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The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« on: October 09, 2012, 03:29 PM »
I have put a very short video together to demonstrate that the new Carvex PS420 is more than able to cut big lumps of wood. I will be producing a full review in due course but a couple of days in bed with flu have set me back several weeks - I just hate getting behind in my work.



The machine has been supplied by Festool and is to be returned.

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RE: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2012, 03:38 PM »
Satisfies me

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RE: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 03:45 PM »
Peter,

You didn't mention what the dimensions were of the maple.  Please?

You sound like you might not be feeling 100%.  Hope you feel better.

Peter

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RE: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2012, 03:49 PM »
Peter,

You didn't mention what the dimensions were of the maple.  Please?

You sound like you might not be feeling 100%.  Hope you feel better.

Peter

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RE: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2012, 03:55 PM »
Sorry, you are right, I am not quite firing on all cylinders.

The maple 'lump' is 110mm x 160mm. I have just measured it again to check.

That piece of wood is so big, heavy and hard that I have not tried to machine it before.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2012, 03:57 PM »
Sadly i read through and tried to respond to the other closed thread too late. What a bunch of ham that all was. Showing a dozen broken blades from such obvious user error.

Anyway, Today I had to cut a shelf to fit around a big 6" stove pipe. The cabinet was already put together so I was cutting with the unit layed on its face. It was extremely dark in there and my makita flash light had a bad bulb. I was certainly wishing for a light and the circle jig.

Wishing the carvex420 a smooth entrance,

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2012, 03:58 PM »
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I think he may be recovering from meeting jmb
I drove to Birmingham to the W12 exhibition on my first day out of bed and was in a bad way by the time I got home. It was a delight to meet JMB and his crew.

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2012, 03:58 PM »
Sorry, you are right, I am not quite firing on all cylinders.

The maple 'lump' is 110mm x 160mm. I have just measured it again to check.

That piece of wood is so big, heavy and hard that I have not tried to machine it before.

Peter


did you try with the blade backwards to see if you could bend them?
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me: exactly, it makes simple cuts complicated and complicated cuts simple

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2012, 04:05 PM »
The new 'Carvex' blades are a dash thicker than the old 'Trion' ones. Both can be used in the new machine. The old blades are slightly tapered in section whereas the Carvex ones have parallel sides.

It would be fun to try cutting that maple from underneath - the continental way!

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2012, 04:09 PM »
If you watch (3.09) in to the video you see the carvex goes out of sink  just like mine does.     If Peter had at that time turned the Carvex OFF he would not of been able to remove the blade as it would of most likely of stopped in the downwards position.  

If you keep watching (3.17) you can see the carvex gets its self back into sink and if  Peter had finished his cut and turned the jigsaw off at that time it will stop in the upwards position.  As the video goes on you can see it moves up and down slightly but not enough to drop it out of sink but almost like it wants to  but on mine this happens often leaving me unable to remove the blade on a regular basis unless I use my fingers to flip the level no big deal

Just thought I would mention it as I have been asked and Pip mentioned it in another topic and Peters video shows it well.

If you look you can see a ghost affect of the blade dropping and then rising back up.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2012, 04:12 PM »
Nice one Peter, i pretty much thought it would cut the softwood no problem.  I received my blades from Toolfest today but just too busy to do that test myself.  I will do it & post here to show it was no fluke.
JMB, i did notice that as well, thought i was seeing things.

So much for the Dutch tests eh !
If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2012, 04:15 PM »
If you watch (3.09) in to the video you see the carvex goes out of sink  just like mine does.     If Peter had at that time turn the Carvex OFF he would not been able to remove the blade as it would of most likely of stopped in the downwards position.  

If you keep watching (3.17) you can see the carvex gets its self back into sink and if  Peter had finished his cut and turned the jigsaw off at that time it will stop in the upwards position.  

Just thought I would mention it as I have been asked and Pip mentioned it in another topic and Peters video shows it well.

If you look you can see a ghost affect of the blade dropping and then rising back up.

JMB

I had started to do the full video and one of the things that I mention at the beginning is that the machine can do this. If the blade is not in the up position when you switch off but you want to remove the blade then just run it for about 10 seconds and it is back where it should be and you can then operate the blade release gizmo.

I have picked up almost everything that I could from other threads, including small diameter circular holes, letter boxes and so on so, fear not, everything will be in the full video.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2012, 04:16 PM »
Looks to me like the claims from the other review have been fairly well debunked by Peter's video.  [scratch chin]

I knew that would be the case because we've had a Carvex 420 for months now at Festool USA HQ and done this same type of cut numerous times.

Peter even went a step further and cut 110mm thick MAPLE instead of pine. No issues at all.

Peter, thank you for taking the time to test this independently and post your results for all to see even while feeling under the weather.  [thumbs up]

Shane

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2012, 04:20 PM »
Thanks for being so kind Shane. I was getting pretty fed up with the nonsense on that other thread and so after it was closed I decided that a quick demo would sort the issue out.

I am still not sure what I will eventually do with that piece of maple - boy is it hard. I have just had my planer knives sharpened and so I am reluctant to put it through just in case (they cost aboy $40 a time to sharpen).

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2012, 04:20 PM »
If you watch (3.09) in to the video you see the carvex goes out of sink  just like mine does.     If Peter had at that time turn the Carvex OFF he would not been able to remove the blade as it would of most likely of stopped in the downwards position.  

If you keep watching (3.17) you can see the carvex gets its self back into sink and if  Peter had finished his cut and turned the jigsaw off at that time it will stop in the upwards position.  

Just thought I would mention it as I have been asked and Pip mentioned it in another topic and Peters video shows it well.

If you look you can see a ghost affect of the blade dropping and then rising back up.

JMB

I had started to do the full video and one of the things that I mention at the beginning is that the machine can do this. If the blade is not in the up position when you switch off but you want to remove the blade then just run it for about 10 seconds and it is back where it should be and you can then operate the blade release gizmo.

I have picked up almost everything that I could from other threads, including small diameter circular holes, letter boxes and so on so, fear not, everything will be in the full video.

Peter

Peter

Yes I know this.   Its what I do  but often I have removed the battery first or the battery is dead and then try to remove the blade and notice I cant  using the lever.

I can either stick the battery back on or get a new battery or just use my fingers and flip the locking mechanism my self as most often the carvex has locked it selfs so you cant manually push it up.

Just little annoying.

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2012, 04:21 PM »
...
I think he may be recovering from meeting jmb
I drove to Birmingham to the W12 exhibition on my first day out of bed and was in a bad way by the time I got home. It was a delight to meet JMB and his crew.

Peter

Hhahaha 'his crew' i stood 3 feet from you while you spoke to him at the vacum forming stand then i got distracted somewhere oooing and ahhhing at stuff i cant afford

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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2012, 04:23 PM »
Nice one Peter, i pretty much thought it would cut the softwood no problem.  I received my blades from Toolfest today but just too busy to do that test myself.  I will do it & post here to show it was no fluke.
JMB, i did notice that as well, thought i was seeing things.

So much for the Dutch tests eh !

No not seeing things!    If your using your carvex you look at the ''ghost'' if it showing its low it means it will very likely stop low.  If you leave it running most the time it will eventually rise up again but not always.  So you have to turn it off and turn it back on again and then it should go back up. 

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2012, 04:24 PM »
Just think - we were that close and never got to say hello...

Maybe W14.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2012, 04:26 PM »
Any one spot the difference between Peter`s  video and the other one.............. Peter let the Carvex do the work and did not ram it through the timber. I did not see any white knuckles like on the other video. Thanks Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2012, 04:26 PM »
...
I think he may be recovering from meeting jmb
I drove to Birmingham to the W12 exhibition on my first day out of bed and was in a bad way by the time I got home. It was a delight to meet JMB and his crew.

Peter

Hhahaha 'his crew' i stood 3 feet from you while you spoke to him at the vacum forming stand then i got distracted somewhere oooing and ahhhing at stuff i cant afford


haahaaa yeah your  my CREW!!!!


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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2012, 04:30 PM »
Any one spot the difference between Peter`s  video and the other one.............. Peter let the Carvex do the work and did not ram it through the timber. I did not see any white knuckles like on the other video. Thanks Peter

absolutely. anyone breaking that many blades in a shop setting is a complete  [unsure]

there's been a few times where i've bent a series of blades with a sawzall getting that one tough nail or what have you. but not a jigsaw, in a shop.
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2012, 04:31 PM »
Just think - we were that close and never got to say hello...

Maybe W14.

Peter

Dean is well rude!
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2012, 06:02 PM »
great job peter.
get well soon.


i think this video should be put at the bottom of the other thread so that anyone reading it will  see the truth before they  leave it. we all know the story but in a few months it will all be forgotten about  and any new members mightnt  get the whole picture


dean you were very rude to peter. you should have said hello , instead you turned your back . bad form dean bad form [big grin] [tongue] [tongue]


edit sorry didnt see that shane has already done the vieo thing
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2012, 06:08 PM »
If you watch (3.09) in to the video you see the carvex goes out of sink  just like mine does.     If Peter had at that time turned the Carvex OFF he would not of been able to remove the blade as it would of most likely of stopped in the downwards position.  

If you keep watching (3.17) you can see the carvex gets its self back into sink and if  Peter had finished his cut and turned the jigsaw off at that time it will stop in the upwards position.  As the video goes on you can see it moves up and down slightly but not enough to drop it out of sink but almost like it wants to  but on mine this happens often leaving me unable to remove the blade on a regular basis unless I use my fingers to flip the level no big deal

Just thought I would mention it as I have been asked and Pip mentioned it in another topic and Peters video shows it well.

If you look you can see a ghost affect of the blade dropping and then rising back up.
JMB

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2012, 06:31 PM »
Peter,

Thank you for posting this quick video!  Awesome!   [thumbs up]

I am really impressed with the battery power on this thing...any idea how long the charge lasted? 

Scot

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2012, 07:24 PM »
Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2012, 11:15 PM »
Can't wait to see it available here. The poor carvex that was purposely abused in those videos is a down right shame. 
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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2012, 12:16 AM »
Good job Peter! Very impressive on that piece if Maple.

Is there any chance of a response from the Dutch guys or have they been  [ban] ned?

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2012, 01:54 AM »
Peter,

Thank you for posting this quick video!  Awesome!   [thumbs up]

I am really impressed with the battery power on this thing...any idea how long the charge lasted? 

Scot

Hi Scot

I do try to avoid using a tool for the first time on video and had cut about three 600mm  cuts across 30mm kitchen worktop. I had had a few short practice goes on the 100mm square softwood. I am fairly sure that I had done three or four practice cuts to get used to the machine. Then I did four in front of the camera (although I only show three - in the very first one I accidentally had the speed down to minimum and it took me until halfway through to realise).  I then started on the big maple and got one third through when the battery died.

Peter

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Re: The Carvex PS420 - A Quick Test in Thick Timbers
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2012, 01:57 AM »
Peter

I had seen what looked to be some unqualified testers make a silly mess of a similar test on the internet recently.

Thank you for the clear and obvious account of this tool's performance on this type of task. As always, well done.

chope chope


Thanks Scott

I am not allowed to comment as someone keeps reporting me to Shane and Peter for infringing their human rights.

Peter