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Offline Acrobat

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My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« on: November 27, 2012, 06:25 PM »
Hi all
I just took proud possession of a new Kapex 120. I don't have a mft or Kapex table yet, so have simply placed it on the worktop I used for my long used Ryobi mitre saw. I loved that too when I first got it, except the laser it had went wonky after a day so they remained off permanently, too hard to get right on it and found they just wasted my time. Thats now sitting on a shelf awaiting a new owner. So, first impressions, love the "feel" of it, I guess thats a Festoolian bias I have. Looks awesome (for a saw that is). After the two days I've had it, it runs very well and real smooth cuts, taken me a bit to get used to it but the mitre stops are great in that it snaps in and locks without any slight movement from side to side. The ryobi was a devil for that. Am so much happier there- I no longer have to put bits of tape with marks on it to line up when going back to 90 or at 45's. What a pain. . Dust collection: Major improvement and in fact the overriding reason I got the kapex. I got so tired and just plain fed up with the sawdust spewing from the old saw, took me ages to clean up and so much fine dust settling over everything in the garage. Yuck. 36mm hose is good. I got the non anti static version and works fine. Kapex, out of the box the lasers were way off. I didn't want to burst the covers to adjust them, but I had too pierce them with a small allen key. Why is the cover not simply removeable? Now they have holes in. Anyway, I followed the manual and the supplementary manual, thank goodness for that. It took me about two hours to get right and was nearly at wits end adjusting them. I hope they don't need re-adjusting anytime soon. I've yet to fully test and see what other calibrations are required, but it seems to cut at 90 and 45 very well so hopefully I will not have to adjust anything further. Next I put the crown stop extension thing on the left of the bed in its v groove. It does not sit flat with the bed of the kapex.It's about 1mm lower? I tried it on the right side and a better fit height wise. Is it only to go on the right? I cannot see any way of adjusting it to be flush when on the left, as as soon as I tighten it it sinks lower. Annoying. I read they said one can use sys 1 boxes as supports either side, so tried that, both sys1 boxes I have sit about 1mm higher than the bed of the kapex so what's up with that? I have the kapex clamped on each corner lightly. I note in the festool manual it indicates a different position to clamp than Rick C's supplementary manual so tried both ways. (On flat bit or in triangle area) Same result. Bummer. Am I being too picky here? Would be good to be able to slide timber across and have it laying flat all along. I would like to get the new extension wings one day but am just a bit put off if they don't run up flush either, then what?
On the motor side, I love the soft start and even the sound is not as whiny as the ryobi I've struggled with for years. A growl is fine with me.
I damaged the little rubber boot as the boot rested forward on top of a post I was cutting and the saw nicked into it a few mm's. My fault, it was a very large post 100x100mm so I guess I should have unclipped it off first. Trenching: I am happy to say I love the trenching it does, although there is no way of knowing how deep it's set to without trial and error first. Should be a dial-indicator I think. Not sure how they would make it work but it would be an improvement nonetheless. Maybe a mark indicating where the top face of the bed is and go up from there?
Flying pieces: Wow this was a suprise. On the ryobi I simply worked from the left and had the small offcuts on the right, they nearly alays stayed put, but on the Kapex one piece shot off at a hundred miles and hour out the back, luckily it shot out away from the window. It appears after some reading on this site, that I should clamp the offcut side to prevent this? I sthis correct as I work clamping the left. I will change if its better. Or should I simply have moved the wings in to prevent the piece from shooting out the back? I think I just hadn't given it any though that would happen. Old habits I guess.
So thats my fifty cents worth so far...some good, some not. Is it me and my habits from the old saw or am I expecting too much? I'll see how the next week goes and what results I get.
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Offline skids

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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 08:25 PM »
Hi all
I just took proud possession of a new Kapex 120. I don't have a mft or Kapex table yet, so have simply placed it on the worktop I used for my long used Ryobi mitre saw. I loved that too when I first got it, except the laser it had went wonky after a day so they remained off permanently, too hard to get right on it and found they just wasted my time. Thats now sitting on a shelf awaiting a new owner. So, first impressions, love the "feel" of it, I guess thats a Festoolian bias I have. Looks awesome (for a saw that is). After the two days I've had it, it runs very well and real smooth cuts, taken me a bit to get used to it but the mitre stops are great in that it snaps in and locks without any slight movement from side to side. The ryobi was a devil for that. Am so much happier there- I no longer have to put bits of tape with marks on it to line up when going back to 90 or at 45's. What a pain. . Dust collection: Major improvement and in fact the overriding reason I got the kapex. I got so tired and just plain fed up with the sawdust spewing from the old saw, took me ages to clean up and so much fine dust settling over everything in the garage. Yuck. 36mm hose is good. I got the non anti static version and works fine. Kapex, out of the box the lasers were way off. I didn't want to burst the covers to adjust them, but I had too pierce them with a small allen key. Why is the cover not simply removeable? Now they have holes in. Anyway, I followed the manual and the supplementary manual, thank goodness for that. It took me about two hours to get right and was nearly at wits end adjusting them. I hope they don't need re-adjusting anytime soon. I've yet to fully test and see what other calibrations are required, but it seems to cut at 90 and 45 very well so hopefully I will not have to adjust anything further. Next I put the crown stop extension thing on the left of the bed in its v groove. It does not sit flat with the bed of the kapex.It's about 1mm lower? I tried it on the right side and a better fit height wise. Is it only to go on the right? I cannot see any way of adjusting it to be flush when on the left, as as soon as I tighten it it sinks lower. Annoying. I read they said one can use sys 1 boxes as supports either side, so tried that, both sys1 boxes I have sit about 1mm higher than the bed of the kapex so what's up with that? I have the kapex clamped on each corner lightly. I note in the festool manual it indicates a different position to clamp than Rick C's supplementary manual so tried both ways. (On flat bit or in triangle area) Same result. Bummer. Am I being too picky here? Would be good to be able to slide timber across and have it laying flat all along. I would like to get the new extension wings one day but am just a bit put off if they don't run up flush either, then what?
On the motor side, I love the soft start and even the sound is not as whiny as the ryobi I've struggled with for years. A growl is fine with me.
I damaged the little rubber boot as the boot rested forward on top of a post I was cutting and the saw nicked into it a few mm's. My fault, it was a very large post 100x100mm so I guess I should have unclipped it off first. Trenching: I am happy to say I love the trenching it does, although there is no way of knowing how deep it's set to without trial and error first. Should be a dial-indicator I think. Not sure how they would make it work but it would be an improvement nonetheless. Maybe a mark indicating where the top face of the bed is and go up from there?
Flying pieces: Wow this was a suprise. On the ryobi I simply worked from the left and had the small offcuts on the right, they nearly alays stayed put, but on the Kapex one piece shot off at a hundred miles and hour out the back, luckily it shot out away from the window. It appears after some reading on this site, that I should clamp the offcut side to prevent this? I sthis correct as I work clamping the left. I will change if its better. Or should I simply have moved the wings in to prevent the piece from shooting out the back? I think I just hadn't given it any though that would happen. Old habits I guess.
So thats my fifty cents worth so far...some good, some not. Is it me and my habits from the old saw or am I expecting too much? I'll see how the next week goes and what results I get.
Uncle Festool [unsure]




Awesome to hear all of this, thanks for the review..If you don't mind me asking what do you do? I took delivery on a Bosch 4310 today and among other negatives the handle is cracked so it's going back. I am considering the Kapex, but I have tried to avoid it at all costs due to the cost of it and the fact I am not a contractor where the saw makes me money. Basically, a very advanced DIYr with the occasional side job, deck, basement remodel, and finish work.

I am kind of poling to see what kind of folks are spending this kind of $$ on a saw. I love all my festool products, and I own a festool dust collector (among other things), but the Kapex has been VERY hard for me to justify. I have a job (in my own home) where I am recasing about 10 windows, so this saw would be real nice for that. I do wonder how the Kapex transitions into more rough work like Decks etc..Does it perform as well over time getting slammed around by larger lumber etc..I want a universal saw, and so far I have been disappointed by the Bosch in certain aspects. Otherwise, it's an upgrade from the saw I had before it. I could scrape together enough to cover this thing if I return my C12, it's still in the 30 day period. BEtween that the money I have for the Bosch, and the $300 stand I got for the Bosch I am darn close to a Kapex. BUt basically selling the farm to get it!!

Glad you like your Kapex!
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Offline Acrobat

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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 09:20 PM »
Hi, To answer your question I work fulltime in a totally unrelated field but became an enthusiatic DIYer also, mainly because I have a very old home which I have been slowly - 8 years now, gutted and renovated. What on earth was I thinking! I've learnt having a reliable, more accurate mitre saw would have saved a whole heap of frustration and far less wastage on my part! I've gone from building new decks, steps and fences, garden arbours, letterboxes, to making bathroom cabinets and replace/fix windows, weatherboards etc. Basically anything and everything around the place.
I too am expecting the Kapex to handle all I throw at it, from large posts to small picture frames.
 The tablesaw and mitresaw I use most, apart from a hammer and drills of course.:-) I wish I had the Kapex when I started- there was a lot of trial and error on my part, especially any jobs that required angles cut neat and tidy. The kapex's handy tool would have saved me a heap of time and wasted timber. Im hoping it will anyway. So if the kapex can handle the variety I throw at it I will be happy. I made a extension fence with tape rulers and stop blocks for the ryobi mitre saw as I found that was so helpful so am hoping the kapex's version is at least as helpful and sturdy.  In regards the C12, if thats stopping you from gewtting the Kapex I would swap it and pay the difference. You can always get but with a cheaper drill but for the mitre saw you will want as good a quality as you can afford. Took me ages to bite the bullet, but like all my festool purchases when upgrading from an old inferior tool, I am glad I have and usually say what took me so long!
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 03:48 AM »
I am a very satisfied owner of a KAPEX mitre saw. In regards to off cut pieces flying about some recommended uses are to be considered. First as with ALL mitre saws after the cut has been completed it is mandatory to leave the saw down and let the blade come to a COMPLETE STOP before raising the saw head! If the saw is raised while the blade is still spinning the chances of one of the blades teeth catching the off cut is greatly increased. Once the tooth of the blade catches the off cut it can throw the piece at very dangerous speeds which could result in personal injury if one is not lucky. So leaving the saw down and holding it steady until the blade stops will reduce this issue. To eliminate the problem one can place a backing support piece of material so the off cut will remain in position. I fabricated a ZERO clearance cutting platform which supports small offcuts and allows me to cut tiny pieces of wood safely, i.e. edging or moulding stock. Just some thoughts and enjoy your new saw!
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 07:07 AM »
Hi, To answer your question I work fulltime in a totally unrelated field but became an enthusiatic DIYer also, mainly because I have a very old home which I have been slowly - 8 years now, gutted and renovated. What on earth was I thinking! I've learnt having a reliable, more accurate mitre saw would have saved a whole heap of frustration and far less wastage on my part! I've gone from building new decks, steps and fences, garden arbours, letterboxes, to making bathroom cabinets and replace/fix windows, weatherboards etc. Basically anything and everything around the place.
I too am expecting the Kapex to handle all I throw at it, from large posts to small picture frames.
 The tablesaw and mitresaw I use most, apart from a hammer and drills of course.:-) I wish I had the Kapex when I started- there was a lot of trial and error on my part, especially any jobs that required angles cut neat and tidy. The kapex's handy tool would have saved me a heap of time and wasted timber. Im hoping it will anyway. So if the kapex can handle the variety I throw at it I will be happy. I made a extension fence with tape rulers and stop blocks for the ryobi mitre saw as I found that was so helpful so am hoping the kapex's version is at least as helpful and sturdy.  In regards the C12, if thats stopping you from gewtting the Kapex I would swap it and pay the difference. You can always get but with a cheaper drill but for the mitre saw you will want as good a quality as you can afford. Took me ages to bite the bullet, but like all my festool purchases when upgrading from an old inferior tool, I am glad I have and usually say what took me so long!


Thanks Acro..I am going to look further into it today and see how much money I can pull together for it. Probably alot more saw than I need, but none of the major miter saws out there seem to have what I want. Hitachi is the only one that comes close and for some reason I don't like that saw.
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 02:51 PM »
I am a very satisfied owner of a KAPEX mitre saw. In regards to off cut pieces flying about some recommended uses are to be considered. First as with ALL mitre saws after the cut has been completed it is mandatory to leave the saw down and let the blade come to a COMPLETE STOP before raising the saw head! If the saw is raised while the blade is still spinning the chances of one of the blades teeth catching the off cut is greatly increased. Once the tooth of the blade catches the off cut it can throw the piece at very dangerous speeds which could result in personal injury if one is not lucky. So leaving the saw down and holding it steady until the blade stops will reduce this issue. To eliminate the problem one can place a backing support piece of material so the off cut will remain in position. I fabricated a ZERO clearance cutting platform which supports small offcuts and allows me to cut tiny pieces of wood safely, i.e. edging or moulding stock. Just some thoughts and enjoy your new saw!

Yes thanks you for that mate, when you explain it, its obvious really. Thinking about it, I'm amazed I never had anything cause harm-dumb luck I'd say. I will have to get into that new habit asap and wait and break the old one of lifting as soon as the cut was done. I will look at making a zero clearance backing board, as well as the one in the front.
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 02:55 PM »
Hi skids
Yeah it may be "more than you need", but why have something thats less than you need? Have a play with one at a dealers and see how it feels for you. If you do decide there is a 30 day money back return policy anyway.
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 05:18 PM »
I am a very satisfied owner of a KAPEX mitre saw. In regards to off cut pieces flying about some recommended uses are to be considered. First as with ALL mitre saws after the cut has been completed it is mandatory to leave the saw down and let the blade come to a COMPLETE STOP before raising the saw head! If the saw is raised while the blade is still spinning the chances of one of the blades teeth catching the off cut is greatly increased. Once the tooth of the blade catches the off cut it can throw the piece at very dangerous speeds which could result in personal injury if one is not lucky. So leaving the saw down and holding it steady until the blade stops will reduce this issue. To eliminate the problem one can place a backing support piece of material so the off cut will remain in position. I fabricated a ZERO clearance cutting platform which supports small offcuts and allows me to cut tiny pieces of wood safely, i.e. edging or moulding stock. Just some thoughts and enjoy your new saw!

Any pics of your zero clearance rig?
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2012, 12:19 AM »
Absolutely! As I said before it is really great for cutting edge banding and moldings. I use a Bessey auto-adjusting toggle clamp to safely hold the stock in place. There is a video out there by the Wood Whisperer where he explains why it can be dangerous to clamp the off cut piece. I think it involves pinching the workpiece which can result in a flying projectile.
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One view of my cutting platform.
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Another view, note the Bessey toggle clamp.
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Three quarter view. The platform is held in place by a KAPEX clamp on both sides. Non-slip material is on the bottom so the platform will not shift whilst making a cut. With this setup I can cut very very small pieces of material with confidence and a drastically reduced chance of needing to duck a flying projectile that seems to be approaching MACH 3 velocity.
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2012, 05:30 PM »
cool stuff thx!
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2012, 08:25 PM »
Wow, thats cool, I think I'll borrow that idea and setup ;). Looks a winner. Thanks for the pics.
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 08:28 PM »
Further to my experiences with my new Kapex.I just trialled the UG extensions and whilst the right side was level, the left was too low. I decided to keep the left and fix it by adding a washer to each nut as a spacer to get closer to the height of the kapex beds left side. It appears to me there is no way I can adjust the kapex bed as far as I can tell. I like the length and width of the extension and sturdy, although I was a bit perplexed with the way the extra slide out extension numbers worked. Seemed odd to me in that they suddenly count backwards on this part. I had thought someone had accidently put the tape of the left on the right and vice versa, but it clicked once I understood how it must work. Further notes to follow.

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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2012, 08:25 PM »
Cool setup! Thanks for sharing. Soon as I have time, I'll be "borrowing" your concept. Still saving for a Kapex... almost there!
Meanwhile, a few questions...
1. What are the 2 Inca T-slots for?
2. Is the platform only clamped down at its fence? Doesn't that sort-of "lift" the platform edge nearest you?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
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Offline TomGadwa1

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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2012, 09:56 PM »
The pair of Incra t-track slots are for the Bessey self adjusting toggle clamp which is used as a hold down for the small piece that is to be cut. The nice thing about this clamp is the auto adjustment feature. Thus it is not critical to adjust the clamp for each different size of workpiece that is placed on the platform. Regarding the fact that the platform is clamped on the fence side (good observation) I have not noticed an issue as the saw blade cuts the piece at precisely 90 degrees and with no tearout. I did notice when I tried to do some trenching that the trench depth was uneven but that was actually due to the fact that the zero clearance fence needs to be spaced away from the KAPEX fence by about 8 millimeters. This is so the saw blade will cut all the way through the workpiece. I have enjoyed using this as an accessory for my beloved KAPEX. It is great for cutting screen moulding and homebrewed edge-banding with safety and accuracy. You will not regret buying a KAPEX.
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2012, 10:57 PM »
Thanks Tom for the explanation.  I should have looked more carefully at your photos before bothering you with my question. When I first viewed the images, I thought the clamp was screwed-in next to the T-slot. Now, upon closer study, I can see that the clamp – of course – is riding IN the T-slot. My bad.
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Re: My new Kapex, thoughts so far
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2012, 12:21 AM »
Correct. The clamp rides in the slot to permit movement for differing depths of the workpieces that are to be cut. Using the clamp permits one to keep hands at a very safe distance and keeps the workpiece in proper alignment with the platform.
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