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The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« on: October 09, 2012, 03:29 PM »
I have put a very short video together to demonstrate that the new Carvex PS420 is more than able to cut big lumps of wood. I will be producing a full review in due course but a couple of days in bed with flu have set me back several weeks - I just hate getting behind in my work.



The machine has been supplied by Festool and is to be returned.

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RE: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2012, 03:38 PM »
Satisfies me

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RE: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 03:45 PM »
Peter,

You didn't mention what the dimensions were of the maple.  Please?

You sound like you might not be feeling 100%.  Hope you feel better.

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RE: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2012, 03:49 PM »
Peter,

You didn't mention what the dimensions were of the maple.  Please?

You sound like you might not be feeling 100%.  Hope you feel better.

Peter

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RE: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2012, 03:55 PM »
Sorry, you are right, I am not quite firing on all cylinders.

The maple 'lump' is 110mm x 160mm. I have just measured it again to check.

That piece of wood is so big, heavy and hard that I have not tried to machine it before.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2012, 03:57 PM »
Sadly i read through and tried to respond to the other closed thread too late. What a bunch of ham that all was. Showing a dozen broken blades from such obvious user error.

Anyway, Today I had to cut a shelf to fit around a big 6" stove pipe. The cabinet was already put together so I was cutting with the unit layed on its face. It was extremely dark in there and my makita flash light had a bad bulb. I was certainly wishing for a light and the circle jig.

Wishing the carvex420 a smooth entrance,

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2012, 03:58 PM »
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I think he may be recovering from meeting jmb
I drove to Birmingham to the W12 exhibition on my first day out of bed and was in a bad way by the time I got home. It was a delight to meet JMB and his crew.

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2012, 03:58 PM »
Sorry, you are right, I am not quite firing on all cylinders.

The maple 'lump' is 110mm x 160mm. I have just measured it again to check.

That piece of wood is so big, heavy and hard that I have not tried to machine it before.

Peter


did you try with the blade backwards to see if you could bend them?
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2012, 04:05 PM »
The new 'Carvex' blades are a dash thicker than the old 'Trion' ones. Both can be used in the new machine. The old blades are slightly tapered in section whereas the Carvex ones have parallel sides.

It would be fun to try cutting that maple from underneath - the continental way!

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2012, 04:09 PM »
If you watch (3.09) in to the video you see the carvex goes out of sink  just like mine does.     If Peter had at that time turned the Carvex OFF he would not of been able to remove the blade as it would of most likely of stopped in the downwards position.  

If you keep watching (3.17) you can see the carvex gets its self back into sink and if  Peter had finished his cut and turned the jigsaw off at that time it will stop in the upwards position.  As the video goes on you can see it moves up and down slightly but not enough to drop it out of sink but almost like it wants to  but on mine this happens often leaving me unable to remove the blade on a regular basis unless I use my fingers to flip the level no big deal

Just thought I would mention it as I have been asked and Pip mentioned it in another topic and Peters video shows it well.

If you look you can see a ghost affect of the blade dropping and then rising back up.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2012, 04:12 PM »
Nice one Peter, i pretty much thought it would cut the softwood no problem.  I received my blades from Toolfest today but just too busy to do that test myself.  I will do it & post here to show it was no fluke.
JMB, i did notice that as well, thought i was seeing things.

So much for the Dutch tests eh !
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2012, 04:15 PM »
If you watch (3.09) in to the video you see the carvex goes out of sink  just like mine does.     If Peter had at that time turn the Carvex OFF he would not been able to remove the blade as it would of most likely of stopped in the downwards position.  

If you keep watching (3.17) you can see the carvex gets its self back into sink and if  Peter had finished his cut and turned the jigsaw off at that time it will stop in the upwards position.  

Just thought I would mention it as I have been asked and Pip mentioned it in another topic and Peters video shows it well.

If you look you can see a ghost affect of the blade dropping and then rising back up.

JMB

I had started to do the full video and one of the things that I mention at the beginning is that the machine can do this. If the blade is not in the up position when you switch off but you want to remove the blade then just run it for about 10 seconds and it is back where it should be and you can then operate the blade release gizmo.

I have picked up almost everything that I could from other threads, including small diameter circular holes, letter boxes and so on so, fear not, everything will be in the full video.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2012, 04:16 PM »
Looks to me like the claims from the other review have been fairly well debunked by Peter's video.  [scratch chin]

I knew that would be the case because we've had a Carvex 420 for months now at Festool USA HQ and done this same type of cut numerous times.

Peter even went a step further and cut 110mm thick MAPLE instead of pine. No issues at all.

Peter, thank you for taking the time to test this independently and post your results for all to see even while feeling under the weather.  [thumbs up]

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2012, 04:20 PM »
Thanks for being so kind Shane. I was getting pretty fed up with the nonsense on that other thread and so after it was closed I decided that a quick demo would sort the issue out.

I am still not sure what I will eventually do with that piece of maple - boy is it hard. I have just had my planer knives sharpened and so I am reluctant to put it through just in case (they cost aboy $40 a time to sharpen).

Peter

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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2012, 04:20 PM »
If you watch (3.09) in to the video you see the carvex goes out of sink  just like mine does.     If Peter had at that time turn the Carvex OFF he would not been able to remove the blade as it would of most likely of stopped in the downwards position.  

If you keep watching (3.17) you can see the carvex gets its self back into sink and if  Peter had finished his cut and turned the jigsaw off at that time it will stop in the upwards position.  

Just thought I would mention it as I have been asked and Pip mentioned it in another topic and Peters video shows it well.

If you look you can see a ghost affect of the blade dropping and then rising back up.

JMB

I had started to do the full video and one of the things that I mention at the beginning is that the machine can do this. If the blade is not in the up position when you switch off but you want to remove the blade then just run it for about 10 seconds and it is back where it should be and you can then operate the blade release gizmo.

I have picked up almost everything that I could from other threads, including small diameter circular holes, letter boxes and so on so, fear not, everything will be in the full video.

Peter

Peter

Yes I know this.   Its what I do  but often I have removed the battery first or the battery is dead and then try to remove the blade and notice I cant  using the lever.

I can either stick the battery back on or get a new battery or just use my fingers and flip the locking mechanism my self as most often the carvex has locked it selfs so you cant manually push it up.

Just little annoying.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2012, 04:21 PM »
...
I think he may be recovering from meeting jmb
I drove to Birmingham to the W12 exhibition on my first day out of bed and was in a bad way by the time I got home. It was a delight to meet JMB and his crew.

Peter

Hhahaha 'his crew' i stood 3 feet from you while you spoke to him at the vacum forming stand then i got distracted somewhere oooing and ahhhing at stuff i cant afford

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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2012, 04:23 PM »
Nice one Peter, i pretty much thought it would cut the softwood no problem.  I received my blades from Toolfest today but just too busy to do that test myself.  I will do it & post here to show it was no fluke.
JMB, i did notice that as well, thought i was seeing things.

So much for the Dutch tests eh !

No not seeing things!    If your using your carvex you look at the ''ghost'' if it showing its low it means it will very likely stop low.  If you leave it running most the time it will eventually rise up again but not always.  So you have to turn it off and turn it back on again and then it should go back up. 

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2012, 04:24 PM »
Just think - we were that close and never got to say hello...

Maybe W14.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2012, 04:26 PM »
Any one spot the difference between Peter`s  video and the other one.............. Peter let the Carvex do the work and did not ram it through the timber. I did not see any white knuckles like on the other video. Thanks Peter

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2012, 04:26 PM »
...
I think he may be recovering from meeting jmb
I drove to Birmingham to the W12 exhibition on my first day out of bed and was in a bad way by the time I got home. It was a delight to meet JMB and his crew.

Peter

Hhahaha 'his crew' i stood 3 feet from you while you spoke to him at the vacum forming stand then i got distracted somewhere oooing and ahhhing at stuff i cant afford


haahaaa yeah your  my CREW!!!!


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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2012, 04:30 PM »
Any one spot the difference between Peter`s  video and the other one.............. Peter let the Carvex do the work and did not ram it through the timber. I did not see any white knuckles like on the other video. Thanks Peter

absolutely. anyone breaking that many blades in a shop setting is a complete  [unsure]

there's been a few times where i've bent a series of blades with a sawzall getting that one tough nail or what have you. but not a jigsaw, in a shop.
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2012, 04:31 PM »
Just think - we were that close and never got to say hello...

Maybe W14.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2012, 06:02 PM »
great job peter.
get well soon.


i think this video should be put at the bottom of the other thread so that anyone reading it will  see the truth before they  leave it. we all know the story but in a few months it will all be forgotten about  and any new members mightnt  get the whole picture


dean you were very rude to peter. you should have said hello , instead you turned your back . bad form dean bad form [big grin] [tongue] [tongue]


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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2012, 06:08 PM »
If you watch (3.09) in to the video you see the carvex goes out of sink  just like mine does.     If Peter had at that time turned the Carvex OFF he would not of been able to remove the blade as it would of most likely of stopped in the downwards position.  

If you keep watching (3.17) you can see the carvex gets its self back into sink and if  Peter had finished his cut and turned the jigsaw off at that time it will stop in the upwards position.  As the video goes on you can see it moves up and down slightly but not enough to drop it out of sink but almost like it wants to  but on mine this happens often leaving me unable to remove the blade on a regular basis unless I use my fingers to flip the level no big deal

Just thought I would mention it as I have been asked and Pip mentioned it in another topic and Peters video shows it well.

If you look you can see a ghost affect of the blade dropping and then rising back up.
JMB

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2012, 06:31 PM »
Peter,

Thank you for posting this quick video!  Awesome!   [thumbs up]

I am really impressed with the battery power on this thing...any idea how long the charge lasted? 

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2012, 07:24 PM »
Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2012, 11:15 PM »
Can't wait to see it available here. The poor carvex that was purposely abused in those videos is a down right shame. 
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2012, 12:16 AM »
Good job Peter! Very impressive on that piece if Maple.

Is there any chance of a response from the Dutch guys or have they been  [ban] ned?

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2012, 01:54 AM »
Peter,

Thank you for posting this quick video!  Awesome!   [thumbs up]

I am really impressed with the battery power on this thing...any idea how long the charge lasted? 

Scot

Hi Scot

I do try to avoid using a tool for the first time on video and had cut about three 600mm  cuts across 30mm kitchen worktop. I had had a few short practice goes on the 100mm square softwood. I am fairly sure that I had done three or four practice cuts to get used to the machine. Then I did four in front of the camera (although I only show three - in the very first one I accidentally had the speed down to minimum and it took me until halfway through to realise).  I then started on the big maple and got one third through when the battery died.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2012, 01:57 AM »
Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

chope chope


Thanks Scott

I am not allowed to comment as someone keeps reporting me to Shane and Peter for infringing their human rights.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2012, 02:01 AM »
Good job Peter! Very impressive on that piece if Maple.

Is there any chance of a response from the Dutch guys or have they been  [ban] ned?

I think that they should be given another 24 hours to tell the full story about their tests.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2012, 06:18 AM »
Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

chope chope


Thanks Scott

I am not allowed to comment as someone keeps reporting me to Shane and Peter for infringing their human rights.

Peter

Odd. I've never found you to be particularly offensive. You are a class act, thanks for your contributions.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2012, 06:43 AM »
Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

chope chope


Thanks Scott

I am not allowed to comment as someone keeps reporting me to Shane and Peter for infringing their human rights.

Peter


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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2012, 07:42 AM »
I know that many members - including myself - are still hyped up from the thread about the tests on various jigsaws that has now been locked.  One of the points that was repeatedly made was a wish for objectivity.  

Emotions ran high in that thread and I would venture a guess that many of the views of that thread were to see if a train wreck was going to happen.

All of you participating members have made this a community that is friendly and civil.  It is well known that we have a bunch of helpful members; we read here often that many members participate here because of our helpfulness and friendly demeanor.  Let's keep it that way.  Let's talk about tools.

So, how about we cease with the comments about the members here who were participants in that review and let this thread remain objective and as separate as it can be.  I know that might be difficult to do, but let Peter P. do his tests and post his results. Ask questions and make comments about what you see but don't let that other thread and the feelings developed there about personalities pollute this one.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2012, 08:03 AM »
I for one take every tool review with a pinch of salt. Im very happy with my trion at the moment and if it packs up i will look at the 420. If i like it then good for me, if i dont like it then good for me also because I have the 30 days to return it. If you enjoy a tool you purchase then just have fun with it and dont worry what other people might think. And remember, a poor workman always blames his tools.... [cool]
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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2012, 02:28 PM »
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I think that they should be given another 24 hours to tell the full story about their tests.

Peter

Hi so far I did not respond not to ge tthe emotion back into this thread , I asked Peter privately what he did but choose not to post here but if being asked....

I think the full story can be read in the thread that was locked, nothing more to say about that, I think in that thread we have mentioned that it is definitely possible to cut thick lumps of timberwith the Carvex but that it can also go wrong.

What was the difference between Peters test and ours:

* We used the metal guide , maybe blade drift combined with this caused an issue with the Carvex, Carvex manual states use on rails for 20mm only, using the metal guide is comparable to a rail so it could be accepted as being used against instruction form the manufacturer. What's strange here is that the 3 other saws with guides did not show these issues.

* Peter appears to have gotten his hands on the new Carvex blades, we where not able to get these and tested with the Trion blades, this may make a difference, again why only with the Carvex and not with the other 3 saws?

* Peter hardly pushed the saw and let the saw do the job, in our test a gentle amount of pressure was applied to cut faster, is this good practise? debatable probably not, however Carvex is the one that showed the issues and it claims through the higher speed to cut faster.

Thats about it for the differences.

If we take the test from Art at Work into consideration that showed both the same sparks and worn out blades as we saw them that the Carvex is particularly critical to how it's being treated. If handled with greatest care it can do the job but what percentage of people will go beyond that limit in daily (professional) life?

I'm a bit dissapointed in the responses in the three treads that our test if bashed all over , Art of Work his test is better believed while generaly it's the same test with similar results and when Peter posts to succesfully cut a thick piece of lumber everybody seems to forget the rest and only believe he did the right thing, I know some of the posts me and my fellow testers made where at or sometimes over the line, should not have happened but I find it a pitty that the discussion was around that and to disbelieve what we had done rather than to discuss on the actual problem. Sparks in a workshop with dust can easily set your workshop on fire. Should that be possible with a saw positioned at this (basically at any) level in the tool market?

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2012, 02:43 PM »
Rembo,

You seem to focus on the sparks thing.

 I know that if I push my PS 300 in too tight a curve or tighten the guides too tight I will end up with sparks. That however is entirely user error and not the fault of the machine.

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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2012, 02:46 PM »
Remco/Rian/Jan, this debate will not be allowed to spill over into this thread. You were giving your chance to provide plenty of comments about your tests and the results. If you want to talk about this thread, fine. The conversation from your thread about your review sponsored by the Mafell dealer has ended.

I will remove any posts that are further conversation from the locked thread. It was locked for a reason.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2012, 03:00 PM »
 I was taught to use the right tool for the right job.

So in any situation at my workplace I would not even consider using a jigsaw to cut large timbers.

The main reason is that they are not primarily used for this purpose and I want to get longevity out of my tools.

Its almost like some extreme testing using a tool beyond its capacity or who can burn out the armature the fastest!

Yes it does say its capable of cutting deep timbers in the manual ( I am refering to all makes of jigsaw) but a practical tool for this purpose?  it is not.

When I bought my carvex I had several things in mind but using it as a mini chainsaw was not one of them.

Even on medium size timbers using a circular saw I would do several passes. Mainly to protect and prolong the life of the tool. Obviously jigsaws get one pass because of blade arrangement.

I would like to see comparisons from someone cutting complex curves in suitable material and comparing jigsaws in that way. I dont expect my jigsaw to be able to cut down telegraph poles quickly or railway sleepers!!!
I just want it to be easy to use and accurate.

Every craftsman has different physical strenght so it is logical that different people cut at a different pace.

Peter has resolved the fact that the carvex was not tested properly and I thank him for it, even though I cringed watching the jigsaw being used in that way.

This is just my personal opinion and I always tell my apprentices that your tools are your "bread and butter" and should be maintained and looked after.

Unfortunately using the right tool for the right jobs means buying lots and lots of tools [tongue]

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2012, 03:12 PM »
hi Shane, looking at this thread it seems that we all have the opportunity  to look at the test from pip and peter both of which show different results , i myself have used the carvex 420 and i have had no issues with blade burn, sparks or bad cuts, if more people come forward on here who actually own a carvex 420 we would then know how this saw compares to it's predecessor the 400, only then will we find out how good the new 420 is and if it shows to be good or bad at least we shall know it was shown by end users like myself , i know it's still early days as the 420 is still relatively new in Europe so i guess this may take a little longer, still anyone not happy can within thirty days send the tool back and get a refund  surely that's long enough to know if it's any good ? , green .

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2012, 03:21 PM »
I did a short review of my Carvex PS 420 but did not get many response due to the consternation of the Dutch test.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2012, 04:05 PM »
I recall a post a while back by someone complaining about not getting square cuts in framing studs using a jigsaw. I remember at the time thinking "who the he'll uses a jigsaw to cut studs?". Am I the only one who thinks this whole thick timbers cut with jigsaw business is out of hand? It seems evident that no jigsaw on the market, despite any bias, can do the job properly. Regardless, i'm happy with my trion for now and won't be forking over the pile for another "high end" jigsaw for a while.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2012, 04:09 PM »
you already have one  ;)

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2012, 06:06 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks this whole thick timbers cut with jigsaw business is out of hand?

I've used my Trion to cut ogees, ovolos and other architectural profiles on 4-5 inch thick sticks.  This was was for arbor/pergola/decking type work.

Most of the sticks were 20 feet long so taking them to a bandsaw wasn't practical.  Portable bandsaws don't have maneuverability needed for these cuts.  The Trion performed very well.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2012, 06:54 PM »
Incredible that a battery powered tool can do that.

That handheld bandsaw is the coolest thing I've ever seen. I have zero need for one now or ever but I want to go and buy one now.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2012, 07:39 PM »


What was the difference between Peters test and ours:

* We used the metal guide , maybe blade drift combined with this caused an issue with the Carvex, Carvex manual states use on rails for 20mm only, using the metal guide is comparable to a rail so it could be accepted as being used against instruction form the manufacturer. What's strange here is that the 3 other saws with guides did not show these issues.


That's exactly what happen!   Sorry to say this but you cannot use a jig saw with a guide and expect to get a straight cut.
The blade needs to be parallel with the foot,witch is pretty hard to do or check since the blade is so small.
MAYBE YOU NEED TO DO A VIDEO WITHOUT USING THE METAL GUIDE!?
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2012, 07:54 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks this whole thick timbers cut with jigsaw business is out of hand?

You may rest safely assured that you are not. Its an impressive extreme demo, but thats about it, for me. There are a bunch of better ways to buck logs.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2012, 01:30 AM »
Am I the only one who thinks this whole thick timbers cut with jigsaw business is out of hand?

You may rest safely assured that you are not. Its an impressive extreme demo, but thats about it, for me. There are a bunch of better ways to buck logs.

You are absolutely right. In the unpublished intro of the video review I make that point along with reminding people that there are too many people expecting far too great a quality result from jigsaw work. I hate jigsaws because 99% of my woodwork is fine/delicate work. However, when that 1% comes along it is nice to be able to pull the jigsaw from the drawer.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2012, 05:59 PM »

You may rest safely assured that you are not. Its an impressive extreme demo, but thats about it, for me. There are a bunch of better ways to buck logs.
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You are absolutely right. In the unpublished intro of the video review I make that point along with reminding people that there are too many people expecting far too great a quality result from jigsaw work. I hate jigsaws because 99% of my woodwork is fine/delicate work. However, when that 1% comes along it is nice to be able to pull the jigsaw from the drawer.

Peter
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Again I agree with you Peter, a Jigsaw is not the best for fine work, but I was happily surprised how well the 420 operated with a fine blade and good clean square cuts in the first test I did. It really became a good carving tool.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2012, 01:56 AM »
Hi Pip

I did a lot of work on the proper 420 video last night. I am getting really good quality cuts which are pretty good for square.

Do you remember that you had an issue with the circle cutter cuttting a few mm off the line? I think it was because you were using the wrong marker on the core maker to mark out where your cut would go. In the picture you can see a mark on each side. I have shown a line scribed by each marker as the core maker rotates. The inner one is for the far side and would be the side that the 420 would attach to cut anti clockwise as recommended.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2012, 07:44 AM »
Hi Pip

I did a lot of work on the proper 420 video last night. I am getting really good quality cuts which are pretty good for square.

Do you remember that you had an issue with the circle cutter cuttting a few mm off the line? I think it was because you were using the wrong marker on the core maker to mark out where your cut would go. In the picture you can see a mark on each side. I have shown a line scribed by each marker as the core maker rotates. The inner one is for the far side and would be the side that the 420 would attach to cut anti clockwise as recommended.

Peter

Thanks for bringing that up Peter I forgot to follow up on that point.
 
I asked on the Festool Facebook page as they are really quick at answering. (give them a try if you have a problem)
Another woodworker replied  that the markings on the scale are the size of the hole cut not the core that you cut out.
I checked and my hole was spot on 80 mm

I had put my pencil in the double v of the adaptor and drew a line. I was expecting this to be where the saw blade cut.
I now realise the 2 points are like the twin lasers on the Kapex showing the inner and outer point of the blade.

Thank for you checking this.

I do wish Festool would do something about their Instruction manuals they are so minimal. Most computers and the like now send you a link to download the pdf document which is the detailed version.

Im guessing they want you to go to the shop to ask questions, then they can sell you stuff while you'r their.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2012, 08:35 AM »
Pip

When I used the Core Maker, set to 150mm, I cut an exact 150mm hole. What you describe above is wrong. Look at the picture that I posted and you will see 2 lines, one drawn from the indent on the side that the blade will be and then other drawn following the indent on the other side. They end up about 10mm apart. The only line that is relevant is the one drawn using the indent on the side where the jigsaw blade will be. Using that line you can drill a hole to take the jigsaw blade in preparation for the cut.

Before you can start the cut you have to do a bit of freehand cutting to get the blade spot on the line. Once it is there, you connect the core maker to the base and cut the circle. I cover this in my video which might be on line by this evening.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2012, 07:11 PM »
Pip

When I used the Core Maker, set to 150mm, I cut an exact 150mm hole. What you describe above is wrong. Look at the picture that I posted and you will see 2 lines, one drawn from the indent on the side that the blade will be and then other drawn following the indent on the other side. They end up about 10mm apart. The only line that is relevant is the one drawn using the indent on the side where the jigsaw blade will be. Using that line you can drill a hole to take the jigsaw blade in preparation for the cut.

Before you can start the cut you have to do a bit of freehand cutting to get the blade spot on the line. Once it is there, you connect the core maker to the base and cut the circle. I cover this in my video which might be on line by this evening.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2012, 10:07 AM »
Great video Peter.
I am toying with getting an 18v PS420, and was wondering if I can use batteries from my TI15 on the jigsaw and can I use 18v battery on my TI15, anyone no the answer to this.

Thanks

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2012, 10:44 AM »
Hi JMB

I am not certain what you mean but everything is set up as it should be and I am sure that is where Pip had gone wrong.

Can you answer the query above about different batteries as I do not have any Festool drill/drivers. I think that a machine of a given voltage can be powered by batteries of the same or lower voltage.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2012, 03:37 PM »
There is a battery compatibilty chart on page # 125 of current 2011/2012 US catalog.

Yes, higher voltage Festool tool can use lower voltage batteries.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2012, 04:16 PM »
Great video Peter.
I am toying with getting an 18v PS420, and was wondering if I can use batteries from my TI15 on the jigsaw and can I use 18v battery on my TI15, anyone no the answer to this.

Thanks

YEs you can the Carvex will run from 10.8v  upto 18v batteries

You can buy the 14v carvex or 18v they are both the same jig saw just come with different batteries.  Only two types of cordless Carvex da is barrel grip and D handle

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2012, 04:20 PM »
There is a battery compatibilty chart on page # 125 of current 2011/2012 US catalog.

Yes, higher voltage Festool tool can use lower voltage batteries.

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A lower voltage carvex will run a higher voltage battery  they are the same jigsaw  just comes with a different batterie

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2012, 02:22 AM »
Thank you all for replies, but if I put 18v carvex battery onto my TI15 will it damage it.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2012, 03:15 AM »
Thank you all for replies, but if I put 18v carvex battery onto my TI15 will it damage it.

No you can't it won't let you clip the battery on it has a small lug which stops you. 

The drill if it's 14.4 you can not stick a 18v in it
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2012, 04:04 AM »
Okay thanks

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2012, 03:48 AM »
I went to the timberyard yesterday with the PSC420 in hand. They were selling off some green oak 'sleepers' very cheap (2.4m long and 240 x 120 mm section - just £5 each). On closer examination the reduction was because they were not uniform in section and one had a curved middle section profile.

I said to the guys, if I can demonstrate that this jigsaw can cut trough that oak will you give it to me? They thought it was a joke and even wanted to put money on it. They agreed the challenge for the oak and I drove away with two pieces of oak that I could only just lift on my own. What amazed the guys most was the quality of the cut - it was perfect.

Apart from party tricks like this it is really handy having the PSC420 to hand when at the timberyard.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2012, 01:23 PM »
Great video Peter.
I am toying with getting an 18v PS420, and was wondering if I can use batteries from my TI15 on the jigsaw and can I use 18v battery on my TI15, anyone no the answer to this.

Thanks

Took the plunge and bought a carvex 420 and t18 Combo kit. Just wanted to say how amazing the carvex is, puts all the jigsaws I have ever used to shame even surpassing my trion which I didn't think would be bettered. Anyone on the fence regarding purchasing a 420 carvex, don't be you won't be disappointed.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2012, 06:59 AM »
hi Shane, looking at this thread it seems that we all have the opportunity  to look at the test from pip and peter both of which show different results , i myself have used the carvex 420 and i have had no issues with blade burn, sparks or bad cuts, if more people come forward on here who actually own a carvex 420 we would then know how this saw compares to it's predecessor the 400, only then will we find out how good the new 420 is and if it shows to be good or bad at least we shall know it was shown by end users like myself , i know it's still early days as the 420 is still relatively new in Europe so i guess this may take a little longer, still anyone not happy can within thirty days send the tool back and get a refund  surely that's long enough to know if it's any good ? , green .

Yes, it just took 10 minutes and a decent square to figure out things are not good on my new PS420.

I've read the famous jigsaw test so hotly debated here and, being a big fan of Festool,  still went ahead and bought the PS420 last week in Germany after being assured by the sales guy that the problems of the PS400 were no longer present in the PS 420.

I have both the PS300 and PS 400. Not being happy with the PS400, I was going to replace the PS400 with the PS420.

After adjusting the jaws (like on my PS300 which cuts perfect 90 degree cuts in thick timber) I tested the PS420 on 4cm thick softwood.
All the PS420 cuts came out 3-4 mm off on the 4 cm thick piece while the PS300 was dead on 90 degrees, using the same long sawblade.

4 cm is barely more than just two sheets of 18 mm plywood, I hope that doesn't count as overly thick.
The PS300 cuts 7 cm hardwood nice and sqaure, I'm not even going to try it with the PS420.
I can accept that the PS420 is not for cutting 7 cm thick material but two sheets of plywood it should cut without problems.

It's going back. Sad since it is the first Festool that I have to return (although in retrospect I should have returned the PS400 as well).
My PS400 went back to Festool last year and came back unchanged so sending in the PS420 is not an option.
By the time it comes back (holidays etc) the 30 days right of return are about to expire.

Next time, when Festool brings out a new jigsaw and tempts me into trying it, I'll just bring wood to the dealer, have him cut it.
If the cut is not up to spec just try another sample, and another sample, and another sample until we get one that is fine.
Seeing the discussions here, there must be perfectly fine PS420's around, right?






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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2012, 08:29 AM »
Sorry your having trouble so far mine is perfect.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2012, 11:53 AM »
Sorry your having trouble so far mine is perfect.

That is actually what is so troubling about this. Some of the machines seem to be perfectly fine, and that is how I like mine to be as well.

My PS300 for instance is perfect so luckily I can exclude my handling/adjustment as being the cause of this.
Same wood, same sawblade changed over from PS300 to PS420. Conclusion: my PS420 does have a problem.

Since there are both good and bad PS420s out there, there must be some fluctuation in the manufacturing process.
For instance, I can imagine that a slight misallignment between the saw blade holder of the saw blade and the guide would cause this.
Such a misallignment would put an asymmetrical  bias on the blade which initially, when you start, doesn't affect the
squareness but gradually makes the blade go sideways. Or maybe when inserting the blade by turning the blade
doesn't end up dead-on straight because the end of the turning action is not so well defined as the clamp of the PS300.
Mine seems to always deviate relative to square to the same side.
Maybe my PS300/your PS420 happens to be well alligned and the blade can go up and down without stress,
thus staying nice and square throughout the cut.

That would mean that trying several PS420s in the shop would make a lot of sense, so you pick
the one where the factory managed to allign things perfectly. The shop can then either sell the slightly less perfect
PS400/PS420 to people who don't care about cutting square or return them to Festool.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2012, 05:08 PM »
Sorry your having trouble so far mine is perfect.

That is actually what is so troubling about this. Some of the machines seem to be perfectly fine, and that is how I like mine to be as well.

My PS300 for instance is perfect so luckily I can exclude my handling/adjustment as being the cause of this.
Same wood, same sawblade changed over from PS300 to PS420. Conclusion: my PS420 does have a problem.

Since there are both good and bad PS420s out there, there must be some fluctuation in the manufacturing process.
For instance, I can imagine that a slight misallignment between the saw blade holder of the saw blade and the guide would cause this.
Such a misallignment would put an asymmetrical  bias on the blade which initially, when you start, doesn't affect the
squareness but gradually makes the blade go sideways. Or maybe when inserting the blade by turning the blade
doesn't end up dead-on straight because the end of the turning action is not so well defined as the clamp of the PS300.
Mine seems to always deviate relative to square to the same side.
Maybe my PS300/your PS420 happens to be well alligned and the blade can go up and down without stress,
thus staying nice and square throughout the cut.

That would mean that trying several PS420s in the shop would make a lot of sense, so you pick
the one where the factory managed to allign things perfectly. The shop can then either sell the slightly less perfect
PS400/PS420 to people who don't care about cutting square or return them to Festool.

You have only just joined the FOG and you did this especially to tell us about the problems with the Carvex. Well done. If you have the 300 and the 400 why did you buy the 420? If you have had problems with the 400 why did you not ask for your money back? What was the name of the dealer in Germany and what was the name of the sales person at the shop?

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2012, 05:21 PM »
Sorry your having trouble so far mine is perfect.

That is actually what is so troubling about this. Some of the machines seem to be perfectly fine, and that is how I like mine to be as well.

My PS300 for instance is perfect so luckily I can exclude my handling/adjustment as being the cause of this.
Same wood, same sawblade changed over from PS300 to PS420. Conclusion: my PS420 does have a problem.

Since there are both good and bad PS420s out there, there must be some fluctuation in the manufacturing process.
For instance, I can imagine that a slight misallignment between the saw blade holder of the saw blade and the guide would cause this.
Such a misallignment would put an asymmetrical  bias on the blade which initially, when you start, doesn't affect the
squareness but gradually makes the blade go sideways. Or maybe when inserting the blade by turning the blade
doesn't end up dead-on straight because the end of the turning action is not so well defined as the clamp of the PS300.
Mine seems to always deviate relative to square to the same side.
Maybe my PS300/your PS420 happens to be well alligned and the blade can go up and down without stress,
thus staying nice and square throughout the cut.

That would mean that trying several PS420s in the shop would make a lot of sense, so you pick
the one where the factory managed to allign things perfectly. The shop can then either sell the slightly less perfect
PS400/PS420 to people who don't care about cutting square or return them to Festool.

You have only just joined the FOG and you did this especially to tell us about the problems with the Carvex. Well done. If you have the 300 and the 400 why did you buy the 420? If you have had problems with the 400 why did you not ask for your money back? What was the name of the dealer in Germany and what was the name of the sales person at the shop?

Peter

You can't hold just joining FOG to complain about something against him as ALOT of FOG members including me  found and joined FOG because of this very reason to complain about a festool tool
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2012, 05:29 PM »
I agree with JMB's point of view, but I am however, a little wary about new Dutch members posting about the Carvex given the recent thread issues a few weeks ago.

If the post is genuine, then fair enough, he felt he add something to add on the topic and he has a history of owning Festool jigsaws which make his opinion worth hearing. Don't see the point of asking why he bought the tool or where he bought it- it's not relevant to his problems with it- unless this is a rehash of the old thread.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2012, 05:29 PM »
Peter it is customery to welcome  new members and not give them the third degree I know what tree you are barking up and it is not for you to make any premature judgments 
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2012, 05:33 PM »
JMB complain about something?!  [blink]  [poke]

I would only like to say that there is little chance of a fluctuation or variation from machine to machine in the manufacturer process. Anyone who has visited the manufacturing facility would agree. Precision is paramount and there are many safeguards against such variations or defects. We have very, very (almost insanely) high requirements for our components providers.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2012, 05:35 PM »
After all the who ha early on about the so called 420 problems I was slightly put off buying the 420,but after Peters review I felt reassured!
I have had my 420 for a few months now and it is a wonderful jigsaw.
I got it was the accessories systainer and the core cutting attachment exceeds the festool recommendations, I have cut a few port holes in fire doors without issue, dead square and saves me the time of setting a router up.
I am currently making a media unit and the shelves are curved 30mm oak faced plywood (6mm oak on either side with a ply core) and no problems there!

The only downside to any of my festools which are growing in number, is the cost of them. But I see them as an investment.

Peter your reviews are excellent! On the back of them I have purchased the 420, ts55r, and just ordered the mft/3,  Any chance of you reviewing the cxs? I am interested but wonder if it can do the occasional 35mm hinge recess, which would be a done deal!

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2012, 05:36 PM »
That other thread left a bad taste in many mouths.  A recreation of that situation is not going to happen.  Let's remember that it is acceptable to ask questions, give answers, agree and disagree, as long as it is done civilly.  

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2012, 05:47 PM »
JMB complain about something?!  [blink]

I would only like to say that there is little chance of a fluctuation or variation from machine to machine in the manufacturer process. Anyone who has visited the manufacturing facility would agree. Precision is paramount and there are many safeguards against such variations or defects. We have very, very (almost insanely) high requirements for our components providers.

Haa haa if I like something I will say you know it!  I have yet to comment on the carvex 420 since I recieved it I have not used it enough to fully comment and not had time to play around like I normally do hence the lack of videos.   I did say when I had a little play with the new carvex 420 I noticed a big improvement.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2012, 06:21 PM »
I have the Trion PS 300 EQ plus  for several years  now.
When I'm cutting  thick material I leave the pendulum action  off  and the  blade  runs  nicely  in the tungsten guides. Makes perfect cuts. I keep  the guides adjusted  tight for no play.
The  tungsten  guides  are separate  from the  pendulum  lever arm and I think  the new 400 and 420  have these  components  combined together.

So maybe more room for error  in the new machines?
Are the guides adjustable  in the new machines?

Anyway  I  won't be changing  the 300  anytime  soon. Superb machine. I liken it to a portable bandsaw.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #76 on: December 17, 2012, 04:55 AM »
Sorry your having trouble so far mine is perfect.

That is actually what is so troubling about this. Some of the machines seem to be perfectly fine, and that is how I like mine to be as well.

My PS300 for instance is perfect so luckily I can exclude my handling/adjustment as being the cause of this.
Same wood, same sawblade changed over from PS300 to PS420. Conclusion: my PS420 does have a problem.

Since there are both good and bad PS420s out there, there must be some fluctuation in the manufacturing process.
For instance, I can imagine that a slight misallignment between the saw blade holder of the saw blade and the guide would cause this.
Such a misallignment would put an asymmetrical  bias on the blade which initially, when you start, doesn't affect the
squareness but gradually makes the blade go sideways. Or maybe when inserting the blade by turning the blade
doesn't end up dead-on straight because the end of the turning action is not so well defined as the clamp of the PS300.
Mine seems to always deviate relative to square to the same side.
Maybe my PS300/your PS420 happens to be well alligned and the blade can go up and down without stress,
thus staying nice and square throughout the cut.

That would mean that trying several PS420s in the shop would make a lot of sense, so you pick
the one where the factory managed to allign things perfectly. The shop can then either sell the slightly less perfect
PS400/PS420 to people who don't care about cutting square or return them to Festool.

You have only just joined the FOG and you did this especially to tell us about the problems with the Carvex. Well done. If you have the 300 and the 400 why did you buy the 420? If you have had problems with the 400 why did you not ask for your money back? What was the name of the dealer in Germany and what was the name of the sales person at the shop?

Peter

Hi Peter,

I was a lurker for a long time on this forum, reading and learning.
I'm posting because I hope to contribute to a solution to the problem.
By shutting up and returning the PS420 nothing is gained.

Thank you for your interest in where I bought the PS420. The shop is Scheins in Aachen (in business since 1880 or so)
and I have been buying my tools there for the last 35 years and trust them more than anybody when it comes to tools.

All my woodworking tools are Festool and I have been buying Festool since 1995.

Maybe you missed my first message: I bought the PS420,because I don't like the PS400 and assumed that Festool fixed them in the new and improved PS420.
Blade holder didn't always retract so you couldn't eject the blade, blade would jump out of the lower guide, cutting not square, etc.
During the first 30 days I had no application PS400 where it had to cut more than 18mm plywood. Bummer.
Until the PS400 everything I bought worked as expected, no, let me correct that: better than expected.
So when I finally started using it seriously, I found out that it sucked. Too late to get your money back. Bummer.
I send it in, no improvement. Bummer.

Let's just say that with the PS400 I learned my lesson.
I didn't post back then because, given the excellence of the other Festool tools, I considered it a hick-up by Festool.
I bought one of the first PS400 available in Germany so maybe it was just that.  It can happen.

Now that the PS420 is being advertised (and discussed here) as being an improved PS400 I figured I try it and this time round do the tests right away.
And now that, for the second time, they don't seem to get it right, I feel that it is time to post my opinion.

I assume that everybody on this forum (like me) is honest when stating their opinion.
It is consequentially inexplicable why the PS420s are so different.

Are the positive people just trying to promote the PS420?    I assume not. I'm happy with most of my Festool so I understand that other people are as well.
Are the negative people trying to talk the PS420 down?    I'm certainly not. I just have a bad saw. For me it is understandable that others may well have the same PS420 problems.

Peter, maybe we should just exchange our PS420s?

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #77 on: December 17, 2012, 05:03 AM »
I agree with JMB's point of view, but I am however, a little wary about new Dutch members posting about the Carvex given the recent thread issues a few weeks ago.

If the post is genuine, then fair enough, he felt he add something to add on the topic and he has a history of owning Festool jigsaws which make his opinion worth hearing. Don't see the point of asking why he bought the tool or where he bought it- it's not relevant to his problems with it- unless this is a rehash of the old thread.

I read the "Dutch review" back when it was unfolding
When considering to post my message now I was a bit afraid that my opinion would be discounted just because I live in the same country as those guys.

I don't know those guys, never bought anything from them, have only Festool woodworking tools, buy my tools across the border in Germany because I think the Germans give better and more honest advice than the Dutch dealers.

And above all else: in spite of the other "Dutch review" I went ahead and bought the PS420.

What else can I say?

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #78 on: December 17, 2012, 05:09 AM »
I have the Trion PS 300 EQ plus  for several years  now.
When I'm cutting  thick material I leave the pendulum action  off  and the  blade  runs  nicely  in the tungsten guides. Makes perfect cuts. I keep  the guides adjusted  tight for no play.
The  tungsten  guides  are separate  from the  pendulum  lever arm and I think  the new 400 and 420  have these  components  combined together.

So maybe more room for error  in the new machines?
Are the guides adjustable  in the new machines?

Anyway  I  won't be changing  the 300  anytime  soon. Superb machine. I liken it to a portable bandsaw.



Yep, my PS300 is also superb, no complaints there AT ALL.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #79 on: December 17, 2012, 05:09 AM »

Hi Peter,

I was a lurker for a long time on this forum, reading and learning.
I'm posting because I hope to contribute to a solution to the problem.
By shutting up and returning the PS420 nothing is gained.

Thank you for your interest in where I bought the PS420. The shop is Scheins in Aachen (in business since 1880 or so)
and I have been buying my tools there for the last 35 years and trust them more than anybody when it comes to tools.

All my woodworking tools are Festool and I have been buying Festool since 1995.

Maybe you missed my first message: I bought the PS420,because I don't like the PS400 and assumed that Festool fixed them in the new and improved PS420.
Blade holder didn't always retract so you couldn't eject the blade, blade would jump out of the lower guide, cutting not square, etc.
During the first 30 days I had no application PS400 where it had to cut more than 18mm plywood. Bummer.
Until the PS400 everything I bought worked as expected, no, let me correct that: better than expected.
So when I finally started using it seriously, I found out that it sucked. Too late to get your money back. Bummer.
I send it in, no improvement. Bummer.

Let's just say that with the PS400 I learned my lesson.
I didn't post back then because, given the excellence of the other Festool tools, I considered it a hick-up by Festool.
I bought one of the first PS400 available in Germany so maybe it was just that.  It can happen.

Now that the PS420 is being advertised (and discussed here) as being an improved PS400 I figured I try it and this time round do the tests right away.
And now that, for the second time, they don't seem to get it right, I feel that it is time to post my opinion.

I assume that everybody on this forum (like me) is honest when stating their opinion.
It is consequentially inexplicable why the PS420s are so different.

Are the positive people just trying to promote the PS420?    I assume not. I'm happy with most of my Festool so I understand that other people are as well.
Are the negative people trying to talk the PS420 down?    I'm certainly not. I just have a bad saw. For me it is understandable that others may well have the same PS420 problems.

Peter, maybe we should just exchange our PS420s?

I think that you should get the machine sorted out by Festool. The PSC 420 is a brilliant machine and rather than you sorting it out it would serve the Festool community more if Festool themselves could look at it and learn from the process. That way, any improvements will be reflected by Festool and not lost on the FOG.

Trying to sort it out by remote control on the internet is not the best way forward.

I visit the Netherlands every year for cycling holidays (my wife and I have Gazelles recommended by Dutch friends) and I know the Aachen area well. My next trip will, unfortunately, be too late for a 30 day return but I would be quite willing to help either here on the FOG or in Aachen in the Spring.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #80 on: December 17, 2012, 05:32 AM »
Rdebets, i have a somewhat similar story.
I bought the 400 because word was out that that all the initial kinks were worked out, during the trial period i only had light work for it and i was so happy i even sold my Bosch GST135. Then i started using it on tougher tasks and noticed the problems right away, blade wander, vibrations etc...
I mailed Festool Belgium about it mentioning what others in the UK had gone trough sending and resending theirs in up to 3 times and being without a jigsaw for weeks, only to be offered a new 420 after all that.
And they generously agreed to let me go to my dealer and exchange it for a 420 even though i was like 5 months over the 30 day trial.
I have had the 420 for a couple months now and it's a much better tool, all the initial problems are gone.

Maybe you need to wear in the blade guide? When new it is V shaped and pinches only the rear corner of the blades but after a while the guide adapts and you can feel that it holds them better in place.

edit; if something is misaligned then you should see more wear or burn on one side of the blade, or when you try to cut straight the saw will want to move sideways in a crab motion? My Bosch was like that, wouldn't go straight and couldn't cut square.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #81 on: December 17, 2012, 06:16 AM »

Hi Peter,

I was a lurker for a long time on this forum, reading and learning.
I'm posting because I hope to contribute to a solution to the problem.
By shutting up and returning the PS420 nothing is gained.

Thank you for your interest in where I bought the PS420. The shop is Scheins in Aachen (in business since 1880 or so)
and I have been buying my tools there for the last 35 years and trust them more than anybody when it comes to tools.

All my woodworking tools are Festool and I have been buying Festool since 1995.

Maybe you missed my first message: I bought the PS420,because I don't like the PS400 and assumed that Festool fixed them in the new and improved PS420.
Blade holder didn't always retract so you couldn't eject the blade, blade would jump out of the lower guide, cutting not square, etc.
During the first 30 days I had no application PS400 where it had to cut more than 18mm plywood. Bummer.
Until the PS400 everything I bought worked as expected, no, let me correct that: better than expected.
So when I finally started using it seriously, I found out that it sucked. Too late to get your money back. Bummer.
I send it in, no improvement. Bummer.

Let's just say that with the PS400 I learned my lesson.
I didn't post back then because, given the excellence of the other Festool tools, I considered it a hick-up by Festool.
I bought one of the first PS400 available in Germany so maybe it was just that.  It can happen.

Now that the PS420 is being advertised (and discussed here) as being an improved PS400 I figured I try it and this time round do the tests right away.
And now that, for the second time, they don't seem to get it right, I feel that it is time to post my opinion.

I assume that everybody on this forum (like me) is honest when stating their opinion.
It is consequentially inexplicable why the PS420s are so different.

Are the positive people just trying to promote the PS420?    I assume not. I'm happy with most of my Festool so I understand that other people are as well.
Are the negative people trying to talk the PS420 down?    I'm certainly not. I just have a bad saw. For me it is understandable that others may well have the same PS420 problems.

Peter, maybe we should just exchange our PS420s?

I think that you should get the machine sorted out by Festool. The PSC 420 is a brilliant machine and rather than you sorting it out it would serve the Festool community more if Festool themselves could look at it and learn from the process. That way, any improvements will be reflected by Festool and not lost on the FOG.

Trying to sort it out by remote control on the internet is not the best way forward.

I visit the Netherlands every year for cycling holidays (my wife and I have Gazelles recommended by Dutch friends) and I know the Aachen area well. My next trip will, unfortunately, be too late for a 30 day return but I would be quite willing to help either here on the FOG or in Aachen in the Spring.

Peter

Haa haa lol. I gotta disagree with you again Peter.    He should do both always every one should  go to festool AND post on FOG.   This will help festool in many ways and to keep them on their toes.


1.In past when I posted on FOG some negative posts festool UK sent me a letter asking me to post positive feedback after they provided me with good service which I am more than happy with doing as they did provide me with good service. So it works both ways.

2.So others like me and you know about common problems so if we feel unhappy we know its not just because we are being to picky/anal as their are others who feel their is a problem with the tool


3. If it wasn't cus of FOG I would still have the old crappy carvex as I just took it as a jigsaw is a jigsaw and I kinda waisted my money on a festool one expecting festool jigsaw would be better than competition which with disappointed wasnt.

3. Festool keep everything quiet so many people out their with the old carvex who don't go on fog will still be using the old carvex most likely thinking umm why did I spend more money on this as it performance no better or worse than any other jigsaw. At least if they come across FOG they will know.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #82 on: December 17, 2012, 07:06 AM »
JMB

He will sort it out by speaking to his dealer or Festool or both. Anyone on the FOG can give advice but will not sort it out for him - unless you have a trip to the Netherlands coming up!

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #83 on: December 17, 2012, 07:21 AM »
JMB

He will sort it out by speaking to his dealer or Festool or both. Anyone on the FOG can give advice but will not sort it out for him - unless you have a trip to the Netherlands coming up!

Peter

Not what I am saying I said he should do BOTH sort it with Dealer and/or Festool  but he should still post on FOG about it.

If he is the only one complaining then his posts will mean nothing  but over time as more and more people might complain  just like they did with the OLD carvex then people will be made aware that there is a problem simple.   

 

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #84 on: December 17, 2012, 07:23 AM »
I agree with you JMB and what I had said at the start does not contradict you either.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #85 on: December 17, 2012, 07:41 AM »
I agree with you JMB and what I had said at the start does not contradict you either.

Peter

Its just that the feeling I am getting from you is that no one should post anything bad about a festool tool as they should give festool a chance to fix it first


This particular complaint about the carvex 420 in this topic I have read but dismissed BUT if more people start posting with same complaints then ill start to take note. 

 



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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #86 on: December 17, 2012, 08:57 AM »
There are no issues with anyone posting negative comments or opinions here on the forum, and I think there's plenty of evidence of that. It just needs to be done in a civil and factual way, which it has in this instance in my opinion. At the same time, I can understand why there might be raised eyebrows when someone from the Netherlands posts about the 420 after the previous fiasco. But let's not stereotype but instead give everyone a fair chance.

I would agree that the best course of action, should you want to, is to return it to the dealer for another unit or to contact Festool Netherlands for assistance in checking it out. Sorry to hear that you're have trouble with it and we hope it will give resolved to your satisfaction.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #87 on: December 17, 2012, 08:12 PM »
Looks to me like the claims from the other review have been fairly well debunked by Peter's video.  [scratch chin]

I knew that would be the case because we've had a Carvex 420 for months now at Festool USA HQ and done this same type of cut numerous times.

Peter even went a step further and cut 110mm thick MAPLE instead of pine. No issues at all.

Peter, thank you for taking the time to test this independently and post your results for all to see even while feeling under the weather.  [thumbs up]

Shane

that's nice. when can i buy one in the US? a real date? i needed one six months ago....... i still need one.

or do we all have to go buy ryobi's?
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knows me by my first name....
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #88 on: December 17, 2012, 08:26 PM »
Expected dates for tools in NA are listed in this thread:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/eta-for-new-product-introductions-in-na/

That is the best information I can provide at this time.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #89 on: December 22, 2012, 05:32 PM »
There are no issues with anyone posting negative comments or opinions here on the forum, and I think there's plenty of evidence of that. It just needs to be done in a civil and factual way, which it has in this instance in my opinion. At the same time, I can understand why there might be raised eyebrows when someone from the Netherlands posts about the 420 after the previous fiasco. But let's not stereotype but instead give everyone a fair chance.

I would agree that the best course of action, should you want to, is to return it to the dealer for another unit or to contact Festool Netherlands for assistance in checking it out. Sorry to hear that you're have trouble with it and we hope it will give resolved to your satisfaction.

Hi Shane,

I went back to the dealer to return the PS420. We checked the setting of the blade guide, cut some wood and still had the problem. Then he noted that my blade was a Trion FSG blade. We tried a Carvex FSG blade and it seemed better. They are a bit thicker so that might prevent the warpage of the blade.
He gave me some Carvex blades to try so I took the PS420 home and will give it another try.


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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #90 on: December 23, 2012, 01:32 AM »
I did use the new Carvex blades in the PSC 420 for all of my filming but I have used the old Trion blades and they work fine. The blades are different; the Trion are slightly narrower at the back of the blade and the Carvex ones are rectangular in section. I am sure that Festool intend people to use Carvex blades as they have just introduced them but if you have any of the old Trion ones and no Trion to use them on then give them a go and see how you get on - I had no problems at all.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #91 on: January 20, 2013, 06:23 AM »
I did use the new Carvex blades in the PSC 420 for all of my filming but I have used the old Trion blades and they work fine. The blades are different; the Trion are slightly narrower at the back of the blade and the Carvex ones are rectangular in section. I am sure that Festool intend people to use Carvex blades as they have just introduced them but if you have any of the old Trion ones and no Trion to use them on then give them a go and see how you get on - I had no problems at all.

Peter

Hi Peter,

with the Carvex blades the cut was a lot better. One of the things that I noticed though is that the Carvex blade looked bent when looked  at from the front.
I removed the foot and saw that there is an clamping screw that,when loosened, lets you move the entire guide assembly. After a few attempts I got it perfect.
The PS 420 is now well within my expectations, even in 7 cm wood, very close to the PS300, and thus a keeper.

Actually, the carvex blade made the PS400 a lot better as well, even though one cannot tune the guides as they are fixed to the machine.

Regards, Rene

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #92 on: February 27, 2013, 10:17 PM »
I recall a post a while back by someone complaining about not getting square cuts in framing studs using a jigsaw. I remember at the time thinking "who the he'll uses a jigsaw to cut studs?". Am I the only one who thinks this whole thick timbers cut with jigsaw business is out of hand? It seems evident that no jigsaw on the market, despite any bias, can do the job properly. Regardless, i'm happy with my trion for now and won't be forking over the pile for another "high end" jigsaw for a while.

I almost always use a jig saw to cut studs and have experienced very good accuracy doing so over the last 9 years with two different generations of Festool jig saws.  When the Carvex arrives in Canada later this year, I am looking forward to obtaining a third generation of Festool jigsaw and might even risk getting the battery model.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #93 on: February 28, 2013, 10:28 AM »
Peter - I wanted to Thank You for your review of the Carvex.

BTW The Toolnut is taking advance orders of the Carvex 420 in the US.

I only see the battery models in the barrel grip version. Will the corded version of the barrel grip model of the 420 be available in the United States?

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #94 on: February 28, 2013, 10:44 AM »
Hi Tintin,

I do not know what the marketing strategy is for the US (or anywhere else actually!) and so perhaps a Festool dealer or employee can answer that for you. At first I thought that the corded version would be best but I have now grown to love the battery version (but you do need a second battery). Also, given a choice 12 months go I would have gone for the 'D' handle but the barrel grip is fantastic and, for me, far more maneuverable particularly when doing curves greater than 90 degrees.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #95 on: February 28, 2013, 12:05 PM »
Peter - I wanted to Thank You for your review of the Carvex.

BTW The Toolnut is taking advance orders of the Carvex 420 in the US.

I only see the battery models in the barrel grip version. Will the corded version of the barrel grip model of the 420 be available in the United States?


I see both D and Barrel grip versions of the Carvex in the new catalogue.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #96 on: February 28, 2013, 12:11 PM »
Hi Peter,

Thank You.

Quick question: How would you rate the Carvex 420 from a visibility perspective? Is it better than the Trion in your opinion?

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #97 on: February 28, 2013, 12:12 PM »
Peter - I wanted to Thank You for your review of the Carvex.

BTW The Toolnut is taking advance orders of the Carvex 420 in the US.

I only see the battery models in the barrel grip version. Will the corded version of the barrel grip model of the 420 be available in the United States?


I see both D and Barrel grip versions of the Carvex in the new catalogue.

Hi Frank,

Ah yes but the corded version of the Barrel grip is the 400 and not the 420.

Best Regards,
- Tintin

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #98 on: February 28, 2013, 12:25 PM »
Peter - I wanted to Thank You for your review of the Carvex.

BTW The Toolnut is taking advance orders of the Carvex 420 in the US.

I only see the battery models in the barrel grip version. Will the corded version of the barrel grip model of the 420 be available in the United States?


I see both D and Barrel grip versions of the Carvex in the new catalogue.

Hi Frank,

Ah yes but the corded version of the Barrel grip is the 400 and not the 420.

Best Regards,
- Tintin

Well spotted.  I missed that.  [embarassed]  Lets hope that the catalogue is wrong.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #99 on: February 28, 2013, 12:28 PM »
Hi Peter,

Thank You.

Quick question: How would you rate the Carvex 420 from a visibility perspective? Is it better than the Trion in your opinion?

Best Regards,
- Tintin

Hi Tintin

I have never played with the Trion. My PSC420 provides excellent visibility. I prefer using the light on all of the time (rather than strobing) and I have done some quite delicate scribe work - particularly curves for router template work. I sometimes forget to flip the clear dust shield down and have discovered that visibility is then worse - I imagine that is because with the shield down the dust is being taken away more efficiently and the area (where you want to see) is clear of dust and debris.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #100 on: February 28, 2013, 12:35 PM »

Hi Frank,

Ah yes but the corded version of the Barrel grip is the 400 and not the 420.

Best Regards,
- Tintin

There are no PSC400 machines on the UK Festool web site. I would be surprised to see the PSC400 being sold alongside the PSC420 anywhere. I know that some PSC400s have been sold off on ebay, perhaps by dealers trying to clear the decks. Having seen nearly 2 years of discussion on the FOG, if there was a choice between the PSC400 and PSC420 I would take the PSC420 every time - even if you have to compromise in some other way.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #101 on: February 28, 2013, 12:43 PM »
Peter - I wanted to Thank You for your review of the Carvex.

BTW The Toolnut is taking advance orders of the Carvex 420 in the US.

I only see the battery models in the barrel grip version. Will the corded version of the barrel grip model of the 420 be available in the United States?


I see both D and Barrel grip versions of the Carvex in the new catalogue.

Hi Frank,

Ah yes but the corded version of the Barrel grip is the 400 and not the 420.

Best Regards,
- Tintin

Well spotted.  I missed that.  [embarassed]  Lets hope that the catalogue is wrong.


I checked the on-line  catalogue (at least, the one that we get in Canada) and I was right after all.  Here is a copy from part of the page:

83494-0

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #102 on: February 28, 2013, 06:10 PM »
Hi Frank,

That's a relief.

Shane - can you please confirm if this is indeed the case in the states?

Regards,
- Tintin