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Offline six-point socket II

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2020, 01:34 PM »
I'd be seriously interested in the details.

What car?

What adaptor(s) was/where used? 1/4" hex to 1/2" square? 1/4" hex to 3/8" square? No adaptor/ socket with 1/4" hex shaft?

What socket was used? Impact? Shallow or Deep? Size?

How many of the lugs were unscrewed?

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Oliver
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Offline ach_78

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2020, 02:40 PM »
It is a small city car, steel wheels, lugs are torqued down to 100N.m as mentioned.

I used a 1/4" hex to 1/2" square from Grey Pneumatic
Socket is a wheel specific Facom 17mm with the plastic sleeve to avoid damage to rims, it is a long socket

Out of curiosity I'm going to torque them to more than 100N.m, see if/when the TID 18 will start to struggle.

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2020, 02:55 PM »
Thanks!

I can see how the TID was able to loosen those.

I wouldn't over torque lug nuts just for fun. Find some other bolts you can torque. ;)

That out they way, I'm curious to hear at what number the TID fails to loosen the freshly torqued bolts/lug nuts.

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Oliver
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Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2020, 02:58 PM »
Oliver for me it was:
- AUDI A1
- torqued to 120nm (Stahlwille Torque wrench)
- 5 bolts per wheel
- TID18, 4Ah Battery - Speed Set to “2”
- Milwaukee impact 1/4” to 1/2” Adapter
- Long Stahlwille Socket 17mm

Speed setting, as mentioned above at 2. (Don’t ask me why?!)
“Hammering” between 1 and 3 seconds per bolt.

No complaints here. And definitely faster than what I did before...

Putting the wheels back on I also used the TID18, but stopped pushing the trigger as soon as it started to impact (speed 2).
This gave me a good 1/4 turn before the torque wrench clicked.

Happy as a camper with these two...


Offline six-point socket II

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2020, 03:15 PM »
Awesome! (Still pains me to see it being done, but your tool, your choice.)

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Oliver
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Oliver

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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2020, 03:17 PM »
Sure the TID can..
The little 12V on the left of the brothers seen here just loosened my wheel bolt (alloy wheels), close to 120Nm. The bigger is almost 60Nm more than it’s little brother and the same as TID18 (180Nm)
It shouldn’t have been more than 90Nm.. but now it is @90 using the correct bits for the job:


Edit: But I do not use my impacts for this (car shops do..), I use pneumatic and more correctly as Grobkushelig correctly is showing a proper torque wrench.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2020, 03:24 PM by FestitaMakool »
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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2020, 03:57 PM »
Not on my big ag tractor, on which I attach the lug nuts at 450 lb ft. :)
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Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2020, 04:17 PM »
...Still pains me to see it being done, but your tool, your choice....

I don’t really see an issue since the usage is well below the torque limits of the TID and at least in my mind there should not be any difference between how the torque is “seen” by the machine, since it always only has the 1/4” bit interface.

Looking at a smaller bolt or a Torx screw, you would face a similar range of forces, also applied through the same interface...

For sure I would go for a different tool in a commercial auto shop, but for the 2 times per year that I change tires, the old saying is applied:
“The tool cost enough, it’d better be able to do the job...!” ;)

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2020, 04:18 PM »
Not on my big ag tractor, on which I attach the lug nuts at 450 lb ft. :)

Well you could strip them with Milwaukee’s 2000+ Nm M18 impact:
Not recommended though [big grin]
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Offline ach_78

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2020, 01:56 PM »
For the sake of the experiment, I have cranked wheel bolts to 200N.m
Not willing to try higher

TID in position 2 : came out in maybe 2 seconds
In position 3 : took maybe 1 second

Tightening in position 1, lug was almost there at 100N.m, finished with the torque wrench.
Battery was a 5,2Ah battery around 70% charged.

Pretty impressed at the results. Didn’t think it was so powerful.

So to answer the original question, I’d say working on lug nuts is definitely well within the working enveloppe of the TID 18. It’s not a 1/2” air impact though, so I guess a seized bolt could stop it.

Properly torqued, clean bolts won’t be a problem.

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2020, 01:59 PM »
Wow!

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Can the new Impact Driver TID 18 be used to loosen wheel lugs?
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2020, 05:02 PM »
If need be I could crank out lugs with my teeth — but I do not want to...
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