riding the guide rods which is reassuring. If they were any tighter it wouldn't move so the tolerances look great in that respect.

Chuck looks good but I fitted a Wera Rapidaptor as all my bits are 1/4" hex or Centrotec affairs and I don't fancy futzing around with a chuck key unless absolute accuracy is required.

I thought the centring pins were missing but they helpfully screw in to two holes in the guide. Very handy and a nice touch to stop them from joining the pencil and tape measure MIA list.

Adjusting the angle of attack is easy enough. Perhaps slightly on the just too tight but that can be adjusted. There are no positive stops for any common angles. Not even 0/90. To set that a good square wants using which is easy enough referencing of the base and the squared castings at the bottom of the rods. Locking in an angle is achieved simply by tightening the two handles. It feels solid but I'll need to give it some use to be able to trust it completely.

The only major gripe so far is the anti-slip sole which is a sheet of rubber glued on to ribs on the base. It's not a good fit and knocks the sole out of true meaning the whole unit rocks a bit. That's "not good". With a bit of gentle persuasion it came off and joined the manual in dust gather duties. The base itself has been ground / milled flat. I'll likely fashion a new base or set to easing the metal edges to prevent marking things.

Another niggle will certainly be the lack of return springs to stop a fitted bit and drill from sliding down to the depth stops when set aside on the base. Such a mechanism would likely get in the way and clog up with dust so not a biggy really.

I'll not get a chance to actually use the thing until Thursday but first impressions are good. Thankfully!

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #101 on: December 10, 2019, 08:21 PM »
@Roachmill - I suppose if the guide rods can be slid out/base removed it would be a simple matter to find or make a compression spring and maybe fashion a couple of washers too to enable spring return. Might only need a spring on one guide rod (not both). Nice at least to have the option.

Thanks for your preliminary review! Now, if you make a video and upload it to youtube you'd be the first one to do so! ;)   
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #102 on: December 10, 2019, 08:39 PM »
@TSO_Products - I think you may have misunderstood. Please reread the quote of mine that you posted. I was asking specifically about the self-centering vise that is designed to fit the drill guide/stand. Obviously, you're going to stock the drill guide/stand (I've been signed up on that list forever). I just want to know about the vise. :)

@TinyShop - thanks for clarifying - yes, of course we will have the Vise accessory in stock as well.
Your interest in this additional accessory is noted.

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Re: Festool Drill Guide
« Reply #103 on: December 10, 2019, 11:55 PM »
The UJK-version utilizes "Oilite bronze bushes" (or "bushings" for those of us on the other side of the Atlantic) while, at least from what is evident in the images and description, the no-frills version does not:

I had access to and reviewed an early version of the original UJK drill guide. The largest issue I found was the wear within the upper yoke assembly. It was constructed from aluminum and it scored easily. This prevented it from plunging smoothly and sometimes prevented it from plunging at all because of the stiction.

The photos presented are the LH side of the yoke, showing the top & bottom sides of the bore & the RH side of the yoke, showing the top & bottom sides of the bore. There was significant scoring on the upper & lower yoke bores caused by a misalignment between the rods that are attached to the base and the traveling yoke itself. 










If the new UJK drill guide has oilite bushings, I'd consider that to be a major improvement over the original version along with correcting the misalignment between the rods and the yoke.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #104 on: December 13, 2019, 10:02 PM »
I just happened to notice that the page on Axminster's site dedicated to the UJK Drill Guide 2.0 has been updated, and now reflects the dreaded "Out of Stock" status. I wonder...are they really out-of-stock or is the team at Axminster regrouping after receiving here and here a couple of less than glowing reviews?

Whatever is up, I have to say that I'm pretty disappointed given that if something as obvious as a poorly executed "rubberised high friction pad" or misaligned scales managed to slip past the normally discerning eyes at the UJK tool division, I have to wonder what other problems may likewise have been overlooked.

Now, I certainly understand that it's not at all an easy thing to bring a tool like this to market. But, if this kind of poor design and quality control shows up in the first couple of reviews (particularly of a Version 2.0 - this isn't a "Model A" we're talking about) it doesn't bode well for those of us who have been waiting patiently for many moons for the updated version.

It's really too bad that the economics apparently didn't allow UJK to take the design and manufacture of a drill guide in-house as my guess is they would have really knocked one out of the park relative to what we've apparently ended up with: (yet) another Tawianese-version that lacks dust collection, features dual-scales which apparently aren't aligned with each other, is hampered by a base which, apparently - thanks to the inclusion of a poorly executed non-slip pad - is all wobbly and which, as a result of these deficiencies, may suffer from similar accuracy limitations to that which plague a $23 Woolfcraft competitor (the latter of which, as I've already pointed out elsewhere in this thread, can at least boast dust-collection).

Crossing my fingers that these most recent problems can be overcome before the container full of guides bound for N.A. gets loaded aboard its respective freighter.
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #105 on: December 14, 2019, 10:33 AM »
@TinyShop I wonder if they've actually sold out or just yanked it again...

I didn't get to it on Thursday but managed to squeeze in some shop time today with it. I'd removed the rubber base and checked the metal sole for flatness. It was rocking ever so slightly but that was due to an errant piece of rubber I'd missed. After I'd nipped that out it was solid. The metal edges weren't noticeably sharp but I took a bit of sandpaper to them just the same. Here you can see the ribs the rubber was glued to... terrible idea as it's only about 1mm thick. Something akin to a router base would be what I'd want to see for this price.
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I set the thing to 90 degrees using a Woodpecker mini square referencing of the top side. Using an 8mm Fisch brad point bit I drilled a series of holes through some random pine. I stopped the drill leaving the bit in the hole and checked to see if said bit was protruding square to the wood. As far as I could see it was. No pics of any of this I'm sorry to say but it's a tick in the right box as far as I'm concerned.
The Axminster review mentioned that the scales were offset on their unit. Mine are as pretty much bang on:
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The centring pins worked well. I didn't measure the exact centres but they're spacing  handily allows them to fit in two dog holes:
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One last thing that I really liked were the depth stops on the rods. They easily let you set a depth of cut much like you'd do with a router e.g. drop the bit to rest on the surface then stick whatever measuring device is applicable under a reference surface and then raise a stop up underneath it. That's not explained very well buta picture should clear it up:
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Overall I'm pleased with it. Would I pay the same again for it? Probably.
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #106 on: December 14, 2019, 02:04 PM »
In place of the rubber you can use four small pieces of 220 grit psa backed abrasive in the four corners. It won’t compress like rubber does.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #107 on: December 14, 2019, 02:16 PM »
In place of the rubber you can use four small pieces of 220 grit psa backed abrasive in the four corners. It won’t compress like rubber does.
I'm thinking I'd want a base to cover the entire sole or at least the central area. I couldn't guarantee that individual feet would all make good contact and not introduce some wobble. In reality, for what I'll use it for, I likely just use it as it is. When I clamped it on to some scrap pine there were no discernible marks which came as a bit of a surprise!

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #108 on: December 14, 2019, 06:51 PM »
@Roachmill - Great photos! Thanks for the follow up. I don't know why but I'd envisioned that the underside of the base was solid billet. So, I was surprised to see that it's actually cast. Interesting. The open spider web certainly makes for a difficult interface with something like a pliable rubber pad so now I'm not surprised that you encountered the problem you did. Calls I think for something like a thin acrylic or pheonolic (or equivalent) sub-base with the pad adhered to it and that assembly then screwed onto the base. The effect of a slightly thicker base would eat up a little more usable depth but not enough to worry about, I would guess.

Glad to hear that your guide came with two depth stop collars. I've noticed a troubling discrepancy between some of the stock product photos - some show a single depth stop while others show two (plus the description only mentions one). So, even though yours arrived fitted with two, I'm still left with some lingering doubt.

Finally, since a picture is worth a thousand words, I've circled the location of the on-board storage for the centering pins:

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I must have read the description a million times, each time missing the sentence which describes where the pins are stored. So, in case anyone is similarly confused....

I really appreciate your efforts to provide an unbiased review and remain hopeful that the version released into my market will be problem free. That said, I'm still dreaming of a dust shroud!

Speaking of which...

...the oval shape of the aperture (over which a removable dust shroud could, at least in theory, be mounted) just screams out for a simple shop-made dust shroud solution. Toward that end, I've got an idea.

The idea here would be to install a smooth uninterrupted surface onto the top face of the drill guide base to facilitate the use of a suction-type drill dust shroud.

What I'm envisioning is a rectangular piece of 1/8" (or possibly 1/4") thick acrylic sized slightly larger in width than the narrow radius of the aperture and sized in length to match at least the distance between the slots in the base (which are intended for the mounting of the drill guide vise). This rectangular piece of acrylic could be fastened to the top face of the drill guide's base to provide a nice smooth surface for a drill dust-shroud to suction down on to.

Mounting the rectangular piece of acrylic (let's call it an "overlay") down to the top face of the drill guide's base could be accomplished using the aforementioned counter sunk slots. Four collared threaded inserts could be installed into corresponding mounting holes drilled into the overlay to give the user a fairly convenient way of attaching it to the base using machine screws. The machine screws, in conjunction with the threaded inserts, would fasten the overlay down (from underneath) to the top surface of the base.

With the overlay thus fastened in place, a vacuum-powered drill dust-shroud featuring a footprint narrow enough to fit in between the guide rod pillars/supports (maybe like this mass produced clear one or this mass produced opaque one or this 3-D-printed one) could be used to collect the debris produced during the drilling operation.

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Since the rear end of the overlay would need to cantilever out beyond the back edge of the drill guide base (it looks like this would need to happen to provide enough surface area for a drill dust shroud to suction down onto), a groove or slot would need to be machined into the overlay to allow it to clear the raised rear integral vee-guide that is cast into the base. Some allowance could also be made to keep the overlay clear of the two countersunk holes at the rear end of the base which, as the product description states, are intended for, "...fixing the guide in place onto a jig or sub-base."   

Now, to assess if this workaround is feasible, it will be necessary to know a) the minimum clearance underneath the guide rod pillars/supports (which I assume shrinks as the guide rods are tilted though their full range of travel), b) the distance between the guide rod pillars/supports and c) the distance from the longitudinal center of the 3-jaw chuck rearward to 1) the edge of the oval hole in the base and 2) the integral vee-guide. @Roachmill - do you think might have an opportunity to provide these measurements?
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #109 on: December 14, 2019, 08:42 PM »
In place of the rubber you can use four small pieces of 220 grit psa backed abrasive in the four corners. It won’t compress like rubber does.
I'm thinking I'd want a base to cover the entire sole or at least the central area. I couldn't guarantee that individual feet would all make good contact and not introduce some wobble. In reality, for what I'll use it for, I likely just use it as it is. When I clamped it on to some scrap pine there were no discernible marks which came as a bit of a surprise!

Would it be difficult to fill in the base with epoxy.
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #110 on: December 15, 2019, 01:03 AM »
@Bob D. - Given the potential risks, I wouldn't want to attempt it. I'd hate to have to try to machine any uneven spots plus I would think that, over time, the epoxy would get dinged up and then where would you be? I guess in the position of having to fill dents, divets, scratches, etc., with yet more epoxy. Then there's the issue of the different material hardnesses (the epoxy would wear faster than the surrounding aluminum). Seems like a can of worms. I'd rather fashion a sub-base (which I could remove and replace as needed).     
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #111 on: December 15, 2019, 08:54 PM »
@Roachmill - Here's what I'm driving at (apologies for the crude nature of my mashup but I trust you see where I'm going with this):



Or perhaps easier, here's another rough design (this one might allow the use of 1/4" (6mm) acrylic):

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #112 on: December 15, 2019, 09:24 PM »
@TinyShop

 I wonder if they've actually sold out or just yanked it again...

@Roachmill  and @TinyShop :
AXMINSTER inf omred us that they have help up release/shipment for technical reasons.Considering their experience with product partially or completely produced by third parties, that is understandable. I know the first production batch was a limited quantity - which makes sense.
We understand market pressures for product release but I think a conservative approach makes sense in the long run.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #113 on: December 16, 2019, 06:58 AM »
@TinyShop I hear ya. Dust collection would be good. Something easy-on easy-off like the dust port on the OF1400 would be great.

@TSO_Products Sounds like they've dropped anchor on the current iteration which is a pity. I'm pretty sure the rubber base isn't what they had in mind and have acted accordingly / responsibly.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #114 on: December 16, 2019, 11:11 AM »
While this drill stand would be nice.  I am waiting and waiting for Bridge City Tools to either put their drill jig back in production or produce a newer version.  I saw something on John's Blog they might be producing a new improved one.  It is the one tool I wish I had.

I have a small drill press but rarely use it, since it has many limitations.  I know the jig is expensive but it will fit in a systainer.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #115 on: December 16, 2019, 12:04 PM »
Restoration of a piece of “art furniture” required drilling slightly larger holes for plugs.

I used the OF 1000 as a portable drill press running 8mm shank forstner bits at the lowest speed. Had to set the depth stop carefully because it had to plunge quickly to avoid burning. Produced a much finer hole (and very square to the surface) than a hand held drill even in a jig like the one discussed here.

I have several similar jigs that are very seldom used. The main problem is that the yoke that slides on the posts is too short. It really needs to be twice as tall to approach reliability in hitting the marks. And the base needs to resist sliding around.

I also used the plunge router and the 8mm brad point dowel bit on a complex project that required precisely located pins (I used dowels). Using a bright light and parking the point of the bit a hundredth of an inch above the marks on the work and gently tapping the machine into place worked. (Used the psa abrasive mentioned above to keep the router in place while I plunged) Nothing else would have come close to the accuracy needed. Well, maybe the Shaper Origin.

A lightweight plunge router that can run at lower speeds would be very welcome. Add a good keyless chuck than can accept a range of diameters. Add a bright light and dust collection. I’d buy the first one.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #116 on: December 16, 2019, 12:23 PM »
A lightweight plunge router that can run at lower speeds would be very welcome. Add a good keyless chuck than can accept a range of diameters. Add a bright light and dust collection. I’d buy the first one.

Micro plunge base for Dremel, Foredom, Proxxon and M12 Milwaukee.

https://microfence.com/product/micro-plunge-base-w-light-ring-kit




Small plunge base for Bosch Colt sized routers.

https://microfence.com/product/original-plunge-base-w-light-ring-kit/

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #117 on: December 16, 2019, 12:57 PM »
@Cheese those look nice. Is the yoke/bearing tall enough? How tall is the bearing in a Festool plunge router anyway?

Still want a lower speed motor and a chuck.

This Metabo 18v 4000 rpm drill with 43mm collar and lock on switch might work. If there is a reducing adapter from whatever to 43mm.

Add the cost of this drill to the cost of the Micro-Fence rig and it equals the Festool OF 1100. The router has dust collection but no light. And the speed is too high.

Maybe use an old single speed router with external speed control. Or would it loose too much power with that kind of controller?
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #118 on: December 16, 2019, 02:55 PM »
Heard back from Dustless Technologies in regards to the dimensions of their D1900 "BitBuddie" drill dust shroud. They sent the following:

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@Roachmill - Based on the above dimensions, would their dust shroud fit in between the guide rod pillars? If so, with the aperture approximately centered under the chuck centerline (I know you don't have this product in hand - an estimate is fine) approximately how far off the back end of the drill guide base would it overhang? Hoping you'll have a moment to do some guesstimation. :)

 
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #119 on: December 16, 2019, 03:18 PM »
@TinyShop We're hunkered down for the evening here with Watchmen and The Mandelorian so I'll get to guesstimating tomorrow. I do know the aperture is supposed to take up to 60mm bits so I'd hope the business end would fit.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #120 on: December 16, 2019, 06:14 PM »
@TinyShop We're hunkered down for the evening here with Watchmen and The Mandelorian so I'll get to guesstimating tomorrow.
I set my Sky box to record Watchmen at 0200 Monday mornings on Sky Atlantic so I don't have to wait until the evening to watch it.   [big grin]

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #121 on: December 16, 2019, 07:47 PM »
@TinyShop We're hunkered down for the evening here with Watchmen and The Mandelorian so I'll get to guesstimating tomorrow. I do know the aperture is supposed to take up to 60mm bits so I'd hope the business end would fit.

No rush! Enjoy the brain veg. ;)
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #122 on: December 17, 2019, 09:37 AM »
Heard back from Dustless Technologies in regards to the dimensions of their D1900 "BitBuddie" drill dust shroud. They sent the following:

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@Roachmill - Based on the above dimensions, would their dust shroud fit in between the guide rod pillars? If so, with the aperture approximately centered under the chuck centerline (I know you don't have this product in hand - an estimate is fine) approximately how far off the back end of the drill guide base would it overhang? Hoping you'll have a moment to do some guesstimation. :)

Here goes... I knocked up a rough template based on their measurements: 5 1/4 total length, 2" diameter at the front, guessed at 3/4" dust port overhang and 3" width at the back.
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I then switched to mm, sorry ;)

The distance from chuck centrepoint to the front / back edges of the guide base is approximately 82mm. On my template that has the dust port section emerging from the body of the dust shroud right at the outer edge of the base. These are just rough measurements mind you.

The bad news would be the raised portion on the top side of the base for the self-centering vise (4 slotted holes rising ~2mm) and the round stock guides (2 V shapes rising 8mm). They would interfere with achieving any kind of vacuum.
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There would be no problems caused by the height of the dust port.

Some other choice measurements are:

Base outer edge front to back: 168mm
Inside distance between orange rod post holders: 70mm
Aperture opening front to back: 104mm
Aperture opening side to side: 65mm
V guide distance from chuck centre: 67mm to 72mm i.e. they are 5mm thick.
Vise slots measure: 13mm x 23mm
Vise slots are 47mm apart left to right and 62mm front to back.

Keep in mind these measurements were all taken using only a pretty rubbish metal ruler and a good bit of squinting [big grin]

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #123 on: December 17, 2019, 01:51 PM »
@Roachmill - Thank you so much for your most thorough reply!

This very telling picture of yours:



...says it all!

Based on it, it's now clear to me that my idea for how to add dust collection to this drill guide is totally doable. :)

Now, in order to counter your concern over what you characterize as "bad news", I have a different take. 

1/4" (6mm) Plexi Overlay

If desired, selecting 1/4" (6mm) thick plexi for construction of the removable overlay will in effect swallow up almost all of the height of each vee guide. Corresponding slots milled through the overlay in the relative locations of the vee guides would serve to essentially eliminate them as obstructions. In the case of the rear vee guide, the remaining ~2mm of it sticking up above the top surface of the overlay would fall within the free area under the shroud (so no conflict there in terms of an obstruction). Now, if needed, a little cap of plexi sized to encapsulate the slot at the rear (with a couple of shallow flat bottomed holes drilled in it to account for the sharp points of the vee guide sitting proud of the top face of the overlay) could be glued in place to hermetically seal the slot. Or (and I'm guessing that this might the case) both vee guide slots in the overlay could simply be left as-is since, practically speaking, I don't think there would enough suction loss at the location of the rear vee guide to warrant any additional effort.

The matter of the four raised cast slots in the base, on the other hand - which are intended for mounting of the vise - could be easily addressed by marking their location on the underside of the overlay and then simply machining corresponding ~2mm deep oval-shaped shallow depressions into the underside of the overlay into which those raised slots would fit (thus allowing the entirety of the overlay to lay perfectly flat and unimpeded onto the top surface of the base).

1/8"(3mm) Plexi Overlay


Alternatively, in order to reduce the amount of milling required to produce said overlay, 1/8" (3mm) plexi could be used instead. If this thinner material will fit underneath the two guide rod pillars (Question: If possible, I need to know the corresponding amount of headroom as depicted below):

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...then this would also potentially greatly simplify the overlay's overall design. But, given the thinner nature of this material, extra care would need to be taken to ensure that the oval depressions milled into its underside (to account for the profiles of the raised slots) don't puncture all of the way through the overlay. If this is a problem, thru-slots could be milled instead and a second duplicate overlay (which omits the slots) could then be stacked on top of (and adhered down onto) the primary overlay. The perimeter of this duplicate overlay could be shaped slightly differently in order to prevent a conflict with the full range of travel of the guide rod pillars while also maintaining enough remaining surface area over the aperture for the shroud to suction down onto. This would bring the overall thickness of the overlay up to a 1/4" (6mm) but that shouldn't be a problem.         

On/Off Installation/Removal of Overlay

To facilitate easy on/off of the overlay, countersunk holes and four flat headed screws could be used in conjunction with the threaded holes machined into each corner of the base to allow the installation to be performed from above. Said another way, I didn't realize at first that those countersunk holes in the base are threaded but knowing now that they are would allow the overlay to be fastened down from above. At first, I considered the use of thumbscrews but since, as is shown in your photo, their tall profile would conflict with the rear end of the dust shroud it makes better sense to simply use flush mounted flat-headed screws at all four fastening points. Tool'less installation would be nice but we can't have everything! That said, maybe employing the use of a different suction shroud would ultimately allow the use of four thumbscrews.

Now, if one is going to employ the use of a sub-base (say, in lieu of the guide's problematic non-slip rubber pad), then the four threaded holes won't necessarily be available for use as the attachment method (unless, that is, the length of the fastener chosen allows both the sub-base and the overlay - the latter in conjunction with four threaded inserts - to be co-installed from the underside). However, if this is going to be the case, then to reduce the added-complexity the idea I originally had of utilizing the four cast slots in the base in conjunction with four threaded inserts in the overlay for mounting the overlay from underneath might work better.

Length of Overlay

Finally, its good to know that the rear end of the overlay will not need to be asymmetrically-sized to cantilever-out off the rear end of the drill guide's base all that much. I assumed that it would require quite a bit of overhang but your photo shows that only a little overhang will be necessary.

Thanks again! :)
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #124 on: December 17, 2019, 02:32 PM »
Caught me just before down-tools time. I can slip 8mm of setup block between pillar and base at 0 degrees but only 2.5mm if you want to allow for setting at all angles as the corners reduce the gap.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #125 on: December 17, 2019, 04:59 PM »
Excellent! Thanks again. That answers all my feasibility questions. Some selective material removal in the region of the pillars will be in order whether 1/4" or 1/8" acrylic is used. That's simple enough.

So, for posterity's sake, here are some final mashups, using your image modified to show what an overlay made out of 1/4" (6mm) acrylic might look like:



...and what an overlay made out of a single layer of 1/8" (3mm) acrylic might look like:

   

I think that either of these would work quite well.

If I don't include the fact that every dust shroud I've found features a round aperture (and not an oval one - which limits the diameter of drill bit that can be used with the shroud in place - this limitation becomes more pronounced as the guide rods are tipped over) the only design limitation I can foresee (at least when a BitBuddie shroud is used - depending on the width of the shroud in use this will be either more or less of a limitation) is when the guide rails are tipped way over. Doing so moves the effective centerline of the chuck forward (relative to the user, deeper into the far narrow end of the aperture in the base) which will necessitate positioning the shroud deeper into the region between the guide rod pillars. This will become a problem the moment the increasingly wider rear end of the shroud is no longer able to fit between the pillars. In this situation one could, I suppose, flip the shroud around to the other side though this may not always be feasible. If one were to instead ensure plenty of overhang on the far side (more than on the near side) then this would address the limitation.

The vee guides prevent the design of the overlay from making use of mounting slots (in place of mounting holes). Slots would be nice since they would allow the overlay to be slid across the base as needed to adjust for the moving centerline of the drill. So, instead, either the opposite end of the overlay needs to be made long enough to account for this situation or the rear end of the overlay needs to be made long enough such that the overlay can be mounted "backwards" in the event that steeply angled holes are desired. Fr this work, the selective removal of material under the pillars would need to accomplished - if possible - without producing a conflict with the location of the shroud. I prefer the idea of making it reversible so will likely adopt that solution myself (meaning, I guess the rear end of the overlay will feature a sizable overhang after all). I'll have to remember that the selective dishing-out of material from the overlay to account for the reduced headroom under the pillars that exists when the guide rods are tipped way over, will need to be accomplished with the overlay positioned in the "backwards" orientation and this will need to be double-checked in advance to make sure that this does set up interference with the ability of the shroud to suction down to the overlay when the overlay is reoriented back to its "forward" position. I won't be able to ascertain whether this is truly a problem until I have both the guide and the shroud in my possession. So, stand by (for a while) for that to happen. Alternatively, it might be worth exploring the feasibility of removing some material from the base of each pillar. Doing so would obviously compromise the anodizing but sometimes sacrifices must be made....

Finally, it occurred to me to simply place some pieces of tape over the oval cutouts (in the case of an 1/8" thick overlay were they to extend all the way through the material) to effectively seal those penetrations. That's a simple method that I bet would do the trick.

Thanks again! :) Now I'll just to have await patiently for the North American re-release. :)     
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Re: Festool Drill Guide
« Reply #126 on: December 18, 2019, 01:46 AM »
Kanzawa K-801-4 assembly video @5:22 confirms that there is no bushings inside slider  >:(
Delrin sleeve would be a possible improvement but unfortunately the slider collar doesn't extend on the bottom side so there isn't any way to thread the outside to add a sleeve.
Also, just stumbled upon another option, this time from Japan. Behold, the very reasonably priced Kanzawa K-801-4, angle-adjustable portable drill stand:









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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #127 on: January 14, 2020, 09:30 AM »
Newsflash: Axminster have just sent out an email stating the following

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We have noticed that a very small number of the UJK Drill Guides have incorrectly machined bases. This has affected how the rubber non-slip pad is supported, resulting in the base not quite sitting flat on the workpiece in some cases.  In order to maintain our high product standards and to ensure that you are assured of a product that performs as we expect, we have taken the decision to send you a new base. These bases have been fully and correctly machined here in Axminster.

Firstly, that's extremely good of them. Secondly, I'm not sure a "very small number" of bases would warrant such blanket action but I'm not going to argue  [big grin]

I shall wait and see what the new base is like and update here when appropriate.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #128 on: January 14, 2020, 05:22 PM »
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #129 on: January 15, 2020, 06:46 AM »
@TinyShop , I was looking at your proposed dust boot and wondering why it has to completely encompass the bit. I understand that would give the maximum affect but if it only covered the one side then the drill guide would be free to pivot in one direction and I bet your dust collection would still be excellent. Plus faster and easier to attach/remove the dust port. A couple tappings in the base would allow for screws to secure the dust port to the base or maybe a pair of latches similar to the one Festool uses on the OF1400 dust port.
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #130 on: January 15, 2020, 11:21 AM »
@Bob D. - Good points! I suppose I went the route I did because then I would have a dust shroud that could do double duty. I've held off on acquiring a suction dust shroud (seemed a bit extravagant compared to my current two handed technique - one hand on the drill and the other holding a dust hose) but if I could use one with and without a drill stand then, for me, that makes the purchase of one worthwhile. I guess I needed something to 'push me over the edge' as it were. But, again, your points are well noted. :) 
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #131 on: January 15, 2020, 11:26 AM »
I guess the quality control issue re: uneven bases has been sorted - just received a notice that the drill guide is back in stock:

https://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-drill-guide-with-10mm-chuck-106072
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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #132 on: January 15, 2020, 09:38 PM »
Here's hoping they come available across the pond soon as well. I've been eyeing one of these and can't wait to get my hands on it to replace the cheap little unit I have right now.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #133 on: January 16, 2020, 01:29 PM »
New base arrived today. No visible modifications to the original so I guess they've tried to just use better or proper amounts of glue. It still rocks... but a lot less than the original one did. I'll not be bothering to fit it though.

The design of it is just wrong by virtue of having something flexible fixed to a surface that isn't flat itself. A solid router type base is what it really needs and could so easily have had; but they chose to skimp on it thus rendering it inaccurate which was one of the main selling points :/

Still, the rubber is easy to remove and the metal base is actually flat!

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #134 on: January 16, 2020, 03:20 PM »
@Roachmill - Hmmmm, interesting. Given that, I encourage you to upload a(nother) review to the Axminster site:

https://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-drill-guide-with-10mm-chuck-106072

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #135 on: January 17, 2020, 06:12 AM »
@Roachmill - Hmmmm, interesting. Given that, I encourage you to upload a(nother) review to the Axminster site:

https://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-drill-guide-with-10mm-chuck-106072
Done! It may take a few days to appear... they say.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #136 on: February 07, 2020, 09:44 PM »
@rubber ducky -  the thread you revived ran before TSO introduced the TSO Parallel Guide. You mention your need / interest in ripping 2.5 inch strips.

Try one of these parallel guides and see how well this works for you and use the return privilege if it does not meet your needs. There are inherent limitations to ripping narrow stock using any parallel guide unless you rarely need that capability.

The TSO Parallel Guide System was designed in response to the shortcomings of the parallel guide we had purchased (one of the brands you are considering) and used it in our own shop and after evaluating the other well known parallel guides, too.

Hans

Offline ElectricFeet

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #137 on: February 08, 2020, 11:47 AM »
I wanted a UJK stand (V1) when it first came out (my shop is a cupboard) and luckily missed the window to buy it. After seeing the reviews, I was wary the second time around and the more I think about it, the more I think that the design is not going to work very well -- too many things to go wrong and too few use-cases where you can mitigate the underlying problems.

I eventually ordered one of these:

Review here:



It's consumer-level kit (but then, so are the drill stands that are being discussed in the thread). While it takes up considerably more space than a drill stand, it's still much smaller than a traditional drill press and will, crucially, fit in my cupboard -- once I build another cupboard, that is :-))))

It's only just arrived, so I can't comment on its usability, but it looks sturdy enough. I hate the wheel before even using it though.

Offline Roachmill

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #138 on: February 08, 2020, 12:36 PM »
That's a fantastic drill for what it is. I saw a lot of praise for it and bought one off the back of that. I don't mind the wheel at all.

I finally got round to making a new base plate for the UJK one out of 9mm MDF I had kicking around. A bit of EPDM stuck on and it's worked a treat making big peg holes in 4x4 oak leg assemblies. Ain't no way they'd fit in my pillar drill ;)

Offline threesixright

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #139 on: February 08, 2020, 07:03 PM »
It's only just arrived, so I can't comment on its usability, but it looks sturdy enough. I hate the wheel before even using it though.
I think the 1st Bosch also wasn’t without it problems (chuck wobble). But they made it better. There is an after market spoke wheel (not affiliated)
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F223895703315

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2020, 05:51 AM »
I second that, the Bosch PBD 40 is a very nice drill press. It has been very popular in Germany, and now even here. Being a consumer drill, it is among the very finest “green” series Bosch. I have encountered “blue” Bosch with lesser quality.

Offline jjowen

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2020, 09:48 PM »
This is my take on 'bring the tool to the workpiece'. Base + 20mm sacrificial piece = MFT height.

I need to improve the clamping options. Festool clamps fit in slots in base, but then interfere with movement of drill.

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Offline ElectricFeet

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #142 on: February 10, 2020, 02:42 PM »
This is my take on 'bring the tool to the workpiece'. Base + 20mm sacrificial piece = MFT height.

I need to improve the clamping options. Festool clamps fit in slots in base, but then interfere with movement of drill.

(Attachment Link)

Nice setup. Wouldn't work for me as my balcony slopes all over the place to drain water  ::)

Re the clamps: I got some of these:

310554-0

They are each two pieces. You slot them both into an mft hole and then pull the "lever" towards you. As they work together in an eccentric manner, this tightens them and stops them moving laterally. They don't apply much pressure downwards, but you don't need it in this case: where they work is in blocking horizontal movement over the corners of the stand. And they have a low profile, so you can continue to work over them.

This page shows how they work: https://kqlft.com/shopping/products/detail16.html

As I say, not much downward pressure so pretty useless for holding down material, but great holding down this drill stand to an mft.