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Offline jarbroen

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Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« on: April 09, 2021, 11:51 AM »
I'm looking at replacing my 36mm hose on my CT26 with a newer braided style hose.  My question for anyone that has the newer 36mm(non-tapered) is whether it's any more flexible or less unwieldy than the 36mm anti static I have now?  I'm constantly frustrated with ribs catching on material and how stiff it is and hard to keep out of my way.
Normally, I'd go try one out locally for myself, but this has been a weird 12+ months...

I really like the new braided, tapered hose that came with the new style MIDI I purchased last year.  Makes me realize how much of a PITA my ribbed hose is on the CT26.  I'll cut the old 36 down for a Kapex hose and whatever extensions I might need for other things.
I'd consider another tapered hose for the 26, but I'm thinking the straight 36mm hose might be a bit better for routers and track saw.

Thanks!
« Last Edit: April 09, 2021, 12:23 PM by jarbroen »

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Offline guybo

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2021, 12:13 PM »
Hi, the new hose flexibilty is unknown to me, however the new is just a sleeved rib hose. this is a option, I would also suggest item 768135 for the 36mm hose either way. guy

Offline jarbroen

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2021, 12:25 PM »
I actually have the Tekflex and tried that out way before braided Festool hoses were a thing.  It made the 36mm hose even stiffer and harder to work with.

Offline rst

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2021, 12:30 PM »
The new braided hoses are much more flexible.  I have couple Techflexed hoses and they are miles less flexible

Offline elfick

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2021, 12:40 PM »
I agree with others. I think the new hoses are a huge improvement. IMHO, they also have less "memory" than the previous hoses. I'd suggest looking at one of the larger cleaning kits that will get you a hose, a large systainer, and some nice attachments for not a whole lot more than just the cost of the hose.

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2021, 12:41 PM »
I have both the old style ribbed AS D36 and the new style D36. The new is waaaaaaaaaay more flexible than the old. Also incredibly resistant to shape / curve memory. You can bend it anyway you want and it will pretty much stay. The new type D36 is actually more flexible than the old D27.

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Offline Peter_C

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2021, 01:44 PM »
I would recommend the 5 meter version for a D36 hose. The extra length is very nice to have. I call mine an anaconda as it slithers around it is so flexible.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2021, 02:32 PM »
I recently purchased the 7 meter version to use for general basement/shop cleanup...it’s really nice.
I Techflexed the original hose and it stiffened it up to the point where it’s not very nice to use.

Offline jonnyrocket

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2021, 02:35 PM »
I too have both the old ribbed style and new woven version of the 36mm hoses. As Seth mentioned, the new woven one is miles and miles better than the ribbed style. Probably the only advantage of the old style is if you plan to cut it down and make a short custom hose for a Kapex (or something of that sort). Otherwise, the woven hose will be the winner in all other comparisons. Definitely worth the money.


Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2021, 02:42 PM »
I agree with others. I think the new hoses are a huge improvement. IMHO, they also have less "memory" than the previous hoses. I'd suggest looking at one of the larger cleaning kits that will get you a hose, a large systainer, and some nice attachments for not a whole lot more than just the cost of the hose.

That's what I did, sort of by accident though. I got the cleaning kit to be able to clean up, especially on the carpet, in the new offices. I lot of cabinets, counter tops, and other built-ins were installed during the move. I much as you try to keep clean while working, a good way to finish it up after is better. I only happened onto the idea of the bigger hose with the tools came one day when the OF1400 was putting out more than the smaller 27mm tool hose could handle.
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2021, 03:20 PM »
Not to forget the non antistatic grey hose. It is really light, much more flexible than the old ribbed antistatic and is a great all rounder when you do not need AS, and it’s cheaper.

If you buy the 7m version, and you want a meter for the Kapex, there’s still 6m left very useful:

https://www.festoolusa.com/accessory/452885---d-36x7m#Overview
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Offline Samo

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2021, 03:22 PM »
I'm looking at updating also.  I do wish Festool would make a Plug-it hose that integrates the cord with the hose.

Good info but I wish I hadn't read this thread $$
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Offline Blues

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2021, 05:33 PM »
The planex hose is absolutely fantastic..its light..super flexible but is ribbed and does catch on the edges. Maybe the Gorilla sleeve on top could be the best of all worlds?  [big grin]

Offline jarbroen

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2021, 05:41 PM »
Thanks for all the replies!  My wallet won’t thank you, though. Lol

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2021, 05:42 PM »
I agree with others. I think the new hoses are a huge improvement. IMHO, they also have less "memory" than the previous hoses. I'd suggest looking at one of the larger cleaning kits that will get you a hose, a large systainer, and some nice attachments for not a whole lot more than just the cost of the hose.

True, the cleaning sets offers much improved value, especially if you’d fancy a large systainer too.
After som long and hard consideration I have two sets sitting in a UPS warehouse at the moment, one of the universal D36 cleaning set and a professional set with the braided hose, steel floor nozzle and tubes. Both in a SYS3. I plan to sell off my old steel nozzle and tubes, as the “handle’s” hose attachment is just annoying, and just keeping the old AS hose on the boom arm.
Too bad the sets exists only with 3,5m hoses.. I’d like to see at least one cleaning set with 5 or 7m hose.
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Offline binettea

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2021, 06:06 PM »
Really like my braided 5m D36 and 3.5m D27.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2021, 06:18 PM »
Not to forget the non antistatic grey hose. It is really light, much more flexible than the old ribbed antistatic and is a great all rounder when you do not need AS, and it’s cheaper.

If you buy the 7m version, and you want a meter for the Kapex, there’s still 6m left very useful:

https://www.festoolusa.com/accessory/452885---d-36x7m#Overview

That's what I use on my router table, the standard short version.
I'm still undecided on the longer hoses. Sometimes it would be great, others just in the way.
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Offline jarbroen

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2021, 10:50 AM »
I was eyeballing the workshop kit with the metal nozzle.  I currently have the tradesman set from buying the set to get the ribbed 36mm hose. The plastic floor nozzle is ok, but not great.
And, I can sell off the Systainer that I don’t need which keeps my investment lower.

Still not sure whether I will invest in the boom arm set. I have non plug it tools that I use frequently so the boom arm wouldn’t be as convenient as just getting a snag free, flexible hose.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2021, 01:10 PM »
I was eyeballing the workshop kit with the metal nozzle.  I currently have the tradesman set from buying the set to get the ribbed 36mm hose. The plastic floor nozzle is ok, but not great.
And, I can sell off the Systainer that I don’t need which keeps my investment lower.

Still not sure whether I will invest in the boom arm set. I have non plug it tools that I use frequently so the boom arm wouldn’t be as convenient as just getting a snag free, flexible hose.

I think the tradesman set is with the cheapish floor nozzle? I have the same, came at a “bargain” buy from my dealer. It’s floor nozzle is narrow and very plasticy. It’s ok for clean up on non concrete floor, or at least a floor that’s gentle.. otherwise it will wear, fast.

The universal cleaning set contains the much more to like and substantially better floor nozzle WITH wheels and tough thick plastic housing. In Europe we call it “Parquet nozzle” because of the wheels that let the brush hoover over the floor. It’s the same with the “professional” metal nozzle. Only this has adjustable height on the wheels. It’s not so gentle with furniture as it’s plastic sibling, and the most suitable for untreated/raw concrete floor.

I’ve placed my boom arm centrally in my very small shop.. it can reach all stations easily, and I’m working around the abilities and ease of dust extraction it can provide. I’m soon finishing dc from my drill press - I’ll post as soon as I’m ready  [smile]

Se photo from Festool USA below.
(The metal 50mm nozzle is a viable option with a 50mm hose  [cool])
The red X is the “included but not so durable” from the tradesman kit I believe.
The D36 BD 300 is noticeable wider with its 30mm extra from the D36 BD 270. The BD 270 feels like a upholstery nozzle in comparison... [huh]

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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2021, 09:13 AM »
Thought I’d add comparison images of 3 of Festool’s most common nozzles.
The with measured is 260, 300 and 370mm
The 300mm nozzle is substantially better in all departments compared to the smallest, which do also is missing wheels.







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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2021, 10:37 AM »
Made by Wessel-Werk.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2021, 05:48 PM »
Made by Wessel-Werk.

Yup, and all these can be found on Nilfisk’s vacs too. Could be way cheaper to buy Nilfisk (they don’t print their name on them)
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Offline Coen

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2021, 06:53 PM »
the new is just a sleeved rib hose

It actually isn't...

It really is way better than a 'sleeved rib hose'.

Thought I’d add comparison images of 3 of Festool’s most common nozzles.
The with measured is 260, 300 and 370mm
The 300mm nozzle is substantially better in all departments compared to the smallest, which do also is missing wheels.

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Very nice comparison. Isn't the smallest one 270 instead of 260?
The 370 being the #452908
The 300 being the #452907
The 270 being the #452906

I own the 370 and the 270, but from some family members that use my stuff I always get the complaint that the 270 "is much better" [sad]

The 270' lower side can be changed between bristles, rubber flaps and a hard thingy for carpet.

I think a few  years ago the choice in the metal ones was bigger??

For 50mm there is also the 450 wide #452910

Also note that the 50mm cleaning set D 50 GS-RS #454770 contains the D 50 QD and the D 50 BD 370 (comparable to the D 36 BD 300), neither being available separately (except throught EKAT ofcourse). I guess they don't sell that much 50mm stuff.

I have some 50mm stuff, but am missing the hose. For years already. Can't really justify spending 200 bucks on a 4m 50mm AS hose...

There is a conical 51-38mm hose from Airbo, but no idea how that connects...
« Last Edit: May 09, 2021, 07:19 PM by Coen »

Offline jarbroen

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2021, 01:31 PM »
Thanks to all who gave positive feedback on the new 36mm hose I ordered the Workshop kit.
Funny as it sounds, this is the most excited I've been about a tool accessory.  LOL

I was pleasantly surprised to see all the changes that Festool has implemented with the new kit.
The new hose also has a suble, twist lock type fitting which corresponds to the twist lock on the handle attachment.
I also like that the handle has a slider to open up airflow.  I imagine this will come in handy if I get any blockage.

The new kit also comes in a Sys version 3.  Not sure if I'll keep that since I don't store the hose/tools in it.  And the Systainer 4/5, whatever the new size is, makes for a bulky box to store other items.

The part I'm also super excited about is the Workshop wand.  Man!  That thing works so much better than the plastic one that came with the Tradesman kit.  The plastic head just pushed dirt around my shop and was constantly getting clogged.
The metal head glides above with the wheels and grabs the dust/debris with a pass or two.

Also, the new hose is most definitely more flexible/easy to use as mentioned by other posters.  I was always swearing at the ribbed 36mm.  The new hose just goes where I want, no fuss, no muss.
It's funny how those seemingly expensive accessories end up making a simple task much easier and/or more enjoyable.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2021, 06:13 PM »
It is, an excellent kit, the new edition makes all the difference. I’ve compared to some of the quality kit that for central vacuums, and considering that it comes in a useful box, a nozzle that’s probably the only which can survive a rough concrete floor, the price isn’t bad.

I did some light sanding on top of my MFT today, and it stroke me how stiff and rigid the old ribbed AS hose is. It’s just bearable since it’s on the boom arm, but still.. after getting used to either the grey plastic hose or the new AS hose it’s a world of difference.

I jumped the wagon and did order the other kit too with the ordinary grey hose with plastic tubes and the 300mm nozzle + the brush and furniture nozzle. I really needed a dedicated kit for my home as I’m without a regular household vac for the moment, and are using my CT MIDI and CT SYS as it suits. It too is perfect for lighter duty.

@Coen I did measure the “270” with a tape measure, but it was with the brush attachment, I think with the carpet attachment it could be easily 10mm wider...
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Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2021, 09:10 AM »
The part I'm also super excited about is the Workshop wand.  Man!  That thing works so much better than the plastic one that came with the Tradesman kit.  The plastic head just pushed dirt around my shop and was constantly getting clogged.
The metal head glides above with the wheels and grabs the dust/debris with a pass or two.

@jarbroen Thats good to hear.  I had the Tradesman kit but the plastic wand pieces kept separating during operation, so it went back.  You don't see anything like that with the metal version? 

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2021, 10:28 AM »
I have the older version with the ridged hose, and all metal wand (not the plastic curved wand).  The straight metal sections stay together very well, and can actually sometimes be difficult to get apart to go back in the Systainer.

Offline jarbroen

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2021, 10:30 AM »
The part I'm also super excited about is the Workshop wand.  Man!  That thing works so much better than the plastic one that came with the Tradesman kit.  The plastic head just pushed dirt around my shop and was constantly getting clogged.
The metal head glides above with the wheels and grabs the dust/debris with a pass or two.

@jarbroen Thats good to hear.  I had the Tradesman kit but the plastic wand pieces kept separating during operation, so it went back.  You don't see anything like that with the metal version?

@Rick Herrick  The metal tubes lock together really well, I don't see them coming apart.  Even the tradesman kit I had a hard time pulling the metal sections apart when I wanted to.  I did have a problem where the hose wouldn't stay on the wand with the Tradesman kit.  Any kind of tension and it popped off.  The new locking profile seems like it will prevent that from happening on the wand.  I also like that the twist lock style isn't quite as aggressive as the version used on the 27mm ends.  That one can be kind of a PITA because it's so stiff.  The 36mm version seems like it's functional, but much more flexible and easy to connect.

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2021, 01:09 PM »
Thank you for the info.  I think the wand is more important to me than any of it.

Offline Coen

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Re: Festool 36mm(straight) braided hose
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2021, 01:18 PM »
I have the older version with the ridged hose, and all metal wand (not the plastic curved wand).  The straight metal sections stay together very well, and can actually sometimes be difficult to get apart to go back in the Systainer.

Same, but the negative is that the curved metal part doesn't have the valve in order to 'release' stuff that is being sucked up but can't get in / isn't supposed to be sucked up... like towels, curtains, etc.