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Offline ScotF

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Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« on: February 02, 2011, 09:47 PM »
I think that many will agree that the MFT/3 is one of the most used tools that Festool offers.  It is a key component of the overall system and enhances the tools and work processes.  By itself, it provides a great work surface with a lot of clamping capabilities and much more.  The Festool engineers have figured out a way to make a great tool even better with the Cross Member supports.

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The MFT/3 is a stable work surface, but it is subject to some side-to-side movement during certain applications and the cross members really add a lot of rigidity to the entire table.  Included in the box are two round steel legs and some angle pieces that attach to the bottom of MFT/3 rail.  The legs are 25 5/8 inches long and fit into plastic clips that attach to the bottom of each leg set.  

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These are bolted to the bottom support piece of each leg set (one on each side) with a plastic connector that allows the legs to pivot into place.  At the top of each leg set there are two plastic thumb screws connected to a pin along with a spring mechanism.  To install, you push the spring mechanism in, which exposes the pin and you then slide the pin into a notch in the angle piece.  Tighten the knob a few turns and that secures the cross member leg to the table.

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Each leg also has a plastic clip that clips to the leg support.  If you need to pack up your MFT/3 you simply unscrew the knobs that connect it to the angle piece, rotate the arm down so that it is parallel to the cross piece on the leg set and clip it into place.  This locks the cross member securely to each leg set so that you can fold the legs down for easy transport.    

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You can install the cross members on either the front or the back of the MFT/3.  Since they are close to the edge I find that they do not get in the way.  It is good to know you have options in case you use the space under your MFT/3 for storage and you will need to account for this in the install.  I have mine up front and that works for me since I move my table around and often have things behind and underneath the table.  Keeping the members in the front allows for me to push the table against something and not have the cross members get in the way.

I have found that the cross members really do make the MFT/3 more rigid and I think that it is worth the investment.  This is not to say that the MFT/3 in its standard configuration is not a secure work surface, because it is.  The cross member supports just make it even more solid and stable and I think it leads to a little less vibration.  I would not use the MFT/3 with or without the cross members for any heavy duty hand plane use as I do not think it was designed for this type of work.  But for a general gluing, clamping, sanding and power tool station, it excels and the cross members do help increase the stability of the MFT/3.    
« Last Edit: February 03, 2011, 01:12 AM by ScotF »

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 09:13 AM »
I thought these were an overpriced, add on gimmick until I went to Lebanon. Ordered a set not long after. Yes the MFT is a very stable table but these make it much better. If you have an MFT consider getting these. Nice review Scot. Vying for that RO90 are ya [big grin]
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Offline ScotF

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 09:54 AM »
Thanks, Holzhaker...I agree that initially they seem like they do not do much, but that is not the case at all.  That RO90 would make a nice addition to my collection... ;)

Offline michaely31

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2016, 05:16 PM »
Thanks for the review and pictures. 

You would think Festool would include a picture of the installation given $80 doesn't include any instructions.

Offline bobfog

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2016, 05:22 PM »
I'm yet to buy an MFT, it's been on my list for ages but at £500 there's always something else that seems more of a necessity vs. the luxury that is the MFT. Though when I do eventually get it, I will want my £500 workbench to be as stable as possible, so I will definitely be getting the cross members.

Offline woodvkk

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2016, 11:24 AM »
I just got one and put it on. It does make it more stable in the direction of the members but there is still a little bit of movement laterally and while it definitely helps in taking away the large part of the movement it still isn't without movement. Has anyone tried putting a pair on both sides?  Right now it's kind of of like the degree of freedom goes from 4 to 3 with the 4 legs and putting on another pair would make it go from 4 to 2.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2016, 12:49 PM by woodvkk »

Offline QuailRider43

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2016, 11:16 PM »
Has anyone tried putting a pair on both sides?

I've got a pair of cross members on the front and a second pair on the back, and it greatly reduces the LR movement, more so than just using one pair.  Front to back movement is still there a bit, but not an issue for how I use the table.

Offline woodvkk

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2016, 01:43 AM »
Has anyone tried putting a pair on both sides?

I've got a pair of cross members on the front and a second pair on the back, and it greatly reduces the LR movement, more so than just using one pair.  Front to back movement is still there a bit, but not an issue for how I use the table.

Thanks, good to know

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2019, 04:54 PM »
I got a pair of the cross members for Christmas.  This is a type of accessory that I normally wouldn't want to spend money on, hence I asked for it as a gift.  It was a little frustrating trying to figure out how to actually install the braces.  It took me a while to figure out the correct orientation for everything.  I installed the braces on the back of the MFT/3. 

It does make the table more stable.  Another pair in the front would be good too.  Maybe I'll ask for that for my birthday or next Christmas.
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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2019, 10:12 AM »
I put both of them on one side of the MFT. Front and Back

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2019, 11:47 AM »
308785-0  I made my own braces using 8020 quick frame and some thick ABS for the ends.  The shelves are also quick frame flanged extrusions and black haircell ABS sheet.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2019, 12:01 PM by rst »

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2019, 02:30 PM »
I put both of them on one side of the MFT. Front and Back

Does that keep it from racking in either direction when in use?
I put both of mine in the back and it helps but would be better
with two pair. But if your configuration works I would switch
one of mine.
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Offline rst

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2019, 03:02 PM »
It does make it fairly stiff, I also have a shelf added on the backside.  The shelves hold systainers on both sides, so when loaded also add to the overall stability.

Offline Dogberryjr

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2019, 03:26 PM »
These should not be extras, they should be included with the table.

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2019, 08:56 AM »
I put both of them on one side of the MFT. Front and Back

Does that keep it from racking in either direction when in use?
I put both of mine in the back and it helps but would be better
with two pair. But if your configuration works I would switch
one of mine.

It works good enough for me. What really does the job is using the cross braces on one MFT and connect the MFT to another.

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2020, 06:08 PM »
I find that the plastic ends pop out of the metal tubes, making the cross members useless.  [mad] I need to fin a way to reattach the ends so they do not pop out. I could use silicone or some other kind of adhesive as I am reluctant to drill in to the small plastic parts fearing they will break.

Anyone else have this problem? 
« Last Edit: February 19, 2020, 06:11 PM by Greg Powers »
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2020, 07:00 PM »
I find that the plastic ends pop out of the metal tubes, making the cross members useless.  [mad] I need to fin a way to reattach the ends so they do not pop out. I could use silicone or some other kind of adhesive as I am reluctant to drill in to the small plastic parts fearing they will break.

Anyone else have this problem?

I haven't had that happen (yet?). FWIW the plastic ends feel to me like they're made out of nylon so I bet they'd machine nicely with a sharp twist drill bit.
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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2020, 10:24 PM »
I find that the plastic ends pop out of the metal tubes, making the cross members useless.  [mad] I need to fin a way to reattach the ends so they do not pop out. I could use silicone or some other kind of adhesive as I am reluctant to drill in to the small plastic parts fearing they will break.

Anyone else have this problem?


Hi Greg,

I too am having this problem with one of my sets.  I agree that a mechanical attachment is an unlikely fix and the familiar "ting" sound of the cross member dropping to the concrete is causing some significant eye rolls.  My thought for repair is either an adhesive as you suggest or an ekat order as I have other cross members which do not separate from then plastic ends.


James


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Re: Review of Cross Members for MFT/3 (Product No. 495502)
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2020, 09:53 PM »
I think that many will agree that the MFT/3 is one of the most used tools that Festool offers.  It is a key component of the overall system and enhances the tools and work processes.  By itself, it provides a great work surface with a lot of clamping capabilities and much more.  The Festool engineers have figured out a way to make a great tool even better with the Cross Member supports.

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The MFT/3 is a stable work surface, but it is subject to some side-to-side movement during certain applications and the cross members really add a lot of rigidity to the entire table.  Included in the box are two round steel legs and some angle pieces that attach to the bottom of MFT/3 rail.  The legs are 25 5/8 inches long and fit into plastic clips that attach to the bottom of each leg set. 

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These are bolted to the bottom support piece of each leg set (one on each side) with a plastic connector that allows the legs to pivot into place.  At the top of each leg set there are two plastic thumb screws connected to a pin along with a spring mechanism.  To install, you push the spring mechanism in, which exposes the pin and you then slide the pin into a notch in the angle piece.  Tighten the knob a few turns and that secures the cross member leg to the table.

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Each leg also has a plastic clip that clips to the leg support.  If you need to pack up your MFT/3 you simply unscrew the knobs that connect it to the angle piece, rotate the arm down so that it is parallel to the cross piece on the leg set and clip it into place.  This locks the cross member securely to each leg set so that you can fold the legs down for easy transport.   

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You can install the cross members on either the front or the back of the MFT/3.  Since they are close to the edge I find that they do not get in the way.  It is good to know you have options in case you use the space under your MFT/3 for storage and you will need to account for this in the install.  I have mine up front and that works for me since I move my table around and often have things behind and underneath the table.  Keeping the members in the front allows for me to push the table against something and not have the cross members get in the way.

I have found that the cross members really do make the MFT/3 more rigid and I think that it is worth the investment.  This is not to say that the MFT/3 in its standard configuration is not a secure work surface, because it is.  The cross member supports just make it even more solid and stable and I think it leads to a little less vibration.  I would not use the MFT/3 with or without the cross members for any heavy duty hand plane use as I do not think it was designed for this type of work.  But for a general gluing, clamping, sanding and power tool station, it excels and the cross members do help increase the stability of the MFT/3.   

I bought a set and never used them.  Built a sysport instead.  I'd sell mine in a heart beat.

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