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Offline Billy stray

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Corner grooving ?
« on: June 25, 2015, 09:09 PM »
Does the mfk 700 have a corner grooving attachment ? The kind used when weather stripping entry doors ?
Billy

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Offline Brent Taylor

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2015, 09:47 PM »
If you are making the jambs, you can do it with your table saw or a router.  If you're doing  weatherstripping on an installed frame I used a track saw and  a oscillating saw, but it's a pain in the butt. Better of using the nail on metal  stripping  ( used to be brass and it works pretty well ). I only do it once or twice a year, so the special router didn't make sense for me. I could make or buy new jambs and install it easier and more cost effective.   

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2015, 10:03 PM »
I have the RTC router, these are RTC seals and sweep installed in the arch topped door.

RCT also markets a silicone in place bead.

I'll get a picture of the router tomorrow, it's at a job.

I agree with Brent, if you're making the jambs, pre glove before assembly and use Q-Lons seals.

Tom

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2015, 10:08 PM »
It's a new entry door I'm pricing right now, I've made several interior doors to match paneling in rooms I've built, never been asked for an exterior door, just figured I look into tooling up for it. It's always great to have a legitimate excuse to buy another systainer , it looks like there's an attachment for the Bosch colt laminate trimmer but he'll I have enough non festool routers
Billy

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2015, 10:11 PM »
I don't think I'll get away with anything nail on & I can't just buy the jamb it has to be a matching white oak ...
Billy

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2015, 10:19 PM »
Ok I see tom, it's a metal track that grabs it, I wondered about laminating the stop and precutting that thin kerf in ahead of time but then I saw a video of Tom silva cutting it in on a 45 and thought I might need to cut it in that way......
Billy

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2015, 10:25 PM »
If it was cut at a 45º angle, he used an RTC seal, groove parallel with the jamb in the stop is a Q-Lon.

Tom

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 10:26 PM »
It's a new entry door I'm pricing right now, I've made several interior doors to match paneling in rooms I've built, never been asked for an exterior door, just figured I look into tooling up for it. It's always great to have a legitimate excuse to buy another systainer , it looks like there's an attachment for the Bosch colt laminate trimmer but he'll I have enough non festool routers

I had the Colt, don't waste your money.

Tom

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2015, 10:28 PM »
Thanks for the links tom
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2015, 10:28 PM »
Ok I see tom, it's a metal track that grabs it, I wondered about laminating the stop and precutting that thin kerf in ahead of time but then I saw a video of Tom silva cutting it in on a 45 and thought I might need to cut it in that way......

For the sweep I used the track, you don't have to. They also make a twin seal that goes in an aluminum channel.

The door seal is the white bead you see in the corner between the jamb and stop.

Tom

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2015, 10:31 PM »

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2015, 05:23 PM »
I just can't seem to find a price on that corner grooving tool ?
Billy

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2015, 05:51 PM »
I just can't seem to find a price on that corner grooving tool ?

If your talking about the WS 98, you could give these guys a call, they offer them for sale.

http://windowhardwareusa.com/resources/ARC-Catalog3-2013.pdf

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2015, 06:20 PM »
I just can't seem to find a price on that corner grooving tool ?

Bottom of the page.

http://www.conservationtechnology.com/building_weatherseals_components.html

Fits nicely in a Sys 1 once you remove the hose.

Tom

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2015, 08:41 PM »
Tom

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2015, 08:25 AM »
some pics of door bottom seal
You are only as good as your ability to get PAID.

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2015, 08:35 AM »
Sweet !
Billy

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2015, 08:38 AM »
some pics of door bottom seal
nice that button actuate the seal ?
Billy

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2015, 08:46 AM »
I just can't seem to find a price on that corner grooving tool ?
oh OK got it, not bad I was expecting a horror show price wise, usually the case with any specialty tool that's door related....

Bottom of the page.

http://www.conservationtechnology.com/building_weatherseals_components.html

Fits nicely in a Sys 1 once you remove the hose.

Tom
Billy

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2015, 01:21 PM »
some pics of door bottom seal
nice that button actuate the seal ?

The one Unity posted is an auto sweep, the button hits another button in the jamb, drops in place with the door closed.

They can be finicky to set.

Tom

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2015, 09:34 PM »
some pics of door bottom seal
nice that button actuate the seal ?

The one Unity posted is an auto sweep, the button hits another button in the jamb, drops in place with the door closed.

They can be finicky to set.
Ugh just what I needed to hear it's just become a request for both doors , oh yeah they added another exterior  " dutch" door , I guess it's time to tool up . Wats the name of that clear plastic double sided guide for the 1400 ? I've never even seen one until I started researching all this weather stripping...
Tom
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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2015, 10:17 PM »
Here you go. I do multi point locks, the Edge Routing Template works.

http://www.tool-home.com/products/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/60/products_id/10800

You can also use 2 edge guides to pinch the door between them. This is the 1010 with the 2200 edge guide, 1010 edge guide and the 1400 rods.

Tom

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2015, 01:33 PM »
Ahh , already have one side , should work fine as long as I'm careful
buying another side may be cheaper than buy the intended jig....hmmm
Billy

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2015, 01:37 PM »
Wow !! 328$ definitely cheaper [eek]
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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2015, 01:58 PM »
Wow !! 328$ definitely cheaper [eek]

There is a lot more to it than one would think. Like most (if not all Festools sticker shock only lasts until you use it).

Tom

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2015, 03:42 PM »
Wow !! 328$ definitely cheaper [eek]

There is a lot more to it than one would think. Like most (if not all Festools sticker shock only lasts until you use it).

Tom
yeah for sure, I saw Gary Katz using it, it has a cent er r rule and practically lays itself out, the problem is I'm trying to get the job to pay and pay for the Domino XL I would love to have to do it ;)
Billy

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2020, 12:22 PM »
RCT also markets a silicone in place bead.

Tom @tjbnwi :
Have you used the silicone in place bead, and does it hold in use or would you advise the push in to groove type.
Tim

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2020, 01:46 PM »
RCT also markets a silicone in place bead.

Tom @tjbnwi :
Have you used the silicone in place bead, and does it hold in use or would you advise the push in to groove type.
Tim

I have not, I believe Justin has. I’ll ask him to respond. He doesn’t come up using the @.

Tom

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Corner grooving ?
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2020, 10:35 AM »
RCT also markets a silicone in place bead.

Tom @tjbnwi :
Have you used the silicone in place bead, and does it hold in use or would you advise the push in to groove type.
Tim

I have not, I believe Justin has. I’ll ask him to respond. He doesn’t come up using the @.

Tom

Justin got in touch with me via Instagram and said he did use silicon in place on steel doors but it was difficult to keep the seal in place while the silicon dried. He did say the mechanical or groove was better. Said the new version of the groover was better.
Thanks again.
Tim