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Offline kazas

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Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« on: September 10, 2022, 01:21 PM »
Can i use this bit:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/CMT-Orange-Tools-312-050-11-Drill-Drills/dp/B00JBJFK10

for drilling vertical holes with an OF1010 router?

Has anyone use it before with a router?


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Offline Packard

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2022, 01:57 PM »
It is not clear to me what you mean by vertical holes.  It appears to be a bit for drilling shelf pin holes.

Note:  CMT makes these bits in clockwise and anti-clockwise rotations. Make sure you order the right one.

Also they make these with various size shafts. Make sure you have a collet to fit.

But it appears to be a moot point. They have none to sell.

Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2022, 02:02 PM »
Yes, the description states it is its intended purpose (for use with a router or mafell duo doweler). Festool makes a similar bit for use with the LR32 system.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2022, 02:04 PM by Frank-Jan »

Offline kazas

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2022, 02:11 PM »
Thanks for the reply. Yes by saying "vertical holes" i mean shelf pin holes. Totally new in woodworking so not familiar with all the terminology yet.

I have an OF1010 router, an LR32 guide rail and a Guide plate FP-LR 32. The truth is that i have already bought this bit from a local dealer and i am not sure if i can use it for this purpose.

Offline Packard

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2022, 03:22 PM »
They use the same bit for single and multi-head drilling.  So it works fine at hand held electric drill and drill press speeds.  The multihead unit requires both right hand and left hand bits which is why I mentioned that earlier.

I have the single bit adapter.  It works like a Vix bit on steroids.  I use it with a hand held electric drill. 

This is the hand held bit holder.  I use it with a CMT dowel jig.


Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2022, 04:25 PM »
It's mostly about RPM. Even at its slowest speed, a router spins far faster than a drill. As long as the bit in question is rated for that kind of speed, it should be ok. I would hope that most of what you will find that would actually fit into a router, (lengthwise) would work, but don't assume without checking the speed ratings.
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Offline kotto

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2022, 04:37 PM »
No, because this cutter has a flat on the side.You need 540.050.11 for 1010 router
« Last Edit: September 10, 2022, 04:39 PM by kotto »

Offline afish

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2022, 06:55 PM »
I used one with a flat on the side for years with a collet adaptor in a router without any issues.  Not saying its the preferred method but I had zero issues with thousands of holes accomplished.   

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2022, 05:26 AM »
I used one with a flat on the side for years with a collet adaptor in a router without any issues.  Not saying its the preferred method but I had zero issues with thousands of holes accomplished.

That sounds like one designed for a line boring machine. It probably has a length adjustment screw in the end, because they are intended to be bottomed-out in the spindle. Steel body with abrad-point carbide tip.
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Offline kazas

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2022, 05:52 AM »
Thank you all for your replies.

Yes it has a flat on the side and it also has a 4500 RPM maximum rating on its package. Does this make it NOT suitable for this kind of job?

If so does anyone know if the 5mm bit contained in this set:

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/584100---lr-32-sys

sold separately?

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2022, 06:16 AM »
Yes, you can buy any of the bits from the set.
One is brad-pointed, for flat bottomed holes
One is spear pointed, for drilling through holes cleanly
The big one is for hinge cups of concealed hinges.
Depending on where you are, retailers may not stock them, but the on-line sellers have them all.
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Offline Mini Me

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2022, 07:22 AM »
For rated high speed drilling in a router or similar use carbide bits.

Offline kazas

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2022, 07:35 AM »

Offline afish

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2022, 08:24 AM »
I used one with a flat on the side for years with a collet adaptor in a router without any issues.  Not saying its the preferred method but I had zero issues with thousands of holes accomplished.

That sounds like one designed for a line boring machine. It probably has a length adjustment screw in the end, because they are intended to be bottomed-out in the spindle. Steel body with abrad-point carbide tip.

Correct, they do make solid carbide ones also but I have broken 2 of them from dropping them so now I just buy the steel body with carbide tip.  Not sure about about OP bit with a max RPM of 4500 that seems really low .  They are also used in CNC boring/drill heads.  I checked my speeds and feeds and my 5mm boring bit is set to spin at 10,000 rpm.  I use both CMT and Amana. I see no RPM rating on the bits which is odd but there is a rpm rating on the tool holder of 10k. Amana does make a tool holder for them that adapts them from 10mm to 1/2" shank but it would add to much length to be used in hand held router.  While the flat spot is not ideal there is no lateral load on the bit and its just a short depth there is very little stress put on the bit or collet.  Im not saying I recommend it, only that I have done thousands of holes with one in a router with zero issues.  However there are also those people out there that still manage to get chewed up while following every safety precaution in the book.  So one size does not fit all.     

Offline Packard

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2022, 09:19 AM »
My observation is that they make down-cut bits (usually for through holes) and those do not tear up the entry hole.  These also work for cutting dadoes.

And they make up-cut bits (usually for blind holes) and those tend to chip the surface veneer on the hole. 

They made straight flute bits, usually for cutting dadoes. 

From my experience CMT, Freud and Whiteside all make excellent bits.  My preference is Whiteside.  The Freud bits come in a much nicer packaging though.  I have gotten good use from all of them.

I have not purchased any Festool bits, so no information from me on that.  Only that they almost certainly do not produce these in house.  So they may change vendors from time to time.

CMT & Freud are Italian companies, but not all of their items are produced in Italy.

Whiteside is an American company and they say all of their items are produced in the USA.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Can i use this bit for vertical holes
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2022, 10:47 AM »
I don't see the flat spot being an issue in a collet. They are not so great in drill chucks, where it is hard to get the flat spot away from one of the jaws.
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PS420 + Base kit
OF1010
OF1010F
OF1400
MFK700 (2)
TS55, FS1080, FS1400 holey, FS1900, FS3000
CT26E + Workshop cleaning set
RO90
RO125
ETS EC 125
RAS115
ETS 125 (2)
TS75
Shaper Origin/Workstation
MFT clamps set
Installers set
Centrotech organizer set