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Offline Alanbach

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Calling all experienced Domino users
« on: September 18, 2019, 01:51 PM »
Ok people, I finally pulled the trigger on the DF 500. The recent promotion put me over the top. I also bought an empty Domino Systainer and 6,8 (both sizes) and 10mm dominos. Under this promotion it comes with the 5,6,8 and 10mm cutters.

I like to have my accessory game pretty together. I hate getting into a project and having to stop while I search down something that I need if I should have been able to anticipate the need. That’s where you come in. What else do I need? Please tell me your favorite Domino accessories and those that you use most often or find most invaluable. TIA

Ps. I own a CT 36 but currently I only own the 27mm hose.

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Offline RKA

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2019, 02:15 PM »
For sheet goods and cabinet carcasses, the domiplate from seneca is easily the most used.  TSO's stops are on my list for mortising smaller parts.  Kreg quick clamps with seneca 20mm mounting feet to anchor the clamps to my MFT.
-Raj

Offline deepcreek

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2019, 02:19 PM »
Just bought TSO's BigFoot and love love love it!

Thank you @TSO Products.
Joe Adams
TimberFire Studio
Houston, Texas

http://www.facebook.com/timberfire

Offline Chris Cianci

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2019, 02:58 PM »
I agree with the above statements. However if you follow the hand placements taught in Festool training or pay close attention to the Festool and other UTube videos the domino can be used quite successfully right out of the box. I view the accessories as a bonus and add to the comfort of use .  I’d recommend installing a hook ( like the ones used to hang  a bicycle from the ceiling) nearby your work area as it provides a good place to hang the domino while you are working. That way you don’t trip on the hose and pull the domino to the floor. Kreg rapid clamps and or Festool clamping elements assist in repetitive tasks. In the early days I find it’s good to practice a dry run on hand placement, making level contact, registering the fence  etc etc prior to plunging Have fun

Offline JimD

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2019, 11:57 AM »
I recently bought a XL so I am new at this too.  But I have a trim stop on my list of things to acquire.  Seems like it will be handy for narrow pieces.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2019, 12:03 PM »
I bought the df500 set so I am pretty sure that it comes with the trim stop. I have to look into actual FT accessories a bit more.

These comments have been super helpful for me. I have already ordered the dominoplate and TSO’s Big Foot per some of the recommendations made here and my knowing the types of projects that I have in mind.

Keep those comments coming. I really appreciate the help!

Also. Specifically regarding FT vac hoses. Will the 27mm hose be sufficient?


Offline JimD

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2019, 12:08 PM »
The set comes with the trim stop and also another piece that lets you index off existing holes when doing a string of holes, can't remember what that is called.

Offline Roseland

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2019, 12:16 PM »
+1 for the Domiplate, especially if you make carcasses with a mix of 1/2” and 3/4”.

Andrew
TS55, MFT/3, OF1400, OF1010, CT26, RS100, ETS125, CXS, MFS400, DF-500, Zobos.

Offline RKA

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2019, 02:21 PM »
27mm is fine (and it's the only one that will fit). 
-Raj

Offline mcooley

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2019, 09:30 PM »
I will say with all the hours I have on the machine not needing an accessory is a pretty good testament to the tool. However things that are lacking are not offered currently. For example, it would be nice to actually have an ergonomic grip to help when plunging like the Mafell. Also a light for help registering. I might suggest a small rubber foot on the back to stop it from sliding out on you and hitting the floor. But what it really needs is an easier way to custom set depths and the fence. The plastic cams always worry me. All that said you will probably use the tool more or at least as often without the accessories as with them.

But here is a clever accessory for doing small work etc.

https://ramonvaldezfinefurniture.com/shop/

m

Offline Cheese

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2019, 12:28 AM »
I will say with all the hours I have on the machine not needing an accessory is a pretty good testament to the tool.

I'll echo mcooley's thoughts. Just use it for awhile and you'll then know what you need to purchase.

The first thing I purchased was a Domiplate. However I then realized that the thickness of plywood is not uniform so the Domiplate actually bought me nothing.

Seneca then came out with an imperial thickness gauge which I also purchased. However because again the thickness of imperial plywood materials vary so much, the gauge is basically worthless.

So, $150 bucks later, the two above mentioned accessories lie dormant in the Systainer. They're up for sale...

The only extra items I really need to use is the TSO BigFoot and a selection of inexpensive plastic shims that limit the cutting depth.  Just used the plastic shims this week to produce a series of joined boards that had a uniform spacing.

https://tsoproducts.com/accessories/dbf-45-bigfoot-base-support-bracket-for-festool-domino/

https://traxxas.com/search?keyword=3769
« Last Edit: September 21, 2019, 10:02 AM by Cheese »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2019, 12:43 AM »
Seems like this is the first time I’ve disagreed with Cheese.

I think the Domiplate is very useful despite the variation in thickness of plywood. While the Domiplate can only position the Domino in the approximate center due to the thickness variation it positions the Dominoes absolutely consistently which is far more important.

Without the Domiplate you have to depend on the fence which is susceptible to creeping up the post.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2019, 01:05 AM »
Seems like this is the first time I’ve disagreed with Cheese.

I think the Domiplate is very useful despite the variation in thickness of plywood. While the Domiplate can only position the Domino in the approximate center due to the thickness variation it positions the Dominoes absolutely consistently which is far more important.

Without the Domiplate you have to depend on the fence which is susceptible to creeping up the post.

LOL Michael  [smile]  ...that can only mean 1 of 2 things. Either I'm always right...or your cognitive process is as flawed as mine.  [poke]

I haven't used the Domiplate in more than 2 years. It just really buys me nothing.

And as a born-again  [big grin]  purist, I always wanted the Domino's to be registered in the absolute center of the board/ply. However, after several experiences where I mismarked the proper top surface, I realized that if the Domino was offset a slight amount, say 1-2 mm, the offset was visually noticeable and I was able to join the correct surfaces together without a mismatch in surface height. 
« Last Edit: September 21, 2019, 10:12 AM by Cheese »

Online Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2019, 06:19 AM »
I very much agree with the suck it and see approach. I bought my domino machines as the full kit deals with the various Dominos, cutters and add ons etc. I have never had to add any after market items to enable me to use the machines, and I haven’t opened some of the accessory boxes.

These machines are usable straight out of the box, there is a learning curve but, not a big one.
They are a machine that requires a little extra concentration when setting out.
Got to be one of, if not the most innovative power tool out there.

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2019, 08:14 AM »
Take a class that meets your needs and includes the DF 500 in the curriculum.  You can't possibly go wrong here.   [smile]
- Willy -

 "Remember, a chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of wood higher up." - Brigham Young

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2019, 10:32 AM »
@Sparktrician - I have been looking at the schedule for Greg Paolini’s Festool classes and unfortunately it looks like I have missed them for now. I will keep my eye out for more. I have my eye on the two day General Festool class, what do you think?

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2019, 10:38 AM »
@Sparktrician - I have been looking at the schedule for Greg Paolini’s Festool classes and unfortunately it looks like I have missed them for now. I will keep my eye out for more. I have my eye on the two day General Festool class, what do you think?


@Alanbach, the Festool System Essentials class is a great place to start, if you've never taken a Festool class before. 
- Willy -

 "Remember, a chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of wood higher up." - Brigham Young

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2019, 10:41 AM »
@Sparktrician - Cool! Thank you! I will call them Monday and try to find out more about their upcoming schedule.

Offline Chris Cianci

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2019, 01:55 PM »
I’ve taken several classes from Greg Paolini , Greg is great at technique and teaches in easy to remember ways. Plus you get the benefit of walking through a working cabinet and woodworking shop on your breaks and asking questions to his team about projects, finishes....really anything. There are great classes in a great area to visit, go to dinner,tour Asheville......lots to do

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2019, 05:06 PM »
@Alanbach

google festool training and you'll find te classes. Nothing scheduled now. Nothing has been scheduled in LV or Indiana for a while now. Greg has been having classes regularly .

I asked whats going on with the classes in the Ax Festool folder, but have not gotten a reply. If you find out anything please share it

Offline Rob Z

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2019, 12:21 AM »
Alan, another vote here for the Domiplate.  As noted, you just have to keep track of your reference side because plywood thickness varies.


The Domino, along with the track saw, are two tools I won't ever sell.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2019, 02:19 AM »
Another vote for the Traxxas parts mentioned by @Cheese they are great to give you exact depth plunges when needed and only cost a couple of bucks.

I have all the Festool accessories and have used them all multiple times, but it really comes down to what kind of projects you do...

Offline Master Carpenter

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2019, 06:47 PM »
My favourite domino accessory is the vac-sys. Definitely not necessary, but sure speeds up production when you have a 4’ tall pile of 3/4” ply to plunge mortises into. Quickly clamping ad repositioning parts is a game changer.

I’ve never tried the domiplate, I have the woodpecker base system with the full range of spacers. It does the job, gives a wider range of offsets and is a quality bit of kit.

The above being said, I plunged a few thousand mortises with an out of the box Domino when I got it and it did the job just fine, no accessories required.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2019, 07:36 PM »
If you really want (which is different from need) to buy some accessories, I guess you have been given many choices. If you want to use an accessory that probably is already in your possession, it is the microwave.

Microwaving your dominoes before you do the dry fit (and the final glue-up) will lead to a more pleasant domino experience.

Online Gregor

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2019, 08:01 PM »
I agree with @Cheese, no domiplate (or similar) needed. No issues with fence creeping, in case your domino does that you should send it in for service.

I would suggest the #203170 KV-SYS D8 connector set, not cheap (compared to other fasteners) but excellent to work with.

Also I would suggest a #498899 beech domino set, mainly to get a bargain on a second, spare set of cutters as nothing is more annoying than a cutter breaking in the middle of a project and having to wait for the replacement being delivered. Plus having all sizes at hand can come handy, a domino can quickly turn a user into seeing it as an excellent 'hammer'.

Also I suggest to listen to @ChuckM and his microwave suggestion (or use a normal oven, takes longer though). Should you choose to ignore this you should sand down a bunch of dominos (and mark them with a vivid color) to use for dry fits without having to resort to heavy machinery to get them out again (which can happen with dominos that expanded from airborne moisture).

Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2019, 08:20 PM »
A little late to the party here.  I purchased a DF500 in late 2015 and have used it extensively as is.  I saw many articles, videos and suggestions on why I would want to buy more aftermarket accessories to make it even better. 

Being the cheapskate I sometimes can be, I decided to use this lovely little machine for a while and see what else I really needed.  To my surprise, the only thing I ever found that I needed were MORE DOMINOS. 

I love tool accessories and think they are very cool, and the connector sets are to lust for, but in reality (for my uses) the DF500 set is all that I need and then some.

If I ever decide that I really need a DF500 accessory in the future, I'm betting it will be available within a few days, so I'll just keep plugging along happily  [smile]

Come to think of it........the one accessory I would jump at would be if someone made a more convenient on/off switch for this thing and I know I'm not the only one thinking this.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: September 22, 2019, 08:27 PM by Dick Mahany »

Offline broseiden

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Re: Calling all experienced Domino users
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2019, 07:20 PM »
I bought the DF500 set, and have literally never used either of the accessories. I also later bought the DF700 and adapter, and sold the DF500 as I prefer the big one... First project using the big one I had to mortise in the middle of panels and regretted selling the 500. Oh well.