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Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« on: October 12, 2012, 03:34 PM »
There is a new jigsaw being sold made by a company called Festool. Not many of you will have heard about this product and so I have made a short video which may be of interest.

My tool was supplied by Festool through my association with a major (UK) woodworking magazine.

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Peter

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 03:56 PM »
Excellent review Peter. Very honest and detailed. It has cleared up everyone's questions and concerns if you ask me.

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 04:11 PM »
good review peter  , nice to see the 420 can do everything my 400 can  [big grin]
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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2012, 04:44 PM »
Good review Peter. you can do 1.5 meter radius with the core maker/ thats cool.

3 things i'd like to see an angle cut in the center of the board
I'd like to see cut performance with a rail
and I'd like to see you review the mafell

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2012, 04:56 PM »
Good review Peter. you can do 1.5 meter radius with the core maker/ thats cool.

3 things i'd like to see an angle cut in the center of the board
I'd like to see cut performance with a rail
and I'd like to see you review the mafell

Thank you.

I had to cut some things out. I really don't see the point of doing jigsaw work with a guide rail. If a straight cut is long enough to make you think that you need a guide rail then perhaps you need to use a TS. If the cut is too short to warrant a TS then it might just as well be a freehand cut.

I do not go cap in hand asking manufacturers for tools to review but wait for them to contact me or let my magazine organise some work. I will never do 'head to head' or comparison reviews because that type of work is too subjective. It takes a lot of skill and a huge amount of work to do truly fair comparative tests. Many have tried and failed.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2012, 05:08 PM »
great job peter as usual.
the manual must be really bad for you to feel that strongly about it.

 i too would like to see the angle base in the convex formation in the middle of a sheet. the concave way looks great thow. the other half of the foot acts like a fence
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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 05:13 PM »




I had to cut some things out. I really don't see the point of doing jigsaw work with a guide rail. If a straight cut is long enough to make you think that you need a guide rail then perhaps you need to use a TS. If the cut is too short to warrant a TS then it might just as well be a freehand cut.




Hi peter,

Thanks for the review.. I think that its your personal opinion about not
wanting to use a jigsaw with a guide rail. As a review you should be objective.
Since the manufacturer designed it to work with a special foot for guide rail usage.

I think you should do a review on that topic cause its there always a moment that
you cant use a TS saw and using a jigsaw with a guide might help you out.

Thanks for the review..

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2012, 05:34 PM »
great job peter as usual.
the manual must be really bad for you to feel that strongly about it.

 i too would like to see the angle base in the convex formation in the middle of a sheet. the concave way looks great thow. the other half of the foot acts like a fence

Peters videos allways tell us how brilliant the tools are, so he needs to find fault with something to redress the balance
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2012, 05:39 PM »
I would never buy anything on his reviews.. I can find negatives on Festool products, he never does..

John..

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2012, 06:16 PM »
Neth 27 I would like you to please take the time and review the carved 420 and show us your views if you would not mind , I am all for honest reviews be it good or bad , I have found Peter parfitt to be honest in the reviews , perhaps you may like to highlight some where he should have been more objective unless Peter has not reviewed the tools you do not favour , I myself have certain views on a few festool tools and have read on this forum about them but I can't recall Peter posting about them but how many people have reviewed the festool FAKIR ? I doubt Peter cherry picks the tools he reviews and I have to trust him on what I have seen thus far , Peter well done in getting this video on the forum , green

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2012, 07:57 PM »
Thanks for a great review Peter, and getting the film done in such short time. It would have taken me longer to edit something together, and my video camera has packed up. So I took the easy route to do photos.

I will get some of the carvex blades and give the machine another run for its money.

I am very glad you mentioned the web site its so bad and the really awful users manual.
I meet a friend the other day who works for a firm that produces instruction manuals. I was tempted to tell her to contact Festool, she then said they had so much work they weren't looking for new clients. So I left it.

One of my favourite TED talks is about simplifying legal jargon. I embed the video at the bottom.
I think machine manuals should follow some basic rules. Like the uses know nothing and everything.
So give them all the information and don't treat them like an idiot.
Lots of Photos, illustrations, cartoons, mechine users are usually visual people.
Give good examples or the things you can do with the machine and maybe some examples of a few exercises to get used to the new machine.

Just my thoughts.
Maybe a new thread coming up here. "If Festool made a new manual it should ...."

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Having difficulty with the embed, if one of the moderators would be so kind, im going to in bed now.
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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2012, 10:17 PM »
I've never used my trion with a guide rail as I haven't seen the need. I was just curious as to what the performance is like as it's a feature the saw boasts.
As for my request for the mafell review, i'm not interested in a head to head, just your reaction to that tools performance.
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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2012, 10:21 PM »
Peter,

Thanks for that video.  You are a trooper, doing that while you were not feeling your best.  I appreciate the fact that you put the Carvex 420 thru the paces and just showed it doing its thing.

Another Peter.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2012, 10:25 PM »
how many people have reviewed the festool FAKIR ?

I have.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2012, 10:36 PM »
how many people have reviewed the festool FAKIR ?

I have.

Start a new thread maybe?  I don't have wallpaper and hate it with a passion and would love to see it.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2012, 10:48 PM »
Yeah, missed the Fakir review, Scott. Post us a link or something.  [popcorn]

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2012, 10:49 PM »
how many people have reviewed the festool FAKIR ?

I have.

Start a new thread maybe?  I have wallpaper with a passion but would love to see it.

Peter

Oh, I won't muddy up a good Carvex thread with the Fakir.

I will definitely make it a dedicated thread when I do publish it, and I would be happy to share it exclusively here.

Unfortunately, its on a list of draft form reviews that may not see daylight for a bit, and there are several much more relevant tools on the list (my opinion, but likely to reflect consensus). And it is a tool that has an unusual range of strength/weakness extremes. Sometimes I think that readers of reviews don't understand that reviews with strong negative (or con) components take longer to compile and present than more favorable ones. However, I can honestly say that some of the tools that I have written (and shared video) the most critically of, have been the most appreciated by the manufacturer of the tool. I had one case where an engineer from the manufacturer called to thank me for telling the truth about how bad the tool sucked, so that the corporate layers would see it and agree that either a redesign or complete removal of the line was in order. To me, critical versus favorable reviewing is similar to jury patterns in court. Not guilty verdicts are returned quickly in comparison with the deliberation that goes into a guilty verdict, and sometimes the jury is entirely hung. Just my $.02.

PS...Peter, if you hate wallpaper, you ought to own a Fakir.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2012, 10:52 PM »
Yeah, missed the Fakir review, Scott. Post us a link or something.  [popcorn]

When it graduates from draft form, it'll be visible. Its a tough one to incorporate proper footage with. Believe me, watching a video of wallpaper stripping is only slightly more fun than wallpaper stripping itself.

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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2012, 11:01 PM »
Thanks for making the review Peter.  I wonder why the blade ejection lever isn't green, I might not be able to find it! [tongue]

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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2012, 03:07 AM »
Thanks for the review. I particularly liked your rant about the instructions. An excuse I have heard in the past was that professionals in Germany had long apprenticeships and therefore knew how to use their tools. To know about the pendulum setting seems unlikely though. The "instructions" say to set the pendulum between 0 and 1 when using the circle cutter - which setting did you use to get the circle shown in the test?
( I have some Felder machines which are excellent, but their instructions also seem on a par with the Festool ones. Luckily they have a FOG as well.)

I was hoping to cut some 2 metre diameter circles in 22 mm ply but am wondering if I need to do it freehand and then clean up with a router as the instructions seem to limit the circle jig to 20mm Any thoughts?
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2012, 03:26 AM »
Thanks for the review. I particularly liked your rant about the instructions. An excuse I have heard in the past was that professionals in Germany had long apprenticeships and therefore knew how to use their tools. To know about the pendulum setting seems unlikely though. The "instructions" say to set the pendulum between 0 and 1 when using the circle cutter - which setting did you use to get the circle shown in the test?
( I have some Felder machines which are excellent, but their instructions also seem on a par with the Festool ones. Luckily they have a FOG as well.)

I was hoping to cut some 2 metre diameter circles in 22 mm ply but am wondering if I need to do it freehand and then clean up with a router as the instructions seem to limit the circle jig to 20mm Any thoughts?
Richard.
Hi Richard

I had the pendulum setting in position 1 and the results were excellent. I did not try any other settings.

I would have thought that 22mm is close enough to 20mm to allow everything to work okay. You should do a test on a piece that will be on the scrap side of the cut. I am sorry if I am inviting you to suck eggs (there should be a smiley thing for that) but do let the saw do the work.

Good luck.

Peter

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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2012, 03:31 AM »
Im not one to nitpick Peter but it was imposible for us to see the square on those cuts, A close up would have been nice. For me when i say square it means 90 degrees so it would be nice to see those cuts up close with the square  run along the full lenght of the cut. Cheers.
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2012, 03:34 AM »
Nice review Peter, in the auto mode did you not have problems with the saw speeding up suddenly and making you jump forward and missing the line you were trying to follow?
And what did you think of the on/off switch position? For me i cannot reach it comfortably with any fingers when i am holding the saw on the barrel, so i need to hold it upside down while it's running so i can slip my finger just far enough to reach the switch. I find that quite fiddely and flat out dangerous.

It would be nice to see you use a 400 model so you can give your opinion on both, the first and only time i tried to use my 400 on the rail was when i needed to  shorten garden fences that had 90mm thick posts on each end, i quickly gave up because the blade was following the wood grain instead of the rail and would go out of the guide untill it would bend. I wasn't asking for a perfect cut, but it couldn't do the job at all. And in that particular case the jigsaw plus rail was the only tool capable of doing such cuts in one pass.
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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2012, 08:58 AM »
Nice review Peter.  From the video, it appears as if the battery powered Carvex has sufficient power.  Would you care to comment about the battery life?  I think another downside to me would be the fact that only one battery is included in the kit.  I have yet to purchase any battery powered tool that did not include two batteries.


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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2012, 11:09 AM »
Nice review Peter, in the auto mode did you not have problems with the saw speeding up suddenly and making you jump forward and missing the line you were trying to follow?
And what did you think of the on/off switch position? For me i cannot reach it comfortably with any fingers when i am holding the saw on the barrel, so i need to hold it upside down while it's running so i can slip my finger just far enough to reach the switch. I find that quite fiddely and flat out dangerous.

It would be nice to see you use a 400 model so you can give your opinion on both, the first and only time i tried to use my 400 on the rail was when i needed to  shorten garden fences that had 90mm thick posts on each end, i quickly gave up because the blade was following the wood grain instead of the rail and would go out of the guide untill it would bend. I wasn't asking for a perfect cut, but it couldn't do the job at all. And in that particular case the jigsaw plus rail was the only tool capable of doing such cuts in one pass.
Instead i had to go out and buy a plunge saw, and still use the jigsaw for the posts.

Hi Tim

The very first time I did an 'auto' cut I was taken aback by the sudden application of power but once you know that it is coming you get used to it. the on-off switches are fine, again one gets used to them quite quickly.

Using any jigsaw on a rail or next to a solid guide clamped to the wood is prone to all sorts of problems. When you guide a piece of wood through a bandsaw you are constantly doing little adjustments to keep the cut straight or on the line. The same is true with a jigsaw and when you do a freehand cut you do loads of little adjustments to keep it on the line. If you use a rail you can have problems due to grain direction and other factors out of the control of the user.

Peter

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2012, 11:15 AM »
Nice review Peter.  From the video, it appears as if the battery powered Carvex has sufficient power.  Would you care to comment about the battery life?  I think another downside to me would be the fact that only one battery is included in the kit.  I have yet to purchase any battery powered tool that did not include two batteries.



If you saw my 'interim video' cutting the thick lumps of wood you will have seen that I had to recharge halfway through the maple cut. By that stage I had already done 4 or 5 cuts through the 100mm square softwood plus a handful of other practice cuts. Battery life is okay but I would rather have a mains powered machine. If your work style requires you to have battery power then you really do need a second battery so that you can keep going. I was suprised that the kit came with just the one battery. If I remember correctly, you can plug many of the Festool batteries in other Festool machines which would help if you already had other battery powered tools.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2012, 12:17 PM »
Any thoughts on my comment above Peter? I am looking to get the battery powered 420 so some closeups on the squareness of the cuts would be great.
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2012, 01:49 PM »
Any thoughts on my comment above Peter? I am looking to get the battery powered 420 so some closeups on the squareness of the cuts would be great.

The only cut that is visibly off is the 110mm deep cut in the hard maple. Try the machine yourself if you are not sure.

Peter

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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2012, 01:55 PM »
Any thoughts on my comment above Peter? I am looking to get the battery powered 420 so some closeups on the squareness of the cuts would be great.

The only cut that is visibly off is the 110mm deep cut in the hard maple. Try the machine yourself if you are not sure.

Peter

Thanks Peter, I can also see the counter top is off abit. I would love to go test it out myself but noone has it in stock here. They are only willing to order it if I want to buy it. Seems like the Festool support here in South Africa has gone to the dogs in the last year or two.
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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2012, 02:56 PM »
My TS55 cuts perfectly square. It can do this because it has an adjustment mechanism as part of the design. The squareness of the cut can be adjusted and set. Anyone who expects a 100% square cut from a tool out of the box that doesn't have any adjustment mechanism is nuts.

If you want a 100% square cut, use a tool designed to give you one!

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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2012, 03:26 PM »
Neth 27 I would like you to please take the time and review the carved 420 and show us your views if you would not mind , I am all for honest reviews be it good or bad , I have found Peter parfitt to be honest in the reviews , perhaps you may like to highlight some where he should have been more objective unless Peter has not reviewed the tools you do not favour , I myself have certain views on a few festool tools and have read on this forum about them but I can't recall Peter posting about them but how many people have reviewed the festool FAKIR ? I doubt Peter cherry picks the tools he reviews and I have to trust him on what I have seen thus far , Peter well done in getting this video on the forum , green

I tried the 400, i would never again want  to waste over £300 for something that was useless ..Why has no one mentioned about the review you need to adjust the blade with a allen key? that to me is a step backwards of about 10 years..

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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2012, 03:39 PM »
I would compare the 400 to something like this http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/power-tools/sawing/jigsaws/350W-Jigsaw-10957575  [blink]

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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2012, 03:48 PM »
My TS55 cuts perfectly square. It can do this because it has an adjustment mechanism as part of the design. The squareness of the cut can be adjusted and set. Anyone who expects a 100% square cut from a tool out of the box that doesn't have any adjustment mechanism is nuts.

If you want a 100% square cut, use a tool designed to give you one!

No one is expecting a jigsaw to cut 100% square, but when someones says it cuts square i need to see what there idea of square is. I only ever use my jigsaw to cut filler pieces for built-ins and cut down rough saw timber, so seeing how a battery operated jigsaw cuts is what i wanted to see, and it looks like it works as well as its corded counterpart.
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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2012, 03:51 PM »
My TS55 cuts perfectly square. It can do this because it has an adjustment mechanism as part of the design. The squareness of the cut can be adjusted and set. Anyone who expects a 100% square cut from a tool out of the box that doesn't have any adjustment mechanism is nuts.

If you want a 100% square cut, use a tool designed to give you one!

As I said in the video - people expect too much from jigsaws. If one wants a 100% square cut in kitchen work top then use the TS or take a worktop jig and use a router.

Peter

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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2012, 03:52 PM »
Why are we talking about the 400 here ??? This thread is for the 420, everyone already knows the 400 had problems so lets leave that tool where it belongs........in the past. [dead horse]
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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2012, 03:57 PM »
My TS55 cuts perfectly square. It can do this because it has an adjustment mechanism as part of the design. The squareness of the cut can be adjusted and set. Anyone who expects a 100% square cut from a tool out of the box that doesn't have any adjustment mechanism is nuts.

If you want a 100% square cut, use a tool designed to give you one!

As I said in the video - people expect too much from jigsaws. If one wants a 100% square cut in kitchen work top then use the TS or take a worktop jig and use a router.

Peter

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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2012, 04:59 PM »
Never thought I would say it but these carvex 420 topics are boring me MASSIVELY.   YET! I keep clicking on them every time they have a new post but I keep regretting it.   

Im going to have to do what I have done with a few topics in the pas and delete my posts so they stop popping up in my new replies.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2012, 06:02 PM »
Never thought I would say it but these carvex 420 topics are boring me MASSIVELY.   YET! I keep clicking on them every time they have a new post but I keep regretting it.   

Im going to have to do what I have done with a few topics in the pas and delete my posts so they stop popping up in my new replies.

JMB




Thats why I started talking about the Fakir a couple pages ago. The Carvex threads can be like roadkill, you can't not look.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2012, 08:16 AM »

Using any jigsaw on a rail or next to a solid guide clamped to the wood is prone to all sorts of problems. When you guide a piece of wood through a bandsaw you are constantly doing little adjustments to keep the cut straight or on the line. The same is true with a jigsaw and when you do a freehand cut you do loads of little adjustments to keep it on the line. If you use a rail you can have problems due to grain direction and other factors out of the control of the user.

Peter
I beg to differ. If you have a good bandsaw properly set up with the right blade you can get very straight cuts with the stock pushed firmly against the guide. It isn't necessarily easy, but when it is set up right it is vey sweet.
Expecting a jigsaw to do the same (or cut very large stuff) is clearly optimistic, but if a straight guided cut  is not possible with a jigsaw, why offer a special foot to use with a guide rail??!

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2012, 10:28 AM »
Hi Richard

My bandsaw performs well most of the time but every now and again it seems to have a mind of its own. I am not going to try and justify Fsetool's decision to offer the guide rail attachment. Festool state that it works on thinner stock (up to 18mm). I still do not see the point of using a jigsaw with a guide rail.

Peter

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2012, 05:00 PM »
I would compare the 400 to something like this http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/power-tools/sawing/jigsaws/350W-Jigsaw-10957575  [blink]
got to laugh at this for just under £13. 00. It has an on board Allen key !! 420 £300+ ? where did I or festool go wrong ?

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2012, 05:18 PM »
I would compare the 400 to something like this http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/power-tools/sawing/jigsaws/350W-Jigsaw-10957575  [blink]
got to laugh at this for just under £13. 00. It has an on board Allen key !! 420 £300+ ? where did I or festool go wrong ?

It gets better reviews than the carvex, 80% of people would recommend it to a friend  [big grin]

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2012, 12:42 PM »
Got my 420 friday, today i cut a 370mm hole in a 44mm fire door for a glazed port hole, with the circle cutting attachment, i know the manual states not to use the attachment on materal thicker than 20mm but it cut through fine and square. makes my life easier as now i down have to set the router up for this task.

also got the ctl 26 with boom arm has changed my work, no more hose wrapped around my arm.

Leigh.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2012, 02:09 PM »
 [sad] Still waiting for my Carvex 420   its coming from Germany.  No big deal luckily I have two spare jigsaws innit!

Ill put it to test straight away.   tik tok tik tok tik tok tik tok ill wait.

I have got a letter in my post box saying unable to deliver because no one was in  it could be the carvex?!?!  Dont kno always have stuff delivered all the time.  

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2012, 02:20 PM »
Got my 420 friday, today i cut a 370mm hole in a 44mm fire door for a glazed port hole, with the circle cutting attachment, i know the manual states not to use the attachment on materal thicker than 20mm but it cut through fine and square. makes my life easier as now i down have to set the router up for this task.

also got the ctl 26 with boom arm has changed my work, no more hose wrapped around my arm.

Leigh.

Hi Leigh

Yes, the 420 does cut circles well. I have not tried anything over 20mm yet but I spoke to a fellow woodworker at the D&M show last week (actually he came up to me as he recognised me from the videos - I went red with embarrassment). He had taken delivery of his 420 the day before the show and did a circular cut in 40mm workstop with no problem.

I have had a few more goes with the machine on some solid oak that I am using for a built-in desk and cupboard. The machine performed really well. I had a long meandering cut along the 20mm thick oak top for the desk where it fits against the wall. The cut was with the grain (which is where I have found other machines can let you down) and I was following a scribed pencil line. The line was easy to follow, the cut was square and it made a good job.

Peter

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2012, 04:01 PM »
Hi Peter,
I too went to the d & m show, I had a go on the 420 there and then ordered from my local dealer last Monday, they had sold out at the show, I got the accessories systainer also. The chap doing the demos at the tool fair kindly gave me a demo voucher in exchange for one of my daughters wine gums. Bargin!

I am very happy with the 420, many thanks for your excellent review and helping me sway to the green side. Next on my list is the mft/3 I have a birch ply kitchen to built in 2 weeks time, I know the mft would be invaluable for that but it may have to wait until the new year after last weeks large festool spending. (420/acc's, ctl 26 & boom arm)

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2012, 04:51 PM »
Hi Leigh

When I made my initial purchase of Festool kit I did not include the MFT3 or the TS55. At that stage I could not see how the MFT3 was anything other than an expensive portable table - oh how I was wrong. I was lucky enough to have seen a few threads here on the FOG as well as a couple of videos. It may seem strange to say this but, as luck would have it, my Radial Arm Saw (RAS) was getting a bit old and sloppy (a bit like me) and I needed to get a new one. I spent a few days doing some market research and knew that I needed to spend well over £1300.

Thanks to the information from the FOG I realised that the MFT3 and the TS55 would almost completely replace the functionality of my RAS and in so many ways be more capable. The two would be under £1000. I agonised over the cost of the MFT3; sometimes I convinced myself that it was right, then I changed my mind. In the end I bit the bullet and have not regretted buying it for one second. I now have it in the middle of the main room of my workshop positioned like an island unit in a kitchen. The only things that I avoid doing on it are gluing up and applying finishes - I have an iroko topped bench especially for those two operations. the clamping options, the ability to use the saw and guides with it and its versatility are brilliant. I rarely use the guide rail supports and things as I now use Bench Dogs and Parf Dogs for almost all of my 90 degree cuts.

The MFT3 (and all of my Festool tools) fit in the back of my tiny Yaris and there is still room for a passenger - a really impressive travelling workshop.

If you can get the MFT3 in time for that next job you will not regret it.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2012, 08:29 AM »
I got my Carvex to day!  YAY!!!  

Not sure if its me  or because I have been using my other jigsaws while I was waiting for the new Carvex  but it feels heavier than the previous model I wish I had both to compare does any one have both to hand???  

 New carvex  420 with battery+charger and T-loc and couple blades!   Amazing!!!  Brilliant service!!

I have had a go with it just very quickly  not to happy about the Alan key storage thing but I can live with it (I hope)  

Any way just did two cuts 400mm long each through 30mm redwood  and I noticed a difference in cutting straight away from my old Carvex 400.  While cutting with the Carvex 420 it just felt a lot more firm like the blade and carvex where working together while cutting the curves.

I felt with the carvex 400 when I turned that the blade just wanted to go its own way and come out of its V groove and move about.

So.. so far so good for the 420.   Happy  [big grin]

Like I said ill do some videos as usual jmb style  (no talking)

JMB
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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2012, 10:45 AM »
I have started work on my second Carvex 420 video. I will be covering detail work using the splinter guard and demonstrating cutting to a scribed line. I kick myself for not filming the construction of a built in oak desk that allowed me to have a really good play with the machine - particularly getting the solid oak desk top to fit perfectly between 3 walls (in an alcove).

Peter

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2012, 11:42 AM »
My TS55 cuts perfectly square. It can do this because it has an adjustment mechanism as part of the design. The squareness of the cut can be adjusted and set. Anyone who expects a 100% square cut from a tool out of the box that doesn't have any adjustment mechanism is nuts.

If you want a 100% square cut, use a tool designed to give you one!

As I said in the video - people expect too much from jigsaws. If one wants a 100% square cut in kitchen work top then use the TS or take a worktop jig and use a router.

Peter

I feel we have come to discount tools based on their previous incompetencies.  We should not say a jigsaw would not cut square, don't be daft.  We should instead say Festool, with all your engineering prowess design me a jigsaw that does cut square.  That's innovation that we have come to expect from the big green, no? 

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2012, 01:42 PM »
Hi JC

I take your point. I have just been doing the filming for the second PSC420 video and the more I use the machine the more I am convinced that Festool have done a brilliant job. The cuts are really clean and square. I have an old Stanley professional jigsaw which cost an arm and a leg (shouldn't use that expression for a cutting tool) and I have always hated using it because the cuts were so inconsistent. I love the new machine and am convinced that it will satisfy even the most critical user.

Peter

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2012, 02:27 PM »
:) looking forward to it...

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2012, 02:41 PM »
Neth 27 I would like you to please take the time and review the carved 420 and show us your views if you would not mind , I am all for honest reviews be it good or bad , I have found Peter parfitt to be honest in the reviews , perhaps you may like to highlight some where he should have been more objective unless Peter has not reviewed the tools you do not favour , I myself have certain views on a few festool tools and have read on this forum about them but I can't recall Peter posting about them but how many people have reviewed the festool FAKIR ? I doubt Peter cherry picks the tools he reviews and I have to trust him on what I have seen thus far , Peter well done in getting this video on the forum , green

I have just ordered the 18v version.... I just need a cordless jigsaw.... I hope it works okay.. If it does not, everyone on here will soon know about it  [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2012, 07:26 AM »
Got it... Hopefully give it a try on Monday..

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2012, 03:32 PM »
Used it today for a short while on 18mm and 25mm (3/4 and 1"  [smile] ) kitchen panels.. Everything seemed to work very well.. I just need to try it on 40mm worktops next, but up to now im impressed (apart from the battery does not last very long)  For the price they should supply 2 batteries..

John..

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2012, 03:53 PM »
Used it today for a short while on 18mm and 25mm (3/4 and 1"  [smile] ) kitchen panels.. Everything seemed to work very well.. I just need to try it on 40mm worktops next, but up to now im impressed (apart from the battery does not last very long)  For the price they should supply 2 batteries..

John..
I agree. I think that I said something about that in my review. For me the 240volt machine would be ideal but if you have to have batteries for mobility then you do need two. However, quite a few guys have more than just the one cordless machine and the batteries are interchangeable.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2012, 04:34 PM »
I do have a corded 110v Bosch jigsaw but just needed a cordless instead of humping around a transformer.. I dont have any Festool cordless tools, i wonder if i can ram a Hilti 22v battery on to it  [big grin]
I could sell the Bosch, but it just does not feel right to sell the top of the range Bosch jigsaw to pay for a spare battery  [blink]

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2012, 08:43 AM »
First problem [crying] the led lights seem to have a mind of there own. Sometimes they come on sometimes they don't..

John..

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2012, 02:02 PM »
First problem [crying] the led lights seem to have a mind of there own. Sometimes they come on sometimes they don't..

John..

I have yet to make a video but I have used it a few times now definitely an improvement over the old carvex.

As to the LED lights  what is different to the old   when you tip the Carvex upside down  both on the OLD and NEW carvex the LEDS would switch off automatically BUT with the New model if you turn the jigsaw the right way up again the LEDS stay switched OFF   the old one they use to come back on again.   If I want the LEDS to turn back on again on the NEW carvex I have to switch the Carvex OFF and back ON again.

No big deal.

Does your dust cover at the front slide down on yours Neth?!  As mine I have tried and tried and I can not get it to slide down.  
For me its a Bonus as my old one use to slide down on its own so I stuck tape across it as I never use it any way.


JMB
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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2012, 04:38 PM »
First problem [crying] the led lights seem to have a mind of there own. Sometimes they come on sometimes they don't..

John..

I have yet to make a video but I have used it a few times now definitely an improvement over the old carvex.

As to the LED lights  what is different to the old   when you tip the Carvex upside down  both on the OLD and NEW carvex the LEDS would switch off automatically BUT with the New model if you turn the jigsaw the right way up again the LEDS stay switched OFF   the old one they use to come back on again.   If I want the LEDS to turn back on again on the NEW carvex I have to switch the Carvex OFF and back ON again.
   
No big deal.

Does your dust cover at the front slide down on yours Neth?!  As mine I have tried and tried and I can not get it to slide down.  
For me its a Bonus as my old one use to slide down on its own so I stuck tape across it as I never use it any way.


JMB

I have never tried to slide the dust cover down.. The same as you i would never use it.. The one thing which would come in handy is a battery level indicator, especially as theres only one battery..

John..

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2012, 07:50 PM »
First problem [crying] the led lights seem to have a mind of there own. Sometimes they come on sometimes they don't..

John..

I have yet to make a video but I have used it a few times now definitely an improvement over the old carvex.

As to the LED lights  what is different to the old   when you tip the Carvex upside down  both on the OLD and NEW carvex the LEDS would switch off automatically BUT with the New model if you turn the jigsaw the right way up again the LEDS stay switched OFF   the old one they use to come back on again.   If I want the LEDS to turn back on again on the NEW carvex I have to switch the Carvex OFF and back ON again.

No big deal.

Does your dust cover at the front slide down on yours Neth?!  As mine I have tried and tried and I can not get it to slide down.  
For me its a Bonus as my old one use to slide down on its own so I stuck tape across it as I never use it any way.


JMB

Hi JMB
Glad to hear you got you new machine at last. I found the transparent cover on the front very difficult to move at first.
I think I used a screw driver to get down the first time. I was looking for good dust extraction so thought it would be better with the front down. I find it now moves more easily.
I think the lights going on and off is an over careful safety feature not to cause blindness or epileptic fits.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2012, 04:57 AM »
First problem [crying] the led lights seem to have a mind of there own. Sometimes they come on sometimes they don't..

John..

I have yet to make a video but I have used it a few times now definitely an improvement over the old carvex.

As to the LED lights  what is different to the old   when you tip the Carvex upside down  both on the OLD and NEW carvex the LEDS would switch off automatically BUT with the New model if you turn the jigsaw the right way up again the LEDS stay switched OFF   the old one they use to come back on again.   If I want the LEDS to turn back on again on the NEW carvex I have to switch the Carvex OFF and back ON again.

No big deal.

Does your dust cover at the front slide down on yours Neth?!  As mine I have tried and tried and I can not get it to slide down.  
For me its a Bonus as my old one use to slide down on its own so I stuck tape across it as I never use it any way.


JMB

Hi JMB
Glad to hear you got you new machine at last. I found the transparent cover on the front very difficult to move at first.
I think I used a screw driver to get down the first time. I was looking for good dust extraction so thought it would be better with the front down. I find it now moves more easily.
I think the lights going on and off is an over careful safety feature not to cause blindness or epileptic fits.

Pip


Not tried a screw driver yet I thought I would be strong enough to move the cover by hand but clearly not.  My face went red and it still didnt move.

I know why the lights turns off  but what  I was saying was the Carvex 420 once the lights turn off  they dont not turn back on when you turn the carvex the right way up.  The old carved 400 it did turn back on.      Thats all I was saying.

Yeah really really really good service from Festool! Went to my dealer few weeks ago festool next day (fallowing day as I wasnt in next day) picked up my carvex bare in a plywood box I made for it!  

Few weeks later because it was coming from Germany    I received  Carvex 420 in a T-loc with charger and batterie   [big grin] Happy days!! SO im a charger and batterie and T-loc up!

Brilliant!  

Just gotta get my arse into gear and do a video.   So far I like the jigsaw  well its a big improvement from the old the blade feels more solid as the old Carvex the blade was just loose and rubbish.

JMB

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2012, 11:55 AM »
Well I have been using the carvex nearly all day today fitting kitchen worktops etc. I have to admit its a great jigsaw  [big grin].  The cutting out of the sink and hob were spot on.. The light problem must of been me turning it upside down as it has not happened today..
  I would definitely recommend it to anyone.

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2012, 01:35 PM »
Hi Neth

I have used the new Carvex quite a bit since doing the video and I think that it is an excellent piece of kit. I made some drawers on Saturday that sit behind a cupboard door and I forgot to do the hand-hold cutouts before assembly. The Carvex did the job and I had just a tiny bit of sanding to do before applying the PolyX. So, well done Festool.

Peter

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2012, 02:00 PM »
Hi Neth

I have used the new Carvex quite a bit since doing the video and I think that it is an excellent piece of kit. I made some drawers on Saturday that sit behind a cupboard door and I forgot to do the hand-hold cutouts before assembly. The Carvex did the job and I had just a tiny bit of sanding to do before applying the PolyX. So, well done Festool.

Peter

Two of the other lads i work with were also impressed with it  [big grin] Im just waiting for my second battery to be delivered now before i sell my Bosch GST140...
Just to add, i was not using the new carvex blades just some random Makita and Bosch blades which worked fine..

John...

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« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2012, 02:08 PM »
Hi John,

Yes, I forgot to say that when I did my hand-hold cutouts on my oak drawer fronts I used one of the old narrow Trion blades and it worked perfectly.

A second battery sounds like a good idea.

Peter

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2012, 08:56 AM »
Hello Everyone

I have just been to the timber yard (Timbersource here in the UK) and put the PSC420 in the car to show the guys as they are always interested in what I have been doing. I gave them a demo and then went and selected the various bits of oak and ash that I needed for the next bit of work. I was just about to borrow one of their hand saws to cut some of the longer pieces into manageable lengths when I remembered the battery driven Carvex.

I now take back everything that I said about preferring a mains powered machine. I sliced through 45mm thick ash and 50mm thick oak like a hot knife through butter.

Peter

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Re: Festool Carvex PSC420 Review - Video
« Reply #67 on: November 08, 2012, 05:44 PM »
Sent Festool Belgium a mail last week about my problems with the PS400, they rang me today and after a short discussion we agreed on a swap. I went to the dealer and came out with a 420! Great service, as i told them several others here on the forum (they know the fog very well!) had sent theirs in up to 4 times to get the same result, and that i couldn't be without one.

Had a chance to use it today and there is no comparison, it just feels like a proper jigsaw, the manual adjustment is a step back but at least it works.
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