Author Topic: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18  (Read 3680 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Josh2

  • Posts: 101
Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« on: July 23, 2020, 05:39 PM »
Hi,

I need new blades for my OSC 18. All the blades I have pretty much burned and are unusable now. My default option would have been Festool USB 78/32/Bi. They cost $85 for a 5 pack and I like that they are longer so they can be used with plunge base. But a bit pricy. Any alternative suggestions? For example, are Fein blades a good alternative (about half the price)?

Also: So far, I always used universal blades but they burn pretty quickly when cutting wood. Are wood blades much better?



Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline rst

  • Posts: 2532
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2020, 08:49 PM »
I use Bosch blades more often than not

Offline Bernmc

  • Posts: 75
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2020, 12:26 AM »
Apart from the original Fe$tool blade that came with the OSC, all of my blades are Fein. Happy with them, although I can't really compare with anything else as they're all I've used.

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 8144
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2020, 10:58 AM »
I use Festool, Fein and Bosch it just depends on what I'm doing. I've also had good luck with Imperial blades manufactured in Wisconsin. Most of them are TiN coated and seem to last a long time. Woodcraft handles them.

Offline Josh2

  • Posts: 101
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2020, 01:30 PM »
Thanks everyone. Are any of the Fein, Bosch etc blades also longer so that they can be used with the plunge base?

Offline Bencan

  • Posts: 5
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2020, 07:16 PM »
I don’t have the vecturo but I really find the bosh blades with the curved ends are excellent. I am considering a vecturo in the very near future though . Would be a huge upgrade from my Milwaukee


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 8144
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2020, 08:13 PM »
Thanks everyone. Are any of the Fein, Bosch etc blades also longer so that they can be used with the plunge base?

Here's a comparison between the Festool and the Fein.

Some of the Bosch are longer as are the Imperial blades.


Offline Josh2

  • Posts: 101
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2020, 09:22 PM »
I don't think either of these really work with the plunge base. I thought you need the longer length, like the 78mm blade. The Festool 50mm always didn't feel right with the plunge base, which I sometimes use.

Thanks everyone. Are any of the Fein, Bosch etc blades also longer so that they can be used with the plunge base?

Here's a comparison between the Festool and the Fein.

Some of the Bosch are longer as are the Imperial blades.

(Attachment Link)

Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2020, 10:19 PM »
FWIW I only use Bosch carbide blades now - a 10-pack is the gift that keeps on giving:

https://www.ebay.com/c/2256102938

Note - my setup consists of a Fein MM 350QSL paired with the OSC accessory kit. With these blades, there's nothing I can't handle.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2020, 10:47 PM by TinyShop »
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 8144
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2020, 10:26 PM »
I don't think either of these really work with the plunge base. I thought you need the longer length, like the 78mm blade. The Festool 50mm always didn't feel right with the plunge base, which I sometimes use.

I do know they work in the Vecturo 400 plunge base. Maybe the plunge base for the OSC is different...that'd be strange but somehow typical Festool.  [eek]

I've also used the Bosch carbide OSL114C that TinyShop recommends for cutting plaster walls. It's incredible because it just doesn't wear out.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: July 25, 2020, 09:25 AM by Cheese »

Offline yetihunter

  • Posts: 755
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2020, 11:40 PM »
Only the long supercut/starlock max blades from Fein and Festool work with the plunge base.

For Fein, you are looking for blade types 200, 201, 202 and 203.
However, I’ve never come across them being stocked by a supplier and you’re better off buying the Festool branded ones as they’re much easier to get ahold of and they are just about the same price.  (maybe a dollar difference).

The longer blades from Bosch do not work with the plunge base as they are completely straight.
Shorter blades from any make may appear to work, but it’s just not designed with them in mind.

I’ve used every Bosch wood, wood+nail and scraper blade and in my experience the Bosch blades fall off the welded starlock mounting portion or otherwise break under heavy use while the Fein equivalents simply wear down at the business end.   Both do the job equally well and Fein does have curved blades now (if you can find them). 

For general scraper blades, I much prefer the 234 “rigid scraper blade” out of the 3 from Fein and over the ones from anyone else.  It’s very easy to regrind/rehone after chipping it out and burring it up by scraping sealant off of concrete.  It’s also great for glues and general caulk removal.  I strongly dislike the flexible scraper blades.  The Bosch general scrapers are tiny and borderline useless.   For the long cone shaped and rectangular starlock max scrapers that you cut from the side with, I’ve only used the Bosch and I like them but will be ordering the Fein to compare.  For window sealant (the kind on buildings and not cars) pretty much all of them work.

Bosch OSL138K is friggin awesome for cutting carpet and murdering boxes. Fein has a similar “multi knife” but I’ve never seen it out in the wild.  If you live near a big city like I do, you’ll begin to pick up on the trend that all of retailers have a lot of Fein blades on hand, but none of them have a selection worth writing home about.  Meanwhile, if they have Bosch blades, there will be a notable variety.

For cutting into wood, I’ve never...never..noticed much difference between the standard wood nor bi-metal wood and nail blades.  I have fine tooth “japanese” blades and I’ve never touched them, so, who knows.  For cutting nails and staples, no lie, the Bosch carbide blades seem to last longer than the rest. 

The short of it, barring the limited acceptable blades for the plunge base, go with Bosch or Fein and you’ll be good.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2020, 12:15 AM by yetihunter »

Offline yetihunter

  • Posts: 755
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2020, 12:31 AM »
I don't think either of these really work with the plunge base. I thought you need the longer length, like the 78mm blade. The Festool 50mm always didn't feel right with the plunge base, which I sometimes use.

I do know they work in the Vecturo 400 plunge base. Maybe the plunge base for the OSC is different...that'd be strange but somehow typical Festool.  [eek]

I've also used the Bosch carbide OSL114C that TinyShop recommends for cutting plaster walls. It's incredible because it just doesn't wear out.  [big grin]

They added a garbage depth collar to the OSC18 version.  But that is irrelevant.   They’re the same in the blade length requirement because they both have the flush mounted magnet.  You’re shortening the life of the blade and also weeble wobobbling your cut line if you use the shorter blades on it.   It’s meant to be used in such a way that the blade is touching the magnet when completely unplunged.  If the magnet “feature” (supposedly keeps the blade straight) wasn’t there, you could use any length of blade.  I’ll post pics on Monday.


Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2020, 12:52 AM »
@yetihunter - are we saying something different from one another? In my experience, as long as the blade is "offset" (as opposed to "straight") it is compatible with the plunge base. The amount of offset must be a standard of some kind since every Bosch offset blade I've used has worked with the plunge base. Let's be honest here, too: the Fein and Festool blades are essentially if not completely identical, made in the same German factory and just baring different branding. The Bosch blade are made in Switzerland and are probably also available in other-branding.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2020, 02:35 PM by TinyShop »
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Offline yetihunter

  • Posts: 755
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2020, 01:02 AM »
@yetihunter - are we saying something from each other? In my experience, as long as the blade is "offset" (as opposed to "straight") it is compatible with the plunge base. The amount of offset must be a standard of some kind since every Bosch offset blade I've used has worked with the plunge base. Let's be honest here, too: the Fein and Festool blades are essentially if not completely identical, made in the same German factory and just baring different branding. The Bosch blade are made in Switzerland and are probably also available in other-branding.

It works and it doesn’t.  You’re supposed to only use the longer blades.  That’s how it was engineered/designed.  There’s a magnet at the base that is supposed to aid with alignment.  It’s only your friend with the longer blades.  It becomes your enemy when you use the shorter blades.  If you’ve been using the shorter blades without an issue, then don’t worry about it.   

Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2020, 12:32 PM »
@yetihunter - got it. I guess I haven't encountered a situation where I've had reason to try a short offset blade in conjunction with the plunge base. That said, I only ever buy long offset blades anyways so that probably explains why I've never encountered the non-compatability issue you speak of.
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Offline yetihunter

  • Posts: 755
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2020, 01:33 AM »
Yeah, I literally have no real reason to buy longer cutting blades so I learned about needing them on the plunge accessory the hard way.  So I bought some long Bosch blades (as that was what was immediately available to me), completely brainfarting about the fact that they’re not offset.  😂

I have walked the wrong path so that others need not follow.

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 8144
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2020, 02:28 AM »
I have walked the wrong path so that others need not follow.

100 LOL’s

Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2020, 02:31 PM »
@yetihunter - Don't feel bad.  The moment my OSC accessory kit showed up (direct from Europe about a year ago), in the second I had to review its contents before heading out to do something else, I determined that the plunge base wasn't compatible with my Fein MM 350QSL. My evaluation consisted of me grabbing my MM, fitting the Festool collar to it, installing a blade and then attempting to twist the plunge base into place. My rash evaluation overlooked the fact that I'd grabbed a straight (not offset) blade so, of course, the plunge base wouldn't work. Regardless of the make and model of tool in play, it requires an offset blade. Thereafter, and before I'd had a chance to revist the issue myself, I alerted the FOG to the (non-existent) problem only for a kind fellow-member to point out the obvious. We all do silly stuff from time to time! :)   
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2020, 11:15 PM »
Having since tripped and fallen down the rabbit hole of "various blade lengths", I can report that all of the rectangular offset blades that are included in the run-of-the-mill, Swiss-made, Bosch OSL006 blade set (the OSL114, OSL114MF, OSL114JF and OSL114 BIM), all of which measure a full four inches in length (from end to end), are all perfectly compatible with the OSC plunge base. In other words, the slots they cut are perfectly in-line with and plumb to the sliding-action of the plunge base. In use, I can see no detrimental effect of using any of these blades in conjunction with the plunge base. There's plenty of excess travel in the sliding action of the plunge base to allow for the use of 4" long blades. 

In comparison, the Festool-branded blade that some retailers at least are making the point of stating is specifically spec'd for the plunge base (Festool 500129) - though, I need to point out that, unless it says so in the OSC owner's manual (which I haven't bothered to read since I don't own an OSC), I can't find any official mention anywhere by Festool of the absolute requirement to use this long blade and only this long blade when also using the plunge base - appears to measure out at only just over 3" (78mm to be exact) in length.

Meanwhile, the Swiss-made Bosch OSL134C carbide-tipped blade (straight/rectangular with an offset) measures 3-1/2" in length and the Swiss-made Bosch OSL114C carbide-tipped blade (also straight/rectangular with an offset) measures 3.61" in length.

So, in conclusion, if the Festool 500129 really is only just over 3" in length - and this needs to be confirmed - and since the other blades I've listed would thus be, in comparison, quite a bit longer than it, then perhaps the guidance we should be putting out there for folks is that, generally speaking (of course, there might be an exception lurking out there somewhere), any straight/rectangular blade that features an offset and that is at least 78mm long will work just fine in conjunction with the plunge base.

Thoughts?
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Online DynaGlide

  • Posts: 898
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2021, 01:18 PM »
Having since tripped and fallen down the rabbit hole of "various blade lengths", I can report that all of the rectangular offset blades that are included in the run-of-the-mill, Swiss-made, Bosch OSL006 blade set (the OSL114, OSL114MF, OSL114JF and OSL114 BIM), all of which measure a full four inches in length (from end to end), are all perfectly compatible with the OSC plunge base. In other words, the slots they cut are perfectly in-line with and plumb to the sliding-action of the plunge base. In use, I can see no detrimental effect of using any of these blades in conjunction with the plunge base. There's plenty of excess travel in the sliding action of the plunge base to allow for the use of 4" long blades. 

In comparison, the Festool-branded blade that some retailers at least are making the point of stating is specifically spec'd for the plunge base (Festool 500129) - though, I need to point out that, unless it says so in the OSC owner's manual (which I haven't bothered to read since I don't own an OSC), I can't find any official mention anywhere by Festool of the absolute requirement to use this long blade and only this long blade when also using the plunge base - appears to measure out at only just over 3" (78mm to be exact) in length.

Meanwhile, the Swiss-made Bosch OSL134C carbide-tipped blade (straight/rectangular with an offset) measures 3-1/2" in length and the Swiss-made Bosch OSL114C carbide-tipped blade (also straight/rectangular with an offset) measures 3.61" in length.

So, in conclusion, if the Festool 500129 really is only just over 3" in length - and this needs to be confirmed - and since the other blades I've listed would thus be, in comparison, quite a bit longer than it, then perhaps the guidance we should be putting out there for folks is that, generally speaking (of course, there might be an exception lurking out there somewhere), any straight/rectangular blade that features an offset and that is at least 78mm long will work just fine in conjunction with the plunge base.

Thoughts?

@TinyShop I have the Festool OSC accessory set for my Fein MM too and ran into the blade length issue. It's been a while but my understanding was the Festool blade had a 3" length for the blade portion itself and was quite a bit longer end to end than other available options. The Festool long blade would contact the magnet and extend beyond it in the resting position, before plunging. Can you confirm these Bosch blades also are long enough to do this?

My problem with a blade that isn't long enough is if you try to use it, you either have to retract the magnet, or push the plunge base down far enough before starting the tool. Otherwise the blade digs into the magnet during the plunge because it's too short.

Pics would be great.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2021, 01:38 PM by DynaGlide »
Instagram @matts.garage

Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2021, 04:54 PM »
@DynaGlide - I wish I could answer your question but I'm away from home and so can't test my theory. I can, however, confirm that the OSL114C measure 3.5" from end-to-end and 2-7/8" from the center of the bottle cap shaped aperture to the tips of the teeth (I happen to have a 10-pack of those in my immediate possession).

So, with the plunge base installed on the tool, what's the measurement from the center of the arbor to the magnet?
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Offline mkasdin

  • Posts: 474
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2021, 01:26 PM »
I use Fein with the newer Starlock connection. I own the 350 multi master. The blades have numbers and correspond to various applications. It’s a bit confusing but I have the Fein catalogue which cross references everything. It’s a razor vs blades marketing strategy. Give away the tool and make up for it on the consumable blades. They do last and the MM is a beast.

Online DynaGlide

  • Posts: 898
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2021, 02:44 PM »
@TinyShop Let's put this to bed. I just received my OSC 18 and it included the 'long' 78mm blade from Festool. End to end it actually measures about 124mm:



In the plunge base, it makes contact with the magnet pre-plunge:



The longest blade I had access to between my Fein and Bosch sets measured about 110mm long:





It is not long enough pre-plunge to contact the magnet:



Additionally the coating on that particular blade made it non-magnetic.

Whether or not these things matter is for each person to decide. However, to use the tool as designed with the magnet holding the blade, it would seem the only option is the expensive Festool blade which requires Starlock Max.

For me I needed to cut some 3/4" hardwood flooring with the Fein Multimaster and grabbed the plunge base to do it and realized none of my blades at the time were long enough to cut all the way through.

Hope this helps,
Matt

« Last Edit: January 21, 2021, 02:47 PM by DynaGlide »
Instagram @matts.garage

Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2021, 07:43 PM »
@DynaGlide - Thanks for following up on this!

Looking back at photos from an earlier project, I found this:





I recall in the above instance that the only thing I had to do was to adjust the magnet such that it grabbed the blade as it passed - this was enough to allow the shorter blade to cut plumb to the travel of the plunge base. In my case, I was cutting along a pencil line into sheetrock and the plunge cuts were perfect. Of course, maybe if the material in question is less forgiving (like what you were working with) accuracy will suffer. Is this what you found?

Funny how not knowing something is often all one needs to know to "just get on with it". I didn't know any better and I didn't suffer any ill-effects from using the plunge base with an "unapproved" blade. Go figure.

Also, I could see this 'short-blade workaround' potentially not working with a short blade that features a coated tip - like the Fein diamond blade (63502193210) I recently picked up for a spring cement siding repair job - since the built-up edge of the cutting surface is ever so slightly thicker than the rest of the blade. In that case, I suppose it's possible that the coated diamond or carbide tip would not clear the magnet and chew it up in the process.

That said, I think that as long as one takes this limitation into account, use of the plunge base with blades shorter than the non-Multimaster-compatible Starlock Max 203337 blade is perfectly doable (that is, as long as one doesn't need to achieve the max depth afforded by that extra long blade - in which case it would appear to be the only option).

[following some quick research] By the way, both Fein and Bosch make a variety of super-long Starlock Max blades (like the Fein 63502203260, for instance, which appears to be the Fein-branded version of the Festool 203337 or the Bosch OSM200F which appears to be quite similar). Bosch even makes super-long Starlock Max blades with carbide tips (like the Bosch OSM114C).

You know, it just dawned me, but the one thing that defines Starlock Max blades (and makes them unique among all the other Starlock Plus and Starlock blade offerings) is their super long length (a little late to the party, I know). So, no matter what, if the desire is to utilize a blade that contacts the adjustable magnet in the plunge base before any action is taken to compress the springs inside the plunge base, then one cannot use this accessory in conjunction with a Multimaster. Good to know. Of course, as I already pointed out, I didn't experience any problems from doing so, so it definitely appears to be an option (the most obvious workaround, as you've already pointed out, is to slowly actuate the plunge base until the magnet grabs the blade and then proceed as normal).

All that said, now I'm wondering if the plunge base can be modified in order to, in-effect, "choke" the uncompressed-end of its travel. I'll have to look into this. I would think that anyone who owns an OSC or the corded or cordless Fein-branded comparables (those which can be successfully fitted with the OSC accessory mounting collar) would like the flexibility of being able to use the plunge base as intended along with far less expensive Starlock Plus blades. I know I certainly would.

Thanks again. :)
« Last Edit: January 21, 2021, 07:56 PM by TinyShop »
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2021, 11:25 PM »
Amazing what a few minutes on the internet can lead to....

So, it turns out that Bosch once produced (or maybe still produces, I haven't yet been able to find the answer to that question) super-long offset blades with the OIS interface:

https://www.master-outillage.com/bosch/39358-lame-de-scie-plongeante-hcs-speed-aiz-32-ec-bois-70-x-32-mm-bosch-professionnel-2608662309-3165140773300.html

A quick search reveals that at least one French retailer, one Polish retailer and some Russian retailers (among others) still have stock of this blade.

So, what does this have to do with this discussion?

Well, an enterprising maker in Norway is producing the following adapter (which allows backwards compatibility between a Starlock Plus tool like the 350QSL and OIS and universal tooling):

https://www.oslotoolcompany.no/pages/starlock-adapter

Here's the video detailing the adapter:



I can't tell from the product video but the adapter doesn't appear to add that much by way of stack height (if anything at all?) relative to the corresponding layout of a Starlock-style blade. Therefore, I'm curious (and will reach out to the adapter manufacturer to see if they happen to know) if use of this adapter fitted to a Multimaster 350 QSL - along with a super-long Bosch AIZ 32 BLC 70x32 C-Tec GOP Cutting Blade for Wood (2608662309) - would a) work with the OSC plunge base and, if so, b) if it would resolve the cutting depth limitation that @DynaGlide discovered when using the OSC plunge base in conjunction with a MultiMaster 350QSL (and its correspondingly shorter blades). I'll report back with what I find out.

Now, closer to home (at least for those of us in N.A.) there's this U.S.-made option for super-long (70mm) universal-fit blades (which the above adapter is compatible with):

https://imperialblades.com/product/iboa133-extended-plunge-thick-wood-blade/

Lee Valley retails them:

https://www.leevalley.com/en-gb/shop/tools/power-tool-accessories/saw-blades/oscillating-saw/71693-oscillating-multi-tool-high-carbon-steel-cutters-by-imperial-blades?item=77J5904

Of course, many no-name Chinese brands proliferate. Here's just one example:

https://www.amazon.com/EZARC-Titanium-Oscillating-Multitool-Extra-Long/dp/B07L95SH5R

This particular blade (although Chinese in origin) as well as the aforecited U.S.-made example appear to match the same 70mm blade (not overall, that widely used technical naming protocol is confusing) length as the Bosch C-Tec blade I referenced earlier. If so, it would appear they are only 8mm shorter in length than the long Festool/Fein blade. As an aside, I'm going to go out on a limb and say they are all likely copies of the Bosch version. Anyways, here's another extra-long (also known as "long-reach") blade option (I'm going to guess that all of the various Chinese versions are produced in the same factory):

https://www.rykerhardware.com/products/extened-reach-wood-plastic-oscillating-saw-blades
     
Stay tuned!


Other info sources:

https://www.jlconline.com/tools/power-tools/bosch-and-fein-announce-changes-to-oscillating-tools_o

https://toolguyd.com/new-bosch-ois-standard-for-oscillating-multi-tool-accessories/

https://toolguyd.com/bosch-starlock-blades-for-your-older-oscillating-multi-tool-question/
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Online DynaGlide

  • Posts: 898
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2021, 06:13 AM »
@TinyShop I'm glad you're on the case!  [blink] I'd love a source for cheaper similar long blades that function as well as the Festool. I don't see myself spending $85 for a five pack if I can help it. Although it isn't terrible compared to the per blade price of Fein and Bosch.
Instagram @matts.garage

Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2021, 06:54 PM »
OK, after some back and forth with Oslo Tool Company, I finally received the clarification I needed to be able to upload this post.

First, after some initial confusion, I can confirm that this adapter will work perfectly in conjunction with a Fein MM 350QSL. In contrast, it will not work with any predecessor model of MultiMaster (so, for instance, the 350Q is not compatible). The tool in question must be Starlock Plus (or higher). 

[02/02/2021 edit - See follow-up comment below.] Second, I can confirm that the (what I'm calling) "stack-height" of this adapter matches the stack-height of a standard Starlock Plus blade. In other words, the thickness of this adapter is 5mm which matches the ~5mm thickness of the corresponding 3-dimensional "bottle-cap" portion of a Starlock Plus blade (the following image shows a Bosch OSL114C blade and the dimensions I took from it using an inexpensive digital caliper):



Note - There’s a bit of variation that results from the deformation that the blade undergoes when the Starlock Plus 3-dimensional shape is pressed into it, hence my individual measurements (4.95mm + 1.32mm) don’t add up to the total (5.99mm). But you get the idea.

So, unless I'm missing something, it would appear that my idea of using Oslo Tool Company's adapter (fitted to a long-reach universal blade and installed in a Starlock Plus Fein MM350QSL) in conjunction with the Festool OSC plunge guide is, in fact, a sound and worthwhile goal.

The only caveat is that I'm still not clear how a universal-fit long-reach blade (like the Imperial OneFit Extended Plunge Thick Wood blade) measures up to the SuperCut "SuperMax" blades in terms of length. So, for an apples to apples comparison, @DynaGlide, could you please provide the center-to-tip measurement of your SuperMax blade? Here I am referring to the following:

« Last Edit: February 01, 2021, 06:13 PM by TinyShop »
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Online DynaGlide

  • Posts: 898
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2021, 09:23 AM »
@TinyShop The measurement you asked for is 104mm.
Instagram @matts.garage

Offline TinyShop

  • Posts: 520
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2021, 06:07 PM »
Correction needed for my previous post. Apparently, the adapter produced by Oslo Tool actually results in an associated blade being offset away from the head of the tool by ~5mm (compared to a standard Starlock Plus blade). In practice, this means that the rear face/underside of a given blade will stand off (away) from the magnet in the base of the plunge guide by ~5mm (compared to stand of a Starlock Plus blade). Either I misunderstood the initial reply from Oslo Tool or their answer was misleading (English not being the first language of the person who's been answering my questions, this isn't entirely unexpected). Anyways, is there enough adjustment (a.k.a. "in and out travel") in the magnet to swallow this up?

Also, having since sent a followup email, I'm still waiting to hear back from Imperial Blades. I requested the length of their long reach universal fit blade (measured from the center of the mounting aperture to the tip) to enable a comparison between it and the super long Festool/Fein supercut blades. I'll post their response when I receive it.
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

[po] pre-owned   [n] new   [nos] new old stock   [h] heirloom   (XX) country of origin

Offline Warg

  • Posts: 16
Re: Blade recommendation for Festool Vecturo OSC 18
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2021, 03:55 PM »
The Festool blades are a 78mm long working length 32mm wide hence the 78/32/Bi/OSC marking on them.

The fein alternative is part number 63502201210 more easily identified as a Fein Starlock MAX 201 which is exactly 78mm long working length, 32 mm wide

Fein also do a 203 blade which is 78mm long, 42mm wide part number 63502203210 which is also Starlock MAX.

As previously said by yetihunter, if using with plunge base then 78mm working length is a must as to be long enough to attack to magnets at bottom of plunge base. Any shorter is not recommended.

The FEIN blades retail for around £7 here in the UK.

A side note is these blades are only suitable for the Vecturo OSC18 and FEIN Supercut as they are identical machines or others on the Starlock MAX platform.

NOT FEIN Multimaster or equivalent which use Starlock Plus.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2021, 03:58 PM by Warg »