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Offline Peter Halle

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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2014, 08:37 PM »
With all the competitors out there in the last few years I would imagine that the Fein patent on design has run out. My guess - totally a guess - is that Festool and Fein have a friendly professional relationship and that this has been in the works for years.

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2014, 11:18 PM »
If you are planning on buying a multimaster type tool would you wait for the Festool or just buy the Fein?
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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2014, 11:40 PM »
If you are planning on buying a multimaster type tool would you wait for the Festool or just buy the Fein?

If your need is immediate, then there is no reason to delay your purchase.  In fact, in a bit of an indulgent move, I just sold my Multimaster and bought a Supercut in T-Loc systainer instead.  From what I've seen of Festool's version of the tool there may not be enough of a difference to justify a delay of purchase.


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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2014, 11:54 PM »
I have an older model Multimaster.  I almost bought a new one over the weekend but decide to wait for the new model with more power that is being released in July.  Then I got to thinking that I'm in no rush I could just wait for the Festool.  I like that plunge base option, other than that I think it is a supercut.
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2014, 12:04 AM »
With all the competitors out there in the last few years I would imagine that the Fein patent on design has run out. My guess - totally a guess - is that Festool and Fein have a friendly professional relationship and that this has been in the works for years.

Peter

I believe the patent ran out around 2010 and I agree, based on the obvious similarities between the machines there is clearly some combined development in my opinion.

There is some symbiosis between the two companies - Fein has retained it's relatively high price point and subsequent quality of it's product core without becoming a split location design and manufacture company.

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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2014, 12:35 AM »
Here's Festool Frank's video direct:



Get serious folks!  You KNOW that even though you have the Fein models... if you have Green Fever, sooner or later you  are not going to be able to stay orange. You HAVE to go green, so might as well start saving your shekels for it's ultimate release! [blink]

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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2014, 12:46 AM »
I think you are correct Frank, I will just have to wait for the dark blue and green tools.
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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2014, 02:52 AM »
The Festool oscillating tool looks so much like Fein's super cut I can't help but to wonder about patent infringement.

Licensing.

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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2014, 04:27 AM »
The Festool oscillating tool looks so much like Fein's super cut I can't help but to wonder about patent infringement.

Licensing.

I doubt whether there are any patent or licensing issues for Festool to worry about. There are plenty of other names on machines like these - mine is a Bosch. Even my local tool store sells4 or 5 other makes. From what I can tell from Franks Jaksch's video and the other discussions is that Festool have added several design features of their own that sets their version far apart from the competition.

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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2014, 07:09 AM »
I find it amusing that there is the remotest speculation that the Vecturo is not at the very least a Fein/Festool collaboration if not being manufactured by Fein for Festool.

One look at that unit and apart from a larger collar for the Festool accessories and a Plug-it lead, that unit IS a Supercut. Same oscillation range and amplitude, same power and crucially, the same blade change mechanism. I'm also fairly sure the QuickIN system is still under patent, otherwise why make it identical apart from a re-badge.

I also look forward to Festool's solution to dust collection with will undoubtedly be identical to the Supercut. Something which is usually criticised as an afterthought by Fein will no doubt be lauded as revolutionary and superior when given the green treatment...  ;)

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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2014, 08:03 AM »
I find it amusing that there is the remotest speculation that the Vecturo is not at the very least a Fein/Festool collaboration if not being manufactured by Fein for Festool.

One look at that unit and apart from a larger collar for the Festool accessories and a Plug-it lead, that unit IS a Supercut. Same oscillation range and amplitude, same power and crucially, the same blade change mechanism. I'm also fairly sure the QuickIN system is still under patent, otherwise why make it identical apart from a re-badge.

I also look forward to Festool's solution to dust collection with will undoubtedly be identical to the Supercut. Something which is usually criticised as an afterthought by Fein will no doubt be lauded as revolutionary and superior when given the green treatment...  ;)

Go to the fridge and drink two bottles of green koolaide ... that'll change your thinking!

The plunge chassis is a bit of an innovation, but I'm not blown off my chair by the Vecturo by any means. I actually see it as a bit of a lazy market grab.

Now all that said, I'll likely buy one - I've got the original Fein, but not a Supercut and the extra grunt, plunge mechanism and systainer storage would swing me v's a Fein (which only brings extra grunt to me ... and maybe an orange Systainer).

Not certain what I think about a tool with plug-it and no obvious dust port though [huh]

Offline Paul G

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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2014, 08:12 AM »
I'll consider one when my Fein wears out, might be waiting a very long time.....
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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2014, 08:16 AM »
I would buy a cordless version today assuming it used standard Festool batteries, preferably 18v. The accessories should make it an even more useful tool. The Fein cordless Supercut batteries are very expensive and only otherwise usable on Fein drills as far as I know.

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« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2014, 11:50 PM »
It has some cool functionality.  The plunge base is pretty innovative...could see some uses for it.  I wonder if that accessory would work with the Supercut?  The Plug-it is a nice feature too.  Too bad that it does not have dust collection.

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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2014, 06:53 AM »
ive had my eye on a fien for a while

but will definatly wait for the vecturo

as frank said resistance is futile we will buy it

or at least add it to our ever growing wish lists

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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2014, 05:54 AM »
its corded with no dust extraction?? saaaaaaaaaay whaaaaaat????  also wheres the cordless version? lol  [eek]
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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2014, 02:27 PM »
+1 Please offer a cordless version! Or is this the deal that Festool made with Fein..?

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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2014, 02:54 PM »
My Fein MM is the original - not even the VS one. It probably makes sense for me to just wait for the Vecturo to become available and buy one.

That clamp system that keeps it a certain distance from the workpiece is rather ingenious. Does that come with the Vecturo, or is that another acce$$ory?
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2014, 10:32 PM »
Are you talking about all of the bits that will come in a separate systainer?

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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2014, 11:05 PM »
My Fein MM is the original - not even the VS one. It probably makes sense for me to just wait for the Vecturo to become available and buy one.

That clamp system that keeps it a certain distance from the workpiece is rather ingenious. Does that come with the Vecturo, or is that another acce$$ory?

Based on what I've heard so far, it sounds like the Vecturo will ship with all of the accessories we've seen thus far as a complete set, though this is not necessarily set in stone....
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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2014, 11:14 PM »
Sorry, I haven't been following the thread very closely. I just popped in and read the last few replies.

The scope of delivery will likely vary by country, as it does with other tools. In the US, a decision regarding this has not yet been made firm.

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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2014, 11:16 PM »
With all the competitors out there in the last few years I would imagine that the Fein patent on design has run out. My guess - totally a guess - is that Festool and Fein have a friendly professional relationship and that this has been in the works for years.

Peter

My understanding is that the Fein patent on the overall concept of an oscillating tool has run out, but that Fein still holds the patent on the oscillating MECHANISM that is in their products. I've heard 3rd hand that, under heavy, continuous use, the other brands of oscillating tool (Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, etc...), aren't holding up as well as the Fein.

My understanding is that the motor and oscillating mechanism for the Vecturo are still manufactured by Fein, but that the two piece clamshell body and longer FastFix blade clamping lever are specific to the Festool version. So, really we're getting the best of both worlds: a proven motor and oscillating mechanism, combined with further, innovative refinements. Should make quite the splash when it finally arrives!
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« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2014, 08:53 PM »
I hope it arrives soon so my son can inherit my old Fein Multimaster!

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« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2014, 10:08 PM »
With all the competitors out there in the last few years I would imagine that the Fein patent on design has run out. My guess - totally a guess - is that Festool and Fein have a friendly professional relationship and that this has been in the works for years.

Peter

My understanding is that the Fein patent on the overall concept of an oscillating tool has run out, but that Fein still holds the patent on the oscillating MECHANISM that is in their products. I've heard 3rd hand that, under heavy, continuous use, the other brands of oscillating tool (Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, etc...), aren't holding up as well as the Fein.

My understanding is that the motor and oscillating mechanism for the Vecturo are still manufactured by Fein, but that the two piece clamshell body and longer FastFix blade clamping lever are specific to the Festool version. So, really we're getting the best of both worlds: a proven motor and oscillating mechanism, combined with further, innovative refinements. Should make quite the splash when it finally arrives!

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« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2014, 11:01 PM »
Fein is actually working with Festool on the tool that is why theres no infringement and why they look so alike .

on another note can any one tell me if lets say I buy the Vecturo and I bring it back to Canada can I just use my plug it cords or is there some kind of conversion that I need to do or some kind of voltage I should be concerned with ?

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« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2014, 03:55 AM »
Fein is actually working with Festool on the tool that is why theres no infringement and why they look so alike .

on another note can any one tell me if lets say I buy the Vecturo and I bring it back to Canada can I just use my plug it cords or is there some kind of conversion that I need to do or some kind of voltage I should be concerned with ?

thx

Europe is a 220- 240 volt area at 50 Hz. Canada and US are almost entirely 110 volts so do not try plugging in any tool to the  mains that has not be designed or modified for your area. When I lived in Canada I bought a step up transformer so I could run my various UK electrical items - that worked okay.

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« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2014, 06:54 AM »
Ok thanks Peter,

Exactly what I needed to know.

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« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2014, 07:38 AM »
they do sell 110V tools over here. Yes there is a difference in the Hz. But I dont think it makes that much of a difference. I have NA tools over here using a 3.3  Kv tranny. I have had no issues using the tools. Only Hz at 60hz makes the tool run a tad slower. So in NA they will run a tad faster

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« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2014, 07:58 AM »
Or a tad on fire  ;D joke lol

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« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2014, 12:35 PM »
Or a tad on fire  ;D joke lol

I know you were making a joke, but it's actually the opposite that's true. A 'standard' 50 Hz motor runs at ~1438 RPM and runs a little warmer than a 'standard' 60 Hz motor which runs at ~1725 RPM and runs a little cooler.

Again, this would be true of something like a TEFC motor on a jointer or planer. But most of the Festool product is electronically controlled, so speed are identical between the 50Hz models and their 60 Hz counterparts. For example, the Domino spec is:

Idle engine speed   24300 min-1 (24,300 RPM)

for both the UK and the USA models, while the OF1010 spec is:

Idle engine speed   10000-24000 min-1 (10000-24000 RPM)

for both the UK and the USA models.

I couldn't quickly find a product that is available in both places that would run at different speeds...but I didn't try very hard since these examples served my purpose.
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