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Offline EWTHeckman

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Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« on: January 17, 2012, 10:45 PM »
The guide rail accessory kit includes two screw clamps.

My TS 55 systainer contains places to store a pair of quick clamps, a pair of guide rail connectors and a parallel guide, but they have to be purchased separately.







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« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 05:29 PM by SRSemenza »
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Offline andvari

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Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 11:00 PM »
If you are considering clamps, take a look at the DeWalt ones as well as the Festool clamps.

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Offline neeleman

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 02:40 AM »
Here is a picture of the DeWalt track-rail-clamps.
It's for one-handed operation for fast set-up and that's very handy when they are upside down under the rail.
They are minimal $23 for a set. The Festool are $39 a piece.
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Offline Festoolfootstool

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Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 04:29 AM »
Here is a picture of the DeWalt track-rail-clamps.
It's for one-handed operation for fast set-up and that's very handy when they are upside down under the rail.
They are minimal $23 for a set. The Festool are $39 a piece.



You cant argue with that..... but the festool quick clamps are a quality item. I'm not 100% sure but I think they are made by bessey
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Offline hrrb

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 04:36 AM »
Ouch...just checked the price on the Dewalt clamps that you can buy for $23.

$85 for a set here in Denmark!  [eek]

Sometimes I wish I lived in America!  [big grin]

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Offline Festoolfootstool

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Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 05:04 AM »
Ouch...just checked the price on the Dewalt clamps that you can buy for $23.

$85 for a set here in Denmark!  [eek]

Sometimes I wish I lived in America!  [big grin]

Kind regards
Henrik


Henrick the dewalt clamps are around the £36.00 mark here in the UK
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Offline Alex

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 05:18 AM »
.... but the festool quick clamps are a quality item. I'm not 100% sure but I think they are made by bessey

Yes, they are made by Bessey.

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Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 03:59 PM »
Here is a picture of the DeWalt track-rail-clamps.
It's for one-handed operation for fast set-up and that's very handy when they are upside down under the rail.
They are minimal $23 for a set. The Festool are $39 a piece.


Can anyone confirm that the DeWalt clamps fit in the Festool rail?
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Offline duburban

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Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 04:18 PM »
Here is a picture of the DeWalt track-rail-clamps.
It's for one-handed operation for fast set-up and that's very handy when they are upside down under the rail.
They are minimal $23 for a set. The Festool are $39 a piece.


Can anyone confirm that the DeWalt clamps fit in the Festool rail?



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Offline Martin Johnson

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Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 05:11 PM »
I use both the ratchet and the screw type.  The ratchet are more convenient and I prefer to use them, but there are times when the setup of the rail and space underneath required me to use the screw type...not enough room to use the full travel on the ratchet.  I've seen the Yellow brand, and my personal opinion is that the Festool are more robust than the Dewalt.  But if price was an issue, you probably wouldn't have bought Festool in the first place...my recommendation is stay with the green.

Offline Festoolfootstool

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 05:37 PM »
I use both the ratchet and the screw type.  The ratchet are more convenient and I prefer to use them, but there are times when the setup of the rail and space underneath required me to use the screw type...not enough room to use the full travel on the ratchet.  I've seen the Yellow brand, and my personal opinion is that the Festool are more robust than the Dewalt.  But if price was an issue, you probably wouldn't have bought Festool in the first place...my recommendation is stay with the green.



+1 you will still be using the festool quick clamps many years after the dewalt clamps have been bined and forgotten
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Offline Scott in Bend

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 05:41 PM »
I have both brands of the squeeze ratchet type rail clamps.  They both work in the rail, but the DeWalt's won't go through the MFT table top holes.

The main differences in rail use are that Festool's squeeze grip orientation is vertical and the DeWalt is horizontal.  I like the DeWalt's better because they are truly a one-handed operation clamp.

The DeWalt's are a bit more crudely made and have a clamping action feel much like an Irwin Quick-Grip type clamp.


Offline live4ever

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 06:30 PM »
Yes, the Dewalt clamps work with the Festool guide rail.  I really like mine - they are truly one handed and actually a lot sturdier than you might think.

I noticed the price has dropped by almost 33% on Amazon since I bought them.  I wonder if they have remade them with more plastic?  The photo you guys posted above looks to be a new version that appears to my eye more cheaply made, with more plastic.  Mine, which I bought in November from Amazon for $42, look like this:

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Offline wood pulp

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2012, 09:54 PM »
Yes, the Dewalt clamps work with the Festool guide rail.  I really like mine - they are truly one handed and actually a lot sturdier than you might think.

I noticed the price has dropped by almost 33% on Amazon since I bought them.  I wonder if they have remade them with more plastic?  The photo you guys posted above looks to be a new version that appears to my eye more cheaply made, with more plastic.  Mine, which I bought in November from Amazon for $42, look like this:




I just picked these up on Amazon for $32.00 with Free Shipping.  Hard to beat.

Offline alik

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2012, 10:22 PM »
Does anibdy have the Makita screw clamps? does it fit the festool rail?

Offline Dominion

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2012, 01:42 AM »
Almost certainly yes. The Makita and Festool rails are virtually identical, to the extent I use Festool connectors on my Makita rails.

Offline bermuda

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2012, 11:47 AM »
Yes, they don't work on the table just rails. I don't think you could break or bend them unless you jump
on them. THe Dewalt rail clamps are very handy and versatile compared to the Festool and I really don't
like yellow tools.

Offline rylim

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2019, 01:08 AM »
Does Dewalt rail clamp work on Bosch/ Mafell rail?
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2019, 09:06 AM »
It is possible to make your own clamps. I made a pair from a couple DeWalt squeeze clamps I had. Just cut the end of the bar off and welded it perpendicular to the end of the remaining bar. I had to do some very minor fitting to reduce the width of the bar to slide smoothly in the track. I did this with a smooth cut hand file and only removed maybe a mm or two. I posted something about this a couple years ago with photos. I will see if I can find the post and link to it here.

Edit(2nd attempt): I found the photos from when I made the clamps. I used some DeWalt small trigger clamps which I cut the end off and welded it back perpendicular to the clamp so it would run in the track. Required only slight adjustment in width to slide smoothly in the saw track. It also fits nicely in standard T-track.

The advantages are they are much smaller than the DeWalt clamps (see next to last photo for comparison next to a DeWalt track clamp) so they travel better since you can pack a pair in the box with the DeWalt TS but still have enough capacity (just shy of 6 inches) to handle most jobs plus for the cost of a inexpensive squeeze clamp and a couple minutes time you have a very serviceable track clamp for less than $6 each.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2019, 09:36 AM by Bob D. »
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Offline Longhair

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2019, 07:15 AM »
The only black and yellow I own are the rail clamps. Have used them for over 4 years with no problems. They see a lot of use and pack in the systainer with the saw.  I couldn't justify the price differential.

Offline JimD

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2019, 12:07 PM »
I have a DeWalt track saw with DeWalt track and clamps.  The only useful knowledge I have is of the clamps for this topic.  They are normal squeeze clamps similar to Irwin's clamps.  They are not as strong as steel clamps but I think they are easily sufficient to keep a track saw track in place.  I often do not use a clamp, sometimes I cannot, and usually that works fine.  But with the clamps in place I have never had the track move.  I think they will last indefinitely for this sort of use. 

I am not saying Festool clamps are not better.  I have their clamps for clamping pieces to a work table and I like them.  But DeWalt clamps for the guide rails are also fine clamps IMHO.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2019, 01:07 PM »
The main benefit of the Festool (screw) clamps is that they’re compact.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2019, 01:52 PM »
It is possible to make your own clamps. I made a pair from a couple DeWalt squeeze clamps I had. Just cut the end of the bar off and welded it perpendicular to the end of the remaining bar. I had to do some very minor fitting to reduce the width of the bar to slide smoothly in the track. I did this with a smooth cut hand file and only removed maybe a mm or two. I posted something about this a couple years ago with photos. I will see if I can find the post and link to it here.

Edit(2nd attempt): I found the photos from when I made the clamps. I used some DeWalt small trigger clamps which I cut the end off and welded it back perpendicular to the clamp so it would run in the track. Required only slight adjustment in width to slide smoothly in the saw track. It also fits nicely in standard T-track.

The advantages are they are much smaller than the DeWalt clamps (see next to last photo for comparison next to a DeWalt track clamp) so they travel better since you can pack a pair in the box with the DeWalt TS but still have enough capacity (just shy of 6 inches) to handle most jobs plus for the cost of a inexpensive squeeze clamp and a couple minutes time you have a very serviceable track clamp for less than $6 each.


I did a similar thing with some Quick-Grip clamps. I saw the idea on the internet. In my case your heated and bent the clamp bar 90 degrees and filed it a bit to fit the track. Made a set of 4 - very handy!

Mike

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2019, 11:45 AM »
Does Dewalt rail clamp work on Bosch/ Mafell rail?
Hard to imagine anyone who has ever used the Festool quick clamps regularly would want to have anything to do with those crappy squeeze clamps. I hate them with a passion and absolutely love the Festool quick clamps. The price is a bit stupid in Canada now though at $63, so I just tell people to pickup the Bessey version for $23 less, which is literally identical aside from color: Bessey BES-GTR16S6H

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2019, 04:44 PM »
Yeah, I can't figure it out either. It's hard to imagine people wouldn't want to spend $125 for a pair of clamps when they could make something that works just as well for $15 then spend the savings on something else.
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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2019, 02:20 AM »
Just cut the end of the bar off and welded it perpendicular to the end of the remaining bar. I had to do some very minor fitting to reduce the width of the bar to slide smoothly in the track. I did this with a smooth cut hand file and only removed maybe a mm or two.
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It's hard to imagine people wouldn't want to spend $125 for a pair of clamps when they could make something that works just as well for $15 then spend the savings on something else.
$125 vs $15? The Bessey are $40/ea and the Festool are $42/ea. The Dewalt are $35/pair. Price difference of $45 for a pair.

You've also placed a zero value on your work time here, though I'm not sure why given the setup, cutting, welding, filing.
Those cheapo type of squeeze clamps don't last unless you're just the occasional hobbiest. Most who have used them have had to throw some out eventually when they break or are always slipping. They're just not built to last, as quick to use, or capable of the clamping strength or reliability provided by the Bessey or Festool quick clamps. I use the quick clamps for all sorts of things and am about to order more. Best advice I could give to anyone is don't cheap out on the quick clamps, and just buy the Bessey if you're in Canada where they inflated the price.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Festool / DeWalt guide rail clamps
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2019, 06:01 AM »
"$125 vs $15?"

Yes, the pair that I made cost me less than $15.
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