I have a Tsc-55 and a Hkc-55 and love them.
I am really thinking about getting a cordless sander also.
The cost is the only deterrent,at $600 usd for the whole kit.

 I have the cordless vecturo and a bunch of Makita cordless.

What I think they should have done,is make the sys-vac cordless,as was said earlier .

The only corded tools I have are a Kapex and air compressor ,
But I also have a Senco fusion 18g.
I would go all cordless if I can.
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I have a Tsc-55 and a Hkc-55 and love them.
I am really thinking about getting a cordless sander also.
The cost is the only deterrent,at $600 usd for the whole kit.
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The one advantage that the cordless sanders have going for them is that the large "set" kits include the battery-to-mains adapter that turns the sander into a corded unit if you're either working faster than the charger, forgot to charge, or just want a corded unit for the time being.

The "plus" are less expensive and still include batteries.  And then, of course, once you're into that battery system, you can get the bare tools. With the mains adapter set plus a second bare tool, you can have two sanders always ready to go and swap the mains adapter into the mix if you need to toss a battery into the charger (or keep one tool plugged in and the other swapping batteries, or...).

I wanted to get into the cordless sanders and kept my eyes on Recon, but all that came up was the Kits.  I patiently held out for the RTSC-400 Set just to get the mains adapter.  Took a while for a Set to show up instead of a Kit, but I had time on my side.

For sure, Seth is right . . .What a hobbyist or professional buys is based on his usage, experience, and needs. I've never been a professional, but am a woodworker who builds a variety of shop furniture, furniture for my house, cabinets when needed, turnings on my lathe, and sometimes just things which interest me. My whole shop grew up around corded tools, mostly because cordless tools weren't really available that much when I became a woodworker. So, my experience is with corded tools. Tools like a reciprocating saw (which I don't use much) and a drill/driver, cordless is easier to use and there are a lot of economical choices. With most everything else, I have ready power in my shop and really don't need the cordless tools. So, my purchases and usage are really based on my history, needs, and the fact I have power I might not have access to on the job. People buy and use whatever works for them.

Quote from: six-point socket II on February 21, 2021, 11:55 AM

While I still don't have a functioning crystal ball,   and maybe there will be a cordless Festool dust extractor in future, my personal opinion is that Festool was smarter to bring the SYS-Powerstation which can power both a dust extractor and tool for a whole working day. Or let you charge plenty of batteries on one charge.

I agree those "power stations" not just Festool are going to be big.  Having 1-2 of those you charge up at night verses remembering to pop 10-30 batteries all in their chargers when you get home for the night is a big change.  The battery powered tools are still going to be nice for the reasons folks mention.  But having one giant battery you can use for all your tools and not just Festool stuff will be a big shift.  Being able to run stuff that doesn't come in battery versions too.  So much other stuff you can use them for outside of tools too.

It's way to easy with cordless to forget to pop them in their chargers while your working and before you know if, you got 5 batteries, all are dead, or they have some juice but can't muster for a high power draw task.

I too have missed a heartbeat or two over the prospect of the powerstation. I take care of buildings stairwells and surrounding areas have very long runs to plugs so I lug lots of heavy cords around often. The powerstation price is now up on the sites here in Scandinavia and after getting over the first shock of price I'm already making scheme as to how a scrape together the funds for it. Also as an emergency power supply it could be a very hand thing to have...

I've been looking into buying into festool for awhile (currently bosch user) and I've seen festool do cordless tools which should always be used with dust extraction..  saws, sanders etc.

so seeing has festool has the proprietary "Plug it" connection so the vacuum hose and cable can be as one.. what exactly is the point in a cordless tool from festool? makes sense with other brands that don't have this feature (plug it) as you have to change cables.

thoughts? I'm I missing something? or are the cordless festools indeed pointless?

So we're on the same page: the newest batteries start the newest vacs, so you don't need a cord to start it (I don't use any of that, I just use a bluetooth button). 

If you need cordless, you fall under two categories:

1.) Dealing with minimal residential power or a generator and want to use as little mains equipment as possible (cordless table and miter saws are huge for that reason).
2.) You really need to access tricky locations, in which case, you probably aren't carrying dust extractors or hoses with you.

Now, when it's time to go indoors or off the roof or whatever, do you want to go and buy the same tool but corded?  No, you don't.  So, Festool and other manufacturers have made it so that their cordless tools can commit to the same health and safety stuff as their corded counterparts.

The one part you're missing is that a dust bag does a half decent job.   

i dont do a huge amount of site work, compared to some people, but practilcy all my tools are corldess, i just prefer the conveniance of not having to plug in a cord.  even my scms is cordless.  that is usefull.  e.g. next week i am making some gates for a mate, and they are at the end of a track, with the nearest power 50m away.  easy to deal with when cordless.  i have a feeling my tsc and psc will be very usefull.

i havent used a festool sander, but i recently got a erbauer sander, and the dc with the box is brilliant, its basically a mini cyclone.

A lot of interesting answers here. Much of this discussion would be pointless if companies would systematically offer  battery-format AC to DC adapters. Black & Decker patents date from around 1990, having long expired. Yet such converters are way too rare, I know only Hikoki ( Metabo HPT in the USA) 36V adapter, and the one by Festool for their cordless sander (not helpful because deviating from their very own battery standard...).

BTW I too have asked Festool to produce a battery-operated, T-Loc systainer sized vac.

Making an adapter that would have sufficient power /modern 10-cell packs can provide burst power up to 1000 W and more/ and would also be practical - not too bulky, not too heavy, not too expensive - is not easy. If possible at all.

There are a few who would pay $200 or $300 for a "power brick" were it to use cutting edge tech to be compact-enough.

That is likely while HPT could make the 36V adapter but did not attempt to make an 18V one. The lower the output voltage, the higher the current, the stronger the electronics and the more heat is generated from the conversion.

Having "adapter" which will tend to overheat in continuous use - the whole purpose of having it - makes little sense. It can be done these days, but would be very expensive reducing the market for it very much. Doubly so in the Festool case where they not a mass maker AND have the Plug-It which makes a lot of the hassle with cords go away.

I think the small sander adapter was feasible simply because of the low peak power requirements of the sanders. So they can make one cost-effectively at a comparable size and weight to a battery pack. Yet I see it as mostly a hobby tool for who wants to avoid having multiple tools. Pros still go with the corded version (in addition to a cordless one) as it is lighter by avoiding the voltage double-conversion contraption.

I would even argue that for a hobby user it does not make -much- economical sense in many cases. The adapter goes for €100 while the sander can be had for €250 or so. You get a better tool when corded to boot and have two sanders so do to not have to swap papers all the time.

Bigger generator will likely not help much unless you get a really huge one.

Using a smaller generator to charge packs is actually a pretty efficient way. The generator can work at a consistent load and then be turned off. Much better than running corded tools off of a big generator with the generator running most of the time in no-load  mode.

A motor in the saw is likely not having any soft-start electronics as the batteries behavior under load will limit the peak power naturally.

When not limited, you can easily see 10 kW momentary peaks when starting a strong motor. As long as the adapter was able to handle it, it would pull over 20A on peak loads easily form the mains.

However a generator cannot handle peaks even though the wiring can bear them. Its max output is limited by the converter electronics which is rarely overbuilt to handle high peak loads. Anyway, you usually do not have a big-enough flywheel to avoid halting the engine if the load was too high.