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Offline SteveC

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #180 on: March 22, 2011, 02:34 PM »
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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #181 on: March 22, 2011, 03:31 PM »
Nice setup steveC but I don't think I would like to carry all that stuff onto a job every day way to much to carry and time consuming. Glad it works for you! Definitely won't work for me.


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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #182 on: March 23, 2011, 07:44 AM »
I agree with jmb. Nice set up and glad it works for you but that is several trips to set up and space. But hey thanks for sharing and I do like how you "V". Out the wood to fit into the saw v groove.

It's good to see different set ups. 
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Offline SteveC

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #183 on: March 23, 2011, 08:14 AM »
I agree with jmb. Nice set up and glad it works for you but that is several trips to set up and space. But hey thanks for sharing and I do like how you "V". Out the wood to fit into the saw v groove.

It's good to see different set ups. 
Of course to each his own.
[thanks] to Bob Kovacs for that piece of design.
Kreg, I like the convenience of the table area, so it's actually a two fer AND it keeps my stuff "off the grass" [big grin]
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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #184 on: March 23, 2011, 10:28 AM »
Yep it does. Lol
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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #185 on: March 29, 2011, 03:10 PM »
forget bout working with heavy manufactured decking on the new kapex stand. this weekend i was redecking my back porch with some 12 foot long trex type material. it is too much weight on the slide out extension. when you slide it all the way to one side to make a clean cut or cut a little bit off each end it weighs down the extension so much you need to clamp down the board by the blade to get it down in full contact with the saw base.. and it is wobbly as all heck too.. they should of had a double leg that folds out from the single to help the saw from swaying when there is alot of weight on the ends. the only thing keeping the extensions stable is the clamping screw on the saw. two legs flipped out would of helped this alot.

so i just laid all the decking and clean cut my edges after. it is for short heavy stock or long light stock only. nothing heavy that is 12\' or longer will give you troubles

Offline jonny round boy

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #186 on: March 29, 2011, 03:21 PM »
forget bout working with heavy manufactured decking on the new kapex stand. this weekend i was redecking my back porch with some 12 foot long trex type material. it is too much weight on the slide out extension. when you slide it all the way to one side to make a clean cut or cut a little bit off each end it weighs down the extension so much you need to clamp down the board by the blade to get it down in full contact with the saw base.. and it is wobbly as all heck too.. they should of had a double leg that folds out from the single to help the saw from swaying when there is alot of weight on the ends. the only thing keeping the extensions stable is the clamping screw on the saw. two legs flipped out would of helped this alot.

so i just laid all the decking and clean cut my edges after. it is for short heavy stock or long light stock only. nothing heavy that is 12\' or longer will give you troubles

No offence, but I think you're expecting too much. Any stand will have exactly the same issue with very long, very thin, flexible material. It's the nature of the material that's the issue here, not a saw stand.

Unless you can find a saw stand with a full 12 foot extension you're always going to have this problem.

As for the wobblyness, Are you sure the extensions are properly secured to the saw? If not it will wobble slightly. If it's correctly tightened down then mine is quite rigid. If you try & move the end of the extension, it doesn't flex or bend but moves the saw too!
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #187 on: March 29, 2011, 03:33 PM »
forget bout working with heavy manufactured decking on the new kapex stand. this weekend i was redecking my back porch with some 12 foot long trex type material. it is too much weight on the slide out extension. when you slide it all the way to one side to make a clean cut or cut a little bit off each end it weighs down the extension so much you need to clamp down the board by the blade to get it down in full contact with the saw base.. and it is wobbly as all heck too.. they should of had a double leg that folds out from the single to help the saw from swaying when there is alot of weight on the ends. the only thing keeping the extensions stable is the clamping screw on the saw. two legs flipped out would of helped this alot.

so i just laid all the decking and clean cut my edges after. it is for short heavy stock or long light stock only. nothing heavy that is 12\' or longer will give you troubles

 

No offence, but I think you're expecting too much. Any stand will have exactly the same issue with very long, very thin, flexible material. It's the nature of the material that's the issue here, not a saw stand.

Unless you can find a saw stand with a full 12 foot extension you're always going to have this problem.

As for the wobblyness, Are you sure the extensions are properly secured to the saw? If not it will wobble slightly. If it's correctly tightened down then mine is quite rigid. If you try & move the end of the extension, it doesn't flex or bend but moves the saw too!


What JRB said I would of said the same if I had read the comment first.  

Yes the extensions do move but it moves with the saw so it wobbles as a complete unit so makes no difference to the cutting.    Your expecting to much from a portable stand, a dewalt stand or any other portable stand you would get the same problem as the arms don't extend out enough either.

 What you suggested having more legs would just create more problems getting the extensions level / inline with the saw bed.
 

If I was using alot of heavy long timber I would buy a roller support and take that with me onto the job.  I would then place my timber on to the roller and arm extenttion and slide the piece upto the saw.



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Offline shoe maker

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #188 on: March 29, 2011, 03:35 PM »
no offense but i wasn\\\\\\\'t expecting much. i was just posting my experience so others wouldn\\\\\\\'t purchase the tool with those heavy tasks in mind and know its limitations.  and i know how to tighten a knob correctly no offense. you guys are like apple fanboys, lol

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #189 on: March 29, 2011, 03:42 PM »
no offense but i wasn\\\\\\\'t expecting much. i was just posting my experience so others wouldn\\\\\\\'t purchase the tool with those heavy tasks in mind and know its limitations.  and i know how to tighten a knob correctly no offense. you guys are like apple fanboys, lol

So because I disagree with you I'm a fanboy? Thanks [cool]

If you wanted blind agreement you should have posted your comment on another forum - people here tend to have their own opinions.
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Offline shoe maker

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #190 on: March 29, 2011, 03:46 PM »
no you are a fanboy because any mention of a festool limitation and you get all up in arms like someone just slapped your baby girl. good reviews are all well and good but the limitations should be pointed out as well so people with not as much experience know not to buy the tool with certain expectations.
it was you who took offense to my own opinion and felt the need to defend something or someone.  
no offense but i could care less if you agree with me

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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #191 on: March 29, 2011, 04:03 PM »
no you are a fanboy because any mention of a festool limitation and you get all up in arms like someone just slapped your baby girl. good reviews are all well and good but the limitations should be pointed out as well so people with not as much experience know not to buy the tool with certain expectations.
it was you who took offense to my own opinion and felt the need to defend something or someone.  
no offense but i could care less if you agree with me

 

Umm okay I'll over look that odd comment


Everything has limitations every one knows something really long and and heavy but flexbible would bend if the support aint der to support it. So if you know how long the arm extension is you know it aint long enough but that's the same with ANY portable stand NON have long enough arm extentions so your just pointing out a problem ALL portable stands have! some might have slightly longer support but unless your getting out a proper stand which is less portable(more pieces and larger) you will not find a stand which won't have this limitation.  It's like saying a 10inch blade will only cut so deep  like other 10inch blades might cut deeper?


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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #192 on: March 29, 2011, 04:31 PM »
*disclaimer- I am a fanboy

I have the older version of the kapex, that has two legged outfeeds, and attaches to the mft800. I have used it with 2x6 pt stock, and it is too heavy. 3m decking stock, ridiculous. Trim longer than 6 foot, a real hassle. I had a Dewalt stand that was the same. The only solution for me that works for jobs like this is the mft 800 and 1080 set up side by side, and a sys1 for the height difference. I hate to say it so many thousands of dollars later, but if I'm decking, I'm on my knees.
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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #193 on: March 29, 2011, 04:57 PM »
Shoe maker , thank you for posting your comments and yes I agree the stand is not heavy duty enough for what you used it for and I did not even think of that when I did my video. Cuz when I do decks I use my skill saw and also at the ends use the ts55 and rail to trim it off straight  so again thanks for the info.

And No reason to get all in a tizzy and calling people what ever let's just all meet up and have a beer and we will all be fine!!!

So thanks for the responses and your thoughts they are all helpful for everybody to make up their minds and you always have the 30 try it or return it also.

So cheers!  Oh by the way you must drink green beer [2cents]
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Offline PeterK

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #194 on: March 29, 2011, 06:14 PM »
I want to thank everyone with experience with the Kapex stand for their comments. I have not yet seen one in person but based just on pictures, I immediately was curious of the stability of the single leg extensions. Kreg did a great review and shoe maker brought up the possible stability issue for discusion. My experience is with the Dewalt. I have beat it up with heavy 2by lumber and it has been quite solid and stable as long as the boards are't too long. The extensions do sag somewhat with a load and I have to really press down to get a vertical cut when trimming an end. I have not really had a wobbling issue with the stand on solid ground. The problem with it is it is so darn heavy and awkward to transport - no wheels!

Hopefully I get to go back for another class in Lebanon and get to play with the new stand. Many features I really like and just want to play with it to check for stability. I can see this new stand being useful in my tiny shop and easily moved outside when needed.
Thanks all. Pete
Oh and Kreg - I definitely drink green or any color beer!
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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #195 on: March 29, 2011, 07:05 PM »
Peter. Most Festool dealers should have one set up at there store to check out if you wish.
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Offline PeterK

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Re: Review of the new kapex stand
« Reply #196 on: March 29, 2011, 08:34 PM »
Ah but there is the rub. Try to find a stocking dealer in Louisiana!!! Only one dealer near New Orleans that I know of and they have a very tiny display.