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Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« on: November 25, 2014, 05:52 PM »
Hi Everyone

I have had a look at the Festool Centrotec standard and put this video together to explain the engineering behind it. I must admit that a couple of years ago I just thought that it was a way for Festool to make some extra money from the bits that go into their drills. I was wrong and now understand the clever philosophy behind the concept.

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2014, 09:40 PM »
Well done video, Peter.

You missed one of my favorite features of Centrotec: being able to put what you call legacy (standard wire detent 1/4" hex shank bits) into the drill with no chuck attached. I find this quick and convenient and it makes the drill even shorter and lighter.

Surprised you didn't cover the right angle and eccentric chucks. But, a good explanation of the system. Thanks for another informative video.  [thumbs up]

Shane

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 10:07 PM »
Nice review Peter.  Manythanks for this and all the other videos you have produced.  I have the Centrotec Installers Set and learned a couple new things watching your review tonight. 

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2014, 01:25 AM »
Well done video, Peter.

You missed one of my favorite features of Centrotec: being able to put what you call legacy (standard wire detent 1/4" hex shank bits) into the drill with no chuck attached. I find this quick and convenient and it makes the drill even shorter and lighter.

Surprised you didn't cover the right angle and eccentric chucks. But, a good explanation of the system. Thanks for another informative video.  [thumbs up]

Shane

Many thanks Shane.

The video is about Centrotec and so I steered clear of non Centrotec features. I felt I had to make a mention of Fastfix at the start in case a viewer was unfamiliar with the system.

Cheers.

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2014, 01:27 AM »
Nice review Peter.  Manythanks for this and all the other videos you have produced.  I have the Centrotec Installers Set and learned a couple new things watching your review tonight.

Many thanks. I am picking up new information all the time - the FOG is a great help in that respect.

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2014, 08:42 AM »
Does Festool still provide the full installers set (498796)?  I don't see it on the website -- only the basic version.
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2014, 08:51 AM »
Check your preferred dealer. There is still some existing stock out there. I was able to get the zobo version recently from toolnut.
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2014, 11:19 AM »
Peter,

Another good job on the review of the Centrotec system. It was only when I got the Centrotec installer kit that I realized that the Festool drills is only half as good without them. Buying the pieces one by one doesn't do justice to the System and if you build or install cabinetry it is a must have piece of kit. I regret that Festool sells the 5mm self centering drill bit by itself and not part of the installer kit as it is very helpful when installing sliders.

The Zobo bit with the guide pin or drill bit permit you to come in at an precise angle this is very helpful in a certain number of project.

Price wise for $475 at the time, I got 90% of drilling needs taken care for and have discarded most of other bits little by little as you find out how terrible they are.

Bruce

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2014, 04:21 PM »
I really look forward to your videos Peter. This one does not disappoint.
Just watched your video on the lock mitre joint which I found very informative.
Must say that you are getting very good with the graphics, most professional.
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2014, 04:46 PM »
Must say that you are getting very good with the graphics, most professional.

I noticed too that Peter's videos are getting better and better, they almost look like a completely professional production. And I find the way he presents everything very clear and agreeable. Amazing how it's all done by one person. 

I just wish Peter could find an intro tune that would not make my ears bleed for the next 3 hours.

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2014, 05:03 PM »
Great video and very informative- I am almost convinced to buy the centrotec installers set

Thanks Again Peter!!!

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2014, 03:54 AM »
Peter,

Another good job on the review of the Centrotec system. It was only when I got the Centrotec installer kit that I realized that the Festool drills is only half as good without them. Buying the pieces one by one doesn't do justice to the System and if you build or install cabinetry it is a must have piece of kit. I regret that Festool sells the 5mm self centering drill bit by itself and not part of the installer kit as it is very helpful when installing sliders.

The Zobo bit with the guide pin or drill bit permit you to come in at an precise angle this is very helpful in a certain number of project.

Price wise for $475 at the time, I got 90% of drilling needs taken care for and have discarded most of other bits little by little as you find out how terrible they are.

Bruce

Hi Bruce, Mick, Alex and Frank (and others above)

Many thanks for the kind words.

Up until about a year ago I believed that Centrotec was a way for Festool to generate additional revenue from the sale of drills and drivers. Then, at a show, someone pointed out the extra contact area of Centrotec bits and tools within the Centrotec chuck and then the penny dropped. It is a clever design that ensures positive hold, smaller size and lighter weight.

I saw the diagram on which my illustrations are based on the Festool UK web site. I asked their permission to use it and then made some variations, using Photoshop, to convey the various points.

I was not asked to make this video but, after my own early misconceptions, wanted to explain the engineering behind the Centrotec design. I did not intend it to be a means to encourage people to buy the various sets of Centrotec gear but I did have to show the range of items available. So, if I have dented your credit card or wallet I apologise.

On the one man production side - I have a huge advantage in that I am no longer in full time work and can afford to indulge my various passions - woodwork, technology and photography. I have turned down several attempts to commercialise my work and an offer to become a paid presenter. My overarching concern is that I would lose editorial control and probably be made to say something that I did not truly believe. My "Golden Rule" will always stand - I have to be able to recommend a tool, process or design to my very best friend before the video gets made. I am getting well over 100,000 hits a month on YouTube and have over 8,000 subscribers but those figures are puny compared to the giants in the video making game.

As for the music - I have asked my son several times to record another tune but he is far too busy at the moment. I will see what I can arrange. In the meantime, at least it satisfies the Scott Joplin fans !

Peter

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2014, 06:46 PM »
Must say that you are getting very. . .
I noticed too . .

I just wish Peter could find an intro tune that would not make my ears bleed for the next 3 hours.



Do not worry Alex, I hear he is reviewing his heavy rock collection!  [smile]

Great video again Peter, and I even discovered something I thought I knew, but obviously did not!  [big grin]
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2014, 01:35 AM »
Peter,

I never thought about the engineering of the centrotec bits. You are quite right about the length of bite te centrotec system alows us to have on the bits.


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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2014, 11:25 AM »
Great video Peter.

I brought the cxs drill a few months ago and love it. I don't have any centrotec bits or drills at the moment but might be taking the plunge soon!

The centrotec hss drill bits. Can they be replaced with any drill bit? Is there anything special about the Festool bit holder?

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2014, 07:53 AM »
Great video Peter.

I brought the cxs drill a few months ago and love it. I don't have any centrotec bits or drills at the moment but might be taking the plunge soon!

The centrotec hss drill bits. Can they be replaced with any drill bit? Is there anything special about the Festool bit holder?

Hi Jimmy,

I have not tried it but can see no reason for any problem. I have not checked to see if there is a flat on the drill where the grub screw goes in. Other than that I would think that any replacement should work.

Peter

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2014, 06:51 AM »
Peter
Great Video, your explanation and diagrams were very helpful in understanding the engineering behind the Festool Drill and Centrotec System. We are a Festool Dealer and I've emailed my sales team this video. We have all gone through the Festool training, but this video does a better job at explaining the centrotec system

Curry you should use this Video at Festool 101 training
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2014, 10:04 AM »
Great video Peter.

I brought the cxs drill a few months ago and love it. I don't have any centrotec bits or drills at the moment but might be taking the plunge soon!

The centrotec hss drill bits. Can they be replaced with any drill bit? Is there anything special about the Festool bit holder?

All Festool CE HSS drills have a flat part on the shaft and that's were the screw is placed.
But I think that any round drill will also work.
But then there is always a change that the drill will slip.
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2014, 10:22 AM »
Peter
Great Video, your explanation and diagrams were very helpful in understanding the engineering behind the Festool Drill and Centrotec System. We are a Festool Dealer and I've emailed my sales team this video. We have all gone through the Festool training, but this video does a better job at explaining the centrotec system

Curry you should use this Video at Festool 101 training

That is a great compliment - many thanks. The base diagram is one of Festool's own which I was given permission to use by Festool UK. I then chopped it around a bit with Photoshop to allow the sequencing for the explanation.

I hope that it helps the training.

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2014, 10:24 AM »
Great video Peter.

I brought the cxs drill a few months ago and love it. I don't have any centrotec bits or drills at the moment but might be taking the plunge soon!

The centrotec hss drill bits. Can they be replaced with any drill bit? Is there anything special about the Festool bit holder?

All Festool CE HSS drills have a flat part on the shaft and that's were the screw is placed.
But I think that any round drill will also work.
But then there is always a change that the drill will slip.

Seeing this has saved me looking closely at mine. In view of the flat being there on the Festool replacement bits I would recommend that drills with flats (in the right place) should be used.

Peter

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2014, 01:34 PM »
Jimmy -
the regulars have beaten me to the draw, but as they say, the bits have a single flat to best mate with the grub screw. I guess there's nothing to stop you grinding a small flat on any bit with a shank of suitable length.

It's not immediately obvious from some of the vendors' websites, that the HSS Centrotec bits (the ones in the 'holders') come with two spare bits (at least mine did here in the UK) which makes them somewhat less expensive than they might first appear. The packs of replacements (of 5 or 10 bits) are, per unit, actually reasonably cheap - much less than, say, Dormer - and seem to be of quite decent quality. So, all of that makes 'grinding your own flats' seem a bit unnecessary

Is there any sound reason that the brad-point wood bits are not offered in the same replaceable format?


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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2014, 01:41 PM »
Anyhow, hello everybody; more later...

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2014, 01:48 PM »
Thank you!

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2014, 12:40 AM »
For me the runout on standard ball detent bits has never been that much of a problem.  I have a CXS but I use standard bits in it that I can interchange with my other drills.

What IS interesting is that systainer.  That would be awesome.  Can you buy the systainer from the Installers Set?  No bits, just the systainer and inserts?
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2014, 01:28 AM »
Thank you for this well presented explanation of Centrotec. It was also helpful to get an insight into what the Festool boxed set is comprised of.
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2014, 01:50 AM »
Thank you for this well presented explanation of Centrotec. It was also helpful to get an insight into what the Festool boxed set is comprised of.
Mark

Many thanks Mark. Now that you have your new drills you can start your Centrotec collection !

Have you a plan for future Festool purchases?

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2014, 01:56 AM »
Hey, Euclid - [welcome] to the FOG!

It's always good to have confirmation of information. Thanks for posting.

And be sure to post some pictures of your tools and projects? We LOVE pictures!
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2014, 02:24 AM »
Indeed I can Peter although a Centrotec set costs more than the drill so I'm trying to decide what course to take. I probably didn't need 'two' drills, maybe I should resell one to fund a Centrotec set! With regards future purchases probably the plunge saw which was what first brought my attention to the brand. I'm trying to weigh up the differing power options available and which would be best. I don't have dust extraction so a midi might also be on the cards at some point if it's capable of being a general on the job vac too. I don't have a workshop so these are on the job tools where flexibility weight and size are all a consideration.

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2014, 02:49 AM »
Hi Mark

The CT should be amongst your next set of purchases. When I sold all of my old heavier woodworking kit and started buying Festool I spent some time on the FOG and found out how Festool had designed in dust extraction capabilities into all their tools. The Kapex, TS55, Domino and sanders need a CT behind them - my CT26 is the "unsung hero" in my workshop.

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2014, 04:59 AM »
As a Festool newbie the FOG is proving helpful for many reasons. I'll need to think about the various dust extractor options and look at the different advantages of each model. Your review of the CXS was also interesting, horses for courses and it looks a useful addition to any set as a lightweight manageable tool.
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2014, 06:56 AM »
Another high quality review Peter. I also thought the Centrotec system was Festools way of ensuring you had to buy their accessories which put me off purchasing a Festool drill for a long time. Keep up the good work!
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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2014, 07:34 AM »
Another high quality review Peter. I also thought the Centrotec system was Festools way of ensuring you had to buy their accessories which put me off purchasing a Festool drill for a long time. Keep up the good work!

Hi Pablo

Yes, it is amazing how easy it is to get things wrong. I think that the engineering thought that has gone into Centrotec is brilliant and I am now a firm fan.

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2014, 10:48 AM »


It's not immediately obvious from some of the vendors' websites, that the HSS Centrotec bits (the ones in the 'holders') come with two spare bits (at least mine did here in the UK) which makes them somewhat less expensive than they might first appear. The packs of replacements (of 5 or 10 bits) are, per unit, actually reasonably cheap - much less than, say, Dormer - and seem to be of quite decent quality. So, all of that makes 'grinding your own flats' seem a bit unnecessary
 

I picked up a 4mm one of those bits today along with a pack of 10 spares. As you say the spares are quite reasonable. Got mine from Warren at toolfest also picked up one of the drill dust collectors for my midi looks a really handy tool.

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Re: Festool Centrotec Standard - Video
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2014, 02:59 PM »
Thank you for the warm welcome, WOW.

I've been away for a while doing repairs at my parents' place - and getting good use from my new CSX, SYS-MFT and SYSLITE II (really pleased with that…). Have been thinking about a 'take-apart-able' stand and boom for the light  but I saw here that someone else has already done something vaguely similar.

(I will post more later and hope to have some projects to begin in the new year; my background is not really in working so much with wood so I'll probably have more questions than suggestions!)

The Centrotec system is quite easy to get hooked on, but I use quite a lot of stubby and odd-sized drill bits (for e.g. for getting optimum fit for threaded inserts into metal) so the system doesn't address all of my needs.

Love the spirit of enthusiasm and cooperation here...