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Offline hammy

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Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« on: January 13, 2021, 06:48 PM »
Since I received such great advice in my first post: https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/which-sander-to-buy-first!-first-post-in-the-forum/,  I'm already looking ahead to my next potential purchase, which is the Domino 500.  It really is amazing what this machine can do from watching videos and whatnot but my question is can it totally replace the mortise and tenon (and almost every other hand made) joint?  As a novice weekend warrior who is late to the woodworking game I've been using a lot of pocket screw joinery and have not evolved into actual skilled hand made joinery and if I could just evolve into using the Domino that would be great.  My furniture projects so far turn out great with pocket screws carefully placed but I think I could really up my game with the Domino! 

Look forward to all comments and suggestions, thank you. 

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Offline afish

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2021, 07:34 PM »
The Domino and Mafell DDf40 are both great each has there own pluses and minuses but I would classify both as game changing tools.  The Domino was actually the first festool I purchased.  Im sure you will find many uses for one once you own it. 

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2021, 07:44 PM »
Yes, it is a game changing thing. The DF500 was my first Festool purchase too. I got it in '14 and have been very happy with it ever since. I wish I had done it years before.
The TS55 is high on the list too.
CSX
DF500 + assortment set
PS420 + Base kit
OF1010
OF1400
MFK700
TS55, FS1080, FS1400 holey, FS1900, FS3000
CT26E + Workshop cleaning set
RO90
RO125
ETS EC 125
RAS115
ETS 125 (2)

Offline CeeJay

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2021, 07:53 PM »
I learned traditional M&T first, and then how to use the DF500. I use both now depending on application.

For instance for this outdoor table top I used 88 10mm x 50mm sapele dominoes to assemble it:



But for the frame I needed large tenons for strength (50mm deep x 45mm high x 12.5mm wide on the long sides), so I did these the traditional way:


 
Plus I made some 10mm ebony dowels to pin the tenons for additional strength given it will be moved around quite a lot.



I think that even if I had a DF700 I would probably still have done these large tenons the traditional way.



Hope that helps!


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Offline Josh2

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2021, 08:31 PM »
The Df500 is a game changer and certainly a great purchase. But I also want to say that it’s easy to overlook the variety and beauty of joints when you get started and think that the DF500 can just do everything. I got serious about woodworking as a hobby maybe a little more than a year ago. Bought a DF500 and thought that I will do everything with it. I still use it a lot but I also learned about all the other joint. I thought I will do our solid white oak kitchen drawers with it but quickly changed to box joint, which looks way better. I thought I will do mid-panel joints for shelf’s but switched to the 32mm system for cabinets. That all might sound silly to the pros but when you get started it’s easy so think about the Df500 as the ultimate solution to everything.

Offline grbmds

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2021, 12:27 AM »
For standard hidden mortise and tenon joints, I'd say the Domino could replace them. However, if you plan to use exposed mortise and tenon joinery, like in Arts and Crafts or Mission furniture, you won't be able to do those with a Domino (unless you make your own dominos to match whatever style of exposed joinery you are into). The Domino is one of the most useful and innovative tools I've ever owned. It allows me easily and quickly create joints that might take much longer to do with other methods. It allows me to design things that I wouldn't otherwise necessarily attempt. Again, though, I know of no tool I own which satisfies all my woodworking needs for that type of tool.
Randy

Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2021, 10:09 AM »
I will go so far to say that the Domino (either version) is the one Festool tool that is a good purchase even for folks who prefer tool brands of different colors. I made an error in judgement for waiting too long to acquire mine. (I have the D700 XL)
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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2021, 03:38 PM »
I also put off buying the Domino 500 due to cost and that I was ok with traditional mortise tenon joints.

Once I got the 500, I regretted not doing so earlier. I later got the 700 for building some big stuff.

There is a learning curve for both machines. Watch videos and practice on scrap.

Stay away from post market accessories until you have used the machine for a while. I have a drawer full of neat accessories that are very dusty. The one accessory I do use is the Big Foot. It adds stability to some. Cuts.

I don’t know what tools you own, but I usually advise new woodworkers to buy a Woodpecker square, Starret combination square, and Lie Nielsen block and bench planes.
Birdhunter

Offline RussellS

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2021, 05:41 PM »
This might be a post I should not make because I do not own a Domino.  But I agree with all of the prior responses.  I'm going to equate my Dewalt biscuit joiner to the Domino.  I know, sacrilege.  But long ago I got the biscuit joiner and it made lots of things easier.  Lining up boards so they were flat and joining wood together invisible.  It took a lot of thought, worry, trouble out of lots of mundane tasks.  I think the Domino does that.  But as others said, it does not do everything and there are many times you will use another method.  And that is OK.  But you probably could use the Domino too.

The Domino might be kind of like those $80,000 four door pick-ups you see everywhere now.  It can haul lots of people.  It can haul lots of stuff either in the backseat or box.  It can pull trailers.  With 4x4 it can go anywhere off road or in snow.  And being $80,000 it has leather and stereos and bluetooth and every other luxury on earth.  So it kind of replaces the minivan and replaces the work truck and replaces the SUV and replaces the luxury Cadillac sedan too.  Sort of the one vehicle to rule/subjugate them all.  Kind of like the Domino for joints.  And woodworking is about joints.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2021, 06:18 PM »
Funny in that I own both Dominos and the Mafell dowel machine, but I still dig out my DeWalt biscuit machine occasionally. Confession, I own two DeWalt biscuit machines. One regular size and one for wee biscuits.
Birdhunter

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2021, 08:10 PM »
I had a Dewalt biscuit joiner and used it frequently for years, but after losing it in a fire, I have not replaced it.
There are things the DF500 can do that the biscuit joiner cannot, but not the other way around. There is nothing you "need" a biscuit joiner for if you have a DF500.
Now a Lamello Zeta P-2 is a completely different thing. They are fantastic too.
CSX
DF500 + assortment set
PS420 + Base kit
OF1010
OF1400
MFK700
TS55, FS1080, FS1400 holey, FS1900, FS3000
CT26E + Workshop cleaning set
RO90
RO125
ETS EC 125
RAS115
ETS 125 (2)

Offline hammy

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 07:10 PM »
This might be a post I should not make because I do not own a Domino.  But I agree with all of the prior responses.  I'm going to equate my Dewalt biscuit joiner to the Domino.  I know, sacrilege.  But long ago I got the biscuit joiner and it made lots of things easier.  Lining up boards so they were flat and joining wood together invisible.  It took a lot of thought, worry, trouble out of lots of mundane tasks.  I think the Domino does that.  But as others said, it does not do everything and there are many times you will use another method.  And that is OK.  But you probably could use the Domino too.

The Domino might be kind of like those $80,000 four door pick-ups you see everywhere now.  It can haul lots of people.  It can haul lots of stuff either in the backseat or box.  It can pull trailers.  With 4x4 it can go anywhere off road or in snow.  And being $80,000 it has leather and stereos and bluetooth and every other luxury on earth.  So it kind of replaces the minivan and replaces the work truck and replaces the SUV and replaces the luxury Cadillac sedan too.  Sort of the one vehicle to rule/subjugate them all.  Kind of like the Domino for joints.  And woodworking is about joints.

I've got the pickup so I can relate to the Domino comparison!

Offline mkasdin

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Re: Domino DF 500 - Second Post!
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 10:06 PM »
I can relate I’ve got a $800 truck so it’s more like the Dewalt biscuit joiner. 2004 Ford F-150 270,000 miles supercab. Paid for many years ago, so no payments and no insurance on the vehicle. It ain’t pretty but it runs, tows, hauls ...
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