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Offline Bruce M

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« on: April 20, 2022, 01:19 AM »
I went to purchase a Conturo today with the accessories kit and the table, and the guy at Lee Valley said, "congratulations, you're getting our last one, we received news from Festool that the Conturo is being discontinued." Red flag went up, I asked why would Festool discontinue it, and he said he didn't know, but said they will keep supplying dealers with glue and parts. I cancelled the sale and left until I could find out more. I have been apprehensive about buying this machine. Anyone have intel on this?
Thanks in advance
« Last Edit: April 20, 2022, 01:24 AM by Bruce M »

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Offline denovo

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2022, 02:33 AM »
You should have had to opposite reaction.  It's a great machine and it looks like most places have already sold out.  Everyone who has borrowed mine has ended up buying their own

Offline Bruce M

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2022, 12:14 PM »
If the Conturo such a great machine, as you say, I'd like to know why Festool is discontinuing it. Maybe a new improved version coming? Maybe too many issues with the current model?

Offline woodbutcherbower

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2022, 12:24 PM »
It’s a specialist machine aimed at meeting a highly specific set of needs for a highly specific type of work - it’s not a product like the TS55 which has virtually universal appeal. Maybe they just weren’t selling enough to make it worth keeping in the range?
« Last Edit: April 20, 2022, 12:27 PM by woodbutcherbower »

Offline Coen

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2022, 12:48 PM »
If the Conturo such a great machine, as you say, I'd like to know why Festool is discontinuing it. Maybe a new improved version coming? Maybe too many issues with the current model?

They have been discontinuing a lot of stuff that sold in very low numbers.
The thing to use the HL 850 upside down, the Surfix, the Duplex.

I think below X amount of sales, some beancounter will say it has to go.

Offline denovo

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2022, 01:06 PM »
Don't forget the Vac SYS.  That was another tool that was worth it's weight in gold. 

With all the supply chain issues currently a lot of companies are focusing on their bread and butter products and no longer producing low production items.  Probably either because of limited resources or increased costs making the lower volume items no longer feasible.

I wouldn't be surprised if Festool started producing the Vac Sys and Conturo again in 5-6 years once things start returning to normal

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2022, 01:26 PM »

They have been discontinuing a lot of stuff that sold in very low numbers.
The thing to use the HL 850 upside down, the Surfix, the Duplex.


That was the SE HL planer bench stand and add to that group the RAS 115, BS 75, RS 2/200, BS 105, RAS 180 and the Rustofix.

Offline FestitaMakool

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2022, 01:43 PM »
Given that Festool is a brand that is aiming mainly at pro’s it probably means that the pro’s have switched to a product that does the same cheaper or better - or both.
There’s also trends that shifts, meaning specialists tools stall in sales.
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Offline Coen

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2022, 02:02 PM »

They have been discontinuing a lot of stuff that sold in very low numbers.
The thing to use the HL 850 upside down, the Surfix, the Duplex.


That was the SE HL planer bench stand and add to that group the RAS 115, BS 75, RS 2/200, BS 105, RAS 180 and the Rustofix.

The BS 75 isn't discontinued !? Maybe only in 110V?

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2022, 02:33 PM »
The BS 75 isn't discontinued !? Maybe only in 110V?

It’s no longer on the UK website. And I believe it was only available in 230/240 volts. I’ve wanted a 120 version for years.

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/sanding

Offline Coen

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2022, 03:17 PM »
It's still on the NL and DE website.

It even got refreshed from Systainer Maxi to Sys3 XXL 237

Offline Crazyraceguy

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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2022, 07:11 PM »
The LS130 is gone too. I guess a few dealers still have a few, but they won't last long.
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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2022, 09:38 PM »
The LS130 is gone too. I guess a few dealers still have a few, but they won't last long.

That was the Duplex that Coen was referring to.

Offline afish

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2022, 09:01 PM »
Man, I love my conturo being small shop the biggest advantage is not having a glue pot to deal with.  I love the ability to switch glue colors and just turn it off and store in a systainer till next time.  I would loooooove to get that mafell edgebander but it was 10k pre covid.  Scared to think what it is now... The conturo and festool sanders are my favorite things they make.  I didnt really care about the vac sys going away but the conturo saddens me.

Offline MrToolJunkie

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2022, 01:10 AM »
Also the Festool CMS router table and the DX93 Delta head detail sander also discontinued. Unfortunate as many of these tools were some of Fetool's best tools in my opinion.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2022, 01:55 PM by MrToolJunkie »

Offline Coen

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2022, 07:26 PM »
Also the Festool CMS router table and the DX93 Delta head detail sander also discontinued. Unfortunate as many of these tools were some of Fetool's best tools in my opinion.

Sales on DX93 were ridiculously low, especially after the RO 90 came out.

Offline Ebuwan

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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2022, 05:37 PM »
So I they gonna kill the MFK 700 too? Why bother anymore as it is quite the companion to the conturo.

Offline MikeGE

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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2022, 05:56 PM »
So I they gonna kill the MFK 700 too? Why bother anymore as it is quite the companion to the conturo.
Why?  The Conturo is only one method of attaching edge banding.  The MFK 700 should work well with any edge banding, not just the Conturo.

Offline Peter Kelly

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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2022, 12:21 AM »
I would loooooove to get that mafell edgebander but it was 10k pre covid.  Scared to think what it is now...
Surprisingly not terrible if you could get one shipped from Germany? 8,246.70 € minus 19% VAT = $7,075.04 US + shipping. 2x the price of a Conturo but no hot melt glue at all to deal with.

https://www.mafell.shop/nullfugenbekanter-hit-m-65-mafell.html



Offline afish

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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2022, 07:53 AM »
I would loooooove to get that mafell edgebander but it was 10k pre covid.  Scared to think what it is now...
Surprisingly not terrible if you could get one shipped from Germany? 8,246.70 € minus 19% VAT = $7,075.04 US + shipping. 2x the price of a Conturo but no hot melt glue at all to deal with.

https://www.mafell.shop/nullfugenbekanter-hit-m-65-mafell.html

Not sure whats involved in getting one from Germany but I called Timberwolf pre covid and spoke to someone there and it was over 10k but under 11k without the table. I cant remember exactly how much but it was between 10 and 11.  I tried to find the email they sent but no luck.  If I could get one for under 8k that would be very enticing.  However, its going to need to wait a bit since I just made another sizable tool purchase and dont want to see the wifes head pop off. 

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2022, 10:05 AM »
I would loooooove to get that mafell edgebander but it was 10k pre covid.  Scared to think what it is now...
Surprisingly not terrible if you could get one shipped from Germany? 8,246.70 € minus 19% VAT = $7,075.04 US + shipping. 2x the price of a Conturo but no hot melt glue at all to deal with.

https://www.mafell.shop/nullfugenbekanter-hit-m-65-mafell.html

How does it work without hot melt glue?

Offline guybo

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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2022, 10:46 AM »
hot air+airtec edgebanding+just guessing 60 gallon compressor

Offline afish

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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2022, 10:57 AM »
correct it requires a special edge banding that has what they call a "functional" layer from my understanding it kind of injects the hot air.  The biggest benefits are a near invisible joint and a very high water/heat  resistance.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2022, 11:37 AM »
Here's some interesting information from Rehau, a manufacturer of zero joint edgebanding.

Two things caught my eye:
1. "Increased edgeband costs are easily offset by the upscale finished product to the market." Now that's marketing justification for you. [smile]
2. "Zero-joint edgebanding with hot-air or laser machines is the future. This technology will become the norm in this market; the amount of machines sold without hot air and laser edgebanding is already low."

https://www.rehau.com/us-en/zero-joint

Offline jobsworth

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2022, 11:43 AM »
they discontinue tools because the lack of sales. Same thing with the vac system. Great tool but expensive.

So my advice to the OP buy the conturo if you want it or need a edge bander.

It will avoid you coming here in the future complaining you need one and cant find one like so many do over other discontinued tools and whine about how people are selling theirs at a premium price

Offline afish

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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2022, 12:00 PM »
Yes the edge banding is more expensive too but you also no longer need any glue and since the conturo glue is not cheap, Im sure the Hot air banding is still more but the price tends to even out a little more.  enough that its not a issue for me if Im getting a better looking and more durable product. It can also save considerable time too.  When I did the outdoor kitchen I had to epoxy all the laminate on the edges since the EVA would never hold up in the Florida sun.  It was a vey tedious process and time consuming since you can only do do two sides at a time and then wait 24 hours trim then do the other two edges trim and then vacuum press the front and backs on. All with not getting any excess epoxy on any finished surface.  Had I had the mafell it would have cut the time from days to an hour or two, with no excess epoxy issues.  If I had anymore outdoor kitchens to do I would be all over that Mafell just because of that. 

Offline Peter Kelly

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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2022, 01:05 PM »
correct it requires a special edge banding that has what they call a "functional" layer from my understanding it kind of injects the hot air.  The biggest benefits are a near invisible joint and a very high water/heat  resistance.
There's a polypropylene strip on the back of the tape that gets melted by either a laser, high-pressure super hot air or an infra red heater instead of glue. Pretty cool technology but I get the impression that the choice of tapes is limited to PVC or ABS plastic from either Rehau or Doellken. Shop-made HPL strips, wood veneer tape or solid stock is still traditional EVA hot melt adhesive.

Offline afish

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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2022, 01:50 PM »
yes but solid stock isnt going to pass through a conturo anyways.  The "wood veneer" banding is a bummer and I havent seen any available in the hot air/laser banding but if Im wrong please let me know.  I dont do a lot of it anyways but it is a bummer either way.  As far as HPL this is also true but most laminate does have a matching edge banding available in pvc so it becomes less of an issue.

My conturo does a really good job on pvc and really the only thing that makes the joint stand out is if there is a slight color difference between the material and banding or the texture difference.  Since most melamine's laminates have a slight texture and once you trim the banding its smooth.  Im very happy with the look I get from the conturo

 

Offline Ebuwan

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« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2022, 08:01 PM »
Glad I got one then; thought I was crazy getting it but now that I do can't imagine not having it.

Is conturo the only one that does different color glues?

Also only other options is that one that a few places rebrand (virtuex, grizzly). But those seem to only do natural glue color

Offline GregorHochschild

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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2022, 08:56 PM »
Maybe you could have done that with the Conturo. There is PUR or polyurethane glue for the Conturo, which should give you much more water- and heatproof gluing. I am not sure whether they sell it in the U.S. You have to buy both the glue and a special cleaning product.

PUR glue: https://www.festool.com/accessory/200056---pu-nat-4x-ka-65
Rinsing agent: https://www.festool.com/accessory/200062---pu-spm-4x-ka-65#Overview

I never saw how it works but I heart from people using it for cabinets around dishwashers etc.

Yes the edge banding is more expensive too but you also no longer need any glue and since the conturo glue is not cheap, Im sure the Hot air banding is still more but the price tends to even out a little more.  enough that its not a issue for me if Im getting a better looking and more durable product. It can also save considerable time too.  When I did the outdoor kitchen I had to epoxy all the laminate on the edges since the EVA would never hold up in the Florida sun.  It was a vey tedious process and time consuming since you can only do do two sides at a time and then wait 24 hours trim then do the other two edges trim and then vacuum press the front and backs on. All with not getting any excess epoxy on any finished surface.  Had I had the mafell it would have cut the time from days to an hour or two, with no excess epoxy issues.  If I had anymore outdoor kitchens to do I would be all over that Mafell just because of that.