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Offline wayneredwards

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CTM 26 110v Technical question
« on: February 01, 2019, 02:30 PM »
We have just urchased the above and the website staes the power take off at 2400w after unboxing the machine is saying the max is 500w The machine is a 110v with 110v outlet have I misread something here ???

 Max. appliance socket connected load
2400.00 W



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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 05:12 PM »
The brochure states 2400 watt, and that’s for the 26, 36 and 48


Offline usernumber1

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 06:34 PM »
500W where does it show that??

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2019, 07:18 PM »
You appear to be in the UK so us on this side of the pond will have to defer to those on your side for answers / advice.

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Offline wayneredwards

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2019, 02:36 AM »
500W where does it show that??

On the actual extractor just above the 110v socket

Offline Distinctive Interiors

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2019, 03:18 AM »
I had a similar question yesterday.....

I have been looking at buying one of the new CTM Midi's that are due to be released for sale over here in March.I need a 110v option for site work.
I looked at the Festool UK website and it stated that the maximum appliance load was only 770w......!!!!!
The 2019 Festool brochure states a maximum of 2200w load for the new Midi.

I contacted Festool UK for clarification and they told me that ......." it was a misprint and that any of our power tools can be plugged into our extractors"

I'm waiting to hear back from my local Festool Technical Rep for him to confirm before I place my pre-order.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2019, 04:33 AM by Distinctive Interiors »

Offline usernumber1

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2019, 04:09 AM »

Offline wayneredwards

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2019, 07:34 AM »
500W where does it show that??

On the actual extractor just above the 110v socket

oohh. maybe this is relevant to you

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/ctl-dust-extractor-max-on-board-socket-load/

Thanks, I phoned N&B where I bought it from apparently they make one socket and one only and has a 500 watt sticker he has assured me that it is 2400w  but if using a tool above 1500w use a 5Kva transformer as may lose some suction power, I can sleepbetter tonight now. And I will have to explain all this to the two joiners on Monday morning when I present them with the shiny machines  [big grin]

Offline wayneredwards

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2019, 07:43 AM »
I had a similar question yesterday.....

I have been looking at buying one of the new CTM Midi's that are due to be released for sale over here in March.I need a 110v option for site work.
I looked at the Festool UK website and it stated that the maximum appliance load was only 770w......!!!!!
The 2019 Festool brochure states a maximum of 2200w load for the new Midi.

I contacted Festool UK for clarification and they told me that ......." it was a misprint and that any of our power tools can be plugged into our extractors"

I'm waiting to hear back from my local Festool Technical Rep for him to confirm before I place my pre-order.

I spoke to N&B and assured me this was a misake from Festool, I will sleep better tonight now..

Offline demographic

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2019, 06:10 PM »
I have that machine 8n the UK running off 110 volts.
It copes with the extractor and my TS55 off a 3.2 Kva transformer as long as the leads are short.
Long leads and it hunts for revs.
Having a 32 amp plug to 16 amp socket flylead is handy and means I get to plug into the hardly used sockets on site..

In short using 16 amp sockets off a little transformer and long leads is a hiding to nowhere.

Offline Mjw1999

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2020, 05:16 PM »
Personally I think the 500w maximum load on the110v extractors is correct as they come with a 16amp plug and a cable probably only good for 16 amp too. @ 500 watts + the extractor running at 1200watts this is a 15.5 amp load and thus it’s maxed out.
If it was correct that the 110v extractor could take a 2400w appliance this would obviously be a total of 3600w and on a 110v system a load of just over 32amps so a complete no no. I learnt the hard way and fried my of2200 by running it through the extractor🙈 expensive mistake to say the least.

Offline Cypren

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2020, 06:15 PM »
It made me cringe when Sedge plugged the OF 2200 into his CT in the recent Festool Live tutorial video. I realize he knew the draw on the motor would be within limits, but yikes! Don’t teach the kids bad habits!

Offline Coen

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2020, 09:13 AM »
Last time this was discussed the 110v extractors had a thicker powercord than the 230v ones. Not sure about the plug though... the UK plugs are fused, right?

Life is so much easier with 230v  [wink]

Personally I think the 500w maximum load on the110v extractors is correct as they come with a 16amp plug and a cable probably only good for 16 amp too. @ 500 watts + the extractor running at 1200watts this is a 15.5 amp load and thus it’s maxed out.
If it was correct that the 110v extractor could take a 2400w appliance this would obviously be a total of 3600w and on a 110v system a load of just over 32amps so a complete no no. I learnt the hard way and fried my of2200 by running it through the extractor🙈 expensive mistake to say the least.

No way you fried your OF2200 by running it through the extractor.

Offline Mjw1999

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2020, 03:22 PM »
Last time this was discussed the 110v extractors had a thicker powercord than the 230v ones. Not sure about the plug though... the UK plugs are fused, right?

Life is so much easier with 230v  [wink]

Personally I think the 500w maximum load on the110v extractors is correct as they come with a 16amp plug and a cable probably only good for 16 amp too. @ 500 watts + the extractor running at 1200watts this is a 15.5 amp load and thus it’s maxed out.
If it was correct that the 110v extractor could take a 2400w appliance this would obviously be a total of 3600w and on a 110v system a load of just over 32amps so a complete no no. I learnt the hard way and fried my of2200 by running it through the extractor🙈 expensive mistake to say the least.

No way you fried your OF2200 by running it through the extractor.

Well there both relatively new products, of2200 being only six months old. How else would you suggest it happened?
Just got a puff of smoke from the motor and now it’s completely jammed when you press the trigger.
The kapex also runs slower than normal when plugged through the extractor. I’m pretty sure there is a voltage drop of some sort when you try and put that much load through the extractor when using 110v tools

Offline Coen

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2020, 05:58 AM »
Last time this was discussed the 110v extractors had a thicker powercord than the 230v ones. Not sure about the plug though... the UK plugs are fused, right?

Life is so much easier with 230v  [wink]

Personally I think the 500w maximum load on the110v extractors is correct as they come with a 16amp plug and a cable probably only good for 16 amp too. @ 500 watts + the extractor running at 1200watts this is a 15.5 amp load and thus it’s maxed out.
If it was correct that the 110v extractor could take a 2400w appliance this would obviously be a total of 3600w and on a 110v system a load of just over 32amps so a complete no no. I learnt the hard way and fried my of2200 by running it through the extractor🙈 expensive mistake to say the least.

No way you fried your OF2200 by running it through the extractor.

Well there both relatively new products, of2200 being only six months old. How else would you suggest it happened?
Just got a puff of smoke from the motor and now it’s completely jammed when you press the trigger.
The kapex also runs slower than normal when plugged through the extractor. I’m pretty sure there is a voltage drop of some sort when you try and put that much load through the extractor when using 110v tools

Well, there is the issue of circuit impedance. With half the voltage you get double the current for the same power. Double the current on a circuit with the same impedance is double the voltage loss, but since the voltage was already half, relative it's four times as much loss.

That you got a puff of smoke from the motor has absolutely nothing to do with it running through the extractor.

Offline kevinculle

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2020, 11:15 AM »
I just checked and my US spec CT26E power cord is labeled 12/3 so that component is adequate for 20A total load into the machine.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: CTM 26 110v Technical question
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2020, 01:35 PM »
I don't own one, but it looks like the OF 2200 comes with a NEMA 5-15 plug.   Thus it plugs into a CT.  If this was going to be an issue, Festool would have shipped the OF 2200 with a NEMA 5-20 plug, which would prevent you from plugging into a CT, or they would have modified it to be an "OF 1800" to limit the amps.

You will almost never hit full power, if you do, a breaker will trip, and your start again.   

Breakers have time constants, you can go well above the amperage of the circuit for a period of time, and most the time your draw goes down before getting to the point of tripping the breaker.

Festool would have just caused themselves massive issues with the CTs if they couldn't handle anything with a 5-15plug on it. You can't have a plug that is designed for 15A and put a sticker next to it that says "use no more than X amps, please".  It's not going to happen.