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Offline tbhults

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Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« on: May 11, 2014, 04:09 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I know that this question has been posed repeatedly, but I still wanted to put it out there hoping that experienced users can speak to my context.  I'm the PM for Precision Innovations NYC in Brooklyn/Manhattan and 90% of our projects are designing/building out restaurants, bars, tap-houses, and commercial kitchens (with the occasional retail store or food cart).  We design and fabricate as much as possible in-house and generally oversee all aspects of each project.  In terms of fabrication we have to build tables, benches, bar tops, wine racks, etc (most stock here is between 1/2-5/4).  On a smaller scale we fabricate windows, doors, and pilasters, but a bar/restaurants requires far few windows/doors (most stock is 3/4-2-1/2).  In terms of volume we build far more table-tops, benches, etc.  The 700 seems like it's not nearly as versatile, but it could prove indispensable for the larger projects we build.  Given what we do if you had to buy one which would it be?  I've watched all of Paul-Marcel's videos on the Domino Joiners and while they're excellent (like all his videos) it didn't really help me figure out which one to buy.  I'm leaning towards the 500 with the idea that I can always double up the smaller dominos for beefier joints, but obviously can't shrink larger dominos.  As a side note I'm planning to use whichever machine we buy with a CT 26.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2014, 08:37 PM by tbhults »

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Offline Colonel Panic

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2014, 04:48 PM »
Start with the 700 and get the Seneca Woodworking cutter adapters which will add to the versatility. This will get you all the way down to 5mm cutter. They have other items that are quite usefully like Domishims.

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Offline NYC Tiny Shop

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2014, 05:00 PM »
In your situation, I agree with Colonel Panic. The 700 with the after-market bits almost gives you the versatility of both machines. I own both the 500 and 700 machines ( I'm just a one-man shop) and often have them both set up, with two different bits for the same build, in order to expedite the process.  With the extent of tasks that your shop is undertaking, I think that you will eventually profit from owning both the 500 and 700.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2014, 05:04 PM by NYC Tiny Shop »

Offline tbhults

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2014, 05:02 PM »
I've held both of them and was a little put off by the size of the DF 700 knowing there are times where we'll be cutting hundreds of joints at a time...

Offline NYC Tiny Shop

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2014, 05:07 PM »
FWIW, I was put off by the size, at first...but, when I found the balance, it became quite comfortable and preferable to use. I wouldn't build a large door, or anything heavy, with a 500.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2014, 05:15 PM by NYC Tiny Shop »

Offline jacko9

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2014, 05:20 PM »
I have both machines and the DF700 is not a problem at all, In fact I like the balance better than the smaller machine.  When the DF700 first came out I was hesitant because of the weight but after using it, it's my favorite.  For the projects that you mentioned the DF700 will do all but the smaller DF500 will leave you wanting the bigger Domino.

Jack

Offline Sparky

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2014, 05:36 PM »
It was mentioned  with the  adapter you could go to a 5mm bit but I believe With the rts adapter from Seneca woodworking it will actually let you use all the bits including the 4 mm.
Ct 36, Ets 150/3, OF1400, Lr32 Set, domino 700 set, hl850, ts 75,Dts 400, kapex

Offline w802h

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2014, 06:02 PM »
I'm adding a 700 to my 500 for the added depth of mortise required for door building.  I've used a variety of set-ups with drill bits, chisels, and router bits to get deeper mortises than my 500, but I see productivity gains (albeit not cost effective for me at first) in the larger machine that will lead to more interesting or different projects.  I'm a small operation, but particularly if you have lots of employees, I would think there would be productivity gains by standardizing the joining method for all projects - not just in one tool.  Without being able to comment on the ergonomics of the larger machine, I wouldn't want to get rid of my 500.  In short, in a production environment I think both tools would pay dividends beyond just an individual tool's ability (training, workflow, workstation set-up, etc, etc). 

Offline shed9

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2014, 06:26 PM »
I'm another 500 and 700 (plus the XL Seneca accessories) owner and find the 700 has the slight advantage. It is more ergonomic and despite the initial concerns of weight for most people I would say this is a positive as the weight directly equates to more stability.

My own advice would be to get a 700 XL, the RTS adapter & Domi-shims from Seneca, a selection of Domino Systainer assortments and most definitely get the CT - good DC is crucial to the Domino.

With the current 10% deals you guys have in the states, now is the time to buy. Am I right in thinking you will also get 5% of a DC at time of purchase?



Offline Cort

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2014, 07:49 PM »
it depends on what size stock you are using.  If you work with mainly 3/4" thick stock, then the 500 is for you.  If you tend to build with thicker stock, then the 700 might be right.

Offline tbhults

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2014, 08:40 PM »
3/4-1-1/2 is the range that i'd call the sweet spot for us, but we work with plenty of larger sizes.  I just built a frame for a mobile food stand out of 4x8's.

Offline jacko9

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2014, 08:46 PM »
3/4-1-1/2 is the range that i'd call the sweet spot for us, but we work with plenty of larger sizes.  I just built a frame for a mobile food stand out of 4x8's.

That's where the DF700 shines.  As far as weight goes, I'm almost 70 years old and I have no issues using the larger Domino all day.  If you find it too bulky then, you can always reserve it for the heaviest cuts and buy the DF500 for long repeatable cuts in smaller stock.

Jack

Offline bkharman

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2014, 08:58 PM »
I have said it repeatedly...  The 700 is in a class of its own. Just this weekend I used it to start building a doll bed for my daughter with 4 and 5mm dominoes. Then I took it outside to repair some stuff on their playground using 8 and 12 mm ones.

I agree that with the plates and adapter, there isn't much it can't do. It is the most gentle beast you will ever use.

I also will say that just holding it isn't a selling point. I use it all the time and the heft is what makes it so much better. That and the fence, the added depth stops, the pins, the power, the fence and the fence. :)

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Offline Kev

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Re: Domino 500 Vis-a-Vis 700 Which One's For Me?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2014, 06:49 AM »
I've got a very unhelpful response to this question ...

BOTH.

Sometimes the 700 with the cutter adaptor and smaller cutters will be a good option ... even better that the 500 when it's heft is a benefit, but the 500 is still a better tool than the 700 when you want to do small tenons and the weight/bulk is an issue.

Put it this way, you could probably do all of your routing with a monster +2000w router if you had to ... but you just wouldn't!