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Offline Jim Becker

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Re: Comment on Festools & Improvements you may want to see for them.
« Reply #120 on: May 29, 2008, 08:43 AM »
My issues are few and far between. The only lingering stitch in my side is the inability to get square drive bits from Festool for the Centrotec system...I have to make them using Tom's method and they are certainly not the same quality as they would be from Festool. Visibility with the jigsaw is what it is and I've learned to compensate for it. Outside of that, I'm a happy camper and would consider Festool strongly for any future tool need where they have an entry.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #121 on: May 29, 2008, 09:00 AM »
I understand Nick's reasons for starting these threads but I think we (prospective and current owners of Festools) would be better served by threads for individual tools titled something like "Getting the most from you XY 123".

Under such a heading both shortcomings and workarounds would present a truer picture of what you get with a Festool and what you can do with it, and be easier to peruse when researching a tool.

For example Mirko and Eiji discovered that heir TS 75's placed the kerf of a 45 bevel below the lower corner of the guide rail rubber splinter guard. One of them discovered that a shim about the thickness of a credit card would bring the kerf back up to a tolerable proximity of where it should be and then moved on making money with the saws. Mirko said, "I'm man enough to admit I had to learn how to use the tools".

Information like this should be gathered in a place devoted to that tool, not a broad ranging disconnected mish-mash of complaints and random fixes.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2008, 08:42 AM by Michael Kellough »

Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Comment on Festools & Improvements you may want to see for them.
« Reply #122 on: May 29, 2008, 09:38 AM »
Michael, I agree with you and that is why I have (with one exception  :-[) not posted to these two threads. 
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline JayStPeter

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« Reply #123 on: May 29, 2008, 10:40 AM »
I've come and gone from this group over the years for the same reasons as Nick.  There's enough good info here to keep my interest.  But, I have had some bad vibes come my way when I have made comments about shortcomings of certain tools and accessories.
Jay St. Peter

Offline greg mann

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« Reply #124 on: May 29, 2008, 11:54 AM »
Jay, I understand the feeling. It does seem, though, that certain types of threads will draw contentious responses no matter what the norm is for any given forum. SMC has 'em. WoodCentral has'em.....etc. It sometimes takes a lot of discipline to not comment when one sees a post that is really aimed at soliciting overly passionate response, whether it is outright trolling or just someone's axe being ground. We all tend to think we can make the definitive post, the one that will clarify all and be the last word. It just never happens, probably because none of us are Mark Twain or Winston Churchill.  ::)

For the most part, we do pretty well here, and sometimes, very, very well. Keep checking in. Sometimes members come and go for their own reasons. It seems the ambiance changes, up or down, with these comings and goings so the nature of things today will be different in a month. I feel it usually flows back to the good in reasonable time. For the record, it may sound like I am singling out Nickao but I do not intend that. These are general observations.
Greg Mann
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Offline colinw

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Re: Comment on Festools & Improvements you may want to see for them.
« Reply #125 on: May 29, 2008, 12:06 PM »
       I used to think this forum was a friendly place, since this thread was posted my opinion has changed, It should not matter how much a member posts or what he posts people should respect his opinion ( as long as he is being polite and not trying to offend anybody ) I'm not saying you must agree with him but a least have the common courtesy to either make constructive comments to the writer or ignore the topic, no one deserves to be " attacked " for voicing their opinion. Nick even tried to restart the thread with an explanation of his idea and even asked for just input on tools still someone had to jump in and flame the writer again.
        Nick had good ideas and his work speaks for its self I personally am ashamed at some of the comments made to him. well i guess you won't have to deal with him anymore as after this "bashing" he took he has left (this is according to Matthew so I don't think its a rumor) Shame a great guy who would help you out and play devils advocate every now and then, which helped balance things out ........ A sad day for this forum.............. you guys proud of your selves ?

I unlike Nickao WILL NOT be drawn into an argument about this ........ This is  a comment not a question ........and if this generates the same reaction as nicks post oh well

I still see FOG as a great place for Festool information and for guides but can not shake the bitter taste this whole thing has left in my mouth


Colin.

Offline tallgrass

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Re: Comment on Festools & Improvements you may want to see for them.
« Reply #126 on: May 29, 2008, 12:20 PM »
i am sorry that nick has left. :'(

Offline JayStPeter

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« Reply #127 on: May 29, 2008, 12:30 PM »
Jay, I understand the feeling. It does seem, though, that certain types of threads will draw contentious responses no matter what the norm is for any given forum. SMC has 'em. WoodCentral has'em.....etc.

Ya know, one of the topics I avoid on other forums is Festool.  So, I understand why some feel the need to defend their Festool infatuation.

While no Mark Twain, you have done a reasonable job of describing the ebb and flow of a forum  ;D.
Jay St. Peter

Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Comment on Festools & Improvements you may want to see for them.
« Reply #128 on: May 29, 2008, 12:47 PM »
Nick, if you happen to read this, I hope that you reconsider your decision and come back.
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline josephgewing

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« Reply #129 on: May 29, 2008, 12:58 PM »
Sad day for us all.  I hope we collectively and individually do better the next time around.

Joe
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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« Reply #130 on: May 29, 2008, 01:36 PM »
Good Afternoon,
Just so everyone knows the story, I never asked Nick to leave the forum.  In fact, it was a surprise to me when I checked into the forum this morning to see that he had put in a request to have his account deleted.  I've written to Nick, essentially pleading with him to reconsider his decision.

With that said, I don't believe it is anyone's fault that Nick left the forum.  The responses he received to his recent posts were somewhat harsh at times, but looking back over them I don't think they were anything that should necessarily lead to him deleting his account.

On a technical note, Nick's account is not officially deleted until I approve the request, which I have not done.  If Nick changes his mind, it would be very easy for me to reverse the request and we could leave this episode behind us.

Matthew
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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« Reply #131 on: May 29, 2008, 02:44 PM »
..... Its like a cheerleading team for Festool. .....

The FOG Blog  reminds me of the Easy Blog on SMC.  They'll try to convince you the product is so good it will do the work for you and clean up after itself. 

Not that there isn't good information on either site, but they can go over the top at times in their professed love and defence of the product.

An earlier poster said that threads like this were ignored by manufacturers and I have to disagree.  Threads like this can be a gold mine for real infomation on product issues. 

After all, it's hard to get good, constructive criticism from the choir.

The ez forum is nothing like the FOG.

I agree with d.epstein, and I'm a bit surprised Steveo made this comparison!  The vast majority of people in this forum have always welcomed criticism.

On a more technical note, this is not a blog.  It's a forum.  That might account for some of the difference.  A blog is generally the thoughts and opinions of one person.  A forum represents wider views of a community of people.

Matthew
« Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 02:48 PM by Matthew Schenker »
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Offline Steve-CO

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« Reply #132 on: May 29, 2008, 02:50 PM »
More importantly, almost every time, there is a solution provided for criticisms/design "problems"

There's a heck of a lot more creativity provided here than "cheerleading," IMO.

Offline Steveo48

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« Reply #133 on: May 29, 2008, 02:58 PM »
Oy vey, boys, read the quote.  

I'm not comparing the WHOLE forum/blog/board/community, just the over the top flag waving that occasionally happens.  

I understand it's sometimes a hard concept to grasp if you're concentrating on waving the flag in unison with others.  :D

Steve

..... Its like a cheerleading team for Festool. .....

The FOG Blog  reminds me of the Easy Blog on SMC.  They'll try to convince you the product is so good it will do the work for you and clean up after itself. 

Not that there isn't good information on either site, but they can go over the top at times in their professed love and defence of the product.

An earlier poster said that threads like this were ignored by manufacturers and I have to disagree.  Threads like this can be a gold mine for real infomation on product issues. 

After all, it's hard to get good, constructive criticism from the choir.

The ez forum is nothing like the FOG.

I agree with d.epstein, and I'm a bit surprised Steveo made this comparison!  The vast majority of people in this forum have always welcomed criticism.

On a more technical note, this is not a blog.  It's a forum.  That might account for some of the difference.  A blog is generally the thoughts and opinions of one person.  A forum represents wider views of a community of people.

Matthew

Offline Matthew Schenker

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« Reply #134 on: May 29, 2008, 03:05 PM »
Oy vey, boys, read the quote. 

I'm not comparing the WHOLE forum/blog/board/community, just the over the top flag waving that occasionally happens. 

I understand it's sometimes a hard concept to grasp if you're concentrating on waving the flag in unison with others.  :D

Steve

I read the quote, and it doesn't change my earlier points.
I strongly disagree with any comparison, on any level, with the forum you refer to.
And I strongly disagree with your statements about flag waving, choirs, or cheerleaders.
Matthew
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Offline Sweet

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« Reply #135 on: May 29, 2008, 03:35 PM »
Sorry for crashing the thread.

Arguments, heated or not, are part of my daily life on the jobsite. As my old Royal Marines Sergeant Major used to say "we are all Volunteers, that means we can't complain, we VOLUNTEERED for this s**t". We volunteer to be part of the FOG! Let's enjoy it! ;D

 Festool's are used by professionals, amatuers and enthusiasts alike. The company has to make money and keep it's customers coming back for more. But don't forget, Festool is designed by humans, manufactured by machines and used by humans. It won't ever be, can't ever be perfect. But in my experience on the whole it sure beats DeWalt, Makita etc.

BTW, I'm gonna go and get a Kapex tomorrow. I sold my Small Makita and I was never really happy with the DW708. Just wish someone made a decent mitre saw stand over here. My Van is full enough already, Just can't see where I could fit the Kapex MFT and all the accessories.  :-\

 

Offline Steve Jones

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« Reply #136 on: May 29, 2008, 03:51 PM »
I am deeply saddened by the news that Nick has decided to cancel his membership in this forum..

Nick, if you read this please reconsider your decision I for one enjoy your contributions and will miss your presence here.

Everyone else: I'm not at all surprised at Nick's decision, I took another look at this thread which was started by him in good faith as an attempt to help others;

Here are some quotes from earlier responses:

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I'm sorry, but it's difficult seeing this as being useful.
I generally don't have time to respond to whining threads and I do think this is one
A negative thread like this will surely cause negative responses to the originator.
this thread is also NOT constructive
This sounds like whining to me.  If you have an issue, give the company an opportunity to fix it.
I personally don't see the value of this thread.
how will it help anyone?
we have already talked about these problems.
you want "outsiders" looking in to see a Festool "stuff list"
Seeing this post and these attacks makes me wonder about this group and what they have to hide.
I would hate to think what some of our guests think right now.
Whining is rarely useful.
I am not getting involved in this thread
Do you use these tools or do you just  sit around and complain about them.
MaybeI would buy another brand If you have so many problems with them. you are not using them correctly.
I do have some of my own issues with Festool as well, which I will not go into here given where this thread is going.
Unfortunately, this thread has mostly proved that most folks here are not interested seeing the negatives
it is amazing to me the amount of junk that this discussion has generated.

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What a bunch of hatefull, spitefull old ladies!

I hope you're all proud of your "contributions"

I check unread posts regularly, lately this forum is declining into a shouting competition with no new or valuable discussions about Festools and their operation.

Steve Jones

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Offline pmkierst

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« Reply #137 on: May 29, 2008, 03:53 PM »
If I may humbly suggest, there has been some obvious trolling going on from new-sign-ups, and people seem to be going for it and feeding the trolls.

When a one or two post member fires a big fat insult, it is best to ignore it. Well, actually, when people make obvious pot-shots, it is best to just ignore it.

Just my $0.02.

Offline Matthew Schenker

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« Reply #138 on: May 29, 2008, 04:04 PM »
I am deeply saddened by the news that Nick has decided to cancel his membership in this forum..

Nick, if you read this please reconsider your decision I for one enjoy your contributions and will miss your presence here.

Everyone else: I'm not at all surprised at Nick's decision, I took another look at this thread which was started by him in good faith as an attempt to help others;

...

I posted this in another place, but because of the circumstances I want to post it here as well...
I never asked Nick to leave the forum.  In fact, it was a surprise to me when I checked into the forum this morning to see that he had put in a request to have his account deleted.  I've written to Nick, essentially pleading with him to reconsider his decision.

With that said, I don't believe it is anyone's fault that Nick left the forum.  The responses he received to his recent posts were somewhat harsh at times, but looking back over them I don't think they were anything that should necessarily lead to him deleting his account.

On a technical note, Nick's account is not officially deleted until I approve the request, which I have not done.  If Nick changes his mind, it would be very easy for me to reverse the request and we could leave this episode behind us.

Matthew
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Offline colinw

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Re: Comment on Festools & Improvements you may want to see for them.
« Reply #139 on: May 29, 2008, 04:31 PM »
Steve Jones,
                  Thanks for being honest and not being afraid to speak up, I posted earlier in the retry of this thread in case you or anyone else missed it its quoted below.Since I posted this I have had a LOT of personal emails from people echoing my thoughts but do not want to post this for fear of receiving a similar bashing that nickao received. People in an open minded community should be able to voice there ideas without fear of being attacked!!!!
                     

Quote

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I used to think this forum was a friendly place, since this thread was posted my opinion has changed, It should not matter how much a member posts or what he posts people should respect his opinion ( as long as he is being polite and not trying to offend anybody ) I'm not saying you must agree with him but a least have the common courtesy to either make constructive comments to the writer or ignore the topic, no one deserves to be " attacked " for voicing their opinion. Nick even tried to restart the thread with an explanation of his idea and even asked for just input on tools still someone had to jump in and flame the writer again.
        Nick had good ideas and his work speaks for its self I personally am ashamed at some of the comments made to him. well i guess you won't have to deal with him anymore as after this "bashing" he took he has left (this is according to Matthew so I don't think its a rumor) Shame a great guy who would help you out and play devils advocate every now and then, which helped balance things out ........ A sad day for this forum.............. you guys proud of your selves ?

I unlike Nickao WILL NOT be drawn into an argument about this ........ This is  a comment not a question ........and if this generates the same reaction as nicks post oh well

I still see FOG as a great place for Festool information and for guides but can not shake the bitter taste this whole thing has left in my mouth


Colin."

Offline Matthew Schenker

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« Reply #140 on: May 29, 2008, 04:54 PM »
Steve Jones,
                  Thanks for being honest and not being afraid to speak up, I posted earlier in the retry of this thread in case you or anyone else missed it its quoted below.Since I posted this I have had a LOT of personal emails from people echoing my thoughts but do not want to post this for fear of receiving a similar bashing that nickao received. People in an open minded community should be able to voice there ideas without fear of being attacked!!!!
                     

Quote

"
I used to think this forum was a friendly place, since this thread was posted my opinion has changed, It should not matter how much a member posts or what he posts people should respect his opinion ( as long as he is being polite and not trying to offend anybody ) I'm not saying you must agree with him but a least have the common courtesy to either make constructive comments to the writer or ignore the topic, no one deserves to be " attacked " for voicing their opinion. Nick even tried to restart the thread with an explanation of his idea and even asked for just input on tools still someone had to jump in and flame the writer again.
        Nick had good ideas and his work speaks for its self I personally am ashamed at some of the comments made to him. well i guess you won't have to deal with him anymore as after this "bashing" he took he has left (this is according to Matthew so I don't think its a rumor) Shame a great guy who would help you out and play devils advocate every now and then, which helped balance things out ........ A sad day for this forum.............. you guys proud of your selves ?

I unlike Nickao WILL NOT be drawn into an argument about this ........ This is  a comment not a question ........and if this generates the same reaction as nicks post oh well

I still see FOG as a great place for Festool information and for guides but can not shake the bitter taste this whole thing has left in my mouth


Colin."

Looks like this discussion has turned into a debate about whether people can speak their minds on the FOG.  Let's remember that everything anyone wanted to say has been posted, unfiltered.

I'll repeat it again: criticism of the tools is perfectly fine.

In fact, there have been a few critical discussions, or specific posts within a discussion that were critical, and they went just fine.  Only in an overwhelming minority of situations on this forum have there been any kinds of attacks.  In fact, I'd say that outside this discussion, it has not been an issue.  For whatever reason, this discussion really caught all of it.

Also, we really don't know for sure why Nick has closed his membership.  Until at least one of us hears back from him on his reasons, I don't want to make any assumptions.

Matthew
« Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 04:56 PM by Matthew Schenker »
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Offline colinw

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« Reply #141 on: May 29, 2008, 06:44 PM »
Matthew,
              Fist let me say I admire the way you run the forum I have said this before, I am not trying to say that people can't speak their minds but more like I did not like the way some people tried to stifle the thread because they did not like / approve of it .
              For one Ideas can not be judged until they run their course who was right and who was wrong? we will never know. but whenever anything worthwhile is invented or found there are people on the sidelines denouncing it for example: Edison had already invented 12 volt electricity when Tesla came up with 120 volt and the use of transformers to transport it around, a much more efficient method, Edison did experiments to prove how dangerous it was and did his best to discredit Tesla. Who knows where nicks idea could have gone or who would have picked it up and ran with it and created a wonderful database for us all to use or it could have simply died a death on its own like a lot of threads do, it did not need to be killed or stifled. just because people have different opinions the group that shouts the loudest is not always right.

Colin.
                   
« Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 06:46 PM by colinw »

Offline Matthew Schenker

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« Reply #142 on: May 29, 2008, 06:52 PM »
Colin,
Thanks for your kind words about the forum.

However, I disagree that this discussion was stifled at all.  I'm not saying that I am proud of the way this discussion went, but neither Nick, nor anyone else, was stifled in the least.  Everyone involved chose to say what they said, and from my perspective said it often and loudly.  In a forum like this, everyone is free to press on with his or her ideas.  If they become silent, that's their choice.  I think it's essential that people not carry away some image that Nick was prevented from saying what he believed.

In the end, Nick chose, on his own, to leave the forum.  But we cannot assume it is because he was stifled.  We don't know why he left.

Matthew
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Offline Daviddubya

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« Reply #143 on: May 29, 2008, 07:17 PM »
...Here are some quotes from earlier responses:
(List not included)
...What a bunch of hatefull, spitefull old ladies!

I hope you're all proud of your "contributions"

I check unread posts regularly, lately this forum is declining into a shouting competition with no new or valuable discussions about Festools and their operation.



Steve,

Since I made several of the statements that you chose to call "hateful, spiteful", I feel the need to respond to you.  Nothing I said was said with a hateful or spiteful intention.  In fact, Nick and I exchanged several PM's and we did not have a cross word.  So your interpretation of what I said is your own, and not Nick's.  Please allow me to point out that many of the comments you cited are nothing more than someone disagreeing with something someone else said.  Just because the topic happened to be Festool complaints and problems, the criticisms made by the detractors of this thread have become cheerleaders.  As Matthew has inferred, we all have an opportunity to express an opinion here.  Just because some opinions are different from yours, or Nick's, does not make those opinions wrong or hateful and spiteful.  Maybe stated too strongly in some cases, but I think the intentions were every bit as honorable as Nick's.

You said, "lately this forum is declining into a shouting competition with no new or valuable discussions about Festools and their operation."   This thread is an example of what you are referring to.  Unfortunately, I agree with your statement, and I hope that the tone of the forum soon returns to what it used to be.

I hope Nick decides to return.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 07:23 PM by Daviddubya »
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Offline PeterK

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« Reply #144 on: May 29, 2008, 08:23 PM »
Personally, I hate to see Nick leave. He has a tremendous amount of Festool products and uses them hard. I was following his CT vac thread where he was having problems of suction loss and filter plugging. Was really hoping to find out what the problem was as thought we could all learn from that. I always read a post trying to understand the point being made or the question asked. It is so easy to criticize the way it is worded and it is always difficult to have it interpreted as meant. Seems that the problem with/for Nick is he is not always understood. Maybe a post can be reworded by others better but in my case, not having great literary skills, I know some of my posts are not always read as I meant. I have plenty of money invested in my Festool products and really love most of them, like some of them, question the value of a couple. This forum rocks for information sharing and improving usage. Let us not loose this.
Pete

Offline Steve Jones

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« Reply #145 on: May 29, 2008, 09:09 PM »
David,

First and foremost, I did not copy or identify the names of the people involved, in fact I did not look at them, I wasn't picking on anyone in particular, my research started out as wondering why Nick was feeling the way he was and frankly I was shocked at that list I compiled, and everyone here used to be such nice folks!

did you read that list? I ask because you said I "Chose" to call those quotes "Hateful, spiteful" - what the heck would you call them? Supportive?, constructive?, encouraging?

If there is anything in my list of quotes that you are not proud of, I'm not responsible for that. according to your logic I can call someone the offspring of unmarried parents who indulges in unnatural sexual practices with his maternal parent, (this is the long version, figure out the short version for yourselves) as long as didn't have any hateful or spiteful intent it's socially acceptable is it?

My point is not to pick on you personally David, I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is a public forum, what the public sees is what is here - if some of us exchange private emails asking if it's ok to call the other party a whining piece of dog poo it does not make it ok to do so in public.

I don't know which of my quotes is yours, and I have no desire to know. I'm not starting a flaming match with any individual, I'm simply stating my impressions of Nicks' recent experience and my disgust with the way he was treated.
Steve Jones

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Offline Zaphod

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« Reply #146 on: May 29, 2008, 10:05 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't see a single personal affront to Nickao's post.  Some may have disagreed with aspects of his proposal, but I fail to see any personal malevolence whatsoever.  "Whining" was the harshest term used; ouch.

Much to do about nothing. 





Offline Texastutt

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« Reply #147 on: May 29, 2008, 10:09 PM »
Whoa! this one took off in a bad way. I have a TS55, with a MFT3, three rails, and a lot of systainers, and yes when it's a bad arthritis day those things don't open well. The TS55 has issues my fein Vac has issues, my Bosh radio has issues... Their tools Folks, not a god!

I like the idea of the thread. I would like to know what does and does not work, I have tools in my garage that do not get to ride around in my trailer because they don't make me money, ONE headed that way looks like it will be a non festool circular saw, unless I do roof sheathing, because I'm not taking my TS55 up on a roof... I don't want to see if it will survive the drop.
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Offline Steve-CO

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« Reply #148 on: May 29, 2008, 10:17 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't see a single personal affront to Nickao's post.  Some may have disagreed with aspects of his proposal, but I fail to see any personal malevolence whatsoever.  "Whining" was the harshest term used; ouch.

Much to do about nothing. 


Who knows what was said in the PM's he received, he made them sound like they may have been nastier.  All kinds of personalities/cultures here with numerous communication styles.  Thick skin may be needed at times and try not to take things personally, easier said than done, but worth a shot.

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Re: Comment on Festools & Improvements you may want to see for them.
« Reply #149 on: May 29, 2008, 10:48 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't see a single personal affront to Nickao's post.  Some may have disagreed with aspects of his proposal, but I fail to see any personal malevolence whatsoever.  "Whining" was the harshest term used; ouch.

Much to do about nothing. 


Very much to do about nothing.  I went back and reread posts looking for something worse than "whining" and couldn't find anything.  I didn't think nick was whining by the way.

~mark